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Reply #150 posted 06/29/20 8:59pm

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Farfunknugin said:
v10letblues said:

Wow that is a sexy box set! Why would anyone even get cheesy CD's? Both are dead technologies, but at least records are still sexy.

Their sexy if you have a sexy turntable to play them on..

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Reply #151 posted 06/29/20 9:48pm

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Well, I guess it also has to do with how much disposable income a household has available. For lower income households 150 dollars or euros is still a lot of money.

It also has to do with your spouse's understanding (or lack thereof) of your level of fandom. You have to understand their perspective. If they don't feel the same way about it as you do, then of course they'd have some opinions regarding the "need" to purchase this set...especially with its high price point. Fortunately for me, I have the economic stability to purchase both sets without it being a burdon. But, that doesn't say I didn't catch a little "Hell" about how much it costs. That's because she isn't a "fan" like I am. She doesn't know the level to which I've commited to this artist. Therefor, I completely understand her resistance to support it, initially anyway. She will though later. But last week, not so much...

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Reply #152 posted 06/29/20 11:39pm

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v10letblues said:

Wow that is a sexy box set! Why would anyone even get cheesy CD's? Both are dead technologies, but at least records are still sexy.

I like LPs too, but this box set is waaaay too expensive on vinyl. Secondly, I don't usually play those collections of outtakes in a row, I like to skip through 'em and pick the ones I like. They were never meant to be an album anyway.

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Reply #153 posted 06/29/20 11:51pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:
v10letblues said:

Wow that is a sexy box set! Why would anyone even get cheesy CD's? Both are dead technologies, but at least records are still sexy.

I like LPs too, but this box set is waaaay too expensive on vinyl. Secondly, I don't usually play those collections of outtakes in a row, I like to skip through 'em and pick the ones I like. They were never meant to be an album anyway.

Well, appr $21 / 20 € per LP, &

same price for that one DVD.

Yep expensive shit.

But I know that many 'deluxe box sets' by other artists

are even more expensive;

Bowie's, Pink Floyd's, Queen's, etc...

And these are only the big names.

Box sets always have been expensive.

Its mostly 'fan stuff' anyway,

the perfect milkcow.

One can always wait (years?) to get hands on a second hand copy.

An option I often make myself.

Like for the reissues of Rave In2 and Rave Un2 and all the others.

I don't need them (just remastered).

For me personally hey dont add much more, and i'm a huge Prince fan.

And no, I'm not that 'fan' that wears a Prince T-shirt,

or puts up posters or paints things purple; these are 'fams'.

Shit, I'm a liar... Damn !

I have one black ZARA T-shirt with a small gold broidered Prince logo on it.

But i swear I only sleep in it.

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Reply #154 posted 06/30/20 1:26am

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This is the second time here someone mentions getting hell from their wife for buying the boxset. I mean seriously? WTF?? I mean if it was a yacht that'd burn a lifetime of savings by the couple for your old days or jeopardizing the kids' capacity to go to the university, OK, IDK, or losing the house in a Las Vegas casino.

But a 150 bucks boxset? WTF?? How is that your wives' (or husbands') problem what you do with your own hard earned money?? Not trolling, genuinely shocked and curious to understand this kind of couple dynamic which is totally foreign to me (and my soon-to-be wife)

Ok, so as this appears to be a serious question... the serious answer is that financially co-dependent relationships are common across the world and discriminating against those who engage in them is extremely bizarre. Many couples operate a shared pot of money either through a joint account or through a looser agreement that both parties contribute equally to shared expenses. In a low income situation, it’s surely easy to understand how dropping a few hundred dollars on what amounts to a personal luxury could impact the ability to pay basic expenses for a month. This is not about bring pussy whipped. It’s about being a bit selfish in a scenario when you know it will affect others, indirectly. It has all the makings of a dilemma, and people come to these forums to think out loud and seek input and support. Also, learning from experience is one of life’s greatest gifts. Delighted to hear about you impending wedding. It will change you in all kinds of unexpected ways and I doubt you will find this notion so odd in a few years time. “Love4oneanother” is what he always said. But (on a good day) I think Prince shared money, too. Esp with loved ones. Hope this doesn’t sound too patronising. Trying to help. Congratulations again. [Edited 6/29/20 10:03am]

Thank you for this honest and thorough reply. And thanks also to Funkaholic and ThridStrike for their additions to your explainations. I understand what you guys say of course, I just thought this kind of "all is shared" marriages was much less common nowadays, cos we're more individualistic than previous generationso. I assumed most couples tended to share basic expenses like rent/loan, kids, bills, hilidays, food, but kept their own money separate when it came to everything leisure, and that as long as they paid their share of the basics, the rest was 100% their own business. At least I think that's how most of the couples I know live.

But admitedly I often tend to forget that most of the people I hang out with are not really representative of the majority, because I hang out in certain specific social circles. There might also be little cultural differences between our respective countries that explain my perplexity, IDK. As for my better half and me, we chose to live in a way that's really atypical even among atypical people, so we're really far from such preoccupations. But thank you for your wishes and congratulations, we're very happy together and I feel blessed to have met her after years of a very turbulant (and often way too dramatic) love life yes

So in the end I'd say that I'm still puzzled, because I'm often puzzled by such things, and deep down there's this very radical hippie/punk part of me that wonders if there isn't something wrong in the models society tend to promote when it comes to relationships (and many other things), but on the other hand as long as people make their own decisions and they're happy with their lifestyle, I guess it's cool and who am I to judge? hug

What a great response. Awesome that you’ve found a person, and a from of relationship, that really satisfies you.

And keep puzzling! Nothing wrong with civilised debate (Org by-laws permitting).

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Reply #155 posted 06/30/20 5:37am

LoveGalore	Farfunknugin said: Should I pre-order now or get it later at a lower price but risk it selling out? Pre-order with Amazon now. Unless you live in a crevasse somewhere deep in Russia, they'll deliver to you and it won't cost more than the stated price at pre-order
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Reply #156 posted 06/30/20 5:50am

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olb99 said:

Outside of "remote" studio collaborations ("Can I Play With U?" and "Sticky Wicked"), the only time Prince and Miles played together was at Paisley Park on Dec. 31, 1987. If there was any other collaboration, it would have been documented by now. Alan Leeds and others are almost certain Prince and Miles never played together in the studio, although Prince seems to imply something else during a 1998 interview ("I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point." - http://princetext.tripod...._gw98.html) Was he actually talking about "Can I Play With U?". Or "Funky"? Or something else?

BTW, has anybody tried to identify the Miles samples on "Funky"? I've always assumed they came from "Can I Play With U?". If they don't come from "CIPWU?", there's still a mystery left to solve here...

[Edited 6/28/20 4:56am]

Here https://pitchfork.com/the...aborators/ several people speak with much conviction of such a session taking place, with some citing a March 1, 1986 "Rubberband" session at PP.

But according to Pvault, March 1, 1986 is when Miles recorded overdubs on CIPWU at Capitol Studios, without P being there. Between the relative reliability of Pvault and what Alan Leeds say I'd assume the Miles Ahead website quoted above as a source is mistaken.

It's likely we'll know for sure if anything happened in 1986 or not when Duane's next book is out next year.

Now there remains the possibility of 1987 or 1988, but I really don't know.

Same with these Funky samples. Do we know for sure they're not from CIPWU? (If someone did a thorough comparison, I missed that part).

Could it also be that Prince sampled notes of what Miles did on CIPWU and replayed them on keyboards? (I'm not sure if technology would have allowed this to be made in a clean way in 1989, but he credits some things by Fischer, Sounds of Blackness, Leeds and Bliss as being sampled and replayed by him on Batman.)

Peter Losin's website (Miles Ahead) is a fantastic resource, but Peter is known for his dislike of the 80s/90s period of Miles Davis, so his database is definitely lacking there. I think we can safely ignore anything coming from his site when it comes to a Prince/Miles collaboration. biggrin

My hypothesis is that the samples on "Funky" come from CIPWU, but since I'm not a musician they don't strike me as coming from CIPWU.

"Funky" contains two kinds of samples: 1) a single note played at different pitches (e.g. 0:00-1:52), but the effect is obvious; and 2) short phrases played as is (no pitch modification) (e.g. 1:52-2:56). We should be able to identify where the samples from the second category come from. I'll put that on my to-do list... smile

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Reply #157 posted 06/30/20 7:31am

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olb99 said:

databank said:

olb99 said:

Outside of "remote" studio collaborations ("Can I Play With U?" and "Sticky Wicked"), the only time Prince and Miles played together was at Paisley Park on Dec. 31, 1987. If there was any other collaboration, it would have been documented by now. Alan Leeds and others are almost certain Prince and Miles never played together in the studio, although Prince seems to imply something else during a 1998 interview ("I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point." - http://princetext.tripod...._gw98.html) Was he actually talking about "Can I Play With U?". Or "Funky"? Or something else?

BTW, has anybody tried to identify the Miles samples on "Funky"? I've always assumed they came from "Can I Play With U?". If they don't come from "CIPWU?", there's still a mystery left to solve here...

[Edited 6/28/20 4:56am]

Here https://pitchfork.com/the...aborators/ several people speak with much conviction of such a session taking place, with some citing a March 1, 1986 "Rubberband" session at PP.

But according to Pvault, March 1, 1986 is when Miles recorded overdubs on CIPWU at Capitol Studios, without P being there. Between the relative reliability of Pvault and what Alan Leeds say I'd assume the Miles Ahead website quoted above as a source is mistaken.

It's likely we'll know for sure if anything happened in 1986 or not when Duane's next book is out next year.

Now there remains the possibility of 1987 or 1988, but I really don't know.

Same with these Funky samples. Do we know for sure they're not from CIPWU? (If someone did a thorough comparison, I missed that part).

Could it also be that Prince sampled notes of what Miles did on CIPWU and replayed them on keyboards? (I'm not sure if technology would have allowed this to be made in a clean way in 1989, but he credits some things by Fischer, Sounds of Blackness, Leeds and Bliss as being sampled and replayed by him on Batman.)

It just struck me: are we even 100% sure it's Miles? Could P have asked Atlanta Bliss to play something in a Miles Davis manner?

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Reply #158 posted 06/30/20 7:40am

Strive	So with Crucial, are we getting the original take or the saxophone version?
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Reply #159 posted 06/30/20 7:50am

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Reply #160 posted 06/30/20 7:51am

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I just caught HELL from my wife for buying a VERY reasonably priced SOTT SHM mini lp from an ebay seller. I'm certain I'll catch even MORE HELL for this SOTT SDE. I'm gonna have to start squirreling money away for that one. cool

I feel your pain!!!
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Reply #161 posted 06/30/20 8:57am

Chappers72	I was the one reticent about spending 145 snakes....my wife asked, its not limited edition is it?? She said, get it if it is, or regret it later Three seconds later I was putting my password into Amazon
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Reply #162 posted 06/30/20 9:25am

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Pressed play on the pre-order! I never pre order ever but I can't take a chance to miss out on this once in a lifetime release. I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'.

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Reply #163 posted 06/30/20 9:32am

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Farfunknugin said:

I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'.

I.e.: fairly recent Prince related rereleases (with some extra's) are investments now? eek

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Reply #164 posted 06/30/20 10:04am

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Ok, here's the perfect reason why to pre-order from Amazon. Because as of today, the cost for the vinyl set went up $20, and the CD set went up by $11. But pre-ordering through Amazon, I locked in the lower price at time of listing, and I'm guaranteed NOT to pay any more then that. Also, if the price happens to drop between now and release in September, I get the lower price upon shipping. Well, that and the fact I don't pay a dime until it ships and I can cancel without penalty anytime before that. So it's a win-win...

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Reply #165 posted 06/30/20 10:32am

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ThirdStrike said:

Thats weird because I got it in the last hour and locked in the $149 + tax price.

This says to me the supplys are getting low increasing the price. Go get this set!!
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Reply #166 posted 06/30/20 10:36am

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udo said:

Farfunknugin said:

I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'.

I.e.: fairly recent Prince related rereleases (with some extra's) are investments now? eek

You could look at it that way. I was just pointing out how much the super deluxes have gone up in value/price. Glad I got one when I did. That said I think these will all be reissued at the regular price at some point.

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Reply #167 posted 06/30/20 11:16am

Dandroppedadim e	amazon uk is now at £199 for cds!!!!!!!! damn why didn't i pre-order asap! [Edited 6/30/20 11:16am] UPDATE: went ahead and ordered it from Amazon uk and it initially priced at 199.99 then i got the order email and it was back down to 143.99?!!! Maybe a way of scaring people into buying it? [Edited 6/30/20 11:23am]
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Reply #168 posted 06/30/20 11:20am

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amazon uk is now at £199 for cds!!!!! damn why didn't i pre-order asap!

[Edited 6/30/20 11:16am]

Get it from Amazon IT (140 EUR)

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Reply #169 posted 06/30/20 11:23am

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Farfunknugin said:

Pressed play on the pre-order! I never pre order ever but I can't take a chance to miss out on this once in a lifetime release. I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'.

Nah.

That won't last very long.

A short term investment yes, for a couple of years.

Compare it with post releases by other artists.

That might give you some sort of indication.

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Reply #170 posted 06/30/20 11:57am

lateagain1	Damn expensive stuff these specials milking the fans knowing they dont want to miss out. I see the 7" vinyls already sold out. In the UK the super deluxe CD's are £200 and the Vinyl £300. That is just way to much money. Of course we want outakes but this is really getting into serious money.
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Reply #171 posted 06/30/20 11:57am

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olb99 said:

Peter Losin's website (Miles Ahead) is a fantastic resource, but Peter is known for his dislike of the 80s/90s period of Miles Davis, so his database is definitely lacking there. I think we can safely ignore anything coming from his site when it comes to a Prince/Miles collaboration.

My hypothesis is that the samples on "Funky" come from CIPWU, but since I'm not a musician they don't strike me as coming from CIPWU.

"Funky" contains two kinds of samples: 1) a single note played at different pitches (e.g. 0:00-1:52), but the effect is obvious; and 2) short phrases played as is (no pitch modification) (e.g. 1:52-2:56). We should be able to identify where the samples from the second category come from. I'll put that on my to-do list...

It just struck me: are we even 100% sure it's Miles? Could P have asked Atlanta Bliss to play something in a Miles Davis manner?

I'm not 100% sure it's 100% Miles, but most of it is Miles, yes, I'm sure of it. biggrin

The little phrase at around 4:15, for example, is 200% 80s Miles. Atlanta Bliss could never sound like that. Nobody could sound like that, actually.

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Reply #172 posted 06/30/20 1:03pm

SoulAlive	Farfunknugin said: Pressed play on the pre-order! I never pre order ever but I can't take a chance to miss out on this once in a lifetime release. I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'.
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Reply #173 posted 06/30/20 1:08pm

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Ok, here's the perfect reason why to pre-order from Amazon. Because as of today, the cost for the vinyl set went up $20, and the CD set went up by $11. But pre-ordering through Amazon, I locked in the lower price at time of listing, and I'm guaranteed NOT to pay any more then that. Also, if the price happens to drop between now and release in September, I get the lower price upon shipping. Well, that and the fact I don't pay a dime until it ships and I can cancel without penalty anytime before that. So it's a win-win...

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Reply #174 posted 06/30/20 2:15pm

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ThirdStrike said:

Ok, here's the perfect reason why to pre-order from Amazon. Because as of today, the cost for the vinyl set went up $20, and the CD set went up by $11. But pre-ordering through Amazon, I locked in the lower price at time of listing, and I'm guaranteed NOT to pay any more then that. Also, if the price happens to drop between now and release in September, I get the lower price upon shipping. Well, that and the fact I don't pay a dime until it ships and I can cancel without penalty anytime before that. So it's a win-win...

Lol I love that everyone is commenting on how high priced this set is and then they go and raise the price even more, I guess they are really confident this set will sell out regardless. Glad I pre-ordered nonetheness

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Reply #175 posted 06/30/20 3:29pm

LoveGalore	udo said: Farfunknugin said: I also checked on the 1999 Super Deluxe & it's going for over 3 x the original amount now, just sayin'. . I.e.: fairly recent Prince related rereleases (with some extra's) are investments now? No more or less than ever before.
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Reply #176 posted 06/30/20 5:28pm

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I was just checking Amazon and now its listed as $159 eek

It was previously $149

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Reply #177 posted 06/30/20 6:18pm

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The hard news is: in this day and age, if you want music you can hold in your hands, you've got to lay your money down.

I'll probably never even play the audio cds - my only cd player at the moment is a PS3 with a fan that sounds like a chainsaw. Spotify will do the trick, as it has with 1999 & PR. But I still preordered immediately because I have to have this set, and I want them to know that I'll buy any further sets in the future...

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Reply #178 posted 06/30/20 7:38pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:
v10letblues said:

Wow that is a sexy box set! Why would anyone even get cheesy CD's? Both are dead technologies, but at least records are still sexy.

I like LPs too, but this box set is waaaay too expensive on vinyl. Secondly, I don't usually play those collections of outtakes in a row, I like to skip through 'em and pick the ones I like. They were never meant to be an album anyway.

As I mentioned previoulsy, i honestly doubt i will ever play them. I have a lot of old physical media trghat i keep just as keepsakes as I play everything from far more convenient formats.

I want to support the project and I just want them, as a collectible, as a fan, and as something i could occasionally pull out and enjoy as I am listening to something from this set.

These types of things are presents to yourself.

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Reply #179 posted 06/30/20 8:58pm

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Yeah I'm pretty much the same - I want future releases so I have to support these efforts and we've been bitchin' about a remaster for SoTT for at least 25 years if not more. Might get the CD deluxe and the peach vinyl album. I stretched for the vinyl and CD for 1999 but don't know if I can do both for this release - it's close to $1000 AUD and shits getting tight in my house.

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