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Reply #270 posted 07/03/20 5:59am

andrewm7

Oops, my bad. I thought it was filmed at Paisley. wink Been a long time since the last time I read the credits.

^ no , I have a feeling it was me that was wrong. I had a memory that pick-ups were done at the Chanhassen dinner theatre but I think I was wrong.

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Reply #271 posted 07/03/20 8:25am

violetcrush

BartVanHemelen said:

I really don't under stand why some of you completely fail to understand the basics.

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1. According to Michael Howe just about anything connected to the movie is unavailable due to the rights being a massive clusterfuck. That apparently includes the audio recordings of any of the three dates used in the movie, so it seems they tried to get the rights to use one of them as the source for the live recordings on SOTT SDE, otherwise why would he even know. Which means that the recording we're getting might not be up to the best technical standards.

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2. The movie does not contain any significant footage filmed in Rotterdam or Antwerp. 90/95% of the movie is phony footage filmed at PP or elsewhere (i.e. the UGTL video).

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3. Despite the claims of some I very much doubt the footage filmed in Europe was good enough. The few bits of it stand out in the Blu-ray, as they have heavy grain.

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4. The lack of quality WRT the movie footage is completely irrelevant when it comes to VIDEO footage of other SOTT tour dates. It is entirely possible that one or more dates were filmed professionally with multiple VIDEO cameras (not talking about consumer hardware, talking about PRO hardware). However, no such footage has ever leaked and there are AFAIK no (contemporary) reports of such footage being shot at any of the dates. (Then again, that 1999 concert video was a complete surprise as well, IIRC.) I don't think those shows used video screens, so no video filmed for those exists. Our best hope of "genuine" concert footage is the kind of video made for Prince's post-show review, which is most likely done by having a single camera at the mixing desk. But if that exists and if there is a tape with such footage in the vault, who knows what state it is in and whether this is even watchable for non-hardcore fans.

.

The real frustating bit is of course that whatever footage etc. there is of those final three shows that were taped for the movie, it is apparently off-limits to anyone. Because the recent German Blu-ray made it painfully clear that all they had access to was the movie and the handful of promo photos they used. Which means that whatever else is in the vault from those three dates will likely remain unseen unless some rich benefactor turns up to untangle the rights mess (i.e. pays the right amount to the right people).

Informative and logical information Bart.

*

Well, it just really sucks that the original footage (assuming someone has it and/or it still exists) is off limits for release to the public. Although, it was clearly bad enough that it resulted in Prince choosing to film the faux concert at PP and lip synch to the live audio confused

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Reply #272 posted 07/03/20 10:03am

Strive

BartVanHemelen said:

I really don't under stand why some of you completely fail to understand the basics.

.

1. According to Michael Howe just about anything connected to the movie is unavailable due to the rights being a massive clusterfuck. That apparently includes the audio recordings of any of the three dates used in the movie, so it seems they tried to get the rights to use one of them as the source for the live recordings on SOTT SDE, otherwise why would he even know. Which means that the recording we're getting might not be up to the best technical standards.

.

2. The movie does not contain any significant footage filmed in Rotterdam or Antwerp. 90/95% of the movie is phony footage filmed at PP or elsewhere (i.e. the UGTL video).

.

3. Despite the claims of some I very much doubt the footage filmed in Europe was good enough. The few bits of it stand out in the Blu-ray, as they have heavy grain.

.

4. The lack of quality WRT the movie footage is completely irrelevant when it comes to VIDEO footage of other SOTT tour dates. It is entirely possible that one or more dates were filmed professionally with multiple VIDEO cameras (not talking about consumer hardware, talking about PRO hardware). However, no such footage has ever leaked and there are AFAIK no (contemporary) reports of such footage being shot at any of the dates. (Then again, that 1999 concert video was a complete surprise as well, IIRC.) I don't think those shows used video screens, so no video filmed for those exists. Our best hope of "genuine" concert footage is the kind of video made for Prince's post-show review, which is most likely done by having a single camera at the mixing desk. But if that exists and if there is a tape with such footage in the vault, who knows what state it is in and whether this is even watchable for non-hardcore fans.

.

The real frustating bit is of course that whatever footage etc. there is of those final three shows that were taped for the movie, it is apparently off-limits to anyone. Because the recent German Blu-ray made it painfully clear that all they had access to was the movie and the handful of promo photos they used. Which means that whatever else is in the vault from those three dates will likely remain unseen unless some rich benefactor turns up to untangle the rights mess (i.e. pays the right amount to the right people).



Well it's worth mentioning that Howe was quick to stress that they couldn't get the worldwide rights because the rights are too tangled. There's nothing saying that they couldn't work out a region limited release for some of that material down the road.

They probably won't since the cost for going back to that old footage, getting it into release shape and editing it all together is probably signficantly higher than the Estate wants to pay.

Film restoration is so good today. They could literally go frame by frame through what they have, degrain it, strip it to black & white and recolor everything from scratch. That's what they did for the Aliens release since it was shot on some terrible film stock that was notorious for being overly grainy.

The issue with that style of film restoration is that normally the big studios just run it through a program and shove out the end result. So you have something where you lose a significant amount of detail with the degrain or it makes it plastic looking. It was more common to see those types of transfers at the beginning of Blu-Ray.

So don't expect it any time soon but never say never. Maybe they will surprise us one day.


[Edited 7/3/20 10:12am]

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Reply #273 posted 07/03/20 11:10am

lottusflower

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Reply #274 posted 07/03/20 1:26pm

Pellwormer

lottusflower said:

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....just watched the german price...it went down from 199 Euro to 155 Euro....so, don't panic..I knew it ...and it's just early July smile

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Reply #275 posted 07/03/20 1:41pm

Farfunknugin

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Whens the american set going to drop? fingers crossed..

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Reply #276 posted 07/03/20 8:56pm

databank

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thedoorkeeper said:

I gotta say I like those songs with "Frankenstein" mixes - particularly RoadHouse Garden. They work for me. Guess ignorance IS bliss.

You'd like the originals better nod

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Reply #277 posted 07/03/20 9:23pm

rap

Strive said:

BartVanHemelen said:

I really don't under stand why some of you completely fail to understand the basics.

.

1. According to Michael Howe just about anything connected to the movie is unavailable due to the rights being a massive clusterfuck. That apparently includes the audio recordings of any of the three dates used in the movie, so it seems they tried to get the rights to use one of them as the source for the live recordings on SOTT SDE, otherwise why would he even know. Which means that the recording we're getting might not be up to the best technical standards.

.

2. The movie does not contain any significant footage filmed in Rotterdam or Antwerp. 90/95% of the movie is phony footage filmed at PP or elsewhere (i.e. the UGTL video).

.

3. Despite the claims of some I very much doubt the footage filmed in Europe was good enough. The few bits of it stand out in the Blu-ray, as they have heavy grain.

.

4. The lack of quality WRT the movie footage is completely irrelevant when it comes to VIDEO footage of other SOTT tour dates. It is entirely possible that one or more dates were filmed professionally with multiple VIDEO cameras (not talking about consumer hardware, talking about PRO hardware). However, no such footage has ever leaked and there are AFAIK no (contemporary) reports of such footage being shot at any of the dates. (Then again, that 1999 concert video was a complete surprise as well, IIRC.) I don't think those shows used video screens, so no video filmed for those exists. Our best hope of "genuine" concert footage is the kind of video made for Prince's post-show review, which is most likely done by having a single camera at the mixing desk. But if that exists and if there is a tape with such footage in the vault, who knows what state it is in and whether this is even watchable for non-hardcore fans.

.

The real frustating bit is of course that whatever footage etc. there is of those final three shows that were taped for the movie, it is apparently off-limits to anyone. Because the recent German Blu-ray made it painfully clear that all they had access to was the movie and the handful of promo photos they used. Which means that whatever else is in the vault from those three dates will likely remain unseen unless some rich benefactor turns up to untangle the rights mess (i.e. pays the right amount to the right people).



Well it's worth mentioning that Howe was quick to stress that they couldn't get the worldwide rights because the rights are too tangled. There's nothing saying that they couldn't work out a region limited release for some of that material down the road.

They probably won't since the cost for going back to that old footage, getting it into release shape and editing it all together is probably signficantly higher than the Estate wants to pay.

Film restoration is so good today. They could literally go frame by frame through what they have, degrain it, strip it to black & white and recolor everything from scratch. That's what they did for the Aliens release since it was shot on some terrible film stock that was notorious for being overly grainy.

The issue with that style of film restoration is that normally the big studios just run it through a program and shove out the end result. So you have something where you lose a significant amount of detail with the degrain or it makes it plastic looking. It was more common to see those types of transfers at the beginning of Blu-Ray.

So don't expect it any time soon but never say never. Maybe they will surprise us one day.


[Edited 7/3/20 10:12am]

I wonder, if that includes the 6 songs that were omitted from the concert film. I also wonder, if they will ever see the light of day.

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Reply #278 posted 07/04/20 1:11am

Lianachan

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Pellwormer said:



lottusflower said:


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....just watched the german price...it went down from 199 Euro to 155 Euro....so, don't panic..I knew it ...and it's just early July smile



I’m glad I pre-ordered immediately, so I’m locked in at a maximum of the still too high £144.
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Reply #279 posted 07/04/20 4:21am

Pellwormer

...oh....I really dig that Auld Lang Syne - intro to Purple Rain on New years eve concert...

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Reply #280 posted 07/04/20 11:27am

ChocolateBox31
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I'm pretty sure the reason the Sign O' The Times Limited Edition 7" Vinyl Singles Boxed Set SOLD OUT is because ?LOVE & D'angelo bought over half of them.

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Reply #281 posted 07/04/20 2:45pm

BlueShakooo

I wonder if "It Be's Like That Sometimes" is a cover version of "It Be's That Way Sometime" by Nina Simone from 1967.
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Reply #282 posted 07/05/20 12:14am

Romeoblu

BlueShakooo said:

I wonder if "It Be's Like That Sometimes" is a cover version of "It Be's That Way Sometime" by Nina Simone from 1967.


I really think you could be onto something there.
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Reply #283 posted 07/05/20 12:49am

BlueShakooo

BlueShakooo said:

I wonder if "It Be's Like That Sometimes" is a cover version of "It Be's That Way Sometime" by Nina Simone from 1967.

Alright, another theory:
There's a different song called "It Be's That Way Sometimes" by a singer named Denise LaSalle, which was released in May 1986.
Prince had already covered one of her Songs in 1985:
"Most Strongest Whiskey is an unreleased cover version of Give Me Yo' Most Strongest Whiskey by Denise LaSalle, written by George Jackson and Denise LaSalle (released as a single in 1985, and included on her 1985 album Love Talkin')...."
http://princevault.com/in...st_Whiskey
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Reply #284 posted 07/05/20 1:12am

BartVanHemelen

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BlueShakooo said:

BlueShakooo said:
I wonder if "It Be's Like That Sometimes" is a cover version of "It Be's That Way Sometime" by Nina Simone from 1967.
Alright, another theory: There's a different song called "It Be's That Way Sometimes" by a singer named Denise LaSalle, which was released in May 1986. Prince had already covered one of her Songs in 1985: "Most Strongest Whiskey is an unreleased cover version of Give Me Yo' Most Strongest Whiskey by Denise LaSalle, written by George Jackson and Denise LaSalle (released as a single in 1985, and included on her 1985 album Love Talkin')...." http://princevault.com/in...st_Whiskey

.

The original is from 1982 by Joe Simon: https://www.discogs.com/J...er/1462896

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Reply #285 posted 07/05/20 2:37am

jiorjios

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How does the price-guarantee in Amazon.de works? Although the price has dropped significantly, it still shows the original price in my pre-order (which is 50 euros more than it is now)

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Reply #286 posted 07/05/20 2:53am

udo

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jiorjios said:

How does the price-guarantee in Amazon.de works? Although the price has dropped significantly, it still shows the original price in my pre-order (which is 50 euros more than it is now)

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They will lower their price to the actual price when they ship.

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Reply #287 posted 07/05/20 3:19am

BartVanHemelen

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jiorjios said:

How does the price-guarantee in Amazon.de works? Although the price has dropped significantly, it still shows the original price in my pre-order (which is 50 euros more than it is now)

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There is LITERALLY a text on each goddamn Amazon page (where appropriate) that says "Pre-order price guarantee." and next to is is a link that explains it. (And yes you can view Amazon DE in Englsih because that is literally an option they provide to you.) How about you click that instead of coming to a forum THAT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMAZON.

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Sheesh.

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Reply #288 posted 07/05/20 4:00am

udo

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A price guarantee is hard to understand these days. (how come?)

And how can we use this in this situation w.r.t. SOTT?

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Reply #289 posted 07/05/20 4:12am

jiorjios

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BartVanHemelen said:

jiorjios said:

How does the price-guarantee in Amazon.de works? Although the price has dropped significantly, it still shows the original price in my pre-order (which is 50 euros more than it is now)

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There is LITERALLY a text on each goddamn Amazon page (where appropriate) that says "Pre-order price guarantee." and next to is is a link that explains it. (And yes you can view Amazon DE in Englsih because that is literally an option they provide to you.) How about you click that instead of coming to a forum THAT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMAZON.

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Sheesh.

First of all I am sorry I didn't click the link...

Second I am sorry that I posted in a forum where probably many people made the same high-price purchase as a pre-order

And third did my question really bothered you that much? seriously?

[Edited 7/5/20 4:12am]

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Reply #290 posted 07/05/20 7:37am

BartVanHemelen

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jiorjios said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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There is LITERALLY a text on each goddamn Amazon page (where appropriate) that says "Pre-order price guarantee." and next to is is a link that explains it. (And yes you can view Amazon DE in Englsih because that is literally an option they provide to you.) How about you click that instead of coming to a forum THAT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH AMAZON.

.

Sheesh.

First of all I am sorry I didn't click the link...

Second I am sorry that I posted in a forum where probably many people made the same high-price purchase as a pre-order

And third did my question really bothered you that much? seriously?

[Edited 7/5/20 4:12am]

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If you get ill, do you go to the butcher to ask their customers for medical advice? Or do you go to the doctor?

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Amazon has a goddamn customer service. And a FAQ. Oh, and there is this: https://www.google.com/se...+guarantee .

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Reply #291 posted 07/05/20 8:19am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:


Amazon has a goddamn customer service. And a FAQ. Oh, and there is this: https://www.google.com/se...+guarantee .

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It's a Sign of the Times!

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lol

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Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #292 posted 07/05/20 5:01pm

v10letblues

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Extravegant collectable releases are not aimed at bargain hunters. The Rolling Stones and Beatles have some mighty expensive collectables.

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If you want a bargain, you can go to Wallmart and grab a new copy of SOTT for $14.98 or a used copy on eBay for a couple of bucks.

[Edited 7/5/20 17:02pm]

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Reply #293 posted 07/05/20 7:27pm

databank

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rap said:



camilleisfunky said:


jiorjios said:



First of all I am sorry I didn't click the link...



Second I am sorry that I posted in a forum where probably many people made the same high-price purchase as a pre-order



And third did my question really bothered you that much? seriously?


[Edited 7/5/20 4:12am]



[Off topic snip - luv4u]



[Off topic snip - luv4u]


Because despite his poor manners and occasional mistakes he's always provided a lot of useful, verified information, contrarily to a lot of members who had/have little to offer to the community but their useless, clueless personal opinions.
And tbh I don't understand why people get offended by Bart at this stage, after so many years. He may flame me occasionally, I won't take offense. I don't know Bart the person outside of the Org, but I know Bart the character here, and his behavior to me is like these 2 old ranting dudes in the Muppet Show. Bart will curse and call you names, it's ok, it's the Bart character,it's funny, take it as a running gag and enjoy his real contributions wink
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Reply #294 posted 07/05/20 8:38pm

ThirdStrike

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[Off topic snip - luv4u]
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Reply #295 posted 07/05/20 9:45pm

mediumdry

rap said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

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Because he doesn't do anything that is bannable. He doesn't do ad hominem attacks, he provides factual information and he alerts us to a lot of articles and news items.

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He is not the most personable person and has a tendency to somewhat rudely point out that some information can easily be found in the most important Prince resources or on search engines without a long and difficult search. What he's trying to do is to keep the signal to noise ratio high and not have this forum devolve into a million posts about what Prince's favourite colour might have been in the early 80s.

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People get very upset about his tone and about being told that they can try to research a bit before asking questions. They want Bart to be banned because they just want the answer spoonfed, instead of being told how to eat and where to find it themselves. Oh well.

</offtopic>

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Reply #296 posted 07/05/20 11:12pm

ForceofNature

I think that for me, simply being respectful of others while either answering a question or directing them on where to find the answers is where the discord is. All about the tone that is occasionally taken

[Edited 7/5/20 23:13pm]

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Reply #297 posted 07/06/20 2:35am

udo

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ForceofNature said:

I think that for me, simply being respectful of others while either answering a question or directing them on where to find the answers is where the discord is. All about the tone that is occasionally taken

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The 'tone' is coming from a belief, I believe, that people (not just the orgers) have a certain responsibility to deliver a good job. I.e.: look for info by themself first in the right places, only then cry for help here; deliver a good CD-set, without fluking on the mastering, the song selection, etc; handle the estate well and efficiently, quickly too (not in this reality).

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Some people cannot see through or past the shape or the tone of the message.

They cannot look at the contents, understand the message, act like they understand the message.

No, they balk about the shape or tone and see no error in tehir own circle of influence.

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That is a Sign of the Times.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #298 posted 07/06/20 4:36am

camilleisfunky

The org would be friendlier place without Bart's tone. He corrected my grammar which had absolutely nothing to do with my post. He can be a troll.

When the question was asked about the pre order price guarantee, he could have simply:

1. Shut up
2. Provided a link with the note: you could have found this answer in a 30 second Google search

But look what he did. And then he followed up with another rant.

If someone posts something deemed below standards, we have mods for that. Posts can be reported to mods if someone is offended. Bart should have reported that post to the mods. He has no right using that tone. The org should be civilized and Bart's posts are anything but that.

It's mind blowing to know that Prince may have actually read his nonsense. I would be frickin ashamed.

But like they say here, Bart is for whatever reason protected by the mods.
Nothing can be done. The mods should be transparent about this.
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Reply #299 posted 07/06/20 5:12am

udo

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camilleisfunky said:

The org would be friendlier place without Bart's tone.

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The org would be perfect when everybody would be slightly more careful when writing their texts.

Botth grammar and factual correctness are important.

As is a slighgt bit of research when asking stuff.

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He corrected my grammar which had absolutely nothing to do with my post.

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Was the grammar in the post?

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He can be a troll.

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Was there a grammatical error?

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When the question was asked about the pre order price guarantee, he could have simply: 1. Shut up 2. Provided a link with the note: you could have found this answer in a 30 second Google

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He expects a bit more at this age. It is not a bunch of computer illeterates here. It is the 21st century.

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And then he followed up with another rant. If someone posts something deemed below standards, we have mods for that.

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Are you sure that mods do what Bart does sometimes?

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Posts can be reported to mods if someone is offended.

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Feeling offended is a choice. So nothing to report.

And what do you think when iot comes to Barts wording? What is offensive there?

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Bart should have reported that post to the mods. He has no right using that tone.

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You have no right to write what you did in the way that you did after (not) searching that you did.

Are you serious?!

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The org should be civilized

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YES!

That includes doing some effort when posting.

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and Bart's posts are anything but that.

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Bart could say the same about the posts that he reacts to.

(as he expects a higher standard)

So you BOTH have the same goal but would go about it in different ways.

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It's mind blowing to know that Prince may have actually read his nonsense.

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Whahahaa!

Do you really think that?!

As if he did not have anything else to do.

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Again:

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It is a Sign of the Times when someone has to explain what `they` are striving for.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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