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Reply #210 posted 08/07/20 1:18am

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[Off topic snip - luv4u]


I agree with you on this! But then again, I disagree with you on the song. I loved the snippet and really love the full version. Thank you for your congratulations! They are much appreciated.

But please do discuss the song! An “unpopular” opinion is important too. It keeps certain things balanced.

A disagreement on this song, but I will also eagerly await Rebirth Of The Flesh and In A Large Room With No Light in better quality than the circulating boots and hope some of the tracks I've never heard are awesome too.

In the end all is good and only had a disagreement on this song, which is LB.
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Reply #211 posted 08/07/20 1:49am

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Another thing. I don't usually criticize people for their opinions about music, because it's all subjective and as such subject to ones own interpretaton. But this right here...stop! If you aren't feeling it, there's something wrong with you. This would be like getting teased by a young Dolly Parton...thinking to yourself how glorious those things would be if we ever got to see them. Then, years later, she says "Fuck It", and let's those bad boys free. HOLY SHIT!!! If they aren't everything we thought they'd be...and MORE!! Yes, I'm saying it...finally hearing "Cosmic Day" is like finally seeing Dolly Parton's...umm...you get the point.

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Reply #212 posted 08/07/20 2:08am

darkroman

I think the main issue here is production.

The song is nice and the guitar is great but the production on the vocal is bad.

I thought by now Prince had perfected the 'Camille' sound. Clearly with this track 'Camille' was set to the 'Chipmunk' setting.

If this was pitched down to be 'Camille' then this track would be perfect.

In fact, I'll probbaly do that myself.


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Reply #213 posted 08/07/20 2:19am

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It's good, but not an outstanding track. I can see why it was dropped from any release. He was doing so many better tracks at the time!

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Maybe it was pitched sooo high to sound more like a girl (even more than Camille)... I thought it was Jill Jones at first. Maybe the song was intended for a singer like that?

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Reply #214 posted 08/07/20 2:44am

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djThunderfunk said:

RJOrion said:

why do certain peopple always cry "troll" or "negative", or other juvenile complaints just because someone doesnt like what they like?... then when someone responds to those type of silly replies, they get banned or threatened for "derailing" threads... thats so childish to not realize that different people from different cultures, like and dislike different things...grow up


Diversity of opinion threatens some people I guess.

I've never liked the snippet, or been interested in hearing more, and now that I have I like it even less. I was going to come here to discuss it, but I'm not interested in being accused of trolling because I have an unpopular opinion so instead I guess I'll just congratulate those that finally have their holy grail while I eagerly await Rebirth Of The Flesh & In A Large Room With No Light in better quality than the circulating boots and hope some of the tracks I've never heard are awesome.

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I can't wait to hear the sound quality on "Wally". That is a song I truly love!

I guess I haven't paid too much attention to the snippet of "Cosmic day" over the years as I searched my Prince hard drive and see I have 3 different lenghth snippets of the song. One clocks in at 1:04, another at 1:50 and the one on Blast From the Past at 3:09. The 3:09 version fades before the second part of the song and would be a good "radio edit" for the single if they wanted to go there. Anyway, I stand by my original thought, love the guitar but not the voice.

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Reply #215 posted 08/07/20 2:58am

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It makes me happy to hear that some people enjoy it. We're all different and I try to see if I can understand why I don't. And that's cool.
To me the music is cheesy and pedestrian, the lyrics dreadful. The production makes it feel like it was song he was crafting for someone else to sing. And we know that if that was the case, ther artists took a hard pass on it.
We are a diverse bunch here, and I'm glad we get to share our opinions and criticism on art. That's healthy.
trying to silence those who disagree with your own opinions is not, especially when it comes to something as subjective as art .There is no right or wrong on how art moves you ..or doesn't.

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Reply #216 posted 08/07/20 3:08am

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Did somebody actually get banned for saying they didn't like a song or are we just crying because the bitching back and forth goes, you know, back and forth.

If someone says a song sucks that I like i'm gonna disagree with them. If someone says they don't like a song that I like and here's why i'm probably gonna be interested. Pithy responses breed more pithy responses. I don't mind, I like a good pithy response but if you're gonna make them then you need to toughen up.

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Reply #217 posted 08/07/20 3:23am

Romeoblu

It seems a lot of people that don't like the song have a problem with the vocals.

I can understand why.

I personally love it but I do think I would probably appreciate it even more if it were in the normal Camille vocal.
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Reply #218 posted 08/07/20 3:44am

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It will be interesting to see if Duane Tudahl’s new book will shed any light on why this wasn’t released back in the day. Those around at the time may have some insight.

There’s certainly elements of other songs. The hook in particular sounds like Sugar Walls. It’s really interesting to hear these Vault recordings as we can hear ideas forming for other songs.

It’s funny how some people can make up their mind on a song after only a couple of listens. I hated Housequake when I first heard it. Now I realise that I wasn’t ready to take it all in and of course I grew to be a favourite. It’ll be interesting to see if that’s the case with the knee-jerkers.

I think it’s fantastic.
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Reply #219 posted 08/07/20 3:47am

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Not my cup of tea but an essential part of the set.
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Reply #220 posted 08/07/20 4:27am

darkroman

james said:

It's good, but not an outstanding track. I can see why it was dropped from any release. He was doing so many better tracks at the time!

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Maybe it was pitched sooo high to sound more like a girl (even more than Camille)... I thought it was Jill Jones at first. Maybe the song was intended for a singer like that?


I also thought something similar.

I wondered if it may have been considered for someone else, so the pitch shift was to minic the female voice.

The Camille voice is iconic! If Prince had intended this to be Camile then I feel there would have been no ambiguity about doing that!


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Reply #221 posted 08/07/20 6:25am

milesb

What an interesting track. Some epic guitar work. Sounds like a demo. What a genius to keep this in your back pocket. Oodles of talent.

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Reply #222 posted 08/07/20 7:08am

pernil

Great rocker! Would have fit well on SoTT and been a great guitar-based live number. Maybe he chose ICNTTPOYM over it?

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Reply #223 posted 08/07/20 7:30am

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I'd heard the roughly 3 minute version on BFTP (in pretty decent quality) but this new one . . . I was overjoyed hearing it in better quality and clocking in at almost 6 minutes?!

I listened through headphones, pretty much grinning ear to ear the whole time.

Brings up so many questions . . . did Prince still have the Camille mindset when he recorded this, maybe (like some have said) he wanted to see how far he could push it? Camille still sounded like him but altered -- this sounds like a woman singing it.

Either way, it's quirky and fun and full of energy. Would have worked well on the 3-disc album had that panned out, or even as a B-side.

Also - it reminds me a bit of a sped-up "Rush Hour" by Jane Wiedlin.

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Reply #224 posted 08/07/20 7:47am

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PV have done a lot of work on their page about this song in the past day or so: http://www.princevault.co...did=208292 . Shame they don't credit the engineers.

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Reply #225 posted 08/07/20 8:14am

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So if the Clare Fisher orchestration for Cosmic Day was used as Intermission music on the Lovesexy Tour... and there are soundboard versions of that circulating... could somebody mix the Clare Fisher Strings into Cosmic Day??
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Reply #226 posted 08/07/20 8:39am

mediumdry

gsmith5678 said:

ThirdStrike said:

Another thing. I don't usually criticize people for their opinions about music, because it's all subjective and as such subject to ones own interpretaton. But this right here...stop! If you aren't feeling it, there's something wrong with you. This would be like getting teased by a young Dolly Parton...thinking to yourself how glorious those things would be if we ever got to see them. Then, years later, she says "Fuck It", and let's those bad boys free. HOLY SHIT!!! If they aren't everything we thought they'd be...and MORE!! Yes, I'm saying it...finally hearing "Cosmic Day" is like finally seeing Dolly Parton's...umm...you get the point.

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Meh. In this case, I'm on team Vanity. cool

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Reply #227 posted 08/07/20 8:43am

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lustmealways said:

the song rocks and was everything i wanted.

that being said, does it sound a little thin? i don't think it's cassette sourced, but i don't really think it sounds the best... certainly not much better than the circulating clip, which was already pretty hiss-free and clean. i guess what i'm trying to say is that, aside from the obvious exceptions like Large Room, Witness 2, Wally, etc the tracks we do have from the set perhaps already sound as good as they're gonna sound and this set isn't going to be revelatory in that regard.

ICNTTPOYM 79' sounds fuller and more warm than this, which I guess is just down to how he was recording at the time?

[Edited 8/6/20 16:50pm]

Agreed! LOVE the track - incredible. I think it sounds a little bootleggy though and expected a much fuller sound. I listened on the Spotify app via Amazon Firestick and connected to a nice system. Maybe I'll try Tidal see if it sounds less thin.

It sounds pretty good on TIdal imo.

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Reply #228 posted 08/07/20 8:47am

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Reply #229 posted 08/07/20 9:06am

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The first time I listened to Cosmic Day I was not convinced I would listen to it often. I was even a bit disappointed after hearing the full version. Today the song strangly enough has been in my head the whole day like an earworm.

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Reply #230 posted 08/07/20 9:14am

radicalrojo

it's, personally, a really great tune. one of my favorite things about it are the small hints to the ideas swirling in his head around this time. the guitar breakdown sounds so similar to the one in "ICNTTPOYM," almost expect to hear the dueling solos right as Prince starts his whisper poem.

I can also see why some folks don't like it, it's Prince the Maximalist, kooky, weird, loud, almost annoying. I think it works in the song's favor though, like in "All My Dreams," or "Good Love," or "3 Chains O Gold," or "Strays of the World,"

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Reply #231 posted 08/07/20 9:25am

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mediumdry said:

gsmith5678 said:

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Meh. In this case, I'm on team Vanity. cool

Yeah, I am too. But, we've gotten to see Vanity's tata's. And, I was attempting to make a point about finally getting to see something you thought you've never see in full. So, it was more for effect. But I'm with you. Vanity...MUCH BETTER. wink

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Reply #232 posted 08/07/20 9:26am

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Neves26 said:

partyup77 said:

Agreed! LOVE the track - incredible. I think it sounds a little bootleggy though and expected a much fuller sound. I listened on the Spotify app via Amazon Firestick and connected to a nice system. Maybe I'll try Tidal see if it sounds less thin.

It sounds pretty good on TIdal imo.

Yes it does. And, TIDAL is streaming it in what they call "Master" quality, so it's much better sounding then say Spotify, or Amazon...

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Reply #233 posted 08/07/20 9:33am

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ofofoffjoff said:

I am also not sure about it being a Camille track. I also think that the notion of a sped-up-vocals in a track by default making it a "Camille" track is a very simplistic way of looking at it. I think the Camille persona was a much more complex concept with a variety of outcomes – it was more of an attitude and his way of creatively totally abandoning his musical past of Prince & The Revolution in order to reinvent himself musically. Tracks like Dream Factory, Love or Money, Erotic City (all pre Camille) are definetly not Camille tracks. Scarlet Pussy was listed as a Camille track but was recorded with slowed-down vocals. So while most Camille tracks are with of course the sped-vocals it ain't the rule.

Cosmic Day is a killer track. I also thought for a moment it potentially being a demo track for a female artist; Madonna? Dale Bozzio? But then I am not sure – guide vocal demos are very different imo – in the sense that it often misses the passion Prince usually puts in his vocal delivery. Cosmic Day sounds very passionate to me, ecstatic in fact, a sense of urgency! the guitar is mind blowing.



Dale Bozzio is also a good guess with the intro.


It's the backing vocals that just don't sound Camille to me. Sounds like it could realistically be a woman, like you could sing over it and it would be well masked.


That's him doing background right, I haven't lost my mind? It's a different voice than Camille, like he's processing it to really sound female instead. Maybe just seeing how far he could take it.

He didn't do that with Manic Monday or Shiela, or Vanity demos, but maybe he did for Dale or ...I don't know, Taja Sevelle? A lot of the guide tracks are toned down but some of those final versions are still restrained in terms of passion too. "Never be another fool" goes all out with passion.

I was trying to listen to the background vocals and for a moment I wondered if maybe it's Sussannah with her vocals pitched up. Would've been cute if they conjured up this track together. Sussanah was still involved with him at the time I believe (maybe I am wrong). If so, maybe a valid reason for him to not release it in the end – maybe too painful memory.

Literally have been on my headphones with the track on repeat since it came out yesterday.

Every listen I hear something else. Love the percussion flurries in the spoken section, little drum ruffle, little whisper. Dancing through the house on this track – literally feel like im in heaven. My husband thinks I am nuts.

Really needed this with all the shit going on in the world.

Was also thinking had this been released back in the day, I am sure people would've thought he absolutelty lost his mind – but in time I think it could've been a hit. Great summer song speeding down the highway with the windows open.

For the haters, if you haven't listen to it on headphones yet – try it. Can't believe anyone could sit still on this track. If you don't like the vocals focus on the shredding guitar parts – simply sublime.

This is the Prince I always loved – the weird ass tracks he'd come up with – belongs in the canon of Bob George, Crystal Ball, All My Dreams, Lovesexy, There's Other's Here With Us, etc. Just fantastically wack.

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Reply #234 posted 08/07/20 9:35am

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radicalrojo said:

it's, personally, a really great tune. one of my favorite things about it are the small hints to the ideas swirling in his head around this time. the guitar breakdown sounds so similar to the one in "ICNTTPOYM," almost expect to hear the dueling solos right as Prince starts his whisper poem.

I can also see why some folks don't like it, it's Prince the Maximalist, kooky, weird, loud, almost annoying. I think it works in the song's favor though, like in "All My Dreams," or "Good Love," or "3 Chains O Gold," or "Strays of the World,"

That's a great point. I was thinking about this last night. I think this track's appeal is for those who enjoy that Prince. The Prince that some fans aren't ready or conditioned to process mentally and emotionally. I mean, I LOVE (and I mean LOVE) "Adonis & Bathsheba". It's the one cut next to "Cosmic Day" that I have been most looking forward to owning from this set. I love it more then "Purple Rain", or "Erotic City", or "Raspberry Beret". That's not saying those aren't GREAT songs, because they absoluetely are. But the tracks that are different. The songs that don't sound at all like ANYBODY else could have written them. Those are the ones that touch me inside. "Cosmic Day" sounds like NOTHING I've ever heard...at least from anyone other then Prince. I guess that's why I'm so protective of it. Top 10 all-time Prince songs IMO...

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Reply #235 posted 08/07/20 9:42am

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I predicted this release? Cosmic love. Critics will lose it.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #236 posted 08/07/20 9:53am

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For me, it was 5 and a half minutes of confusion.

Perhaps it'll work better in context next month.

Great guitar!

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Reply #237 posted 08/07/20 10:48am

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it is a fine song... not mind blowing... seems he made the correct choice to not put it out at that time...

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Reply #238 posted 08/07/20 11:08am

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After reading a bunch of the comments on here, I just got a chance to hear it on my lunch break. I liked it on the first lisen, but was underwhelmed. It was stuck in my head when I got out of the car and my brain morphed it into the Reading Rainbow theme (just me? smile)

I listened to it again inside, and for some reason I liked it better on my phone than coming from my car speakers. Upon second listen, it clicked. It would've fit well with some of the Dream Factory stuff. Love the guitar, I don't mind the voice, I still hear Reading Rainbow, but I love it nontheless!

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Reply #239 posted 08/07/20 11:34am

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Love it! very unique and creative as only Prince could make.

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