Vannormal said:

thebanishedone said:

Actually i'm pretty sure she got the gig for 2 reasons 1) She was banging Lisa 2)her dad was a very influental figure you guys give too much credit and maybe she deserves it but not for her guitar playing.

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Every sentense you write is negative, not constructive.

And it's not an opinion, it's what i read from what you write.

Anyways, peace though.

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They were the best of friends, and Wendy's contribution is just as good as every other guitarists contribution to Prince's live performances or recordings.

They all played what HE wanted and demanded. Simple as that.

I'm not a guitarist to jsut state and claim that one is better than the other.

It's not the skills that count for me, but the involvement, the collaborate level, and the empathy in the group effort playing. And these are my personal opinions.

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MUSICIAN (1997)

APRIL 1997 * MUSICIAN

The Sound of Emancipation
I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. I was wondering whether he was playing games with me, because he wasn't supposed to be a keyboard player. And when he was finished, I couldn't decide whether it was him or an angel putting his hands on the keys.

For me, excellence comes from the fact that God loves me. But what is excellence? You've heard about these people who will bomb a building and kill all these people in God's name. You could say that they did an excellent job at what they were trying to do, right? Now, when I look at my band, Dyson is a different kind of guitar player than Mike. She looks cool, she has that kind of punk attitude. But that's her; that's not Mike. Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vannormal said:

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Every sentense you write is negative, not constructive.

And it's not an opinion, it's what i read from what you write.

Anyways, peace though.

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They were the best of friends, and Wendy's contribution is just as good as every other guitarists contribution to Prince's live performances or recordings.

They all played what HE wanted and demanded. Simple as that.

I'm not a guitarist to jsut state and claim that one is better than the other.

It's not the skills that count for me, but the involvement, the collaborate level, and the empathy in the group effort playing. And these are my personal opinions.

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MUSICIAN (1997)

APRIL 1997 * MUSICIAN

The Sound of Emancipation
I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. I was wondering whether he was playing games with me, because he wasn't supposed to be a keyboard player. And when he was finished, I couldn't decide whether it was him or an angel putting his hands on the keys.

For me, excellence comes from the fact that God loves me. But what is excellence? You've heard about these people who will bomb a building and kill all these people in God's name. You could say that they did an excellent job at what they were trying to do, right? Now, when I look at my band, Dyson is a different kind of guitar player than Mike. She looks cool, she has that kind of punk attitude. But that's her; that's not Mike. Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

I agree about everything,Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and Wendy was the weakest link but still she was a good musician

and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one,so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

I think I get why he broke them up...likely many reasons. I think he definitely out grew them in terms of talent, capability...you can see how he blew up with better musicians after. His shows were so much more musical. Besides this, we all know he had that itch to change all the time. He proved that he never stayed with the same band for very long although the NPG lasted a long while and some players, Rhonda, Morris stayed longer then most.

However, I believe 'Management' had something to do with dropped the Rev. I am just guessing that Wendy and Lisa (prob the former more) became too much of a hassle to bother with and he decided..f it, i'm starting over. Sure, their threat of leaving prob also got him going...but I really believe...he was not the kind to put up with BS. As is with human nature, the ladies prob felt like 'partners' and not employees and Prince did not like it.

JoeyCococo said:

I think I get why he broke them up...likely many reasons. I think he definitely out grew them in terms of talent, capability...you can see how he blew up with better musicians after. His shows were so much more musical. Besides this, we all know he had that itch to change all the time. He proved that he never stayed with the same band for very long although the NPG lasted a long while and some players, Rhonda, Morris stayed longer then most.

However, I believe 'Management' had something to do with dropped the Rev. I am just guessing that Wendy and Lisa (prob the former more) became too much of a hassle to bother with and he decided..f it, i'm starting over. Sure, their threat of leaving prob also got him going...but I really believe...he was not the kind to put up with BS. As is with human nature, the ladies prob felt like 'partners' and not employees and Prince did not like it.

Let me add, I recall Levi saying on a Michael Dean podcat that Prince had become wary of women in the band. It seemed to imply that BOnnie was trouble...talking back to Prince, etc. Despite that, he took on Rosie but my point is...he surely was tuned to women and prob didn't like W&L getting so damn close when he didn't want it.

The Sussanah break up msut have hae also influenced.

JoeyCococo said:

I think I get why he broke them up...likely many reasons. I think he definitely out grew them in terms of talent, capability...you can see how he blew up with better musicians after. His shows were so much more musical. Besides this, we all know he had that itch to change all the time. He proved that he never stayed with the same band for very long although the NPG lasted a long while and some players, Rhonda, Morris stayed longer then most.

However, I believe 'Management' had something to do with dropped the Rev. I am just guessing that Wendy and Lisa (prob the former more) became too much of a hassle to bother with and he decided..f it, i'm starting over. Sure, their threat of leaving prob also got him going...but I really believe...he was not the kind to put up with BS. As is with human nature, the ladies prob felt like 'partners' and not employees and Prince did not like it.

Prince basically stated in the 1990 interview that is was more of an emotional friend/employer-employee thing

which connects to him dedicating In This Bed I Scream to them in 1997

But the emotional friend/employer-employee thing was connected to Vanity, the Time as well

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But after 1986 the colorful innovation of Purple Music dried up. It tappered out through the 87-88/89 period, of course because it's all fresh out of there. But after that 1981-1986/7 period it was not the same

thebanishedone said:

I agree about everything,Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and Wendy was the weakest link but still she was a good musician

and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one,so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

I've heard her live and she sounded fine to me. I take your point that she was far from the best guitarist back available to him in 1983 and he had flashier guitarists both before and after her - and better straight up funk rhythm guitarists as well. Miko is great, I ain't complaining about Miko.

If Prince solely chose players best on certain kinds of chops he would have had a very different band for sure but the Clash would not have been a better band with Mariah Carey singing, you know?

Having said all that you also claim she was the worst guitarist he ever worked with and I saw Andy Allo play with Prince so you need to correct yourself there.

Prince made the right decision with all of his bands when he was ready to move on I don't understand these kinds of conversations. It's crystal clear, especially now, that he did what was right for himself and where he wanted to go musically. I appreciate it all.

jaawwnn said:

thebanishedone said:

I agree about everything,Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and Wendy was the weakest link but still she was a good musician

and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one,so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

I've heard her live and she sounded fine to me. I take your point that she was far from the best guitarist back available to him in 1983 and he had flashier guitarists both before and after her - and better straight up funk rhythm guitarists as well. Miko is great, I ain't complaining about Miko.

If Prince solely chose players best on certain kinds of chops he would have had a very different band for sure but the Clash would not have been a better band with Mariah Carey singing, you know?

Having said all that you also claim she was the worst guitarist he ever worked with and I saw Andy Allo play with Prince so you need to correct yourself there.

Andys guitar was always unplugged so i don't count her just because she had guitar in her hands but you are right Wendy is Jimi Hendrix compared to Andy

thebanishedone said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

MUSICIAN (1997)

APRIL 1997 * MUSICIAN

The Sound of Emancipation
I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. I was wondering whether he was playing games with me, because he wasn't supposed to be a keyboard player. And when he was finished, I couldn't decide whether it was him or an angel putting his hands on the keys.

For me, excellence comes from the fact that God loves me. But what is excellence? You've heard about these people who will bomb a building and kill all these people in God's name. You could say that they did an excellent job at what they were trying to do, right? Now, when I look at my band, Dyson is a different kind of guitar player than Mike. She looks cool, she has that kind of punk attitude. But that's her; that's not Mike. Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

I agree about everything,Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and Wendy was the weakest link but still she was a good musician

and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one,so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

Did you wintess her solo on Purple Rain on the Grammy Tribute show? It was the highlight of the show! I've seen her live a few times now and she can solo her ass off. You're not a fan of Wendy I get it, but stop disrespecting her talent that she clearly has.

Poplife88 said:

thebanishedone said:

I agree about everything,Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and Wendy was the weakest link but still she was a good musician

and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one,so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

Did you wintess her solo on Purple Rain on the Grammy Tribute show? It was the highlight of the show! I've seen her live a few times now and she can solo her ass off. You're not a fan of Wendy I get it, but stop disrespecting her talent that she clearly has.

Listen what you say is not true.I like her influence on Prince but i'm just objective about her playing. The best guitar solo she ever did was on a studio version of her own song Waterfalls.

Her solo on that version of Purple Rain is just ok.

I highly doubt that you heard Wendy "solo her ass off" .

if you said i heard Wendy play mean rhythm guitar lick that i could believe.

I don't know why people get upset when i say that Wendy is an

ok funk rhythm guitar player but a lousy soloist.

Like some of you said Wendy was there to add some other elements ,

and she did it well,

but she just can't solo. She can learn to play a certain solo,but you can see when she bends,use vibrato,or try to play some faster licks she can't do it.

Did you notice she always skipps the outro solo on Lets Go Crazy.

What do you think why?

Also what she played on When Doves Cry live is a simplified version of the guitar parts for that song.

Intro was simplified and solo as well and she still couldn't play it.

I am sorry because some of you are starry eyed when it comes to her. You know i wish it was the opposite,cause she had a much bigger stage presence than Levi Seacer for example,but Lev would smoke her on anything guitar related.

And i do agree being better at instrument don't mean you are a better musician,but it helps in the execution of what you need to bring to in a live setting.Wendys take on Prince solos was like it was played by those 90s pop punk bands like Blink 1982 or something like that.

And i'm not saying all this just to attack Wendy,i want to say that the weakest link in The Revolution was not Bobby,it was Wendy. And all these years on the org i keep seeing posts how Wendy was great but Bobby was messing up and thats not true at all.

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Neither wendy or lisa were great virtuoso musicians But being a good musician or artist is also about WHAT and HOW you Express as much as the facility with which you can do it

Well u are right but i place Lisa a few classes above Wendy as a musican .

thebanishedone said:

Poplife88 said:

Did you wintess her solo on Purple Rain on the Grammy Tribute show? It was the highlight of the show! I've seen her live a few times now and she can solo her ass off. You're not a fan of Wendy I get it, but stop disrespecting her talent that she clearly has.

Listen what you say is not true.I like her influence on Prince but i'm just objective about her playing. The best guitar solo she ever did was on a studio version of her own song Waterfalls.

Her solo on that version of Purple Rain is just ok.

I highly doubt that you heard Wendy "solo her ass off" .

if you said i heard Wendy play mean rhythm guitar lick that i could believe.

I don't know why people get upset when i say that Wendy is an

ok funk rhythm guitar player but a lousy soloist.

Like some of you said Wendy was there to add some other elements ,

and she did it well,

but she just can't solo. She can learn to play a certain solo,but you can see when she bends,use vibrato,or try to play some faster licks she can't do it.

Did you notice she always skipps the outro solo on Lets Go Crazy.

What do you think why?

Also what she played on When Doves Cry live is a simplified version of the guitar parts for that song.

Intro was simplified and solo as well and she still couldn't play it.

I am sorry because some of you are starry eyed when it comes to her. You know i wish it was the opposite,cause she had a much bigger stage presence than Levi Seacer for example,but Lev would smoke her on anything guitar related.

And i do agree being better at instrument don't mean you are a better musician,but it helps in the execution of what you need to bring to in a live setting.Wendys take on Prince solos was like it was played by those 90s pop punk bands like Blink 1982 or something like that.

And i'm not saying all this just to attack Wendy,i want to say that the weakest link in The Revolution was not Bobby,it was Wendy. And all these years on the org i keep seeing posts how Wendy was great but Bobby was messing up and thats not true at all.

Wow! Now my ears aren't good enough? I know solos and YES she did.

[Edited 11/4/20 9:37am]

Poplife88 said:

thebanishedone said:

Listen what you say is not true.I like her influence on Prince but i'm just objective about her playing. The best guitar solo she ever did was on a studio version of her own song Waterfalls.

Her solo on that version of Purple Rain is just ok.

I highly doubt that you heard Wendy "solo her ass off" .

if you said i heard Wendy play mean rhythm guitar lick that i could believe.

I don't know why people get upset when i say that Wendy is an

ok funk rhythm guitar player but a lousy soloist.

Like some of you said Wendy was there to add some other elements ,

and she did it well,

but she just can't solo. She can learn to play a certain solo,but you can see when she bends,use vibrato,or try to play some faster licks she can't do it.

Did you notice she always skipps the outro solo on Lets Go Crazy.

What do you think why?

Also what she played on When Doves Cry live is a simplified version of the guitar parts for that song.

Intro was simplified and solo as well and she still couldn't play it.

I am sorry because some of you are starry eyed when it comes to her. You know i wish it was the opposite,cause she had a much bigger stage presence than Levi Seacer for example,but Lev would smoke her on anything guitar related.

And i do agree being better at instrument don't mean you are a better musician,but it helps in the execution of what you need to bring to in a live setting.Wendys take on Prince solos was like it was played by those 90s pop punk bands like Blink 1982 or something like that.

And i'm not saying all this just to attack Wendy,i want to say that the weakest link in The Revolution was not Bobby,it was Wendy. And all these years on the org i keep seeing posts how Wendy was great but Bobby was messing up and thats not true at all.

Wow! Now my ears aren't good enough? I know solos and YES she did.

[Edited 11/4/20 9:37am]

ok,can you please give me examples of Wendy playing a good guitar solo

Mumio said:

Prince made the right decision with all of his bands when he was ready to move on I don't understand these kinds of conversations. It's crystal clear, especially now, that he did what was right for himself and where he wanted to go musically. I appreciate it all.

Ultimately he did what he did, we'll never know if it actually would have been better (or worse!) another way because it never happened. I don't get these conversations either.

It was indeed time for them to go for multiple reasons. Between, him needing a new direction to go in musically and his palette was expanding in ways that band simply couldn't execute. Just listen to stuff like Housequake, Beautiful Night, Dorothy Parker, etc. The Revolution couldn't do anything with that material. It's not in their wheelhouse. Them long, boring extended "jams" for lack of a better phrase was ok at best but as Prince himself said, that was due to them being super rehearsed and repetitive instead of spontaneous and versatile. Sheila E. is miles ahead a better drummer than Bobby Z. Miko vs. Wendy Melvoin on rhythm guitar? Forget it.

Him changing bands became commonplace and i welcome it. It's also how you get other/new ideas. Keeps you from being stagnant. Folks harp on him getting rid of them but it's like damn, you want him to stay the same forever? Wanna hear the Revolution? listen to some bootlegs haha. I would say albums but they're barely playing as a whole unit on the albums that bore their names

Also if folks can sit here and critique him going JW later on or adding rap into his music, then we can certainly critique his decision for disbanding this group. Yall love to pick and choose what to cry about when it don't serve you

homesquid said:

SoulAlive said:

I like the Revolution,but I agree with you.It was time for a change.The SOTT/Lovesexy Band was incredible!

Without Wendy & Lisa's influence SOTT wouldn't be what it is. Prince did his best work with the gals in his orbit

Yall have got to kill this bullshit narrative. They edited/added to/remixed a lot of stuff during that time (majority of which went right into the vault) but they have nothing to do with 14/16 songs on the album. Outside of strange relationship and beautiful night, they're nowhere to be found. My God yall and this constant diminishing his talent to needing/requiring help from them 2 is ridiculous and tiresome.

Nostalgia and familiarity are the primary reasons folks love this group. i get it. It most certainly ain't skill. They had the advantage of being his backing band during his commercial peak and they were in the movie.....

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sadly the Lovesexy band didn't last. But I knew that in 1987.

And Cat and Sheila E weren't really cool...

But I thought an expanded musical Revolution would have been cool. He lost that W&L connection and tried to duplicate it with Cat & Sheila. But it was a forced thing. Sheila wanted Prince all to herself.

I wish the Revolution encorporated a few more musicians David Suzi and Novi, Juan Sheila and Eddie

see the 80s through ... Prince's New Power Lovesexy wasn't so powerful, Boni ran all the way to Australia, Cat ran to Europe, Atlanta flat out retired

Cat and Sheila didn't get along but Prince and Cat's chemistry was FAR from forced. I know you have this Revolution preference but come on now. That's a reach.

Vannormal said:

clay said:

Outside the sheer musicality of the SOTT/Lovesexy band, which would've smoked the Revolution, Wendy and Lisa wouldn't be able to hang with the direction he was going in. He seemed to want to exploit/expand the sexuality and sensuality in both his music and stage shows and from watching the Parade shows, it was, for the most part, stiff. Great for what it was. But comparatively, he seemed tamed by fame - playing it safe. It took balls to make that decision but he was on the right track. Probably an unpopular opinion, but it's all "IMO".

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Serious?

I do not agree.

Prince shined and radiated during all those The Revolution concerts.

The sparks were leaping off him.

And there was so much positive interaction between him and the band, you even felt the friendship.

With all his later bands you felt mostly perfection through great craftmanship.

He was the star, the others were (just) people he needed to play live.

The bar was indeed much higher, but musically on stage it became much more of a show than a concert - which was wonderful, don't get me wrong.

Personally, I think there was more soul and connection through the intertwined friendships, and of course the resentment that that entailed.

Listen to what Eric Leeds told about his years with Prince, and you'll know what i mean.

But you don't have to agree with it.

I prefer to feel the music through the connection (or even tension if you will) amongst the members of a band/group. It's the love i want to feel, not the perfection or craftmanship alone.

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It was definitely stiff. Especially the PR Tour. He hated it cause they were pretty much the same every night; especially as far as the setlist and no aftershows. Too many gimmicks as well. The best part of that tour is the soundchecks. The rest is boring. What friendship did you feel? lol i'm curious

thebanishedone said:

On the 20m11sec of the Stockholm 1986 Parade tour video that is online,

you can see Prince showing sign for that turnaround lick that the Sign O The Times band

played all the time (on 1987 concert with Miles as well)

So The Revolution played all the turnaround licks that the next band played and you some of you said that The Revolution couldn't play that.

Regarding Bobby Z he is Charlie Watts of funk.Always in the pocket,never missing a beat,not a flash guy but he could be if he wants.But his flash is more subtle ,he have those drum roles that never miss a beat and he have a character on acoustic drum.

Regarding the linn drum years 1982-1985 All the beats for the songs were diffrent to recorded versions.All the beats had elements of what was on record but they were in a more improvised form.

That way The Revolution could strech beyond the limitations of a drum machine.

And Bobby had to handle all that.He had to participate in making those drum patterns .

And the patterns were complex,there was always something going on.

On the tours after Bobby left linn patterns were much more basic. On the Nude tour there was no linn.linn was coming from a backing tape .

On the nude tour, there was a drum machine. It was malfunctioning during a nude tour rehearsal causing Prince to stop rehearsal. Also, he didn't need to rely on them cause he had a Powerful drummer in the form of Michael Bland

OldFriends4Sale said:

some of the comments i'm ready is why we need the estate to start releasing live dvd/cds of shows from 1978-1986 and 1978-1981 specifically

I remember someone saying the Revolution could not do 'If I Was Your Girlfriend' lol I thought to myself(and probably responded with) you must not have heard any shows from 1981-1984
IIWYG done on the SOTT show was nothing compared to Do Me Baby or International Lover. the SOTT shows never took that song beyond what they did. the noituloveR broke those songs DMB and IL into all kinds of raw sexy funk.

People especially need to hear more of the off night shows

ESTATE!!!?
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the noituloveRevolution, was doing all types of styles and more specifically PURPLE music, which uniquely sounded like Prince, not other influential artists.
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the Time, Sheila E, Prince and the 1978-1986/87 band etc unique

It is why I still have a hard time mixing Princes music from that period with other artists/genre. But I can mix his stuff after 1990 with other artists/genre. Hard to explain though

Also a weak excuse cause, even when prince started to incorporate popular musical styles of the time (rap/hip-hop, etc) it still didn't sound like anything on the radio.

Derek880 said:

whodknee said:

Prince and the Girl Bros. were magic. That doesn't detract from Prince at all. They helped him to be his best self (artistically) and vice-versa. However, he wanted to go in a different direction musically and then with the Susannah drama, disbanding the Revolution was inevitable. Rather than let things completely implode he saw the writing on the wall and had the balls and foresight to make the move when he did.

Nah...and it's time that people who have been a part of Prince's musical journey from the beginning, start to debunk this myth. They didn't help him be his "best self" artistically. That's always been either the most insulting comment made about his legacy, or the most uninsightful. Prince was a phenom before they ever played with him, and many years after. The biggest part of the problem is that for some odd reason, the Revolution voices are the only ones that are allowed to speak. They weren't even around as long as most of the people he played with. Wendy was only around 3-4 years. Lisa - 6 years. Now look at some of his other band members...Rhonda Smith was around even longer than Wendy and Lisa, about 6 years or so, give or take. Sheila E.- spans about a 10 year period off and on. Miko - 7 years, Levi - about 6 years or so. Morris Hayes - off and on for about 20 years (!). Tommy Barbarella was even around about 6-8 years. Prince connected and grew from LOTS of people artistically. In the span of his career, The Revolution years really aren't as big a time span as people think. That 1999 period, BEFORE all the Revolution hype, was the turning point in my opinion, and it didn't require either Wendy or Lisa. Just Prince, in a room, letting his creativity loose. Let's give the man his due and stop acting as if he didn't begin to know music until he put these two women in his band. It's insulting...

THIS...ALL OF THIS

Derek880 said:

tab32792 said:

RJOrion said:

LoveGalore said:

thebanishedone said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

MUSICIAN (1997)

APRIL 1997 * MUSICIAN

The Sound of Emancipation
I remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. I was wondering whether he was playing games with me, because he wasn't supposed to be a keyboard player. And when he was finished, I couldn't decide whether it was him or an angel putting his hands on the keys.

For me, excellence comes from the fact that God loves me. But what is excellence? You've heard about these people who will bomb a building and kill all these people in God's name. You could say that they did an excellent job at what they were trying to do, right? Now, when I look at my band, Dyson is a different kind of guitar player than Mike. She looks cool, she has that kind of punk attitude. But that's her; that's not Mike. Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul.

I agree about everything, Lisa is amazing,always was. Whole The Revolution was amazing and

Wendy was the weakest link

but still she was a good musician and a good influence and inspiration on Prince.

she just was not a gifted soloist

and she never become one, so yes all the rhythm work she did was ok.

but as soon as she needed to solo,she was lost.

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I'm giving up on you, you know.

Do you play the guitar yourself ?

I don't like to judge someone for something I'm not capable of doing myself.

Isn't it clear that it is not always about the skills you need to have, but about the whole package you need to deliver (as an artist)? At least that's what I believe in.

Michael jackson for instance couldn't play one instrument, but was a songwriter nevertheless.

Anyway, I'm giving up on the Wendy this Wendy that badness.

Peace though.

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