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Reply #240 posted 06/24/20 11:43am

9to5People

LoveGalore said:

sulls said:



AvocadosMax said:


Remixes instead of Girl O My Dreams, Can’t Stop, We CanFunk 86?? I don’t care that we already have previous versions, these should have been included man Michael Howe’s position should be like an elected official — we the purple people should vote the purple politicians in! I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything

Agreed! I can't believe we're getting this remix instead of U Got The Look (banjo version), Euphoria Highway, Crucial (guitar version), etc.... mad




Just listen to me - big whiny-ass bitch... lol

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Euphoria Highway is better suited to a Parade SDE, I think. We don't know what the version of Crucial even is beyond "alternate lyrics" so it may well be the guitar version.

I also don't think UGTL's so called banjo version even exists though there was a demo done before Sheena was involved and it was very different at that point.


UGTL Bango Version leaked about 2 years (or so) ago, so it definitely exists.
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Reply #241 posted 06/24/20 11:50am

9to5People

Oddly I didn't expect We Can Funk, Can’t Stop This Feeling I Got, Girl O’ My Dream and Databank to be on this release. I see it as a perfect record store day release. Sort of its own mini album, the sound is really consistent and the songs work together so well.
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Reply #242 posted 06/24/20 11:51am

LoveGalore

9to5People said:

LoveGalore said:



Euphoria Highway is better suited to a Parade SDE, I think. We don't know what the version of Crucial even is beyond "alternate lyrics" so it may well be the guitar version.

I also don't think UGTL's so called banjo version even exists though there was a demo done before Sheena was involved and it was very different at that point.


UGTL Bango Version leaked about 2 years (or so) ago, so it definitely exists.


Well then I hope it makes its way to a release some day.
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Reply #243 posted 06/24/20 11:52am

mediumdry

IstenSzek said:

Militant said:


What rape references are in Cosmic Day? As far as I was aware, the complete version wasn't circulating, only the first two verses and hook. Are you sure you aren't thinking of another song, or did I miss something?

silly joke, that's all, is my guess smile

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Sarcasm should be made clearer, it's true. I was trying to combine the adulation of the snippet, the outcry of the missing 1999 tracks and the 2 surprises that are coming up in a humorous way. I guess I failed. smile

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Apologies for any distress.

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Reply #244 posted 06/24/20 11:55am

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AhPook said:




mestizo5000 said:


It would have been great to have the 11 minute plus version of “Crystal Ball” with the “brothers and sisters of the purple underground” and jazz part intact. The edited Clare Fischer version from the 1998 Crystal Ball 🔮 set has become the definitive version unfortunately 😐 Where is “We Can Funk 86”, “Can’t Stop This Feeling I Got 86”, “Girl O’ My Dreams” and “Databank” At??? We don’t need 2 versions of “Big Tall Wall”!


Parade Deluxe



Parade: 31 March 1986

We Can Funk: 17 June 1986
Can't Stop This Feeling I Got: 17 June 1986
Databank: 17 June 1986
Girl O My Dreams: 18 June 1986

It would seem rather silly to include these.



I absolutely agree that there should be "rule" for the remasters super deluxe editions - only include tracks that were recorded before the actual album was released...

Except when you think about b-sides that breaks the rule sometimes! So b-sides get a pass by me.
'I loved him then, I love him now and will love him eternally. He's with our son now.' Mayte 21st April 2016 = the saddest quote I have ever read! RIP Prince and thanks for everything.
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Reply #245 posted 06/24/20 11:59am

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newpowergeneration said:

For anyone curious, if something is recorded on film, it really doesn't matter how old it is, it's "high definition".

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Not true. There are tons of types of film, and it greatly depends on how they were stored etc.

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For instance, it is well known that The Godfather required extensive restoration.

Actually, if it was shot on normal "speed" 35mm film it likely falls into the consumer slang of "HD". That jargon refers to image resolution. HD was first introduced in two consumer formats, 1280x720 and 1920x1080 and now of course upwards of that (like "4K").

It's also true that a badly stored negative can degrade, but that is a different set of issues than what "HD" or pixel resolution refers to.

The resolving power of 35mm film (at the "speed"/light sensitivity/grain-size used for industry quality narrative filmmaking from the 1920's onward) is inherently more than 1280x720, and in many cases more than 1920x1080 pixels, because the organic grain of the film was finer per frame than those pixels number at that ratio. In fact most old Hollywood movies were shot on very very fine grain film.

This includes a movie like "the Godfather". It even applies to a movie as old as Gone With the Wind which looks immaculate on blu-ray and perhaps even more solid than many contemporary productions (They used very low speed/fine grain film).

The restoration of an old negative doesn't have anything to do with the original resolution of the negative or prints when it was fresh. Restoration= the action of returning something to a former condition.

In the case of SOTT actual concert footage, what happened was they probably did not use the optimal lens & film stock combo, resulting in very murky grainy footage.... but it would still have more detail in an HD transfer than an SD transfer. Basically you'd probably see the grain better wink

An easy way to compare is to pick a shot of real concert footage in the SOTT movie and compare the DVD image to the Blu-ray image.

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Reply #246 posted 06/24/20 12:01pm

mediumdry

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mediumdry said:

That used to be the narrative. From interviews with many of the people involved with the film, it seems now that, while the film was a bit dark at times (for which there are many technologies now to make that less of a problem)

Or you could, I dunno, watch the Blu-ray and easily spot when they use actual concert footage since it really stands out as grainy and bad.

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Relative to the U Got The Look video, it's worlds better already. And I find those shots quite watchable. ymmv. Also, this is the transfer that was edited and worked on back then. It might be possible to get better results by going back to the original film. It's also possible that the end result will still leave some people unsatisfied, but for my money, almost anything is better than the movie.

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Reply #247 posted 06/24/20 12:04pm

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It strikes me that Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A into A Large Room with No Light is going to be strange sequencing.
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Reply #248 posted 06/24/20 12:08pm

LoveGalore

jaawwnn said:

It strikes me that Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A into A Large Room with No Light is going to be strange sequencing.


There is more to that song than the general populace knows. It's way longer (by about 100%) than the existing version. I don't think we'll see a transition here like the fanmade transition into DF.
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Reply #249 posted 06/24/20 12:21pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

newpowergeneration said:

For anyone curious, if something is recorded on film, it really doesn't matter how old it is, it's "high definition".

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Not true. There are tons of types of film, and it greatly depends on how they were stored etc.

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For instance, it is well known that The Godfather required extensive restoration.


Whether something requires restoration and whether something is high definition are two different questions. The first is a question of degradation. The second is a question of resolution. One has no bearing on the other. You conflated two different concepts.

A simple Google search would have cleared up your confusion. biggrin



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Reply #250 posted 06/24/20 12:24pm

lurker316

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ufoclub said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Not true. There are tons of types of film, and it greatly depends on how they were stored etc.

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For instance, it is well known that The Godfather required extensive restoration.

Actually, if it was shot on normal "speed" 35mm film it likely falls into the consumer slang of "HD". That jargon refers to image resolution. HD was first introduced in two consumer formats, 1280x720 and 1920x1080 and now of course upwards of that (like "4K").

It's also true that a badly stored negative can degrade, but that is a different set of issues than what "HD" or pixel resolution refers to.

The resolving power of 35mm film (at the "speed"/light sensitivity/grain-size used for industry quality narrative filmmaking from the 1920's onward) is inherently more than 1280x720, and in many cases more than 1920x1080 pixels, because the organic grain of the film was finer per frame than those pixels number at that ratio. In fact most old Hollywood movies were shot on very very fine grain film.

This includes a movie like "the Godfather". It even applies to a movie as old as Gone With the Wind which looks immaculate on blu-ray and perhaps even more solid than many contemporary productions (They used very low speed/fine grain film).

The restoration of an old negative doesn't have anything to do with the original resolution of the negative or prints when it was fresh. Restoration= the action of returning something to a former condition.

In the case of SOTT actual concert footage, what happened was they probably did not use the optimal lens & film stock combo, resulting in very murky grainy footage.... but it would still have more detail in an HD transfer than an SD transfer. Basically you'd probably see the grain better wink

An easy way to compare is to pick a shot of real concert footage in the SOTT movie and compare the DVD image to the Blu-ray image.



Exactly. Bart conflated resolution with degradation.

If anyone else would have made that mistake I'd be sympathetic. But Bart jumps on people for making the slightest mistake, so I have no sympathy for him.



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Reply #251 posted 06/24/20 12:31pm

lavendardrumma
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LoveGalore said:


Questlove doesn't even like most of Prince's post Revolution material, lol.


If that were true, it just makes him more qualified to pick out the material that holds up to a bigger cross section of fans and can be repackaged to show it's been pure Prince the whole time, just kinda buried. He did that in the podcasts pretty well.

I think the remixes and singles edits are the label or estate though. I'm sure some people like them, but nobody is picking them over unreleased new material or different versions of classics.

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Reply #252 posted 06/24/20 12:35pm

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AvocadosMax said:

I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything


I wouldn't be surprised if Questlove is acting as a consultant to this project and others, receiving some sort of stipend in exchange for providing input. Obviously I am speculating here (let's call this the "supposedly" rule) but that kind of arrangement would not be at all unusual, and might explain his early access to the set.

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Reply #253 posted 06/24/20 12:40pm

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LoveGalore said:

jaawwnn said:

It strikes me that Nevaeh Ni Ecalp A into A Large Room with No Light is going to be strange sequencing.


There is more to that song than the general populace knows. It's way longer (by about 100%) than the existing version. I don't think we'll see a transition here like the fanmade transition into DF.

Oh really? How interesting, i look forward to it!
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Reply #254 posted 06/24/20 12:40pm

bwaaatch

Promo video idea.

Cocoa Boys. It’s a cool song, the lyrics direct the action in the video, it’s mainly Prince talking about another band (so it’s not Weird if he’s not in it and....

You can play on the mythical early version of graffiti bridge and have Mickey Free, Lenny Kravitz and even Madonna take a turn. I think other celebs would hop on n a shot, and you’d have a huge splash.

For me, it’s such a classic example of a prince song that never saw the light of day (or even a glimmer of moonlight for most of us) for so long. I think it would have the desired effect of ‘whoa, that shit was left on the shelf?’

Who’s with me? And who else would be a good fit for the band, and the video more widely?
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Reply #255 posted 06/24/20 12:43pm

lavendardrumma
chine

databank said:

- As pointed by others, it won't be totally possible for us to recreate any DF, Camille or CB config with the material included there.


Roadhouse Garden too. Leaves some questions about the idea of unreleased full albums from this period not just alternative sequencing and what became outtakes or repurposed tracks. He obviously wasn't going to release Witness 4 the Prosecution more than once. We're also still trying to account for just what we know about.

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Reply #256 posted 06/24/20 12:45pm

Romeoblu

So we have 3 versions of Witness 4 The Prosecution.

I'm guessing we will get the Wendy and Lisa version and the October 86 version. The more electronic version.
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Reply #257 posted 06/24/20 12:48pm

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My only gripe about the 'Purple Rain' deluxe:

No "17 Days (Extended Version)"

My only gripe about 'Sign "O" The Times' deluxe:

No "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)"

I'm old n grumpy like that!!!

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Reply #258 posted 06/24/20 12:49pm

lavendardrumma
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dustoff said:

AvocadosMax said:

I’d vote for Questlove to take over everything


I wouldn't be surprised if Questlove is acting as a consultant to this project and others,


I get the same vibe, which is why he had tracks already..but maybe not even in an official capacity, he's just positioned himself as sort of a diplomat in that Prince world, and you could see who showed up to watch his podcast weren't people that always intermingle.

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Reply #259 posted 06/24/20 12:53pm

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nayroo2002 said:

My only gripe about the 'Purple Rain' deluxe:


No "17 Days (Extended Version)"


My only gripe about 'Sign "O" The Times' deluxe:


No "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker (Extended Version)"



I'm old n grumpy like that!!!


There was LOADS missing from Purple Rain deluxe, everything from Wednesday to the incomplete version of Dance Electric on there. I mean, im glad we got what we got but that needs to be redone as a super deluxe version!
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Reply #260 posted 06/24/20 12:54pm

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To me it seems like the mindset for the SOTT deluxe isn't neccesarily to assemble congifurations of working tracklistings for albums that never existed but rather just providing a vast array of songs from that time which just happens to be (nearly) comprehensive for those albums minus a couple of different mixes for songs, or edited parts

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Reply #261 posted 06/24/20 1:17pm

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Man, sometimes it's easy to understand when people say Prince fans can't ever have nice things. rolleyes rolleyes Imagine you love pizza. I mean, you REALLY love pizza. And you're told you'll be getting as much pizza at one time as you've ever gotten. Enough pizza to keep you fed for a long, long time. And instead of being jovial and appreciative, you'd rather complain about how the pizza is being sliced before being served, what type of pizza box it's being served in, etc. It's madness. Just enjoy the f'ing pizza!! Don't worry about how it's being prepared. It shouldn't be this hard...

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Reply #262 posted 06/24/20 1:23pm

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Oh, this pizza is great, even if three slices consist of pizza I already had, but even then I'm sure the other slices are going to be yummy.
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Reply #263 posted 06/24/20 1:25pm

ForceofNature

ThirdStrike said:

Man, sometimes it's easy to understand when people say Prince fans can't ever have nice things. rolleyes rolleyes Imagine you love pizza. I mean, you REALLY love pizza. And you're told you'll be getting as much pizza at one time as you've ever gotten. Enough pizza to keep you fed for a long, long time. And instead of being jovial and appreciative, you'd rather complain about how the pizza is being sliced before being served, what type of pizza box it's being served in, etc. It's madness. Just enjoy the f'ing pizza!! Don't worry about how it's being prepared. It shouldn't be this hard...

I am with you. I guarantee even if they included repetitious tracks that make the CB or DF configurations available 100% you would still have people complaining about how Girl O' My Dreams isn't there, or how they didn't include this one obscure very specific confirguration that had a 30 edit on "__"


Ultimately I feel like if people focus on what we are getting as opposed to what obscure edit or version isn't on the album, we will all see how amazing this release is gonna be! This release with the officially released songs on singles and other albums (Rockhard, Feel U Up, the '98 CB tracks from this era) we have it all in some form

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Reply #264 posted 06/24/20 1:26pm

LoveGalore

databank said:

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- The 3 CDs of outtakes sound fine to me. The most blatant omission is the Dream Factory Musical suite (Can't Stop, Data Bank, We Can Funk, Girl O' My Dreams), but admitedly they couldn't include everything anyway, and that leaves material for future releases.

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- As pointed by others, it won't be totally possible for us to recreate any DF, Camille or CB config with the material included there. I think it's better that way because, as suggested by someone, those early album configurations would make perfect RSD releases. Prince left many work in progress configurations behind him, and if the estate was to release one or 2 each year for RSD, this would make many a fan happy. Hopefully they'll consider it. Then, sequencing (including the length of silence between tracks) could be respected and we'd get exactly what Prince tried.

Can't Stop, Data Bank, We Can Funk, and Girl O' My Dreams were recorded for The Dawn, so perhaps there's something planned for that? I know When The Dawn of the Morning Comes, Crucial, and Cocoa Boys are also part of that project, but IDK what else would be the reasoning.

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As for DF and Camille: We can create Camille with this release of Rebirth and we can create the July 18 1986 configuration of DF. What's missing?? You'd probably have to do a few edits if you're a legit completist: clipping the first second of Last Heart, the crowd noise on Movie Star, the alarm from Starfish. I guess you mean the longer ICNTTPOYM? Aside from that and the intro of Joy in Repetition, this fills in all the gaps of all three albums.

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Reply #265 posted 06/24/20 1:33pm

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ForceofNature said:

ThirdStrike said:

Man, sometimes it's easy to understand when people say Prince fans can't ever have nice things. rolleyes rolleyes Imagine you love pizza. I mean, you REALLY love pizza. And you're told you'll be getting as much pizza at one time as you've ever gotten. Enough pizza to keep you fed for a long, long time. And instead of being jovial and appreciative, you'd rather complain about how the pizza is being sliced before being served, what type of pizza box it's being served in, etc. It's madness. Just enjoy the f'ing pizza!! Don't worry about how it's being prepared. It shouldn't be this hard...

I am with you. I guarantee even if they included repetitious tracks that make the CB or DF configurations abailable 100% you would still have people complaining about how Girl O' My Dreams isn't there, or how they didn't include this one obscure very specific confirguration that had a 30 edit on __


Ultimately I feel like if people focus on what we are getting as opposed to what obscure edit or version isn't on the album, we will all see how amazing this release is gonna be

Exactly!! Listen, for YEARS I've heard the same damn snippet of "Cosmic Day". In 90 days, I'll get to hear not only the rest of that damn song, but I'll get to hear it in crystal clear sound quality. Not to mention "Adonis & Bathsheba", which is one of my all-time favorite tracks. Then "Rebirth of the Flesh", "Cocoa Boys", etc. Fuck the pizza!!! This could be a damn SALAD and I'd still ove the shit out of it...

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Reply #266 posted 06/24/20 1:52pm

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ForceofNature said:

To me it seems like the mindset for the SOTT deluxe isn't neccesarily to assemble congifurations of working tracklistings for albums that never existed but rather just providing a vast array of songs from that time which just happens to be (nearly) comprehensive for those albums minus a couple of different mixes for songs, or edited parts


Looks that way, yep. I honestly don't get what All my Dreams or Teacher, Teacher are doing there though since they are demonstrably recorded before Parade and not outtakes from SOTT, and actual SOTT era outtakes aren't being included.

To continue the Pizza analogy: listen i had burgers yesterday; now i like burgers a LOT, at least as much as pizza, but why is there some burger on this pizza? It still tastes good and all, but its not wholly appropriate, i would prefer it stayed with yesterday's meal.
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Reply #267 posted 06/24/20 1:57pm

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I am very sorry for continuing the pizza analogy.
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Reply #268 posted 06/24/20 2:17pm

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Musze said:

I wish he had allowed himself to look back/reflect more during his life and to celebrate these classics with releases like this.

Regardless, I'm just glad it's happening now.

Prince(r.i.p.) knew that his muziq would be heard when he was long gone. That's what he wanted. I met a dancer that worked for him. She said he wanted an album released a year for 21 years after he was gone.

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"eye feel that we're on the brink of something. It is going 2 B strict and wild and pretty" prince 1986
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Reply #269 posted 06/24/20 2:21pm

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I played around with preordering it without success. They won't ship to me in Australia or my son in Canada

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