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Reply #90 posted 04/13/21 3:18am

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Well, Welcome 2 America is now number two on the Amazon pre-order chart, so I'd say the spot on 60 minutes worked exceedingly well...


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Reply #91 posted 04/13/21 4:12am

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How the hell did he flake on the password to his own vault?

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Reply #92 posted 04/13/21 6:11am

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herb4 said:

How the hell did he flake on the password to his own vault?

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.

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Reply #93 posted 04/13/21 6:28am

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Interesting with pristine quality snippet of the performance.
https://youtu.be/tLeoABd5FCo
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Reply #94 posted 04/13/21 7:17am

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If you can find the 60 Minutes 'Overtime' segments on YT, they are fun too.

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Reply #95 posted 04/13/21 8:02am

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Formulaic Prince music is better than none at all.Even so, I plan to listen to the entire album on Spotify before buying it.

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Reply #96 posted 04/13/21 8:29am

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Strive said:

herb4 said:

How the hell did he flake on the password to his own vault?

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


I believe it. And that's in addition to one of his last band members saying P had forgotten he could play the bass. If that's true it may have been past early onset. Then there's the alleged occurence where he was said to be paranoid over labels in his clothing, like they hadn't been there all along. That can also be a symptom of dementia.

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #97 posted 04/13/21 8:52am

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fortuneandserendipity said:

Strive said:

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


I believe it. And that's in addition to one of his last band members saying P had forgotten he could play the bass. If that's true it may have been past early onset. Then there's the alleged occurence where he was said to be paranoid over labels in his clothing, like they hadn't been there all along. That can also be a symptom of dementia.

Can you also cite your sources for all these things? Who said he forgot how to play bass?

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Reply #98 posted 04/13/21 9:05am

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Marco81 said:



fortuneandserendipity said:




Strive said:




Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.






I believe it. And that's in addition to one of his last band members saying P had forgotten he could play the bass. If that's true it may have been past early onset. Then there's the alleged occurence where he was said to be paranoid over labels in his clothing, like they hadn't been there all along. That can also be a symptom of dementia.



Can you also cite your sources for all these things? Who said he forgot how to play bass?



No it was Brownmark who said he visited Prince at Paisley and Prince asked him if he brought his guitar, and Mark said something like, “I don’t play guitar, I play bass,” and Prince said, “OK, well grab your bass then.” It gave Mark the impression that Prince didn’t remember he was a bass player.
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Reply #99 posted 04/13/21 10:04am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

Marco81 said:

Can you also cite your sources for all these things? Who said he forgot how to play bass?


No it was Brownmark who said he visited Prince at Paisley and Prince asked him if he brought his guitar, and Mark said something like, “I don’t play guitar, I play bass,” and Prince said, “OK, well grab your bass then.” It gave Mark the impression that Prince didn’t remember he was a bass player.



Going off what I remember reading a few years ago, maybe I was thinking of another situation regarding the bass. Oh well, here's the quote you're referring to.

On the last time he talked to Prince...


In August 2012, Prince paid for Brown to come back to Minnesota for a project featuring keyboardist Morris Hayes, drummer John Blackwell and Prince.

“He left me in a hotel room for three days and forgot that he’d called me to come out,” Brown recalled.

At the hotel, the bassist ran into Blackwell, who called Prince, who then invited Brown to Paisley Park to jam. “Prince looked at me and said, ‘Did you bring your guitar?’ I said, ‘Prince, I play bass.’ I thought that was so strange. I knew something was wrong. I couldn’t put my finger on it.


How can he have forgotten what instrument a former band member of his played with him, and this throughout his 80's golden age? August 2012?!! So if correct, it would suggest P's memory problems started way before 2015/16. Still it didn't impact on the music. His last album is right up there.

Maya Washington was the person referencing P's concern 'these new clothing labels mean someone could be spying'.

The hypocrisy of the far-left is something else.
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Reply #100 posted 04/13/21 10:14am

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Strive said:

herb4 said:

How the hell did he flake on the password to his own vault?

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


He forgot the password/combination YEARS ago though. That's when they started the "pre vault."

I can't remember half the phone numbers I've had over the years. But a couple weeks ago, someone asked randomly what the phone number was at my sorority house (where I resided for two school years almost 40 years ago) - and I popped it right out.

And for all we know, Prince may have been fucking with Mark - who seems to be an eminently fuckwithable person.

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Reply #101 posted 04/13/21 11:10am

Strive

Genesia said:

Strive said:

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


He forgot the password/combination YEARS ago though. That's when they started the "pre vault."

[..]

And for all we know, Prince may have been fucking with Mark - who seems to be an eminently fuckwithable person.


True. I was just thinking to how they had to remind him to eat & drink. Reminded me of my dad before he started to get real bad.

Moody, obsessing on the past, all black attire. It was out of character for him.

It's also such a Prince thing to ignore something like that happening while publically pressing against it. "I'm having trouble remember stuff? check out me playing three different setlists in three nights" "Think I'm forgetting guitar parts? check out this freeflowing solo Piano tour" "People talking about me overdosing? Come to my dance party and save your prayers for later"

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Reply #102 posted 04/13/21 12:04pm

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Genesia said:

Strive said:

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


He forgot the password/combination YEARS ago though. That's when they started the "pre vault."

I can't remember half the phone numbers I've had over the years. But a couple weeks ago, someone asked randomly what the phone number was at my sorority house (where I resided for two school years almost 40 years ago) - and I popped it right out.

And for all we know, Prince may have been fucking with Mark - who seems to be an eminently fuckwithable person.


also, a bass IS a kind of guitar, right? it's not like he said "Mark did you bring your bagpipes?"


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Reply #103 posted 04/13/21 12:15pm

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it's also simply a miracle that he managed to function as well as he did up until the end if he was indeed more and more dependent on pain medication.

he always slept very little from what reports we've had on that over the decades but there were
just so so many bottles of caffeine/energy drinks/shots in those police pictures.

seems like his meds interfered with his sleep cycle, for whatever cycle there was to speak of to
begin with and he was forcing himself to be more alert.

it could be as simple as that. drowsy from meds and lack of sleep and instead of sleeping more
(didn't he tell judith he was so tired and wanted to sleep more?) he probably couldn't stop what
he had been doing his whole life, just his life style, recording being busy etc and kept himself
awake too long too often.

reporst were that he hadn't slept for a few days just before april 21st.

getting too little sleep is extremely bad for the body and the brain. especially in america it seems
like boasting or being proud of needing little or no sleep is still some kind of badge of honor or a
sign that you are a hard working, money providing individual when it actually ages you so much
faster than you should age. it's as bad as smoking or drinking, probably a lot worse over time and
if it becomes a structural problem - which is was for prince.

he might have been one of the 3% of people who actually have a system that can do with only a
few hours of sleep a day but even those people suffer tremendously from that in the long run.

my stance on all of it is still that there was no sinister underlying issue. just pain med addiction,
which happens to so many people so quickly and so devastatingly. coupled with even less sleep
because of him not wanting to give in to it and keeping himself awake as much as he used to be
awake and work all night and perform all day. it broke him down and made his body weak, which
is basically what you see in the later pictures of the last few months. extreme lack of sleep.

i think that with help for the pain meds and a lot of time off to sleep and rest, he would still be
here with us.

If U're lookin 4 dirt look in Ur own back yard - Plant some Peace Flowers in Ur warzone so I can fire my bodyguards.
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Reply #104 posted 04/13/21 12:19pm

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one of the many interesting books on the topic of (lack of) sleep is Matthew Walkers' "Why We Sleep". i thought about prince constantly as i read it.

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Reply #105 posted 04/13/21 2:23pm

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On the prince health issue we will never now, but I think it was just something very simple. A break down of the body, he only knew the stage, he didn't know staying home and resting, I honestly think I'd prince were here during COVID-19 he'd probably kill himself at some point I can't picture the man in a mask talking about vaccines. I just think it all went down hill and was going downhill, life and the wear and tear caught up and a pill can make it doable for a few hours and then another and another. Once prince had an addiction I feel he thought life was over, he had done something he preached against, and now he fell for it.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #106 posted 04/13/21 2:42pm

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LILpoundCAKE said:

one of the many interesting books on the topic of (lack of) sleep is Matthew Walkers' "Why We Sleep". i thought about prince constantly as i read it.


He never gave himself time to rest or heal or recover from anything. People like that just don't live very long.

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Reply #107 posted 04/13/21 2:50pm

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Strive said:

herb4 said:

How the hell did he flake on the password to his own vault?

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


Not gonna lie, my very first thought was that opiates can super fuck with your memory, but I didn't want to stir up any crap. Still though...the password to his vault seems like something that would be burned into his brain.

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Reply #108 posted 04/13/21 3:15pm

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LILpoundCAKE said:

Genesia said:


He forgot the password/combination YEARS ago though. That's when they started the "pre vault."

I can't remember half the phone numbers I've had over the years. But a couple weeks ago, someone asked randomly what the phone number was at my sorority house (where I resided for two school years almost 40 years ago) - and I popped it right out.

And for all we know, Prince may have been fucking with Mark - who seems to be an eminently fuckwithable person.


also, a bass IS a kind of guitar, right? it's not like he said "Mark did you bring your bagpipes?"


Thanks for the laugh, lol

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Reply #109 posted 04/13/21 3:17pm

LILpoundCAKE

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herb4 said:

Strive said:

Anna Fantastic said that the health issue Prince was dealing with was some type of early onset dementia...which makes alot of sense when you start putting all the warning signs together. Musical ability is like the last thing to go and people dealing with that tend to focus on the past more and more as the sickness progresses.


Not gonna lie, my very first thought was that opiates can super fuck with your memory, but I didn't want to stir up any crap. Still though...the password to his vault seems like something that would be burned into his brain.


wasn't the password to the vault at one point mayte's measurements?

he probably applied that trick with other women too, just like he told half a dozen women he wrote
the same exact song specifically for them.

so he probably just forgot someone's measurements lol i can see that happening.

i can also see prince not caring enough about getting into the vault to have a company drill into it.

he just said 'fuck it, i'll record new stuff'

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Reply #110 posted 04/13/21 4:05pm

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LILpoundCAKE said:

herb4 said:


Not gonna lie, my very first thought was that opiates can super fuck with your memory, but I didn't want to stir up any crap. Still though...the password to his vault seems like something that would be burned into his brain.


wasn't the password to the vault at one point mayte's measurements?


^^^Hell if I know but that's hilarious^^^

...

Totally agree with the people saying some of that listening "party", fake vibing and the interviewer pretending to give a shit was pretty awkward and rather funny. NOBODY enjoys ANYONE doing a "shut up and listen to THIS" thing -- in everyday life and probably most certainly not on camera where you're almost expected to appear to be enjoying whatever it is and act accordingly

In my experience, the only time it works is with comedy records where you have to be quiet to hear the jokes and the responses and laughter are genuine.

Still cool to see Prince back in the limelight though and it sounds like the album might have some decent stuff on it.

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Reply #111 posted 04/13/21 4:25pm

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Hayes - I know this isnt too great but ok I'm going to pretend like I think it is

Interviewer - ok I know this is pretty bad but I'm meant to say it's great so I'm going to pretend like it is

People at home - oh wow, prince was great, let me order this
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Reply #112 posted 04/13/21 7:34pm

Margot

LILpoundCAKE said:

it's also simply a miracle that he managed to function as well as he did up until the end if he was indeed more and more dependent on pain medication.

he always slept very little from what reports we've had on that over the decades but there were
just so so many bottles of caffeine/energy drinks/shots in those police pictures.

seems like his meds interfered with his sleep cycle, for whatever cycle there was to speak of to
begin with and he was forcing himself to be more alert.

it could be as simple as that. drowsy from meds and lack of sleep and instead of sleeping more
(didn't he tell judith he was so tired and wanted to sleep more?) he probably couldn't stop what
he had been doing his whole life, just his life style, recording being busy etc and kept himself
awake too long too often.

reporst were that he hadn't slept for a few days just before april 21st.

getting too little sleep is extremely bad for the body and the brain. especially in america it seems
like boasting or being proud of needing little or no sleep is still some kind of badge of honor or a
sign that you are a hard working, money providing individual when it actually ages you so much
faster than you should age. it's as bad as smoking or drinking, probably a lot worse over time and
if it becomes a structural problem - which is was for prince.

he might have been one of the 3% of people who actually have a system that can do with only a
few hours of sleep a day but even those people suffer tremendously from that in the long run.

my stance on all of it is still that there was no sinister underlying issue. just pain med addiction,
which happens to so many people so quickly and so devastatingly. coupled with even less sleep
because of him not wanting to give in to it and keeping himself awake as much as he used to be
awake and work all night and perform all day. it broke him down and made his body weak, which
is basically what you see in the later pictures of the last few months. extreme lack of sleep.

i think that with help for the pain meds and a lot of time off to sleep and rest, he would still be
here with us.

One of the side effects of regular opiate use is insomnia.

I think his inability to sleep over the years can be traced to that.

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Reply #113 posted 04/13/21 8:48pm

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ForceofNature said:

sro100 said:

Just watched it. Not too impressed. Da album cood still be hot, but the 60 minutes show was not. Did they ever try to put Prince on when he was alive? I don't think so.

I mean, what changes would you have made to the segment to enhance it if I may ask? I thought it was fine personally, it highlighted the context behind the album, who is on it, and why it didn't come out at the time of recording while highlighting Prince's work ethic.

[Edited 4/12/21 19:46pm]

It was just stale. Basically a super-hype promo for the super-relevant Prince abit that no one would have cared about in the day.

Anyone who really know anything about Prince for real would know he's been rambling that Prince-speak slave-order-conspiracy things for years. There's probably a reason he didn't want to release it.

But maybe to the woke 60 MInutes folk they be selling it to, it's all fresh and like Prince is talking about today...right now.

Fewer lies and less hype I would've prefered.

More of Prince himself.

And most importantly the show paid him NO respect while he was alive.

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Reply #114 posted 04/13/21 9:00pm

RighteousOne

60 mins always been a mediocre news magazine show; where you have to be 110 years old, and have no prior knowlwdge of a subject, to host a segment on it. I knew this was doozy when it appeared they couldn't even go near the vault; despite framing a story around it. I mean, I could have done that from my living room. Also, who would believe, no less report, that Prince hadn't stepped inside his vault for years becasue he, the sole posessor, forgot the password!? Amateurs.

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Reply #115 posted 04/14/21 12:38am

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herb4 said:

Totally agree with the people saying some of that listening "party", fake vibing and the interviewer pretending to give a shit was pretty awkward and rather funny. NOBODY enjoys ANYONE doing a "shut up and listen to THIS" thing -- in everyday life and probably most certainly not on camera where you're almost expected to appear to be enjoying whatever it is and act accordingly

In my experience, the only time it works is with comedy records where you have to be quiet to hear the jokes and the responses and laughter are genuine.

Still cool to see Prince back in the limelight though and it sounds like the album might have some decent stuff on it.


I agree too, but those things are generally less cringey for average non-fans (who wouldn't expect to hear anything particular from 2011 Prince, other than him sounding vaguely Prince-y) than for fans who are looking for any scrap of evidence that whatever's coming down the line is gonna blow their minds.

And I admit to being charmed by Ms. Lovesex-That's-My-Jam's reaction the first time we all heard "Revelation," and the sax kicked in. She basically turned into a puddle on camera.

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Reply #116 posted 04/14/21 4:47am

Milty2

RighteousOne said:

60 mins always been a mediocre news magazine show; where you have to be 110 years old, and have no prior knowlwdge of a subject, to host a segment on it. I knew this was doozy when it appeared they couldn't even go near the vault; despite framing a story around it. I mean, I could have done that from my living room. Also, who would believe, no less report, that Prince hadn't stepped inside his vault for years becasue he, the sole posessor, forgot the password!? Amateurs.


Now THAT is the 2nd most hysterical thing I've read on the Org this week. I'd hate to see what news shows you really watch lol.

[Edited 4/14/21 5:09am]

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Reply #117 posted 04/14/21 5:52am

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I'm not familiar with 60MINUTES...

Is it all about just these 13:33 minutes part ?

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"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #118 posted 04/14/21 6:14am

OperatingTheta
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RighteousOne said:

60 mins always been a mediocre news magazine show; where you have to be 110 years old, and have no prior knowlwdge of a subject, to host a segment on it. I knew this was doozy when it appeared they couldn't even go near the vault; despite framing a story around it. I mean, I could have done that from my living room. Also, who would believe, no less report, that Prince hadn't stepped inside his vault for years becasue he, the sole posessor, forgot the password!? Amateurs.



Yet the 60 minutes segment has already been successful commercially. Preorders of Welcome 2 America have boosted the album to number 2 on the Amazon chart. Even the premium deluxe edition made the top 5. The sales increase has then been reported by other media outlets, further increasing visibility.

Irrespective of what we as fans thought of the segment, it's already been very effective for the Estate from a sales perspective. If this allows for more recent Prince vault releases that are not exclusively focused on the 80s and nostalgia, then I'm fine with it. It's beneficial for Prince's legacy and body of work as a whole.
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Reply #119 posted 04/14/21 6:54am

Empress

Milty2 said:

RighteousOne said:

60 mins always been a mediocre news magazine show; where you have to be 110 years old, and have no prior knowlwdge of a subject, to host a segment on it. I knew this was doozy when it appeared they couldn't even go near the vault; despite framing a story around it. I mean, I could have done that from my living room. Also, who would believe, no less report, that Prince hadn't stepped inside his vault for years becasue he, the sole posessor, forgot the password!? Amateurs.


Now THAT is the 2nd most hysterical thing I've read on the Org this week. I'd hate to see what news shows you really watch lol.

[Edited 4/14/21 5:09am]

I was thinking the same thing. I must be 110 as well. razz

This site is full of know it alls - neutral

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