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Thread started 01/11/21 11:33am

Cinny

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When people say they don't like P's 1990's albums

Look, I never go back and listen to Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, or prince.


But orgers still jump down my throat when I say that. hmmm


I simply prefer his output for the remainder of the decade: Come, The Black Album (don't care about the technicality since this one is always skipped over in 80s discussion), The Gold Experience, Girl 6, EMANCIPATION (!!!), Crystal Ball.

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Reply #1 posted 01/11/21 11:45am

TrivialPursuit

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Cinny said:

Look, I never go back and listen to Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, or prince.

But orgers still jump down my throat when I say that. hmmm

I simply prefer his output for the remainder of the decade: Come, The Black Album (don't care about the technicality since this one is always skipped over in 80s discussion), The Gold Experience, Girl 6, EMANCIPATION (!!!), Crystal Ball.


I do think his 90s material was just as stellar. The mid 90s seem to mirror the mid 80s. Lotta side projects, stellar albums in between. The Gold Experience is akin to Purple Rain, even.

GB feels transitional (changing band members through those years of albums you mentioned), and it's bloated w/ the associated artists. D&P and prince changed for me once I removed Tony M. from the songs. I always liked prince, but his voice killed some better moments on it, and dragged it down in others. I'm more likely to listen to them now, edited, than in the beginning.

I do believe that mid-90s stuff is just amazing. Come, The Gold Experience, Exodus, Chaos & Disorder, the new songs on Girl 6. It's just incredible.

So you're definitely not wrong on gravitating toward that stuff.

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Reply #2 posted 01/11/21 11:48am

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they have no clue, sorry haters. he was as good as he ever was then.

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Reply #3 posted 01/11/21 12:21pm

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I think if you skip over the 90's, you skip over a LOT of stellar material. Not just "good", but "great".


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Reply #4 posted 01/11/21 12:26pm

Cinny

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TrivialPursuit said:

Cinny said:

Look, I never go back and listen to Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, or prince.

But orgers still jump down my throat when I say that. hmmm

I simply prefer his output for the remainder of the decade: Come, The Black Album (don't care about the technicality since this one is always skipped over in 80s discussion), The Gold Experience, Girl 6, EMANCIPATION (!!!), Crystal Ball.


I do think his 90s material was just as stellar. The mid 90s seem to mirror the mid 80s. Lotta side projects, stellar albums in between. The Gold Experience is akin to Purple Rain, even.

GB feels transitional (changing band members through those years of albums you mentioned), and it's bloated w/ the associated artists. D&P and prince changed for me once I removed Tony M. from the songs. I always liked prince, but his voice killed some better moments on it, and dragged it down in others. I'm more likely to listen to them now, edited, than in the beginning.

I do believe that mid-90s stuff is just amazing. Come, The Gold Experience, Exodus, Chaos & Disorder, the new songs on Girl 6. It's just incredible.

So you're definitely not wrong on gravitating toward that stuff.


Agree with all the above!

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Reply #5 posted 01/11/21 12:27pm

Cinny

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Se7en said:

I think if you skip over the 90's, you skip over a LOT of stellar material. Not just "good", but "great".


Totally.

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Reply #6 posted 01/11/21 12:42pm

JayCrawford

Oh damn really? That's weird. You probably know how I feel about Prince and his shitty 90s era but if you prefer that era to his 80s then I don't see the problem.
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Reply #7 posted 01/11/21 12:55pm

RODSERLING

Who cares what do you like or not, anyway?!
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Reply #8 posted 01/11/21 1:04pm

skywalker

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Here's something to consider:

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The CD as a format vastly changed how the scope/tone of Prince's music more so than incorporating new styles, production techniques, songwriting, band members, etc.

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Think about it: The average length of a Prince album in the 80's was, what, 40-50 minutes? Any longer (as with 1999 and SOTT) and we got a double album. Once the CD became the go to format, Prince was able to load up the songs. Ergo, instead of a SOLID album of back to back gems, you had songs that would have been previously relegated to B-Side status, or perhaps given to other artists, or even left in the vault altogether. Some call it "filler"*.

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Suddenly, the flow of a Prince album was different. You didn't have 2 sides, nor 4 sides. You had one continuous playlist. It just felt/played different.

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I will argue to my dying day that Prince's songwriting/musical ability didn't falter in the 90's or beyond. Some of his greatest songs come from that decade and afterwards.

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However, with the advent/popularity of the CD as a format, Prince no longer had to be a deft and concise with his decisions in terms of what to put on the album and what to leave off. So he didn't. Ergo, songs that would have been casually bemused upon as a b-side were now harshly criticized as being on an actual album.

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*I don't believe in the term filler when it comes to Prince, nor Prince fans. I find that each of us have hypothetical alternate tracklists of albums like SOTT and Emancipation that are equally fascinating and bewildering.

[Edited 1/11/21 13:06pm]

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Reply #9 posted 01/11/21 1:32pm

RJOrion

his 90s music was no better or worse than his 80s music... it just sounded different and it was marketed different... times changed.. music changed...trends changed...people changed... Prince stayed great
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Reply #10 posted 01/11/21 2:30pm

Wolfie87

A year ago, I listened to Graffiti Bridge without really knowing the track listing. Amazing flow into each songs up until, what, song number 7 or 8 maybe? Then it just get boring.

2 months ago i watched GB with the Prince Podcast commentary. And rarely have I been so ashamed and appalled by a movie. By far one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And that's puting in the fact that it must've cost an fortune to make. Everything is fake looking, plastic and unbelievable 90's cheese.
However, almost everything unreleased 1989-1991 are my favorite tracks from Prince.

And Love 2 The 9's is my 3rd favorite Prince track of all time. I love Prince's 90's catalogue. But GB is something a rarely go back to at all.
[Edited 1/11/21 14:31pm]
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Reply #11 posted 01/11/21 3:05pm

Dalia11

Those people did not listen to all his 1990 Albums probably!
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Reply #12 posted 01/11/21 3:10pm

Dalia11

There are 10 Albums from 1990 that I have to purchase. He composed 16 Albums in the 90s.
[Edited 1/11/21 16:19pm]
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Reply #13 posted 01/11/21 3:29pm

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It's according to where you say it. On facebook, in person, at work, at the grocery store, or anywhere like that is fine. Not over here though where someone in charge of the deluxe editions may be lurking to get ideas for the next deluxe edition. A year is a long time to wait for another project, especially when you're not getting any younger, and I don't want a year wasted on no 90s stuff.....at least until all the 80s and 70s stuff is released anyway. lol

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Reply #14 posted 01/11/21 3:31pm

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Wolfie87 said:

A year ago, I listened to Graffiti Bridge without really knowing the track listing. Amazing flow into each songs up until, what, song number 7 or 8 maybe? Then it just get boring. 2 months ago i watched GB with the Prince Podcast commentary. And rarely have I been so ashamed and appalled by a movie. By far one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And that's puting in the fact that it must've cost an fortune to make. Everything is fake looking, plastic and unbelievable 90's cheese. However, almost everything unreleased 1989-1991 are my favorite tracks from Prince. And Love 2 The 9's is my 3rd favorite Prince track of all time. I love Prince's 90's catalogue. But GB is something a rarely go back to at all. [Edited 1/11/21 14:31pm]

spit falloff We are famous for fighting like hell over here but most of seem to come together and agree on this.

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Reply #15 posted 01/11/21 3:36pm

Number23

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It's according to where you say it. On facebook, in person, at work, at the grocery store, or anywhere like that is fine. Not over here though where someone in charge of the deluxe editions may be lurking to get ideas for the next deluxe edition. A year is a long time to wait for another project, especially when you're not getting any younger, and I don't want a year wasted on no 90s stuff.....at least until all the 80s and 70s stuff is released anyway. lol


Bollocks, you’ll be shaking your urine soaked arsecheeks in your wheelchair in the old folks home to the Prince vocal of Release It when it’s released just like the rest of us lol
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Reply #16 posted 01/11/21 3:39pm

Dalia11

I am a fan of the "Graffiti Bridge" movie! The Music Movie Soundtrack is my favorite part of the movie! Morris Day's character(again is in conflict with Prince).
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Reply #17 posted 01/11/21 3:42pm

Dalia11

And Prince's True Fans would purchase deluxe albums from 1977 to 2016!
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Reply #18 posted 01/11/21 3:43pm

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Number23 said:

vainandy said:

It's according to where you say it. On facebook, in person, at work, at the grocery store, or anywhere like that is fine. Not over here though where someone in charge of the deluxe editions may be lurking to get ideas for the next deluxe edition. A year is a long time to wait for another project, especially when you're not getting any younger, and I don't want a year wasted on no 90s stuff.....at least until all the 80s and 70s stuff is released anyway. lol

Bollocks, you’ll be shaking your urine soaked arsecheeks in your wheelchair in the old folks home to the Prince vocal of Release It when it’s released just like the rest of us lol

I want to be shaking it to clear versions of "Heaven", the original version of "Tick Tick Bang" and other tracks like those long before that though. And bring on that damn follow-up album to "1999" too. lol

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #19 posted 01/11/21 3:53pm

Number23

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Number23 said:


vainandy said:

It's according to where you say it. On facebook, in person, at work, at the grocery store, or anywhere like that is fine. Not over here though where someone in charge of the deluxe editions may be lurking to get ideas for the next deluxe edition. A year is a long time to wait for another project, especially when you're not getting any younger, and I don't want a year wasted on no 90s stuff.....at least until all the 80s and 70s stuff is released anyway. lol



Bollocks, you’ll be shaking your urine soaked arsecheeks in your wheelchair in the old folks home to the Prince vocal of Release It when it’s released just like the rest of us lol

I want to be shaking it to clear versions of "Heaven", the original version of "Tick Tick Bang" and other tracks like those long before that though. And bring on that damn follow-up album to "1999" too. lol


Oh aye, Heaven will be awesome. You’ll hear that in full this year. Stay alive, and don’t eat Alpen thinking it’s healthy, shit’s full of sugar.
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Reply #20 posted 01/11/21 4:01pm

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Not me, diamond and pearls was his most 2nd successful album, and singles top tens around Europe. He also signed a luractive deal with Warner, the biggest at its time, 100 million.

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Reply #21 posted 01/11/21 4:03pm

Dalia11

The Albums Prince Recorded in the 1990s:

"Graffiti Bridge"(90), "Diamonds and Pearls"(91), "Love Symbol(92),

"Come"(94), "The Black Album"(94), "The Gold Experience"(95). "Exodus"(95),

"Chaos and Disorders"(96), "Kamasutra"(97), "Emancipation"(98),

"Crystal Ball"(98), "The Truth"(98), "New Power Soul"(98),

"The Vault: Old Friends For Sale"(99),

"Rave Un 2 The Joy Fantastic"(99), "GoldNigga(99),
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Reply #22 posted 01/11/21 4:48pm

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Wolfie87 said:

A year ago, I listened to Graffiti Bridge without really knowing the track listing. Amazing flow into each songs up until, what, song number 7 or 8 maybe? Then it just get boring.

2 months ago i watched GB with the Prince Podcast commentary. And rarely have I been so ashamed and appalled by a movie. By far one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And that's puting in the fact that it must've cost an fortune to make. Everything is fake looking, plastic and unbelievable 90's cheese.
However, almost everything unreleased 1989-1991 are my favorite tracks from Prince.

And Love 2 The 9's is my 3rd favorite Prince track of all time. I love Prince's 90's catalogue. But GB is something a rarely go back to at all.
[Edited 1/11/21 14:31pm]


Have no idea where you would get the impression that it must've cost a fortune to make. Prince himself at the time in his Rolling Stone interview said it was cheap.

Found an extract of the article below.

A couple of nights later, Prince is dealing with the painstaking minutiae of piecing together his almost-finished movie. “People are going, ‘Oh, this is Prince’s big gamble,'” he says, sitting on the floor of his London hotel room, fast-forwarding a video version of his most recent cut. “What gamble? I made a $7 million movie with somebody else’s money, and I’m sitting here finishing it.”

Prince stops the tape at a point when gospel queen Mavis Staples is leaning out of a window in Minneapolis’s Seven Corners, waxing wise on the night action down the street. The movie appears to be set in the 1950s, when Seven Corners was a Midwestern hotbed of clubs and hipsters. The Seven Corners set, raised on the Paisley Park sound stage, resembles the kind of backdrop used in Gene Kelly musicals. “Yeah, cheap!” says Prince with a laugh. “Actually, that’s okay. It’s like how we did Dirty Mind. But man, what I’d do with a $25 million budget. I’ll need a big success to get that, but I’ll get it, I will get it.


https://en.apoplife.nl/su...rview-1990
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Reply #23 posted 01/11/21 5:01pm

JayCrawford

I personally want my Parade, Dirty Mind and Controversy super deluxe edition to happen because like Andy said. Us original Prince fans aren't getting any younger and we need this shit to happen and THEN they can focus on the younger Prince fans of the 90s and onwards.
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Reply #24 posted 01/11/21 7:41pm

Margot

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Who cares what do you like or not, anyway?!

LOL

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Reply #25 posted 01/11/21 10:11pm

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The movie appears to be set in the 1950s



lol I remember a few critics thought UTCM was set in the 40s...lol....to me,GB clearly looks like a late-80s movie.
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Reply #26 posted 01/11/21 11:18pm

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JayCrawford said:

I personally want my Parade, Dirty Mind and Controversy super deluxe edition to happen because like Andy said. Us original Prince fans aren't getting any younger and we need this shit to happen and THEN they can focus on the younger Prince fans of the 90s and onwards.

Deluxe editions should be handled like the coronavirus vaccines. Seniors are at higher risk of dying first so they should be the first to get their fix. Other groups come later. lol

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Reply #27 posted 01/12/21 12:54am

jfenster

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they have no clue, sorry haters. he was as good as he ever was then.


Damn straight...how rare for an artist to have 2 great decades..
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Reply #28 posted 01/12/21 1:15am

JayCrawford

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lustmealways said:

they have no clue, sorry haters. he was as good as he ever was then.


Damn straight...how rare for an artist to have 2 great decades..


Nah, he was shit then. It was the end of Prince. RIP to Princes career from 80-87 the golden years
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Reply #29 posted 01/12/21 2:23am

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vainandy said:

JayCrawford said:

I personally want my Parade, Dirty Mind and Controversy super deluxe edition to happen because like Andy said. Us original Prince fans aren't getting any younger and we need this shit to happen and THEN they can focus on the younger Prince fans of the 90s and onwards.

Deluxe editions should be handled like the coronavirus vaccines. Seniors are at higher risk of dying first so they should be the first to get their fix. Other groups come later. lol


lol

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