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Reply #60 posted 01/18/21 6:41pm

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jfenster said:

Trent Reznor is a fan of his 90's output....do u question his judgement?


Trent Reznor made trash, put out trash, and can't compare to Prince. The best NIN was the 80s, didn't you know that? He lost his mojo before he even started. </ sarcasm>

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Reply #61 posted 01/19/21 12:43am

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jfenster said:

Trent Reznor is a fan of his 90's output....do u question his judgement?

When did Reznor become the arbiter of quality? Dude hasn't put out decent work in over 20 years.

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He slammed Prince's prolific nature, too.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/trent-reznor-swipes-at-prince-rivers-cuomo-in-fan-interview-109539/'

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“I’m not Prince or Rivers Cuomo, who brags about having hundreds of great songs,” Reznor replied. “And to that I would say, ‘Prince, if you have a hundred great songs or a thousand, how about picking a few and putting them on your record that you’ve put out, because your last several have sucked.’

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Reply #62 posted 01/19/21 6:38am

tab32792

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Look, I never go back and listen to Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, or prince.


But orgers still jump down my throat when I say that. hmmm


I simply prefer his output for the remainder of the decade: Come, The Black Album (don't care about the technicality since this one is always skipped over in 80s discussion), The Gold Experience, Girl 6, EMANCIPATION (!!!), Crystal Ball.

Lol if you don't like it or never go back to listen to it, that's more than fine. Folks can do whatever they want. The problem is when people make grandiose statements or opinions then pass them off as fact just because the majority feels that way. It's a lot of stuff I almost never go back to in his entire 40 year career.

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Reply #63 posted 01/19/21 6:52am

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mynameisnotsusan said:

Wolfie87 said:
A year ago, I listened to Graffiti Bridge without really knowing the track listing. Amazing flow into each songs up until, what, song number 7 or 8 maybe? Then it just get boring. 2 months ago i watched GB with the Prince Podcast commentary. And rarely have I been so ashamed and appalled by a movie. By far one of the worst movies I've ever seen. And that's puting in the fact that it must've cost an fortune to make. Everything is fake looking, plastic and unbelievable 90's cheese. However, almost everything unreleased 1989-1991 are my favorite tracks from Prince. And Love 2 The 9's is my 3rd favorite Prince track of all time. I love Prince's 90's catalogue. But GB is something a rarely go back to at all. [Edited 1/11/21 14:31pm]
Have no idea where you would get the impression that it must've cost a fortune to make. Prince himself at the time in his Rolling Stone interview said it was cheap. Found an extract of the article below. A couple of nights later, Prince is dealing with the painstaking minutiae of piecing together his almost-finished movie. “People are going, ‘Oh, this is Prince’s big gamble,'” he says, sitting on the floor of his London hotel room, fast-forwarding a video version of his most recent cut. “What gamble? I made a $7 million movie with somebody else’s money, and I’m sitting here finishing it.” Prince stops the tape at a point when gospel queen Mavis Staples is leaning out of a window in Minneapolis’s Seven Corners, waxing wise on the night action down the street. The movie appears to be set in the 1950s, when Seven Corners was a Midwestern hotbed of clubs and hipsters. The Seven Corners set, raised on the Paisley Park sound stage, resembles the kind of backdrop used in Gene Kelly musicals. “Yeah, cheap!” says Prince with a laugh. “Actually, that’s okay. It’s like how we did Dirty Mind. But man, what I’d do with a $25 million budget. I’ll need a big success to get that, but I’ll get it, I will get it. https://en.apoplife.nl/su...rview-1990


Yup. Graffiti Bridge was definitely made on the cheap. After the twin debacles of Under the Cherry Moon and the Black Album (to say nothing of the US leg of the Lovesexy tour and even the creative tussles over Batman), Warner Brothers wasn't about to give Prince a blank check. That relationship was going south like Sherman.

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Reply #64 posted 01/19/21 7:00am

RODSERLING

Albums in the 90's that are great IMHO :
D&P
Love symbol
Come
Gold
Emancipation
Crystal Ball
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Reply #65 posted 01/19/21 8:51am

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RODSERLING said:

Albums in the 90's that are great IMHO : D&P Love symbol Come Gold Emancipation Crystal Ball

Great choices. I enjoy all of these albums as well.

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Reply #66 posted 01/19/21 10:13am

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A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.

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Reply #67 posted 01/19/21 10:43am

JayCrawford

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.



[Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #68 posted 01/19/21 11:01am

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JayCrawford said:

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.

[Snip - luv4u]

Good lord, you need to go.

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Reply #69 posted 01/19/21 11:07am

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JayCrawford said:

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.

[Snip - luv4u]


ok, OK. We'll get off your lawn.

I'm not wild about a lot of rap myself but dig some of it. To say "it's not music" is pretty narrow minded and even borderline insulting to an entire culture. I'll be sure to check with you first before I post anything about what constitutes "music" though.


[Edited 1/19/21 11:11am]

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Reply #70 posted 01/19/21 11:13am

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JayCrawford said:

OperatingThetan said:
Come, The Gold Experience and The Truth album are all classic Prince albums in my estimation. In addition, a classic single album can be compiled from both Emancipation and Crystal Ball. Much of Love Symbol is also first rate and the best material on NewPower Soul and Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic is still very strong, even compared to Prince's 80s work. The War is Prince's 'Crystal Ball' of the 90s and Chaos and Disorder remains Prince's most convincing rock album. From my perspective, Prince's 90s work is essential and vital in understanding and appreciating his entire career.
Nah, they're garbage.


oh.

I'll stop liking shit I enjoy then.

Thanks for clearing that shit up.

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If you take the Love Symbol album and, say, stripped out any vocals - rap and all - and just listen to that shit, it's amazing and has layers of complexity Prince never offered before. His drummer(s) were better in the 90's and gave his sound a much needed organic sounding boost, along with some horns. It sounded like a band. TGE is great.

Exodus is one of my favorite Prince albums and (I think) is his funkiest.

^^^I know it's an NPG album^^^

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Reply #71 posted 01/19/21 11:14am

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TwiliteKid said:



JayCrawford said:


herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.



[Snip - luv4u]


Good lord, you need to go.



right? jesus, this dude's shtick is tired.
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Reply #72 posted 01/19/21 12:09pm

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JayCrawford said:

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.



[Snip - luv4u]


Wow. This is really embarassing. And offensive. And racist too.
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Reply #73 posted 01/19/21 12:35pm

tab32792

JayCrawford said:

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.

[Snip - luv4u]

are you fucking kidding me? lol

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Reply #74 posted 01/19/21 12:36pm

tab32792

herb4 said:

A lot of fans don't like rap in general and Prince didn't pick a good one.

Big parts of the WB releases had a lot of filler too.

exactly.

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Reply #75 posted 01/19/21 12:37pm

tab32792

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JayCrawford said:
[Snip - luv4u]
Wow. This is really embarassing. And offensive. And racist too.

all of the above. but the crazy part is this is majority of his fans unfortunately. cause they can't see themselves in P when he started going back to traditional styles of music or got black band members

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Reply #76 posted 01/20/21 8:31am

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What did JayCrawford say? He was snipped by the time I got to it.

herb4 said:

JayCrawford said:

herb4 said: [Snip - luv4u]


ok, OK. We'll get off your lawn.

I'm not wild about a lot of rap myself but dig some of it. To say "it's not music" is pretty narrow minded and even borderline insulting to an entire culture. I'll be sure to check with you first before I post anything about what constitutes "music" though.


[Edited 1/19/21 11:11am]

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Reply #77 posted 01/20/21 12:14pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

What did JayCrawford say? He was snipped by the time I got to it.

herb4 said:


ok, OK. We'll get off your lawn.

I'm not wild about a lot of rap myself but dig some of it. To say "it's not music" is pretty narrow minded and even borderline insulting to an entire culture. I'll be sure to check with you first before I post anything about what constitutes "music" though.


[Edited 1/19/21 11:11am]


People are right to hate/dislike rap and hip hop "because it's not real music"

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Reply #78 posted 01/21/21 12:30am

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herb4 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

What did JayCrawford say? He was snipped by the time I got to it.


People are right to hate/dislike rap and hip hop "because it's not real music."


"eye don’t really care so much what people say about me because it is a reflection of who they r."
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Reply #79 posted 01/21/21 4:22am

SquirrelMeat76

tab32792 said:

The lazy excuse is "Prince was following trends""Too much rap/hip hop" "Prince wasn't experimental".

For starters, literally everybody was incorporating hip-hop into their music. But there's more songs that he made without rap than those that have it. Prince never really stopped being experimental. That's my argument and hill i'm willing to die on. 1990-1996 is just as great as 1980-1987. D&P had an agenda so I get it. Still a good album. prince was the start of something though. He was fueled by anger and frustration. He took contemporary sounds and whatever was popular but still made it his own! Nothing on the radio sounded like Gett Off. I understand preference for sure. I understand nostalgia, etc. I understand all of that. the 80's are what made us fall in love with Prince. But, that doesn't mean he stopped making good music. Idk what yall gauge good music by but to me, if i like it and it makes me feel good, the rest doesn't matter. experimental doesn't always mean good either. there's a couple clunkers in the 80's that people like that do nothing for me. but to each his/her own.

Is it lazy though? His music did become more commercial, and took less risks. Certainly in the early 90's anyway. I don't remember hearing anything as brilliantly strange as New Position, Do U Lie, Dorothy Parker or Tamborine during the 90's. 3 of his big hits were almost 100% hip hop songs (Gett Off, Sexy MF, My Name Is Prince). That is trend chasing. Although many artists were also doing the same, I don't remember Prince going with the crowd the decade before.

Also take two of his big ballads during this era. Diamonds & Pearls and TMBGITW. Sickly sweet, safe RnB/Pop. Nothing wrong with that of course but give me Adore, International Lover and The Beautiful Ones any day of the week.

Of course there were many good songs across his albums during the 90's - but his quality control had slipped, and for a guy who had shyed away from any sort of commercialism in his music post Purple Rain, he did a U-Turn, without doubt

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Reply #80 posted 01/21/21 6:24am

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SquirrelMeat76 said:



tab32792 said:


The lazy excuse is "Prince was following trends""Too much rap/hip hop" "Prince wasn't experimental".



For starters, literally everybody was incorporating hip-hop into their music. But there's more songs that he made without rap than those that have it. Prince never really stopped being experimental. That's my argument and hill i'm willing to die on. 1990-1996 is just as great as 1980-1987. D&P had an agenda so I get it. Still a good album. prince was the start of something though. He was fueled by anger and frustration. He took contemporary sounds and whatever was popular but still made it his own! Nothing on the radio sounded like Gett Off. I understand preference for sure. I understand nostalgia, etc. I understand all of that. the 80's are what made us fall in love with Prince. But, that doesn't mean he stopped making good music. Idk what yall gauge good music by but to me, if i like it and it makes me feel good, the rest doesn't matter. experimental doesn't always mean good either. there's a couple clunkers in the 80's that people like that do nothing for me. but to each his/her own.




Is it lazy though? His music did become more commercial, and took less risks. Certainly in the early 90's anyway. I don't remember hearing anything as brilliantly strange as New Position, Do U Lie, Dorothy Parker or Tamborine during the 90's. 3 of his big hits were almost 100% hip hop songs (Gett Off, Sexy MF, My Name Is Prince). That is trend chasing. Although many artists were also doing the same, I don't remember Prince going with the crowd the decade before.



Also take two of his big ballads during this era. Diamonds & Pearls and TMBGITW. Sickly sweet, safe RnB/Pop. Nothing wrong with that of course but give me Adore, International Lover and The Beautiful Ones any day of the week.



Of course there were many good songs across his albums during the 90's - but his quality control had slipped, and for a guy who had shyed away from any sort of commercialism in his music post Purple Rain, he did a U-Turn, without doubt



But neither Adore, nor International Lover and Beautiful ones were released as singles.
Cream was a #1 and enduring hit, it can't be qualified as " Chase tremding".
Same could be said of "7"
Gett Off is a musical UFO, partly rock, partly hip/hop.
Sexy MF was more James Brown than hip/hop.
What he did during the 90's musically was certainly bold compared to his peers.
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Reply #81 posted 01/21/21 6:46am

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The rap content wasnt that big in the 90s to ruin everything
But it was enough to marr it.
It wasnt that he was using rappers too much, it was that he was teting to incorporate a certain hip hop edginess which did not suit him at all.
Imagine James brown in the 80s trying to sound like prince.
That's kind of what it was like.
But the 90s was still the silver era after the 80s gold.
The 00s is when it began to go beneath bronze
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Reply #82 posted 01/21/21 7:25am

SquirrelMeat76

RODSERLING said:

SquirrelMeat76 said:

Is it lazy though? His music did become more commercial, and took less risks. Certainly in the early 90's anyway. I don't remember hearing anything as brilliantly strange as New Position, Do U Lie, Dorothy Parker or Tamborine during the 90's. 3 of his big hits were almost 100% hip hop songs (Gett Off, Sexy MF, My Name Is Prince). That is trend chasing. Although many artists were also doing the same, I don't remember Prince going with the crowd the decade before.

Also take two of his big ballads during this era. Diamonds & Pearls and TMBGITW. Sickly sweet, safe RnB/Pop. Nothing wrong with that of course but give me Adore, International Lover and The Beautiful Ones any day of the week.

Of course there were many good songs across his albums during the 90's - but his quality control had slipped, and for a guy who had shyed away from any sort of commercialism in his music post Purple Rain, he did a U-Turn, without doubt

But neither Adore, nor International Lover and Beautiful ones were released as singles. Cream was a #1 and enduring hit, it can't be qualified as " Chase tremding". Same could be said of "7" Gett Off is a musical UFO, partly rock, partly hip/hop. Sexy MF was more James Brown than hip/hop. What he did during the 90's musically was certainly bold compared to his peers. .

I'll give you that, they weren't singles, and apart from Purple Rain I can't really remember a Prince ballad as a single from the 80's. However even his singles from the 80's (whether ballads or not) were not as overly slick or commercial as D&P and TMBGITW. Even U Got The Look, Kiss, Little Red Corvette had some Prince weirdness going on.

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Reply #83 posted 01/21/21 9:05am

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SquirrelMeat76 said:



RODSERLING said:


SquirrelMeat76 said:



Is it lazy though? His music did become more commercial, and took less risks. Certainly in the early 90's anyway. I don't remember hearing anything as brilliantly strange as New Position, Do U Lie, Dorothy Parker or Tamborine during the 90's. 3 of his big hits were almost 100% hip hop songs (Gett Off, Sexy MF, My Name Is Prince). That is trend chasing. Although many artists were also doing the same, I don't remember Prince going with the crowd the decade before.



Also take two of his big ballads during this era. Diamonds & Pearls and TMBGITW. Sickly sweet, safe RnB/Pop. Nothing wrong with that of course but give me Adore, International Lover and The Beautiful Ones any day of the week.



Of course there were many good songs across his albums during the 90's - but his quality control had slipped, and for a guy who had shyed away from any sort of commercialism in his music post Purple Rain, he did a U-Turn, without doubt



But neither Adore, nor International Lover and Beautiful ones were released as singles. Cream was a #1 and enduring hit, it can't be qualified as " Chase tremding". Same could be said of "7" Gett Off is a musical UFO, partly rock, partly hip/hop. Sexy MF was more James Brown than hip/hop. What he did during the 90's musically was certainly bold compared to his peers. .

I'll give you that, they weren't singles, and apart from Purple Rain I can't really remember a Prince ballad as a single from the 80's. However even his singles from the 80's (whether ballads or not) were not as overly slick or commercial as D&P and TMBGITW. Even U Got The Look, Kiss, Little Red Corvette had some Prince weirdness going on.



His 80's singles were obviously commercials since they enjoyed better commercial success than most of its 90's output.
Of course, his 80's material was better than its 90's.
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The thing is, if Prince didn't try "hip/hop" ( or, rather hiphop crossed over other genres, such as pop, rock, folk, soul and jazz), he wouldn't have enjoyed the success he had in 1991/94, and would have been a commercial failure in the 90's, with no come-back in the 2000's.
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And there would have been numerous thread here about " Why in hell Prince never tried hiphop".
Or maybe Prince. Org wouldn't be here anymore without D&P.
I wouldn't be here, because Gett Off is what made me a Prince fan.
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Reply #84 posted 01/21/21 9:14am

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Dangerous by mj had only one rap feature
Same for REM

Prince did hip hop style production best on the SOTT single

Living colour used public enemy better on their song together as far as bands using rappers go

Its not about him keeping up to date, its HOW he tried to keep up to date
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Reply #85 posted 01/21/21 11:11am

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Dangerous by mj had only one rap feature
Same for REM

Prince did hip hop style production best on the SOTT single

Living colour used public enemy better on their song together as far as bands using rappers go

Its not about him keeping up to date, its HOW he tried to keep up to date


I suggedt you listen zgain Dangerous.
Notably: Jam, She Drives me Wild, Black or White.
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Reply #86 posted 01/22/21 1:55pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



herb4 said:




TrivialPursuit said:


What did JayCrawford say? He was snipped by the time I got to it.




People are right to hate/dislike rap and hip hop "because it's not real music."






Your obsession with me is pretty disturbing
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Reply #87 posted 01/22/21 1:57pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

The rap content wasnt that big in the 90s to ruin everything
But it was enough to marr it.
It wasnt that he was using rappers too much, it was that he was teting to incorporate a certain hip hop edginess which did not suit him at all.
Imagine James brown in the 80s trying to sound like prince.
That's kind of what it was like.
But the 90s was still the silver era after the 80s gold.
The 00s is when it began to go beneath bronze


Bless you 90s Prince fans. The 90s were a silver age after the 80s🤣
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Reply #88 posted 01/22/21 3:35pm

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JayCrawford said:

Your obsession with me is pretty disturbing


We're talking about you, not to you. You'll know when I'm talking to you because I will directly address you.

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Reply #89 posted 01/22/21 3:40pm

JayCrawford

TrivialPursuit said:



JayCrawford said:


Your obsession with me is pretty disturbing


We're talking about you, not to you. You'll know when I'm talking to you because I will directly address you.



Yet I was strictly talking about you not everyone else you.

You're the only one in many threads that I've been part of always posting stuff about me.

Your obsession is disturbing.

Good try there. Moving on.
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