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Thread started 07/18/20 12:52pm

thebanishedone

Prince was not strict as a band leader at the end ?

i was listening to 2015 Louisville recording and

during the song 1999

i noticed that keyboard player dont know how to play 1999 synth riff.

Keyboardist in question was Josh .In the past Prince was fining

his band members for every single mistake,but in 2015 you hear

Prince perform his big hit song

with a synth riff played incorrect.

Did Prince loosen up at the end regarding his tight band leadership?

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Reply #1 posted 07/18/20 1:13pm

funkman88

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!

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Reply #2 posted 07/18/20 1:58pm

AvocadosMax

funkman88 said:

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!


Exactly. He didn’t need to prove himself at that point. He basically just partied on stage with everyone and made his money
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Reply #3 posted 07/18/20 3:07pm

EmmaMcG

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Maybe back when he played with The Revolution and the New Power Generation he was harder on them because he had higher expectations? But in later years the musicians he played with were pretty much playing to the best of their ability so there'd be no point in him fining them because they wouldn't get any better.

Or, as has been said, maybe he just mellowed out in his old age and didn't want to be a prick to people who were just trying their best for him?
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Reply #4 posted 07/18/20 4:46pm

lavendardrumma
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He was also trying new arrangements around that time with the older hits and using bands knowing not everyone in the group could play the music and he gave into that presumably to give them space to make something within their limitations.

He'd done that before, but with trained skilled musicians so it seemed like more of a choice then what probably happened which was probably closer to sink or swim. No idea why he didn't just put 1999 in the sample set though.

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Reply #5 posted 07/18/20 5:52pm

looby

I find out more and more, that as you age, things that used to be a big deal to you, aren't that much of big deal anymore, maybe Prince was at that point in his life as well.

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Reply #6 posted 07/18/20 5:55pm

bonatoc

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That fine thing is a joke, it has been confirmed by Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers,
who spent enough time in the studio to know what they're talking about.
The only dollars he took from his musicians were for the "No Swear" Cookie Jar.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #7 posted 07/18/20 5:56pm

bonatoc

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AvocadosMax said:

funkman88 said:

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!

Exactly. He didn’t need to prove himself at that point. He basically just partied on stage with everyone and made his money


Venal interpretations abound.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #8 posted 07/18/20 5:58pm

SPYZFAN1

As long as he saw the crowd smiling, dancing, having a good time and singing along, that's probably all that mattered to him.

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Reply #9 posted 07/18/20 6:22pm

Graycap23

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Prince knew the skill level of 3EG. I'll leave it at that.

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Reply #10 posted 07/18/20 9:33pm

thebanishedone

bonatoc said:

That fine thing is a joke, it has been confirmed by Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers,
who spent enough time in the studio to know what they're talking about.
The only dollars he took from his musicians were for the "No Swear" Cookie Jar.

you talk nonsense.a former Prince band member who was there for Ona and Musicology tour told me he fined John Blackwell a lot if times because of his timing problems
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Reply #11 posted 07/18/20 9:39pm

rogifan

Wait...people think he was going to fine Joshua Welton for getting a keyboard riff wrong? lol

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Reply #12 posted 07/18/20 10:01pm

udo

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rogifan said:

Wait...people think he was going to fine Joshua Welton for getting a keyboard riff wrong? lol

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Wasn't that the same guy that fumbled on the Purple Rain remaster?

Overseen by Prince yes, but still a disaster.

I see a trend here.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #13 posted 07/18/20 10:03pm

PennyPurple

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thebanishedone said:

bonatoc said:

That fine thing is a joke, it has been confirmed by Eric Leeds and Susan Rogers,
who spent enough time in the studio to know what they're talking about.
The only dollars he took from his musicians were for the "No Swear" Cookie Jar.

you talk nonsense.a former Prince band member who was there for Ona and Musicology tour told me he fined John Blackwell a lot if times because of his timing problems

Yes, and Mayte has said he fined her for gaining weight. Plenty of people have said they were fined.

A MASK ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
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Reply #14 posted 07/19/20 4:53am

PURPLEIZED3121

funkman88 said:

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!

seriously?....I saw P's flashes of anger on his final UK tour with 3rd eye girl - actually looked him in the eye once - horrendous! Complacent ? - is the biggest BS line ever in P world. He kicked Hannah's ass in front of 20k fans for fucking up the lead into Contoversey , I saw him physically throw his guitar at the tech in Leeds [the look on Ps' face was terryfying btw!]

Don't forget, in his latter years itw as rather clear & obvious that he was taking on the role of being a mentor/teacher to the next generation too. Note, he also did mellow...but his standards didn't slip.

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Reply #15 posted 07/19/20 5:44am

udo

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

funkman88 said:

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!

seriously?....I saw P's flashes of anger on his final UK tour with 3rd eye girl

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It's an unonscious process at first.

See the band issues.

See the setlists.

See the PR remaster.

See his health and death.

See the lack of a will or any other arrangement or construct to facilitate the heir situation.

It is multidimensional, where his genius was in one specific area.

The people around him did not compensate his shortcomings well enough.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #16 posted 07/19/20 6:20am

RJOrion

wait...hold up...he fined HIS WIFE for gaining weight?... thats literally pimp shit for real... wow.. i read her book, i must have missed that part or it wasnt in there
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Reply #17 posted 07/19/20 6:30am

RJOrion

he was hard on who he could be hard on... some didnt need it and ignored it, and some werent built for it, and were replaced, or left... BrownMark is real open when talking about Prince's sometimes abusive leadership tactics... Andre too.. Morris Day too.. The Doctor too...quite a few of them wanted to whoop his ass but career interests (or Big Chick or Jellybean) stopped them...im sure as he got older and wiser he became less confrontational...we all do...or should.
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Reply #18 posted 07/19/20 6:49am

PennyPurple

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RJOrion said:

wait...hold up...he fined HIS WIFE for gaining weight?... thats literally pimp shit for real... wow.. i read her book, i must have missed that part or it wasnt in there

She wasn't his wife at the time, and you must've missed it.

A MASK ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
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Reply #19 posted 07/19/20 7:10am

SPYZFAN1

Carmen Electra said in a late 90's interview that P made her cry when he told her she was gaining weight.

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Reply #20 posted 07/19/20 9:37am

kingricefan

Personally, I think that no matter what level of musical 'experts' he surrounded himself with or shared the stage with, it was always him that we came to see at the shows, and he knew it. I loved The Revolution and NPG, but it was always a revolving door for singers/musicians when it came to the bands. I don't think that he became any softer on the members as he aged. He continued to fine them when they screwed up, at least up until 3rdeyegirl. I didn't pay much attention to 3rd when he formed that band because it was mostly a heavy guitar sound and I didn't care much for it.

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Reply #21 posted 07/19/20 12:27pm

TheTruth123

SPYZFAN1 said:

Carmen Electra said in a late 90's interview that P made her cry when he told her she was gaining weight.



Are you sure that wasn’t about when he played “I Hate U” for her? I don’t think he ever said anything to her about her weight.
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Reply #22 posted 07/19/20 12:55pm

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funkman88 said:

yes he got soft and complacent in old age because he had lost his fire..it happens to everyone...he was just cashing in on the million dollar shows and thats ok . he deserved it!


If you get paid a million dollars, then you should give your very best! Only then do you deserve it.
O tempora! O mores!
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Reply #23 posted 07/19/20 12:56pm

bonatoc

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PennyPurple said:

thebanishedone said:

bonatoc said: you talk nonsense.a former Prince band member who was there for Ona and Musicology tour told me he fined John Blackwell a lot if times because of his timing problems

Yes, and Mayte has said he fined her for gaining weight. Plenty of people have said they were fined.


My Bad.
Damn, Christopher.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #24 posted 07/19/20 3:31pm

SPYZFAN1

I remember reading about her reaction to the "I Hate U" song, but I do recall reading about the weight comment. I remember thinking; "What kind of weight problem did he see with her?" confused

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Reply #25 posted 07/20/20 12:25pm

funkman88

SPYZFAN1 said:

I remember reading about her reaction to the "I Hate U" song, but I do recall reading about the weight comment. I remember thinking; "What kind of weight problem did he see with her?" confused

her booty was way too big ..it was rediculous biggrin

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Reply #26 posted 07/20/20 1:09pm

RJOrion

word...all of P's ladies and proteges were tiny ...Mayte and Carmen Electra were already skinny...i dont get it.....only woman P ever rode with that may have needed to lose some weight, was Rosie Gaines...and she was still sexier than alot of the women he dated, or the different female proteges and female bandmembers, in his different crews over the years...
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Reply #27 posted 07/20/20 2:48pm

lavendardrumma
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TheTruth123 said:


Are you sure that wasn’t about when he played “I Hate U” for her? I don’t think he ever said anything to her about her weight.


It's in her book. She describes how he used to comment on her diet, and weight like there was a problem and it alledgedly continued during her pregnancy.

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Reply #28 posted 07/20/20 2:58pm

funkman88

lavendardrummachine said:

TheTruth123 said:


Are you sure that wasn’t about when he played “I Hate U” for her? I don’t think he ever said anything to her about her weight.


It's in her book. She describes how he used to comment on her diet, and weight like there was a problem and it alledgedly continued during her pregnancy.

he shoulda gave her some of that good coke his brother said he was using,,,she woulda knocked them pounds off easily...

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Reply #29 posted 07/20/20 3:41pm

lavendardrumma
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funkman88 said:

he shoulda gave her some of that good coke his brother said he was using,,,she woulda knocked them pounds off easily...


There were no pounds to knock off. It was a control thing.

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