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Reply #120 posted 08/06/20 11:08am

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tab32792 said:

It’s an ok song. Still don’t understand why Emotional Pump or Rebirth of the Flesh aren’t singles when they’re stronger than the other 3 released

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Reply #121 posted 08/06/20 11:11am

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I'd argue that there isn't a single unreleased track that'll convince anyone who isn't buying this already to change their minds.

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Reply #122 posted 08/06/20 11:12am

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Graycap23 said:

tab32792 said:

It’s an ok song. Still don’t understand why Emotional Pump or Rebirth of the Flesh aren’t singles when they’re stronger than the other 3 released

yep


it's a promotional 'single' because they know that WE haven't heard this song yet
and that it's something of a holy grail for many fans. it's something to get people
excited. the people who will actually buy the set.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #123 posted 08/06/20 11:24am

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IstenSzek said:



Graycap23 said:




tab32792 said:


It’s an ok song. Still don’t understand why Emotional Pump or Rebirth of the Flesh aren’t singles when they’re stronger than the other 3 released

yep




it's a promotional 'single' because they know that WE haven't heard this song yet
and that it's something of a holy grail for many fans. it's something to get people
excited. the people who will actually buy the set.




Exactly. This project is not for the masses. We’re the only ones who really care. There’s not really a song on here that’s a strong single, in the traditional sense, because nobody but us is checking for the 30+ year old Prince single. I’m just happy to be getting some teasers to tide me over. Cool of them to pick a song they know many of us were anxious to hear.
[Edited 8/6/20 11:28am]
"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
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Reply #124 posted 08/06/20 11:34am

Graycap23

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IstenSzek said:

Graycap23 said:

yep


it's a promotional 'single' because they know that WE haven't heard this song yet
and that it's something of a holy grail for many fans. it's something to get people
excited. the people who will actually buy the set.


U want 2 get people excited? Rebirth of the Flesh does the trick.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #125 posted 08/06/20 11:34am

JoeyCococo

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lustmealways said:

the haters are wrong. this is great.

This is heavenly

I don't get the love but I do see that is getting a lot of love! So, i guess it made sense to be included.

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Reply #126 posted 08/06/20 11:39am

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Parts of the songs make me thinks this song is connected to Dolphin

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Reply #127 posted 08/06/20 11:46am

RJOrion

this song is another one that shouldve stayed unreleased... cringeworthy hook and melody... this one definitely aint it
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Reply #128 posted 08/06/20 11:51am

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Hot Damn.


That Bridge! Now that's what I call a Grand Progression.
Can't think of a better morning alarm clock,
especially during these troubled times.

What an amazing piece of fizz bubble-gum pop.
If this doesn't magically transform you into
a fifteen years old version of yourself, nothing will
(I feel sorry for the naysayers. Where has thou adolescent spirit gone?).
That solo is tearing rainbow colored skies wide open.

This may be the closer he ever got to LSD.
Makes me really wonder if Prince ever clocked 4:20.
Had the Camille album been released, it would have been
a perfect B-side to "Good Love".

Cherry pie, apple kisses, blue and whipped cream,
straight from Stoned Swinging Sixties London. Walruses, Mermen...
The same unabashed search for innocence under the influence.
"Interlude"! I mean, come on.

Princevault mentions the Clare Fischer overdubs being recorded
at "Mad Hatter Studios". Can't get more psychedelically appropriate than that.
Either that version got lost, or the Estate is keeping it up their sleeve.


The handwritten lyrics make me smile thinking about a heated discussion
I had with some guy one non-cosmic day: he was arguing that Prince
was a musician going by ear only, and that he had only
very basic knowledge of music theory.

I think I ended up telling him he was deranged.



[Edited 8/6/20 11:58am]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #129 posted 08/06/20 11:55am

IstenSzek

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Graycap23 said:

IstenSzek said:


it's a promotional 'single' because they know that WE haven't heard this song yet
and that it's something of a holy grail for many fans. it's something to get people
excited. the people who will actually buy the set.


U want 2 get people excited? Rebirth of the Flesh does the trick.


i know, it's one of my all times favorite prince tunes. but it won't set this board alight,
now will it?

the only thing that will happen if they release "rebirth" or "pump" as singles is that the
usual suspects will come out of the woods and start to nitpick about the soundquality
for about 200 posts and throw mud at each other etc etc.

at least with a 'new' song that none of us have heard, they create some movement all
across the board.

as for the ever illusive 'general public', they won't care. as sad as that is for us, who
know just how amazing some of these tracks are and how much universal praise they
deserve, the average music listener simply won't care beyond 'oh that's pretty cool' or
'ow i don't like it, it's nothing like "when doves cry"'.

heck, there's already enough people in this thread shitting on this song (although from
experience we know that a lot of prince fans change their minds after a while and start
to praise the songs they claimed to absolutely loathe a year before) because it's not the
song of all songs that will make the whole Purple Rain album redundant in one sweep lol

what part of the average joes and janes listening to FM on their morning commute have
a musical palette that will appreciate "Rebirth of The Flesh" on the first listen? it's such
a great song, it would deserve to go to #1 any day of any decade, but like so much good
and great music, the charts don't wanna know.

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[Edited 8/6/20 12:02pm]

[Edited 8/6/20 12:05pm]

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Reply #130 posted 08/06/20 11:58am

SoulAlive

I’m not too crazy about this one
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Reply #131 posted 08/06/20 12:02pm

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I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW.

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Reply #132 posted 08/06/20 12:05pm

Graycap23

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IstenSzek said:

Graycap23 said:

U want 2 get people excited? Rebirth of the Flesh does the trick.


i know, it's one of my all times favorite prince tunes. but it won't set this board alight,
now will it?

the only thing that will happen if they release "rebirth" or "pump" as singles is that the
usual suspects will come out of the woods and start to nitpick about the soundquality
for about 200 posts and throw mud at each other etc etc.

at least with a 'new' song that none of us have heard, they create some movement all
across the board.

as for the ever illusive 'general public', they won't care. as sad as that is for us, who
know just how amazing some of these tracks are and how much universal praise they
deserve, the average music listener simply won't care beyong 'oh that's pretty cool' or
'ow i don't like it, it's nothing like "when doves cry"'.

heck, there's already enough people in this thread shitting on this song (although from
experience we know that a lot of prince fans change their minds after a while and start
to praise the songs they claimed to absolutely loathe a year before) because it's not the
song of all songs that will make the whole Purple Rain album redundant in one sweep lol

what part of the averaga joes and janes listening to FM on their morning communte have
a musical pallete that will appreciate "Rebirth of The Flesh" on the first listen? it's such
a great song, it would deserve to go to #1 any day of any decade, but like so much good
and great music, the charts don't wanna know.

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[Edited 8/6/20 12:02pm]

It's all good..........I need the entire project anyway.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #133 posted 08/06/20 12:06pm

IstenSzek

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Graycap23 said:



[Edited 8/6/20 12:02pm]

It's all good..........I need the entire project anyway.


which is where we all agree nod woot!


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Reply #134 posted 08/06/20 12:10pm

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Nice. Listening to it now. I like it. Putting on replay music

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Reply #135 posted 08/06/20 12:15pm

Phase3

I am impressed.Whats not to like about this song? [Snip - luv4u]
I already purchased the SOTT deluxe set a month ago,I was excited then and more so now
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Reply #136 posted 08/06/20 12:21pm

bonatoc

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Graycap23 said:

IstenSzek said:


it's a promotional 'single' because they know that WE haven't heard this song yet
and that it's something of a holy grail for many fans. it's something to get people
excited. the people who will actually buy the set.


U want 2 get people excited? Rebirth of the Flesh does the trick.


I passed on "Rebirth Of The Flesh" it for years,
thinking it was over the top in a bad way.
It took the perfect quality version to floor me.
It is a masterpiece.

But so is "Cosmic Day" in its own way, except it didn't get the chance
to be more than a rough mix (which it clearly is), or to have the few more overdubs
that would give it the polished DIY lo-fi SOTT has.
Maybe Susan Rogers was up since two days straight.

This must be a great example of Prince getting absorbed in the song,
and then coming back the next day and shelve it.
Like when you record something high, thinking it's a friggin' masterpiece,
and then you come back the next day, put the tape on,
and you go: "what is THAT?". Pity, though.
It deserved the "All My Dreams" treatment: 48 tracks full of crazy shit.
Maybe this is why it disappoints some of the fans.
It doesn't get Cosmic Crazy enough.
But the vocal and guitar deliveries seal it for me.
I always loved demos, they really feel like notebook pages
and have sometimes more charm than the released versions.

If they happen to have the multi-tracks at hand,
I'm all for a remix with less reverb.
Maybe the Clare Fischer version sounds very different.


[Edited 8/6/20 12:37pm]

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #137 posted 08/06/20 12:28pm

AvocadosMax

Militant said:

I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW.


Me too!!!
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Reply #138 posted 08/06/20 12:32pm

AvocadosMax

This was one of the boots i never paid much attention to. But wow this is awesome. I’m kinda glad i never paid too much attention to it, because i would have played it a hundred thousand times. Its nice to hear it fresh.

It might be just the production, but the sound quality is good-to-pretty good. I haven’t compared it to the leak/bootleg yet. But its alright. During the breakdown when he’s whispering, he sounds crystal clear.
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Reply #139 posted 08/06/20 12:33pm

RJOrion

Phase3 said:

I am impressed.Whats not to like about this song? [Snip - luv4u]I already purchased the SOTT deluxe set a month ago,I was excited then and more so now

why do certain peopple always cry "troll" or "negative", or other juvenile complaints just because someone doesnt like what they like?... then when someone responds to those type of silly replies, they get banned or threatened for "derailing" threads... thats so childish to not realize that different people from different cultures, like and dislike different things...grow up

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Reply #140 posted 08/06/20 12:34pm

AvocadosMax

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this song is another one that shouldve stayed unreleased... cringeworthy hook and melody... this one definitely aint it

This take ain’t it lol

Its Prince at his most quirky. Its great. I like the melody. Now if you want a cringeworthy melody, listen to Graffiti Bridge.
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Reply #141 posted 08/06/20 12:34pm

bonatoc

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IstenSzek said:

heck, there's already enough people in this thread shitting on this song (although from
experience we know that a lot of prince fans change their minds after a while and start
to praise the songs they claimed to absolutely loathe a year before) because it's not the
song of all songs that will make the whole Purple Rain album redundant in one sweep lol


There's the classic anticipation/expectation problem.
"Hear this one, you're going to crack up",
and the joke is already less funny.

I never quite understood the "Holy Grail" halo this one and "Wally" got.
Even if "Wally" was presented in the original version that was deleted,
it's only Susan's opinion, and it's probable some of us would be greatly disappointed,
primarily because we waited decades for it.

And then you can love 99% percent of Prince's catalog,
yet if you loathe the "Grand Progression",
rest assured some will burn you at the stake.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #142 posted 08/06/20 12:48pm

mbdtyler

From a musical standpoint, I do love the portion of the song from the bootlegs. The main guitar part and the chorus hook are both killer. I'm not quite sold on the second half though, there's not much of a satisfying payoff after all the twists and turns. I wish he would have either used his natural voice to complement the raw mix of the song, or recorded a version with better production and fuller instrumentation.

Hopefully someday we can hear the version with Clare's contributions.

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Reply #143 posted 08/06/20 12:48pm

Neves26

Not mad at this at all headbang
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Reply #144 posted 08/06/20 1:08pm

Romeoblu

mbdtyler said:

From a musical standpoint, I do love the portion of the song from the bootlegs. The main guitar part and the chorus hook are both killer. I'm not quite sold on the second half though, there's not much of a satisfying payoff after all the twists and turns. I wish he would have either used his natural voice to complement the raw mix of the song, or recorded a version with better production and fuller instrumentation.

Hopefully someday we can hear the version with Clare's contributions.



On qobuz Clare gets a credit for Orchestra.
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Reply #145 posted 08/06/20 1:08pm

AvocadosMax

Visions
Crystal Ball
Play In The Sunshine
Ballad of Dorothy Parker
In A Large Room With No Light
Cosmic Day
Everybody Want What They Don’t Got
Strange Relationship
If I Wad Your Girlfriend
I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man (album version)
Dream Factory
Train
Witness version 1
Wally
All My Dreams

And i’ll fiddle with the sequence later afterwards, take away and add

DON’T BE MAD AT ME, JUST MAKING THE BEST ALBUM EVER
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Reply #146 posted 08/06/20 1:17pm

Graycap23

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bonatoc said:

Graycap23 said:

U want 2 get people excited? Rebirth of the Flesh does the trick.


I passed on "Rebirth Of The Flesh" it for years,
thinking it was over the top in a bad way.
It took the perfect quality version to floor me.
It is a masterpiece.

But so is "Cosmic Day" in its own way, except it didn't get the chance
to be more than a rough mix (which it clearly is), or to have the few more overdubs
that would give it the polished DIY lo-fi SOTT has.
Maybe Susan Rogers was up since two days straight.

This must be a great example of Prince getting absorbed in the song,
and then coming back the next day and shelve it.
Like when you record something high, thinking it's a friggin' masterpiece,
and then you come back the next day, put the tape on,
and you go: "what is THAT?". Pity, though.
It deserved the "All My Dreams" treatment: 48 tracks full of crazy shit.
Maybe this is why it disappoints some of the fans.
It doesn't get Cosmic Crazy enough.
But the vocal and guitar deliveries seal it for me.
I always loved demos, they really feel like notebook pages
and have sometimes more charm than the released versions.

If they happen to have the multi-tracks at hand,
I'm all for a remix with less reverb.
Maybe the Clare Fischer version sounds very different.


[Edited 8/6/20 12:37pm]

Maybe I need 2 cue this up in the studio.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #147 posted 08/06/20 1:21pm

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Militant said:

I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW.

You ain't kidding. I'm at work listening and now all I want to do is jump in my car...blast this track all the way home...then once I get there pull out my good headphones, lock myself in my music room, and play this over and over and over again. That'll now have to happen later...

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Reply #148 posted 08/06/20 1:25pm

darkroman

WOW... I can't believe the hype of this one...

Hmmm... It's not very good at all. Hence the reason Prince never released it.


cool

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Reply #149 posted 08/06/20 1:28pm

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Another thing. I don't usually criticize people for their opinions about music, because it's all subjective and as such subject to ones own interpretaton. But this right here...stop! If you aren't feeling it, there's something wrong with you. This would be like getting teased by a young Dolly Parton...thinking to yourself how glorious those things would be if we ever got to see them. Then, years later, she says "Fuck It", and let's those bad boys free. HOLY SHIT!!! If they aren't everything we thought they'd be...and MORE!! Yes, I'm saying it...finally hearing "Cosmic Day" is like finally seeing Dolly Parton's...umm...you get the point.

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