Seems a shame that the songs from Crystal Ball (1997) and a few others won't make this collection. It would be awesome to have all tracks from the era in the same set. Yes, we can fill in the blanks with some, but if they're not remastered in the same way as this set, they won't flow as well as they could...

That being said, it's hard to complain if this many tracks see the light of day!

These are the other tracks I'd love to see in the set:

glamlife2 said:

i think the estate has done a decent job ... the box sets are essential and the best way to put out all these outtakes and live disks ... the one off originals and pnm dont really appeal as far as wanting a physical copy but getting such a grab bag in a huge set with good packaging is irresistable imo .. 1999 deluxe was pretty great .. this sott deluxe has just as much potential to be a real treat ... i liked how the book coincided with prdeluxe and the new book will work pretty much the same ... and considering the book covers parade as well ... they really should just release both sott and parade deluxe this year ... i cant imagine anyone who wouldnt buy both right now ... and are they gonna do a separate around the world deluxe or will that be included in parade? ... the remaster part is a waste .. i hate all the remastering .. sounds tubby and not crisp like the original mixes and masters .. i wish they would cut that shit out and just reissue instead of remaster ... or if basic volume leveling is needed just do that with no compression .. the tracklist looks fun so far despite being short on the crystal ball tunes that sony got rights to .. i always wondered how many albums made up sott .. i dont think this deluxe will reveal much more but .. we know there was crystal ball and dream factory but we heard a lot of madhouse in the live set .. no one talks about the live revolution album that he probably had in the tank that they pulled beautiful night from .. and coco boys .. the music pulls from a couple sott tunes but raps along kinda in the vein of joy in repetition ... i have to wonder if he had a whole other musical concept album that is more in that style that got pulled from for these bigger sets ... and there is the missing revolution albums that gave us the we can funk teacher teacher wonderful day witness etc ... style songs ... plus what ended up on black album ... there has got to be a notebook somewhere with his progressively changing album line ups .. i bet we get a lot more than cb df and camille

SquirrelMeat said:

VaultCurator said:

VaultCurator said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I know what you mean, but based on the naming conventions, it would have to be in there somewhere. I'm guessing #1 is a very MPLS sounding version, and #2 is a studio blues take.

According to Prince Vault, Jealous Girl was worked on in 85. It could be that Jealous Girl #1 is on Parade SD, which creates an open slot on SOTT.

Thats a good point. Parade SDE might carry a 'Bangles' intended version. Even Prince vault don't have any info on whether it was worked on in 85 or not.

The version circulating seems like the completed 5th Feb 1987 mix. So a version #1 could be on the SOTT SDE that is the 1987 re-recording, but without the 1987 overdubs.

This would also make sense from a naming convention point of view. Its seems odd that its called 'Jealous girl #2' rather than 'Jealous Girl (1987 Version)', wich would make sence based on how they've named other songs on the set (ie. Teacher Teacher (1986 Version)).

That said, it would seem a waste of a precious slot!

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SquirrelMeat said:

as always i am ready willing and able to order right now.

In a large room with no light ........ nuff said.

Sign me up.

This set looks incredible.

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Romeoblu said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Thats a good point. Parade SDE might carry a 'Bangles' intended version. Even Prince vault don't have any info on whether it was worked on in 85 or not.

The version circulating seems like the completed 5th Feb 1987 mix. So a version #1 could be on the SOTT SDE that is the 1986 re-recording, but without the 1987 overdubs.

This would also make sense from a naming convention point of view. Its seems odd that its called 'Jealous girl #2' rather than 'Jealous Girl (1987 Version)', wich would make how they've named other songs on the set (ie. Teacher Teacher).

That said, it would seem a waste of a precious slot!

The numbering of versions is one of the reasons I'm starting to doubt this list. It hasn't been used before and is how the collectors have labelled them over the years.

Do you think we are being had?

It could be a false list, or poorly typed up.

I did think it was odd that Eggplant need 'Prince vocal' on the end, when the Wendy version has never been released, but that said, the estate has proven to give nods to fan leaks with names in the past, i.e., Electric Intercouse (Studio Version) and Computer Blue (Hallway Speech).

SquirrelMeat said:

Romeoblu said:

SquirrelMeat said: The numbering of versions is one of the reasons I'm starting to doubt this list. It hasn't been used before and is how the collectors have labelled them over the years.

Do you think we are being had?

It could be a false list, or poorly typed up.

I did think it was odd that Eggplant need 'Prince vocal' on the end, when the Wendy version has never been released, but that said, the estate has proven to give nods to fan leaks with names in the past, i.e., Electric Intercouse (Studio Version) and Computer Blue (Hallway Speech).

or possibly one of the TBA tracks is Eggplant (Wendy vocal)

SquirrelMeat said:

Romeoblu said:

If the deluxe edition isn't out officially, it is very possible Questlove got an advanced copy that he either had to import/tag himself or maybe the copy he was sent didn't have consistent tagging yet. Considering he was playing what were clearly Housequake and TBODP 2020 remasters - and he said things like "shh" when asked about showing his screen I believe it is legit

aalloca said:

as always i am ready willing and able to order right now.

In a large room with no light ........ nuff said.

Sign me up.

This set looks incredible.

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In A Large Room more than meets expectations!

VaultCurator said:

muleFunk said:

aalloca said:

as always i am ready willing and able to order right now.

In a large room with no light ........ nuff said.

Sign me up.

This set looks incredible.

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In A Large Room more than meets expectations!

I am not exaggerating when I say the only reason why I am getting the deluxe is because of this song in better quality.

glamlife2 said:

Seems a shame that the songs from Crystal Ball (1997) and a few others won't make this collection. It would be awesome to have all tracks from the era in the same set. Yes, we can fill in the blanks with some, but if they're not remastered in the same way as this set, they won't flow as well as they could...

That being said, it's hard to complain if this many tracks see the light of day!

These are the other tracks I'd love to see in the set:

Crystal Ball (Purple Underground Version)

Dream Factory (Dream Factory LP Version)

Movie Star (Dream Factory LP Version)

Crucial (Full Length w guitar)

Joy In Repetition (Full Length w intro)

U Got The Look (Full Length w banjo)

Play In The Sunshine (Crystal Ball LP Version w machine gun segue from ROTF)

Feel U Up (Camille LP Version)

Good Love (Camille LP Version)

Rock Hard In A Funky Place (Camille LP Version)

Hopefully Sony will re-release Crystal Ball in the not too distant future. There seems to be a general consensus that their Legacy releases have improved sound, so there is some hope at least that these songs will finally be available without the brickwalling.

i realize it's impossible to get it all out there, but i was / am really hoping there's an extended or otherwise new version of "The Cross" in the SD. just really love the horns at the end of the live arrangement and wonder if he committed them to tape ever or not

muleFunk said:

aalloca said:

as always i am ready willing and able to order right now.

In a large room with no light ........ nuff said.

Sign me up.

This set looks incredible.

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In A Large Room more than meets expectations!

I'm very happy for this, I regard this song as one his greatest achievements ever.

Maybe it was already discussed but the missing one is...."It's Gonna Be A beautiful Night" original version live from Paris Monday August 25th 1986! My first concert by the way..

We all have it through another way...

Anyway, whatever is released, I'm really happy & don't complain at all.

AZStreet said:

muleFunk said:

In A Large Room more than meets expectations!

I am not exaggerating when I say the only reason why I am getting the deluxe is because of this song in better quality.

Me too !!!

glamlife2 said:

Seems a shame that the songs from Crystal Ball (1997) and a few others won't make this collection. It would be awesome to have all tracks from the era in the same set. Yes, we can fill in the blanks with some, but if they're not remastered in the same way as this set, they won't flow as well as they could...

That being said, it's hard to complain if this many tracks see the light of day!

These are the other tracks I'd love to see in the set:

Crystal Ball (Purple Underground Version)

Dream Factory (Dream Factory LP Version)

Movie Star (Dream Factory LP Version)

Crucial (Full Length w guitar)

Joy In Repetition (Full Length w intro)

U Got The Look (Full Length w banjo)

Play In The Sunshine (Crystal Ball LP Version w machine gun segue from ROTF)

Feel U Up (Camille LP Version)

Good Love (Camille LP Version)

Rock Hard In A Funky Place (Camille LP Version)

Is there a real Banjo version of U Got The Look?

muleFunk said:

AZStreet said:

I am not exaggerating when I say the only reason why I am getting the deluxe is because of this song in better quality.

Me too !!!

I'm excited to hear it because I've never been in to this track. There's always been something sonically unpleasant to my ears with the bootleg versions. Definitely looking forward to a sonically superior version, assuming the 'reveal' is legit.

TheEnglishGent said:

muleFunk said:

Me too !!!

I'm excited to hear it because I've never been in to this track. There's always been something sonically unpleasant to my ears with the bootleg versions. Definitely looking forward to a sonically superior version, assuming the 'reveal' is legit.

I have a excellent copy that doesn't have that loss of vox on some copies. I just want it on a set where it belongs and if the sound quality is there mo better.

The bootleg version of "In A Large Room" also is played at the incorrect speed - in between two notes. I am guessing the original version will be slowed down slightly to mirror the same key that the re-recorded version in 2009 is in since it sounds more natural there as opposed to up to the next key

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glamlife2 said:

Seems a shame that the songs from Crystal Ball (1997) and a few others won't make this collection. It would be awesome to have all tracks from the era in the same set. Yes, we can fill in the blanks with some, but if they're not remastered in the same way as this set, they won't flow as well as they could...

That being said, it's hard to complain if this many tracks see the light of day!

These are the other tracks I'd love to see in the set:

Crystal Ball (Purple Underground Version)

Dream Factory (Dream Factory LP Version)

Movie Star (Dream Factory LP Version)

Crucial (Full Length w guitar)

Joy In Repetition (Full Length w intro)

U Got The Look (Full Length w banjo)

Play In The Sunshine (Crystal Ball LP Version w machine gun segue from ROTF)

Feel U Up (Camille LP Version)

Good Love (Camille LP Version)

Rock Hard In A Funky Place (Camille LP Version)

Joy and Play machine gun version would be a good add.

TheEnglishGent said:

muleFunk said:

Me too !!!

I'm excited to hear it because I've never been in to this track. There's always been something sonically unpleasant to my ears with the bootleg versions. Definitely looking forward to a sonically superior version, assuming the 'reveal' is legit.

I'm in the same boat. I hope this set makes me appreciate long-loved outtakes such as "In a Large Room With No Light", "All My Dreams", and "Rebirth of the Flesh" more than I do.

Moonbeam said:

TheEnglishGent said:

I'm excited to hear it because I've never been in to this track. There's always been something sonically unpleasant to my ears with the bootleg versions. Definitely looking forward to a sonically superior version, assuming the 'reveal' is legit.

I'm in the same boat. I hope this set makes me appreciate long-loved outtakes such as "In a Large Room With No Light", "All My Dreams", and "Rebirth of the Flesh" more than I do.

Great songs athe three of them.

Militant said:

Just to be clear, I have never once claimed to have exclusive information on this project, because I don't. All I've done is try and share the same information that we see circulating.

It often seems that some folks think of "insider" as being some sort of binary term. Either someone is an insider or they are not in the loop. That's never been the case for someone like me. The only real insiders never speak, never share what they know, and never even hint that they might know something in a public space.

That doesn't happen, because they would burn bridges. They are content to know things and for other people to not know those things.

For me? The entire value of knowing something comes from sharing it and starting a discussion. It's the discussion that I enjoy! If it was just about me knowing something, I'd never say shit.

When I leaked the PR Deluxe tracklist, Warners were upset and tried to cease-and-desist. So that's a bridge burned. To this day I have no direct relationship with anyone at WB.

When I was the first to confirm the existence of 1999 Deluxe, some 18 months before it finally came out, that landed in my lap by chance. I was in LA, and an industry friend had been at a small event with some WB folks and Mike Howe, and it was said in a private conversation which my friend then relayed to me. I sat on it for ages because I didn't want to risk someone else's relationship.

When I confirmed P/Mic '83, that was through one tip from someone here who had managed to confirm the name of one particular song, and some interstitial information, which after some cross reference meant that the 1983 rehearsal tape was the only possible thing it could be. Unfortunately, for reasons I am not clear on, that person has taken a shot at me since then, which is disappointing, as I considered that person a friend and had a lot of respect for them. Not sure what I did to piss them off, but nobody likes to lose a friend.

With some of the finer points closer to the 1999 Deluxe release, I received conflicting info and had to make a judgement call. Can't win them all - but I do believe that Extra and Lust were remastered and were pulled at the last minute and replaced with the tour sampler.

Last year, we had some nice opportunities - it was Sony that reached out to offer us the exclusive unboxings of Emancipation/Chaos/Versace. I didn't request it. I don't prod them to keep doing it. That's up to them, and I'm certainly not entitled enough to expect it. If they felt that the coverage we did didn't move the needle on sales/hype/promotion, then that's a business call. It might yet turn out that the ONA set doesn't perform as well as Emancipation etc, and they'll reach out again to us and other fans to do something. Likewise, it was Penguin UK that reached out to offer us the exclusive on the book.

Between these things and the interviews we've done, there's this perception of there being some kind of close loop between various stakeholders. That's really not the case. It's more like a bunch of disparate threads, and the best thing you can really do is try and find out snippets from as many places as possible and try and tie things together. Sometimes people might say something to me before or after an interview that directly connects with something I've picked up somewhere else, so you have to try and join the dots where you can.

I understand there are people here that don't appreciate my methods or seem to have some kind of personal issue with the things I've shared or the tone or anything like that, and that's fine. I don't lose any sleep over it. But at the same time, the effort/value paradigm is obviously off if I'm tried very hard to locate information to share (whether it ends up being correct or not) and then I just get shade thrown over it. I don't have to do anything, and like I said, if it was about me and me wanting to know stuff, then I wouldn't share anything at all.

Ultimately I'll probably take a step back and not spend so much time digging. I have a couple of bits of info that aren't out there yet, because I haven't been able to connect them together in a way that feels worth sharing (it's about some songs that have been registered by the estate recently, but not clear on what connects them or if there's anything to indicate release) but after that, unless something lands in my lap, I'm not sure if it's worth continuing to hunt down info.

As a side note, I very much do not believe that Questlove shared what he shared by accident. Take it as guerilla marketing, and by the amount of conversation happening, it obviously worked! Whether those songs are truly representative, or some were just to throw off the trail is something we won't know until there's an announcement.

Peace!

I, for one, appreciate the nuggets that you and a few others on the org have shared. It's great that there are fans like you who put in a lot of work and are willing to share that with the fanbase at large, so my hat is off to you!

If you want some feedback regarding why you feel the effort/value paradigm isn't what you would hope it to be, I think some fans have been a bit turned off by what they see as outwardly using the information you have to garner a following rather than letting that following build more naturally as a result of sharing that information. I also think some of the informed predictions you have shared have been perceived as definitive statements of what will happen and that resulted in disappointment when these predictions did not end up being right. I think some of these are fair calls, but that hasn't stopped me from happily being a subscriber to your YouTube channel! I've been loving your chonlogical series of 5 facts about Prince albums we may not have known.

You're up against other factors that are beyond your control as well: there are some fans who may simply be jealous that you have this information in the first place and they don't, not acknowledging the work you have put in to be in that position. There is certainly an aversion among some of the fanbase toward anyone seeming to profit off of Prince's work. Ultimately, it's hard to build something substantial as you have without alienating some of the fanbase, diverse as it is.

I understand if you choose to not continue sharing information on the org or other places if you don't feel it is worth it anymore. The Prince crowd is a tough one to please, and the spotlight seems to shine most brightly on criticism, both fair and unfair. I think not enough credit is given to you and others for the work that goes into gathering information and presenting it.

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slyjackson said:

Moonbeam said:

I'm in the same boat. I hope this set makes me appreciate long-loved outtakes such as "In a Large Room With No Light", "All My Dreams", and "Rebirth of the Flesh" more than I do.

Great songs athe three of them.

I like each of them to varying degrees, but I'm not head-over-heels in love with them as many seem to be. I'm hoping this set will help me finally get them.