RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa were such great and accomplished song writers, capable of constucting a masterpiece like Mountains, how come of the 5 albums they are credited with releasing in over 33 years, they have ZERO hit records and not one song of their own that most music fans can name... not one...at all... ever... even their hard core fans probably have to use google to name any Wendy & Lisa songs or albums.. like JayZ (aka J-Hova) told his estranged business partner Damon Dash, on wax: "..I heard motherf#####s saying they made Hov, Made Hov say, "Okay, so make another Hov...." so....ok Wendy & Lisa, make another "Mountains"

They have many great songs, and YES their fans can absolutely name many or most of them.

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They were marketed wrong back in the late 80's. Their label should have gone the alt music route instead of trying to do the Pop circuit. Many of their songs would have done well on my alternative college radio station.

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Also, they gained huge recognition as Prince's backing musicians for this most popular band, so leaving that was quite a difficult mountain (pun intended) to climb.

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And don't forget - Mountains is a great song and beloved by the hard core Prince fans from back in the day, but it was not any kind of chart topper back in '86. Kiss was his big chart song back then.

violetcrush said:

Just to set the record straight, W&L's co-writing contributions on Mountains, Sometimes It's Snows In April and Power Fantastic may not have been credited on the albums, but they were copyrighted by Prince when he registered the songs at ASCAP (as can be verified by searching the Universal Publishing database https://www.umusicpub.com...ary/search). So those clowns who are now trying to take advantage of other fans' lack of factual knowledge to rewrite history and claim that W&L are making up shit and claiming credits where credit is not due are just wasting everyone's time by pretending there is cause for debate where there is none. This is really annoying because it doesn't take 3 minutes to do the proper research on a free, public database!! In certain cases it's hard to verify claims by various associates because there are contradicting versions, or the person making the co-writing claim isn't backed up by other associates or material evidence, but here the case was closed before it was even opened!

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NOW there is the case of SISIA being mentioned as existing as early as 1977, and this was known before P's memoir was published since Dez auctioned a cassette some years back that contained this early version. By Dez' own words it was an unfinished, “virtually unrecognizable version” of the song (https://consequenceofsoun...r-auction/). Sadly, Princevault did not add this information to the song's entry, so admitedly this information was a little harder to find if one didn't already know about it, but it still shows the importance of doing one's homework before calling people liars. Nevertheless, whomever ended-up with this cassette unfortunately chose not to leak its content, but we already have enough information to determine that it was a very different song from the 1985 version, which easily explains how W&L could contribute and get credit on that final version.

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I apologize for going all Bart and calling people clowns, but in the end I end-up wasting my time writing this after TWO PAGES of a completely pointless debate, started by people who think they've just invented the wheel but don't have a clue what they're talking about, while the information was there for all to see without spending too much time researching it. This is annoying and I hope these fellow fans will learn to do some research before throwing accusations and trying to put nonsense in other people's heads.

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Peace

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa were such great and accomplished song writers, capable of constucting a masterpiece like Mountains, how come of the 5 albums they are credited with releasing in over 33 years, they have ZERO hit records

I mean, they did win an Emmy to go along with their Oscar.

If Mountains was made in collaboration with Prince, why would they need to make hits without Prince to prove that happened?

Do you also dispute that Dr. Fink created music for Dirty Mind? Can that be discredited because he doesn't have hits on his own?

the part that i don't understand is.....nobody is disputing this but everybody disputes everything Sheila E. says. not to mention people act like Prince never did anything of merit before or after wendy and lisa. are they great musicians, songwriters, etc.? yes. their first 2-3 albums are great. but they are not the end all be all

lavendardrummachine said:

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa were such great and accomplished song writers, capable of constucting a masterpiece like Mountains, how come of the 5 albums they are credited with releasing in over 33 years, they have ZERO hit records

I mean, they did win an Emmy to go along with their Oscar.

If Mountains was made in collaboration with Prince, why would they need to make hits without Prince to prove that happened?

Do you also dispute that Dr. Fink created music for Dirty Mind? Can that be discredited because he doesn't have hits on his own?

RJOrion is cool in my book but here he's just messing with us by throwing a totally absurd NON-argument to our face, and I'm afraid you're wasting your time trying to reason with him under such circumstances (you can't oppose a counter-argument to a non-argument, you'll just plunge into deeper absurdity with the person you're trying to reason with). Anyway the debate was unecessary in the first place, as explained by my post above about the songs' registrations.

RJOrion said:

with all due respect to everyone in this thread...no one can successfully name any "great songs" by Wendy & Lisa that didnt include the great Prince Nelson...and the Emmy they won was for a TV show theme song, not a single released to the public... and databank i respect and admire your vast knowledge of all things Prince, but im just not buying the alleged genius and brilliance of Wendy Melvoin and Lisa Coleman as song-writers/arrangers/composers...im sure they may have contributed a little something to Prince's catalog while they were in the crew, but they i feel they get, and take, FAR too much credit for Prince's music...

Maybe but none of what you say is relevant to the topic at hand, which is their undeniable contribution to Mountains (as well as SISIA and PF). And your original post clearly was in denial of such contributions, but even before I solved the matter with factual data, your non-argument wasn't going to help anyone determine the truth.

Since there is nothing to debate about W&L's credits anymore, let us take an example where we lack solid evidence to back-up someone's claims. You cannot dismiss André's claims to be the author of Let's Work's bassline by saying "if André Cymone was such a great and accomplished songwriter, capable of constructing a masterpiece like Let's Work, how come of the 5 albums he credited with releasing in over 38 years, he has ZERO hit records and not one song of his own that most music fans can name". This is not a reasoning that can help us determine whether André's claims are real or not, if only because lots of your premises are wrong (basically everything is wrong in your reasoning, besides not helping us to determine what happened or not back then in the studio). No help at all. Zero. Peanuts. And I'm pretty sure you know it.

Now if you want to say W&L or anyone else are overrated as artists or whatever, this is another debate, that maybe deserves another thread, and everyone's opinion is respectable in such a debate. But here we were discussing a thing that was a matter of facts, did it or did it not happen. Opinions have nothing to do with it

Anyway, to your credit, you're not the one who started this absurd "debate" in the first place. Peace, my friend

RJOrion said:

violetcrush said:

They have many great songs, and YES their fans can absolutely name many or most of them.

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They were marketed wrong back in the late 80's. Their label should have gone the alt music route instead of trying to do the Pop circuit. Many of their songs would have done well on my alternative college radio station.

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Also, they gained huge recognition as Prince's backing musicians for this most popular band, so leaving that was quite a difficult mountain (pun intended) to climb.

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And don't forget - Mountains is a great song and beloved by the hard core Prince fans from back in the day, but it was not any kind of chart topper back in '86. Kiss was his big chart song back then.

"many great songs"... ok, name one...the highest ANY of their alleged "great songs" ever charted in the US was "Waterfall" at #56...if you ask almost any fan of music if they remember a song called "Waterfall", they'd say, "Sure...that was a hit record by T.L.C....i mean you no ill will and i have no beef with you at all, but please tell me the names and chart positions and maybe some awards or documented critical acclaim for any of these great songs you speak of

Ah, so music is only worth something if it tops charts? I guess that means the long stretch of Prince's own career when he didn't have any hit singles didn't mean shit, huh. No wonder people only focus on his 80's output then

Seriously, what a ridiculously dumb way of trying to diminish the legacy of some musicians that you personally don't like. Wendy isn't trying to take credit for Prince's success and entire legacy, she's just proud of her involvement in arguably the best decade of his career. All of this nonsense about charts and awards, but I bet you wouldn't hesitate to trash anything related to the Grammys or Billboard and the artists celebrated by those institutions today...

mbdtyler said:

databank said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I mean, they did win an Emmy to go along with their Oscar.

If Mountains was made in collaboration with Prince, why would they need to make hits without Prince to prove that happened?

Do you also dispute that Dr. Fink created music for Dirty Mind? Can that be discredited because he doesn't have hits on his own?

RJOrion is cool in my book but here he's just messing with us by throwing a totally absurd NON-argument to our face, and I'm afraid you're wasting your time trying to reason with him under such circumstances (you can't oppose a counter-argument to a non-argument, you'll just plunge into deeper absurdity with the person you're trying to reason with). Anyway the debate was unecessary in the first place, as explained by my post above about the songs' registrations.

Yes, agree about cool. Also about messing with us. I get tired of the selective sensitivity/outrage. In this case, using RJ's own logic that places huge emphasis on hits, we can conclude something with which I utterly disagree. We could conclude: thank goodness for the infinitely superior talent of those associates connected to Prince's enormous string of huge hits. After all, Prince wasn't able to accomplish this with other collaborators.

We'd have to conclude that other collaborators just pale in comparison, most especially those who worked with Prince when he wasn't charting at all.

Personally, though I don't love every song, I think Prince created sublime music throughout his entire career, and I think he worked with extremely talented associates throughout his entire career.

RJOrion said:

mbdtyler said:

Ah, so music is only worth something if it tops charts? I guess that means the long stretch of Prince's own career when he didn't have any hit singles didn't mean shit, huh. No wonder people only focus on his 80's output then

Seriously, what a ridiculously dumb way of trying to diminish the legacy of some musicians that you personally don't like. Wendy isn't trying to take credit for Prince's success and entire legacy, she's just proud of her involvement in arguably the best decade of his career. All of this nonsense about charts and awards, but I bet you wouldn't hesitate to trash anything related to the Grammys or Billboard and the artists celebrated by those institutions today...

cool...so you cant name ONE good/great song by Wendy & Lisa either...i only referenced charts because that (along with record sales, and tour ticket sales) is one of the tangible measuring sticks for determining an artist's success...hopefully you can somehow get over that...men an women lie...numbers dont. [Edited 5/11/20 18:56pm]

Great songs by Wendy & Lisa:

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First Album - 1987

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Stay

Song About

Waterfall

Everything But You

The Life - used in the film Dangerous Minds

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Second Album - 1989

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Lolly Lolly - of which Prince actually recorded a re-mix

Satisfaction

I Think It Was December

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Third Album - 1990

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Mother Of Pearl

Skeleton Key

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Closing Of The Year - song for the film Toys, and an amazing holiday song

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White Flags of Winter Chimneys - 2008

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Water To The Wave

Invisible

Balloon

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Plus their Emmy win in 2010 for scoring Nurse Jackie.

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So, yeah - they've done some great stuff after Prince.

rednblue said:

databank said:

RJOrion is cool in my book but here he's just messing with us by throwing a totally absurd NON-argument to our face, and I'm afraid you're wasting your time trying to reason with him under such circumstances (you can't oppose a counter-argument to a non-argument, you'll just plunge into deeper absurdity with the person you're trying to reason with). Anyway the debate was unecessary in the first place, as explained by my post above about the songs' registrations.

Yes, agree about cool. Also about messing with us. I get tired of the selective sensitivity/outrage. In this case, using RJ's own logic that places huge emphasis on hits, we can conclude something with which I utterly disagree. We could conclude: thank goodness for the infinitely superior talent of those associates connected to Prince's enormous string of huge hits. After all, Prince wasn't able to accomplish this with other collaborators.

We'd have to conclude that other collaborators just pale in comparison, most especially those who worked with Prince when he wasn't charting at all.

Personally, though I don't love every song, I think Prince created sublime music throughout his entire career, and I think he worked with extremely talented associates throughout his entire career.

Yes, Prince made good/great music off and on after his 80's run, but there's no doubt that some of his best was during the time that Wendy and Lisa were playing with him.

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The three of them had a strong connection, and he loved what they brought to the table. I don't recall him writing and dedicating In This Bed I Scream for any other associates

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

rednblue said:

Yes, agree about cool. Also about messing with us. I get tired of the selective sensitivity/outrage. In this case, using RJ's own logic that places huge emphasis on hits, we can conclude something with which I utterly disagree. We could conclude: thank goodness for the infinitely superior talent of those associates connected to Prince's enormous string of huge hits. After all, Prince wasn't able to accomplish this with other collaborators.

We'd have to conclude that other collaborators just pale in comparison, most especially those who worked with Prince when he wasn't charting at all.

Personally, though I don't love every song, I think Prince created sublime music throughout his entire career, and I think he worked with extremely talented associates throughout his entire career.

Yes, Prince made good/great music off and on after his 80's run, but there's no doubt that some of his best was during the time that Wendy and Lisa were playing with him.

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The three of them had a strong connection, and he loved what they brought to the table. I don't recall him writing and dedicating In This Bed I Scream for any other associates

I love many songs from that era. As you may have understood, my comment wasn't intended to diminish it in any way.

I was pointing to a conclusion that follows from the logic of RJ's strongly worded statements.

[Edited 5/11/20 20:37pm]

Wendy and Lisa were fantastic musicians who added a unique flavor to Prince's creative vision in the 80's, and released plenty of meaningful and well-produced music on their own. End of story. I'm not wasting any more time responding to RJ's bad faith arguments and I'd encourage others to do the same

I love when W&L share details like this. The Revolution was such a great band.

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa were such great and accomplished song writers, capable of constucting a masterpiece like Mountains, how come of the 5 albums they are credited with releasing in over 33 years, they have ZERO hit records and not one song of their own that most music fans can name... not one...at all... ever... even their hard core fans probably have to use google to name any Wendy & Lisa songs or albums.. like JayZ (aka J-Hova) told his estranged business partner Damon Dash, on wax: "..I heard motherf#####s saying they made Hov, Made Hov say, "Okay, so make another Hov...." so....ok Wendy & Lisa, make another "Mountains"

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From what you write, i can only 'read' that the most important measure for you is making a HIT record.

Well, they cared much more about the music than being famous.

proof :

5 albums with different labels,

4 full music score albums,

3 best-of albums,

1 remix album and 1 EP

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They technically share the honor of winners of a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution (Purpe Rain).

They won two Grammys, and the Oscar for Best Original Score.

In 2010 they received an Emmy.

They received the ASCAP award for Composers of the Year.

They were nominated for an Emmy in 2010.

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Cause you say they made ZERO hit records.

Her's a couple that not only in the US but also overseas were in charts :

- Waterfalls,

- Sideshow,

- Honeymoon Express,

- This Is The Light,

- Lolly-Lolly,

- Strung Out,

- Satisfaction,

- Waterfall '89,

- Rainbow Lake,

- Don't Try To Tell Me,

- The Closing Of The Year,

to na-me some.

So, more than the 5 albums they released in over 33 years is what you say they did ?

They wrote tons of music scores ;

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Carnivale,

Hearoes,

Nurse Jacky,

Touch,

Toys,

Crossing Jordan,

Dangerous Minds,

Shades Of Blue,

Bionic Woman,

Wine Country,

Something New,

Hav Plenty

-

They also did colaborative session works, or wrote songs with/for :

-

Seal,

KD Lang,

Joni Mitchell

Meshell NdegeOcello,

Pearl Jam

Terence Trent D'arby

Lisa Germano

Lisa Marie Presley

Liz Phair

Michael Penn

Grace Jones

Tricky

The Three O'Clock

Uh Huh Her

The Orb

Nelle Hooper

William Orbit

Sheryl Crow

Victoria Williams

Rob Thomas

Gwen Stefani

Skye Edwards

Scritte Politti

Nerina Pallot

OK Go

Madonna

The Like

Nina Gordon

fDeluxe

The Family

Doyle Bramhall II

Nikka Costa

Adré Cymone

Kate Earl

Eric Clapton

Bettye Lavette

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and I might have forgotten some.

-

In the 90's they worked with produced Trevor Horn on several movie projects.

They even recorded a full unreleased album with him that took a very long time to make.

But Trevor Horn's wife was homophobic and caused the whole intense project to be shelved.

-

They were a couple and somewhere in those 33 years they split up.

That needs time to re emerge.

But they decided to go on as the 'label' Wendy&Lisa which gave them the credit they deserve for writing a lot of muscial scores and be serious skilled musicians.

They have always been heavily involved as studio musicians.

In the meantime they performed live on their own, as well as with other musicians.

Did a some individual side projects seperately... (Neil Finn's album, Lisa recently released a solo album 'Collage', which is wonderful by the way, etc)

They're back on tour with The Revolution, no need to say more.

Again, these are MUSICIANS we're talking about, with more than proven and recognised serious musical skills.

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What concernes the track Mountains...

ANY song they wrote on their Album EROICA is even better.

And what about the other tracks on other albums ?

-

Besides hits, there is something called craftmanship and commitment and professionalism.

They were more than any other protégée or collaborator from Prince's camp capable of reaching out so far in the musians music world, and being taken seiously for their capabilities and creativity, and still up to this day.

(And don't mention the hit machine Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis... it's very very different, but also great.)

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Peace though

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[Edited 5/12/20 1:51am]

RJOrion said:

violetcrush said:

Great songs by Wendy & Lisa:

*

First Album - 1987

*

Stay

Song About

Waterfall

Everything But You

The Life - used in the film Dangerous Minds

*

Second Album - 1989

*

Lolly Lolly - of which Prince actually recorded a re-mix

Satisfaction

I Think It Was December

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Third Album - 1990

*

Mother Of Pearl

Skeleton Key

*

Closing Of The Year - song for the film Toys, and an amazing holiday song

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White Flags of Winter Chimneys - 2008

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Water To The Wave

Invisible

Balloon

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Plus their Emmy win in 2010 for scoring Nurse Jackie.

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So, yeah - they've done some great stuff after Prince.

im quite sure you had to look all that stuff up...i applaud your extensive research, but the vast majority of music listeners (whether critics or fans or other musicians) either never heard of any of those songs and/or dont share your opinion on how "good/great" those songs are/were...Prince made great music before and after Wendy & Lisa...whether they charted or didnt chart...he made consistently great music on his first 4 albums, and from "Sign O The Times" until he died...and he didnt need ANY help from Wendy & Lisa, nor were they missed...there's a reason he fired them for good, and kept The Doctor (Matt Fink)...they were ultimately disposable [Edited 5/11/20 20:28pm]

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I actually OWN the Eroica CD, and have known about their music for years. I would have listened to it more back in the 80's and early 90's had their label marketed them the right way. I was in college by then and listening to alternative rock stations, however, their videos for Waterfall, Satisfaction, Strung Out, and Sideshow were on constant rotation on MTV. Also Closing of the Year when it came out in '92.

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Wendy and Lisa are by far the Prince associates who've had the most steady career and biggest accolades over the years.

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Oh, and I almost forgot - they wrote and produced music for Seal's second album.

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AGAIN....there's a reason Prince wrote In This Bed I Scream for them (and Susannah). He loved working with them, and there's no doubt they inspired his music.

I think it's cool to be able to hear origin stories about some of our favorite tracks. And I don't get why the news that some of these songs were more of a collaborative effort would detract from the greatness of them.

Prince proved hundreds and hundreds of times over that he could do it all himself, and he also proved that in some instances he was a great collaborator. He did credit these albums to Prince & The Revolution, just as he credited a couple to Prince & The NPG. It would make sense that some of the reason for that was they were more collaborative in nature.

Former band membors talking about their contributions does not negate the greatness of Prince, nor does it imply that they are taking credit for his success. We know it's all about Prince, and that without him, there's nothing to talk about. This news has some people acting like possessive girlfriends or something, and I think it's a bit petty, and just plain silly.

Vannormal said:

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa were such great and accomplished song writers, capable of constucting a masterpiece like Mountains, how come of the 5 albums they are credited with releasing in over 33 years, they have ZERO hit records and not one song of their own that most music fans can name... not one...at all... ever... even their hard core fans probably have to use google to name any Wendy & Lisa songs or albums.. like JayZ (aka J-Hova) told his estranged business partner Damon Dash, on wax: "..I heard motherf#####s saying they made Hov, Made Hov say, "Okay, so make another Hov...." so....ok Wendy & Lisa, make another "Mountains"

-

From what you write, i can only 'read' that the most important measure for you is making a HIT record.

Well, they cared much more about the music than being famous.

proof :

5 albums with different labels,

4 full music score albums,

3 best-of albums,

1 remix album and 1 EP

-

They technically share the honor of winners of a Grammy and Oscar for being part of The Revolution (Purpe Rain).

They won two Grammys, and the Oscar for Best Original Score.

In 2010 they received an Emmy.

They received the ASCAP award for Composers of the Year.

They were nominated for an Emmy in 2010.

-

Cause you say they made ZERO hit records.

Her's a couple that not only in the US but also overseas were in charts :

- Waterfalls,

- Sideshow,

- Honeymoon Express,

- This Is The Light,

- Lolly-Lolly,

- Strung Out,

- Satisfaction,

- Waterfall '89,

- Rainbow Lake,

- Don't Try To Tell Me,

- The Closing Of The Year,

to na-me some.

So, more than the 5 albums they released in over 33 years is what you say they did ?

They wrote tons of music scores ;

-

Carnivale,

Hearoes,

Nurse Jacky,

Touch,

Toys,

Crossing Jordan,

Dangerous Minds,

Shades Of Blue,

Bionic Woman,

Wine Country,

Something New,

Hav Plenty

-

They also did colaborative session works, or wrote songs with/for :

-

Seal,

KD Lang,

Joni Mitchell

Meshell NdegeOcello,

Pearl Jam

Terence Trent D'arby

Lisa Germano

Lisa Marie Presley

Liz Phair

Michael Penn

Grace Jones

Tricky

The Three O'Clock

Uh Huh Her

The Orb

Nelle Hooper

William Orbit

Sheryl Crow

Victoria Williams

Rob Thomas

Gwen Stefani

Skye Edwards

Scritte Politti

Nerina Pallot

OK Go

Madonna

The Like

Nina Gordon

fDeluxe

The Family

Doyle Bramhall II

Nikka Costa

Adré Cymone

Kate Earl

Eric Clapton

Bettye Lavette

-

and I might have forgotten some.

-

In the 90's they worked with produced Trevor Horn on several movie projects.

They even recorded a full unreleased album with him that took a very long time to make.

But Trevor Horn's wife was homophobic and caused the whole intense project to be shelved.

-

They were a couple and somewhere in those 33 years they split up.

That needs time to re emerge.

But they decided to go on as the 'label' Wendy&Lisa which gave them the credit they deserve for writing a lot of muscial scores and be serious skilled musicians.

They have always been heavily involved as studio musicians.

In the meantime they performed live on their own, as well as with other musicians.

Did a some individual side projects seperately... (Neil Finn's album, Lisa recently released a solo album 'Collage', which is wonderful by the way, etc)

They're back on tour with The Revolution, no need to say more.

Again, these are MUSICIANS we're talking about, with more than proven and recognised serious musical skills.

-

What concernes the track Mountains...

ANY song they wrote on their Album EROICA is even better.

And what about the other tracks on other albums ?

-

Besides hits, there is something called craftmanship and commitment and professionalism.

They were more than any other protégée or collaborator from Prince's camp capable of reaching out so far in the musians music world, and being taken seiously for their capabilities and creativity, and still up to this day.

(And don't mention the hit machine Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis... it's very very different, but also great.)

-

Peace though

-

[Edited 5/12/20 1:51am]

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NAILED IT Vannormal!!!

*

Thanks for putting their detailed and thorough resume here. They are both very respected in the industry, and have collaborated with SO many great artists.

*

There is an old '92/'93 press interview on YT that Seal did for his second album. The journalist asks him about his planning for that album, to which he responds "well, I wanted to work with Wendy and Lisa..."

[Edited 5/12/20 5:37am]

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think it's cool to be able to hear origin stories about some of our favorite tracks. And I don't get why the news that some of these songs were more of a collaborative effort would detract from the greatness of them.

Prince proved hundreds and hundreds of times over that he could do it all himself, and he also proved that in some instances he was a great collaborator. He did credit these albums to Prince & The Revolution, just as he credited a couple to Prince & The NPG. It would make sense that some of the reason for that was they were more collaborative in nature.

Former band membors talking about their contributions does not negate the greatness of Prince, nor does it imply that they are taking credit for his success. We know it's all about Prince, and that without him, there's nothing to talk about. This news has some people acting like possessive girlfriends or something, and I think it's a bit petty, and just plain silly.

Right. Part of Prince's greatness was finding and picking those musicians with whom he knew he would produce the music that inspired him at a particular time.

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At times he picked new musiciians that he mentored, because he saw their potential, and at other times he picked seasoned musicians, because he knew they would add a certain something to his music. I think with Wendy and Lisa the musical inspiration went both ways betweem them and Prince. It all fit together for what Prince wanted to express at that time.

OperatingThetan said:

Gradually, they will have written the music to every Prince and the Revolution song and Prince will be reduced to a mere lyricist. I'm not doubting their contributions. Only the increased importance they accord themselves on every retelling. * [Edited 5/8/20 14:25pm] [Edited 5/8/20 14:26pm] [Edited 5/8/20 14:26pm]

It is no wonder Prince cleared his music house of would be geniuses. I am so amazed that with all the talent they say they had and the huge contribution to the success of Prince, that they all didn't have solo careers that paralled that of Prince's. Oh! Ofcourse they didn't have that inspiration around them to push them to great height. A genius, no less. They were all very talented but it takes that drive and hard work to achieve the success of a genius. It is God given.

violetcrush said:

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Wendy and Lisa are by far the Prince associates who've had the most steady career and biggest accolades over the years.

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So Sheila E. didn't have a steady career or accolades? What about Carmen Electra? Ok, maybe no accolades for Carmen, but you can't deny she's hasn't had a relatively steady career.

daft not to give W&L credit where credit is actually due. I hate the fact that Wendy, amongst others have bigged themselves up in recent years re their contributions etc BUT there has to be a fair balance. I have no issues with acknowledging their actual contributions. Look at how much Bowie collaborated on song writing, production & musicians - his legacy is still untarnished.

violetcrush said:

Great songs by Wendy & Lisa:

*

First Album - 1987

*

Stay

Song About

Waterfall

Everything But You

The Life - used in the film Dangerous Minds

*

Second Album - 1989

*

Lolly Lolly - of which Prince actually recorded a re-mix

Satisfaction

I Think It Was December

*

Third Album - 1990

*

Mother Of Pearl

Skeleton Key

*

Closing Of The Year - song for the film Toys, and an amazing holiday song

*

White Flags of Winter Chimneys - 2008

*

Water To The Wave

Invisible

Balloon

*

Plus their Emmy win in 2010 for scoring Nurse Jackie.

*

So, yeah - they've done some great stuff after Prince.

Agreed. Not sure why it's so hard for some Prince fans to acknowledge others contributions to his music. It's kind of why us as Prince fans can't really have nice things...

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think it's cool to be able to hear origin stories about some of our favorite tracks. And I don't get why the news that some of these songs were more of a collaborative effort would detract from the greatness of them.

Prince proved hundreds and hundreds of times over that he could do it all himself, and he also proved that in some instances he was a great collaborator. He did credit these albums to Prince & The Revolution, just as he credited a couple to Prince & The NPG. It would make sense that some of the reason for that was they were more collaborative in nature.

Former band membors talking about their contributions does not negate the greatness of Prince, nor does it imply that they are taking credit for his success. We know it's all about Prince, and that without him, there's nothing to talk about. This news has some people acting like possessive girlfriends or something, and I think it's a bit petty, and just plain silly.

This is an EXCELLENT response Schlomo!! I just wanted to give you props for it. Thanks!

ThirdStrike said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I think it's cool to be able to hear origin stories about some of our favorite tracks. And I don't get why the news that some of these songs were more of a collaborative effort would detract from the greatness of them.

Prince proved hundreds and hundreds of times over that he could do it all himself, and he also proved that in some instances he was a great collaborator. He did credit these albums to Prince & The Revolution, just as he credited a couple to Prince & The NPG. It would make sense that some of the reason for that was they were more collaborative in nature.

Former band membors talking about their contributions does not negate the greatness of Prince, nor does it imply that they are taking credit for his success. We know it's all about Prince, and that without him, there's nothing to talk about. This news has some people acting like possessive girlfriends or something, and I think it's a bit petty, and just plain silly.

This is an EXCELLENT response Schlomo!! I just wanted to give you props for it. Thanks!

Thank you, ThirdStrike.