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Reply #60 posted 04/12/21 9:29am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Se7en said:



bluegangsta said:


Also this was in the intro - "It was 2010 and Prince set out on his Welcome 2 America Tour, playing sold-out venues. He divered a mix of hits and pop anthems drawn from his 39 studio albums..."

Clearly someone just wnt to wikipedia, looked at the talley and did not bother to subtract the last four albums... Or acknowledge the protege content... Or the covers...




The articles also keep referencing "The Vault" that is stored at Paisley Park, not mentioned that it was moved to Iron Mountain for safekeeping/digitizing.

The interviewer mentioned that we could get a new Prince album a year for the next century. I highly doubt Prince shelved 2-3x what he actually released. Once you dismiss alternate versions, etc. that number would go down considerably.




I am sure they mentioned iron mountain...
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Reply #61 posted 04/12/21 9:30am

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Se7en said:

The articles also keep referencing "The Vault" that is stored at Paisley Park, not mentioned that it was moved to Iron Mountain for safekeeping/digitizing.

The interviewer mentioned that we could get a new Prince album a year for the next century. I highly doubt Prince shelved 2-3x what he actually released. Once you dismiss alternate versions, etc. that number would go down considerably.


They literally state that the estate had the contents of the vault moved to Iron Mountain, to be digitized, while showing an image of the Iron Mountain headquarters. Not sure what news story you were watching?

Besides, "The Vault" has basically become a metonym for Prince's unreleased output, anyway. (As it always has been.)

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Reply #62 posted 04/12/21 9:35am

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Number23 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, that was some grade-A BS. That would mean he'd recorded an average of 200+ unreleased songs per year on top of his released output. Yeah, that didn't happen. Hell, almost all of his songs on GB were recycled tracks from earlier years: that's not something he'd need to do if he was recording hundreds of songs each year.

Agreed there’s certainly not 8000 songs in the Vault, but in regards to GB I clearly recall reading an interview with Prince in the 90s where he said that particular project was an experiment to see if he could update ‘old’ music with a new sound and that the songs were quite deliberately plucked from the Vault, most from a particular era where the Time/P rivalry was still an active thing - clearly it was all linked in his head. He also mentioned that the end of a decade seemed appropriate for a ‘cleaning up’ exercise. And come on, you know as well as the rest of us here how many songs P recorded in 88/89 that could have filled a triple of album of top notch new material in 1990. It was clearly a conscious artistic decision not to do so - fuck all to do with faith in new material etc. One thing Prince didn’t lack in the 80s was belief in his artistry.

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Didn't he also mentioned in that time span, that he was going to retire from recording ?

I even believe he said it a few times even (It's all so long ago).

Come to think of it, whatever he said back the, had some truth in it.

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Reply #63 posted 04/12/21 9:57am

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This is CBS, not Uptown mag. Calm down.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #64 posted 04/12/21 9:58am

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U do a half an hour on Vault tunes and you get audience to click.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #65 posted 04/12/21 10:34am

lastdecember

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RighteousOne said:

Vannormal said:

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A meager interview (both) tbh.

Thanks anyway.

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My Guess ?

It might be the only release (and the RSD 'The Truth' one) we'll see this year... from what the interviewer made clear. Hope he and I are wrong.

And no word on the D&P SDE, after asking what's in the running after this one in 2021.

He clearly said one release a year.

Hope i'm wrong, hope it's all wrong.

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They (The Estate and all involved) sure must be well aware that it's really impossible to release most of the (unreleased) vault stuff at a current speed, right?

So basically this is absolutely not profitable at all I think. (Tell me if i'm wrong)

Considdering that, could it be they are preparing something bigger for those who are ready to pay for downloads?

Don't call me stupid (you may call me badly informed - I have a life besides Prince)...

...but, why sitting on tons of unheard stuff and not doing much with it ?

Also, a hudge deal of it is digital, am I right ?

The analog stuff (I'm aware of the bad shape most was in) should've been prepared and ready by now, certainly after +5 years.

There's a team working on that. And I hope it's not two or only three people.

Since five years, and probably till next year as well nothing else but just one release a year ?

I'm not talking about re-issues here. (But they are welcome too.)

I know they're not sitting on a huge $$ mountian worth of pure and endless gold.

But still.. compare it with Elvis Presley fans, there are not that many left anymore.

They/we get older. And new fans are certainly rare.

And Prince is not like The Beatles or Bowie...

If you get what i mean. Or do I see this wrong ?

Sure I'm aware of a lot of complications concerning rights and legal stuff and siblings and all.

It all just seems so unnecessary absurd and unclear. No transparancy whatsoever.

Why keeping mentioning in interviews there are tons and tons of unreleased music plus all the lame boring tired same old mysteries around it, constantly.

It all is so tiresome after all these decades, years.

Still.

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Agreed. At some point, multi disc packages will become unsustainable. Physical media is practically dead; and it is dead if you’re under 30. Let’s get going on an online subscription site. Release something new every month. The estate could be doing that for the next few years and everybody wins. All this tease and mystery around every release was tiresome when prince was doing it; it’s fricking maddening now that it’s coming from a committee.


vinyl is actually the only thing rising in sales, I think that will stay, you will most likely see cd disappear, but doing reissues but dumping them online is nonsense, those Jackson's reissues went nowhere, there is absolutely no way to market and push an invisible product. Also the believe it or not it's the sales that are keeping the industry afloat at this point since touring is not happening well into next year, album sales, even full digital sales are keeping things going, streaming really may be the way, but if you are an artist that wants to survive, you better find something physical to sell or you won't be here long.


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Reply #66 posted 04/12/21 11:21am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Se7en said:


The articles also keep referencing "The Vault" that is stored at Paisley Park, not mentioned that it was moved to Iron Mountain for safekeeping/digitizing.

The interviewer mentioned that we could get a new Prince album a year for the next century. I highly doubt Prince shelved 2-3x what he actually released. Once you dismiss alternate versions, etc. that number would go down considerably.

I am sure they mentioned iron mountain...


Yes, they absolutely talked about Iron Mountain - along with the fact that Prince had forgotten the combination to the vault at one point. doh!

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Reply #67 posted 04/12/21 11:24am

Genesia

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RighteousOne said:

Vannormal said:

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A meager interview (both) tbh.

Thanks anyway.

-

My Guess ?

It might be the only release (and the RSD 'The Truth' one) we'll see this year... from what the interviewer made clear. Hope he and I are wrong.

And no word on the D&P SDE, after asking what's in the running after this one in 2021.

He clearly said one release a year.

Hope i'm wrong, hope it's all wrong.

-

They (The Estate and all involved) sure must be well aware that it's really impossible to release most of the (unreleased) vault stuff at a current speed, right?

So basically this is absolutely not profitable at all I think. (Tell me if i'm wrong)

Considdering that, could it be they are preparing something bigger for those who are ready to pay for downloads?

Don't call me stupid (you may call me badly informed - I have a life besides Prince)...

...but, why sitting on tons of unheard stuff and not doing much with it ?

Also, a hudge deal of it is digital, am I right ?

The analog stuff (I'm aware of the bad shape most was in) should've been prepared and ready by now, certainly after +5 years.

There's a team working on that. And I hope it's not two or only three people.

Since five years, and probably till next year as well nothing else but just one release a year ?

I'm not talking about re-issues here. (But they are welcome too.)

I know they're not sitting on a huge $$ mountian worth of pure and endless gold.

But still.. compare it with Elvis Presley fans, there are not that many left anymore.

They/we get older. And new fans are certainly rare.

And Prince is not like The Beatles or Bowie...

If you get what i mean. Or do I see this wrong ?

Sure I'm aware of a lot of complications concerning rights and legal stuff and siblings and all.

It all just seems so unnecessary absurd and unclear. No transparancy whatsoever.

Why keeping mentioning in interviews there are tons and tons of unreleased music plus all the lame boring tired same old mysteries around it, constantly.

It all is so tiresome after all these decades, years.

Still.

-

Agreed. At some point, multi disc packages will become unsustainable. Physical media is practically dead; and it is dead if you’re under 30. Let’s get going on an online subscription site. Release something new every month. The estate could be doing that for the next few years and everybody wins. All this tease and mystery around every release was tiresome when prince was doing it; it’s fricking maddening now that it’s coming from a committee.


falloff @ thinking these releases are aimed at the under 30s.

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Reply #68 posted 04/12/21 1:17pm

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700-800 songs in the vault in 1985 according to an authoritative source.

2000 songs in the vault before the 80s are out according to another authoritative source.

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Reply #69 posted 04/12/21 1:20pm

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fortuneandserendipity said:

700-800 songs in the vault in 1985 according to an authoritative source.

2000 songs in the vault before the 80s are out according to another authoritative source.

what does song mean. i just can't believe it unless we're counting every single sketch he may have played around with. finished tracks? i don't buy it.

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Reply #70 posted 04/12/21 1:29pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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lustmealways said:



fortuneandserendipity said:


700-800 songs in the vault in 1985 according to an authoritative source.

2000 songs in the vault before the 80s are out according to another authoritative source.



what does song mean. i just can't believe it unless we're counting every single sketch he may have played around with. finished tracks? i don't buy it.



Certainly not finished unique songs...maybe counting all the live recordings and rehearsals and jams and the like...
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Reply #71 posted 04/12/21 1:42pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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fortuneandserendipity said:

700-800 songs in the vault in 1985 according to an authoritative source.

2000 songs in the vault before the 80s are out according to another authoritative source.




He did an interview with Mojo? June 8 1986 (the morning after the birthday show) and he gave a number of songs in the vault and it was like 320? Or something...the audio should be easy this find...of course even if that wass true at least 50 of those have since been released.
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Reply #72 posted 04/12/21 1:43pm

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lustmealways said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

700-800 songs in the vault in 1985 according to an authoritative source.

2000 songs in the vault before the 80s are out according to another authoritative source.

what does song mean. i just can't believe it unless we're counting every single sketch he may have played around with. finished tracks? i don't buy it.


It means not necessarily mixed, engineered to completion. But bearing in mind P sometimes overproduced, that's probably no bad thing. I don't understand why so many people take issue with idea P wasn't prolific. The guy just had to close his eyes and relax and he would hear music. Added to that, he could hear all the tracks in his head and then just put them down on the tape, starting with the bass or drums! In the classical period, Mozart wrote over 200 hours of music, Schubert I think around 150 hours. Neither got anywhere near P's age. By the way, it's easier to record an acoustic song, or any fuckin song for that matter, if you don't lay down too many tracks, than it is to commit Musical Notes to manuscript. Just ponder that for a second, or maybe a day. However long, and then get back to me.

Oh and there's this guy...

Most prolific present day songwriter...

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Reply #73 posted 04/12/21 2:17pm

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8,000 songs sounds like a crazy number, but it's not unfeasable. If he hit his song-a-day goal for just 30 out of his 37 year professional recording career, that's 10,950 songs. That would exclude an entire 7 years of professional recording. We can presume there were days when he didn't record a song, but we also know for a fact that there were days when multiple songs were recorded. The longer he recorded, the more efficient he became. I'm not saying all 8,000 songs would sound like completely different and unique creations, but the number isn't so hard to believe considering Prince's obsession with creating music.

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #74 posted 04/12/21 2:21pm

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Did Mr. Hayes really pull a FAKE-ASS-FUNKY-FACE???

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Reply #75 posted 04/12/21 2:35pm

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At the end of the day I don't think we will know how many songs he had, I do think what he said about not finishing songs is true, I have a feeling there are quite a bit incomplete things for sure and just as many finished ones. I think there's a ton of stuff with protégés and I have no clue if any of that will ever come out, I mean we can't even get digital releases for vanity or Jill or Apollonia so I don't put too much hope in that.


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Reply #76 posted 04/12/21 4:20pm

Margot

Shelby J did a great job...good eye contact and very poised.

I think Morris H was a bit out of his depth.

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Reply #77 posted 04/12/21 4:36pm

Phase3

Sounds like Prince loved music more than women.I know he was ladies man and all but wow
8,000 songs???? I wouldn't doubt it.After all he did have his own studio he could record anytime he wanted.
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Reply #78 posted 04/12/21 4:39pm

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Margot said:

Shelby J did a great job...good eye contact and very poised.

I think Morris H was a bit out of his depth.


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Reply #79 posted 04/12/21 4:52pm

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I'm not surprised about 8000 songs. Prince recorded around 200 songs with 3rdEyeGirl so he was always making new music.
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Reply #80 posted 04/12/21 6:46pm

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Se7en said:

bluegangsta said:

Also this was in the intro - "It was 2010 and Prince set out on his Welcome 2 America Tour, playing sold-out venues. He divered a mix of hits and pop anthems drawn from his 39 studio albums..."

Clearly someone just wnt to wikipedia, looked at the talley and did not bother to subtract the last four albums... Or acknowledge the protege content... Or the covers...


The articles also keep referencing "The Vault" that is stored at Paisley Park, not mentioned that it was moved to Iron Mountain for safekeeping/digitizing.

The interviewer mentioned that we could get a new Prince album a year for the next century. I highly doubt Prince shelved 2-3x what he actually released. Once you dismiss alternate versions, etc. that number would go down considerably.

They mentioned Iron Mountain, and even showed pics of Iron Mountain.

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Reply #81 posted 04/12/21 6:56pm

rap

Only Michael Howe et al. know. Anything else is just speculation.

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Reply #82 posted 04/12/21 7:18pm

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https://youtu.be/7DO0VPhnf2U

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Reply #83 posted 04/12/21 7:43pm

ForceofNature

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Just watched it. Not too impressed. Da album cood still be hot, but the 60 minutes show was not. Did they ever try to put Prince on when he was alive? I don't think so.

I mean, what changes would you have made to the segment to enhance it if I may ask? I thought it was fine personally, it highlighted the context behind the album, who is on it, and why it didn't come out at the time of recording while highlighting Prince's work ethic.

[Edited 4/12/21 19:46pm]

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Reply #84 posted 04/12/21 8:39pm

laytonian

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Margot said:

Was it '60 minutes' who interviewed Kirk? (where he said all that he knew would remain in his 'vault')

A flower by any other name

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/prince-confidant-drummer-kirk-johnson-paisley-park-tour-legacy/

Not a flower and no accusation as you state.
Since the autopsy won't be released until April 21, 2046 due to Minnesota law, should KJ talk?

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Reply #85 posted 04/12/21 11:23pm

RighteousOne

Genesia said:



RighteousOne said:


Vannormal said:


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A meager interview (both) tbh.


Thanks anyway.


-


My Guess ?


It might be the only release (and the RSD 'The Truth' one) we'll see this year... from what the interviewer made clear. Hope he and I are wrong.


And no word on the D&P SDE, after asking what's in the running after this one in 2021.


He clearly said one release a year.


Hope i'm wrong, hope it's all wrong.


-


They (The Estate and all involved) sure must be well aware that it's really impossible to release most of the (unreleased) vault stuff at a current speed, right?


So basically this is absolutely not profitable at all I think. (Tell me if i'm wrong)


Considdering that, could it be they are preparing something bigger for those who are ready to pay for downloads?


Don't call me stupid (you may call me badly informed - I have a life besides Prince)...


...but, why sitting on tons of unheard stuff and not doing much with it ?


Also, a hudge deal of it is digital, am I right ?


The analog stuff (I'm aware of the bad shape most was in) should've been prepared and ready by now, certainly after +5 years.


There's a team working on that. And I hope it's not two or only three people.


Since five years, and probably till next year as well nothing else but just one release a year ?


I'm not talking about re-issues here. (But they are welcome too.)


I know they're not sitting on a huge $$ mountian worth of pure and endless gold.


But still.. compare it with Elvis Presley fans, there are not that many left anymore.


They/we get older. And new fans are certainly rare.


And Prince is not like The Beatles or Bowie...


If you get what i mean. Or do I see this wrong ?


Sure I'm aware of a lot of complications concerning rights and legal stuff and siblings and all.


It all just seems so unnecessary absurd and unclear. No transparancy whatsoever.


Why keeping mentioning in interviews there are tons and tons of unreleased music plus all the lame boring tired same old mysteries around it, constantly.


It all is so tiresome after all these decades, years.


Still.


-



Agreed. At some point, multi disc packages will become unsustainable. Physical media is practically dead; and it is dead if you’re under 30. Let’s get going on an online subscription site. Release something new every month. The estate could be doing that for the next few years and everybody wins. All this tease and mystery around every release was tiresome when prince was doing it; it’s fricking maddening now that it’s coming from a committee.


falloff @ thinking these releases are aimed at the under 30s.


You have no idea who they’re aimed at.
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Reply #86 posted 04/12/21 11:27pm

RighteousOne

lastdecember said:



RighteousOne said:


Vannormal said:


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A meager interview (both) tbh.


Thanks anyway.


-


My Guess ?


It might be the only release (and the RSD 'The Truth' one) we'll see this year... from what the interviewer made clear. Hope he and I are wrong.


And no word on the D&P SDE, after asking what's in the running after this one in 2021.


He clearly said one release a year.


Hope i'm wrong, hope it's all wrong.


-


They (The Estate and all involved) sure must be well aware that it's really impossible to release most of the (unreleased) vault stuff at a current speed, right?


So basically this is absolutely not profitable at all I think. (Tell me if i'm wrong)


Considdering that, could it be they are preparing something bigger for those who are ready to pay for downloads?


Don't call me stupid (you may call me badly informed - I have a life besides Prince)...


...but, why sitting on tons of unheard stuff and not doing much with it ?


Also, a hudge deal of it is digital, am I right ?


The analog stuff (I'm aware of the bad shape most was in) should've been prepared and ready by now, certainly after +5 years.


There's a team working on that. And I hope it's not two or only three people.


Since five years, and probably till next year as well nothing else but just one release a year ?


I'm not talking about re-issues here. (But they are welcome too.)


I know they're not sitting on a huge $$ mountian worth of pure and endless gold.


But still.. compare it with Elvis Presley fans, there are not that many left anymore.


They/we get older. And new fans are certainly rare.


And Prince is not like The Beatles or Bowie...


If you get what i mean. Or do I see this wrong ?


Sure I'm aware of a lot of complications concerning rights and legal stuff and siblings and all.


It all just seems so unnecessary absurd and unclear. No transparancy whatsoever.


Why keeping mentioning in interviews there are tons and tons of unreleased music plus all the lame boring tired same old mysteries around it, constantly.


It all is so tiresome after all these decades, years.


Still.


-



Agreed. At some point, multi disc packages will become unsustainable. Physical media is practically dead; and it is dead if you’re under 30. Let’s get going on an online subscription site. Release something new every month. The estate could be doing that for the next few years and everybody wins. All this tease and mystery around every release was tiresome when prince was doing it; it’s fricking maddening now that it’s coming from a committee.


vinyl is actually the only thing rising in sales, I think that will stay, you will most likely see cd disappear, but doing reissues but dumping them online is nonsense, those Jackson's reissues went nowhere, there is absolutely no way to market and push an invisible product. Also the believe it or not it's the sales that are keeping the industry afloat at this point since touring is not happening well into next year, album sales, even full digital sales are keeping things going, streaming really may be the way, but if you are an artist that wants to survive, you better find something physical to sell or you won't be here long.

You go spend $100+ for 4/5 CD’s. Not me. I’d rather the Estate follow Springsteen’s online model. Works well enough for him and his fans. They’re more than happy. We’re not. End of argument.
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Reply #87 posted 04/12/21 11:28pm

RighteousOne

Margot said:

Shelby J did a great job...good eye contact and very poised.


I think Morris H was a bit out of his depth.


Out of his depth? Jesus.
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Reply #88 posted 04/12/21 11:55pm

ForceofNature

Margot said:

Shelby J did a great job...good eye contact and very poised.

I think Morris H was a bit out of his depth.

Out of his depth, how so if I may ask?

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Reply #89 posted 04/13/21 2:20am

Rimshottbob

RODSERLING said:

Such a bad timing, 3 months and a half before the release... No one in the audience who saw that show, will remember it when W2A will be released. Especially without music video. The estate didn't even care to edit an archive video or even a lyric video. eek

You've COMPLETELY missed the point.

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