jaawwnn said:

lrn36 said:

To be clear, I wasn't criticizing her songwriting abilities just her musicianship and performance. When she first came on the scene, I though her minimalist approach was her style. But now I realize she is just limited. in that moment, any accomplished guitarist wouldn't miss a chance to show off a little and she didn't. Check out MonoNeon's fantastic rhythm guitar on Let's Work. That's a talented guitarist showing off without losing the essense of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/w...iqjnUftPYI

Mononeon is a very talented player who has never written a song anyone outside of the guitar nerd community cares about. St Vincent's guitarring has its limits alright but they're way higher than most singer-songwriters, which is what she primarily is.

As for her performances, you are correct about the "stilted" thing, her last tour worked very well because she leaned into that.

Leaned into paralysis? Disappointing on guitar here too, no passion. Not wearing pants is no excuse for having NO moves. She's wealthy, take some dance lessons or at least learn how to walk a runway and sing at the same time. Otherwise stick with songwriting, yawn.

I've seen Mononeon, he kills onstage and a lot of people care about it. Prince chose to play with him.

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Empress said:

Very entertaining show. I thought everyone did a great job! H.E.R. was fantastic and it was great seeing all the old timers, Morris, Sheila, etc.....Loved it! Many people at my work that are not even Prince fans watched it and they all said how much they enjoyed it. Lots of love out there for Prince.

poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

Mononeon is a very talented player who has never written a song anyone outside of the guitar nerd community cares about. St Vincent's guitarring has its limits alright but they're way higher than most singer-songwriters, which is what she primarily is.

As for her performances, you are correct about the "stilted" thing, her last tour worked very well because she leaned into that.

Leaned into paralysis? Disappointing on guitar here too, no passion. Not wearing pants is no excuse for having NO moves. She's wealthy, take some dance lessons or at least learn how to walk a runway and sing at the same time. Otherwise stick with songwriting, yawn.

Yes, the whole show was on rails aside from her guitar and vocals. I've found her disappointing live before because she's not the most instinctive of performers so having it very planned out made for a great show. I haven't watched this performance and have no real desire to so won't comment on it.

I've seen Mononeon, he kills onstage and a lot of people care about it. Prince chose to play with him.

I'm sure he does, St. Vincent should hire him for her live act, he'd make a good counterpoint to her.

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lrn36 said:

I realized Sheila, the Time, and the Revolution aren't much without Prince. The Time use the same arrangements and routines from '81 to '84. Sheila just copies everything Prince did. And the Revolution lacked energy and seemed lost without him. As bland as some of the younger artists were, at least, they tried to make his songs their own, they just lacked the musical ability to do it justice.

Beck, Foo Fighters, and EWF were the best of the night.

This comment is kind of ridiculous. Esp if you are going to contrast it to Beck's performance.

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He literally stood there and strummed an acoustic guitar while SHEILA's BACKING band played the song.

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He looked like David Spade in a beige Prince suit, which was kind of cute, but how you are going to say that actually added something to the performance vs. Wendy makes no sense.

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I do agree that the Revolution seemed a little flat compared to when I've seen them in person, but Wendy actually did much better on the guitar solos this time, probably on purpose.

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And Sheila doesn't copy Prince, she actually changes the arrangements, using nods to the classic concerts but adds her own extra, more jazzy elements to them with additional passing chords and subtle things.

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The Time of course is going to do the classic arragnements given this is the original 7 who amost never are together anymore. And they have always performed without Prince, so even though he trained them, even he was "scared" of them live as is well documented.

poppys said:

jaawwnn said:

Mononeon is a very talented player who has never written a song anyone outside of the guitar nerd community cares about. St Vincent's guitarring has its limits alright but they're way higher than most singer-songwriters, which is what she primarily is.

As for her performances, you are correct about the "stilted" thing, her last tour worked very well because she leaned into that.

Leaned into paralysis? Disappointing on guitar here too, no passion. Not wearing pants is no excuse for having NO moves. She's wealthy, take some dance lessons or at least learn how to walk a runway and sing at the same time. Otherwise stick with songwriting, yawn.

I've seen Mononeon, he kills onstage and a lot of people care about it. Prince chose to play with him.

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2020 said:

Bravo! 👏 I loved all of it. Gotta hand it to Sheila E as the music director she nailed it. However seeing her pop up on many of the performances gave me a lemon cake 🍰 kinda sour in my mouth! Yes to more Revolution they killed it! Foos fun and awesome performance Beck sounded excellent and after seeing this song performed live and the paisley show this was by far the best version yet Gary Clarke wowzers spot on cover with so many P touches it was surreal Mavis with the Revolution was incredible and Wendy OMG perfection The best tribute show for P ever!!! [Edited 4/22/20 7:46am]

I agree with you!

Who was the Black female that open up Let's Go Crazy with Gary Clarke Jr.?

Nevermind, I see its

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Astasheiks said:

Who was the Black female that open up Let's Go Crazy with Gary Clarke Jr.?

I believe it was H.E.R

yeah, I googled her,

lrn36 said:

mbdtyler said:

I might be one of the biggest STV fans here but I have to agree that her lead work has been sloppy in the last few years. The press has hyped her up as some kind of virtuoso "guitar hero" when her strengths really lie in inventive rhythm parts and hook-y lead lines. She's a fantastic songwriter and has a unique visual aesthetic, without a doubt, but she really could afford to practice soloing if she wants to lean into that image.

Like I said earlier, it would have helped immensely if she had played a looser arrangement with her own touring band, and made it her own. Listen to "Digital Witness", she can pull off weird funk. She just didn't fit in with the backing band's faithful rendition of the song.

To be clear, I wasn't criticizing her songwriting abilities just her musicianship and performance. When she first came on the scene, I though her minimalist approach was her style. But now I realize she is just limited. in that moment, any accomplished guitarist wouldn't miss a chance to show off a little and she didn't. Check out MonoNeon's fantastic rhythm guitar on Let's Work. That's a talented guitarist showing off without losing the essense of the song.

https://www.youtube.com/w...iqjnUftPYI

That's some Funky rhythm by Mono.

I watched the tribute with my mother.She watched the whole thing with me. She had many questions But the funniest to me. She asked me was that guitar player a man or a women. It was Wendy.

DAV123 said:

Wendy ate that shit UP! Loved every second of that!

Yep, That was a really nice solo by her.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I watched the tribute with my mother.She watched the whole thing with me. She had many questions But the funniest to me. She asked me was that guitar player a man or a women. It was Wendy.

Is there a way to see this in the UK?

dsimp8 said:

The Cross is good. Only issue is Sheila E being “featured in almost all songs. The Revolution should have been featured prominently

For Real. I wondered did Apollonia notice that??? lol haha heehee

jayceman said:

Broadcast setlist, per WCCO- CBS Minneapolis :

– Common, “Sign O’ the Times”

Somebody actually started the song. I forgot who it was, anyone remember?

Again my issues with the show were minimal but knowing what got CUT and what could have gotten CUT again leaves me with an odd feeling especially when Shelia is on stage for everything it seemed. Again I think she did good with crafting the show, it was lined up like it was a Prince concert, beginning slow jams and ending. The issues I had were some weaker performances that just fell flat I felt, 1999 I thought was a dud, I liked Gary Clark always have but I wonder why Lenny K was not there, my only complaint about the CROSS was shelia, and she was the original drummer but this song didnt have the feel it always did because i feel it was tossed in and widdled down, I felt Sign O the times was interesting to do but also fell flat to me. I feel also Miguel or Usher or John Legend, these 3 almost seemd to blend into one, its hard to listen to listen to John do Nothin Compares it was better than I thought but I have seen Paul Peterson tear that thing up without doing that vocal show boating John did at the end, thats where he lost me. Miguel was OK but the Usher performance plopped in the middle as an old film clip from two months prior, I was like Once was enough. The Revolution did fine, I got nervous at first with Mavis because I thought she was going to start rearranging words in Purple Rain, I am glad they did all the verses and Wendy got the solo in I feared it would be cut for some reason. I still feel skipping over the NPG like it never happened was either a decision of Shelia or CBS but not even something from Diamonds and Pearls or even Most beautfiul Girl something could have been done, i get it it was NOT prince's more popular era and also it seems this is the era where PRINCE and the musical director of this show did not speak, so i was not surprised to hear that was not happening. But overall if I was grading this would be a B+ and thats really because of some stronger performances from Earth Wind, Gary Clark, Revolution, Mavis, Susannah Hoffs, Foo Fighters giving the show some rock, and flashes here and there.

GaryMF said:

lrn36 said:

I realized Sheila, the Time, and the Revolution aren't much without Prince. The Time use the same arrangements and routines from '81 to '84. Sheila just copies everything Prince did. And the Revolution lacked energy and seemed lost without him. As bland as some of the younger artists were, at least, they tried to make his songs their own, they just lacked the musical ability to do it justice.

Beck, Foo Fighters, and EWF were the best of the night.

This comment is kind of ridiculous. Esp if you are going to contrast it to Beck's performance.

.

.

He literally stood there and strummed an acoustic guitar while SHEILA's BACKING band played the song.

.

.

He looked like David Spade in a beige Prince suit, which was kind of cute, but how you are going to say that actually added something to the performance vs. Wendy makes no sense.

.

.

I do agree that the Revolution seemed a little flat compared to when I've seen them in person, but Wendy actually did much better on the guitar solos this time, probably on purpose.

.

.

And Sheila doesn't copy Prince, she actually changes the arrangements, using nods to the classic concerts but adds her own extra, more jazzy elements to them with additional passing chords and subtle things.

.

.

The Time of course is going to do the classic arragnements given this is the original 7 who amost never are together anymore. And they have always performed without Prince, so even though he trained them, even he was "scared" of them live as is well documented.

He wasn't "Scared" of them for long!

I liked it overall, but yes, it was the Sheila show for sure. I was thinking of Apples fb rant through the whole thing. But she DID sound good and knows how to throw it down!

The Revolution should've been backing Beck for RB and they should've shown them performing Mountains. Did anyone see the clip I think Susannah Melvoin tweeted? It looked like it was awesome. Also I know Sheila covered it, but her America was terrible imo. Why not Love Bizarre & America WITH the Revolution instead? We all know The Rev tear those up! St Paul & Susannah should've done NC2U. Would've also liked to see more former associates...and the NPG! Sonny, Tommy, Morris H, and Michael B at least! I am starting to think at least some of Apples rant may be true.

I loved the Time...would've liked to see them doing a few other songs beyond the JL and the Bird since most of the original line up were up there.

Foo Fighters rocked it.

Finally, is Jimmy Jam's health ok, does anyone know? He has lost a LOT of weight.

Poplife88 said:

I liked it overall, but yes, it was the Sheila show for sure. I was thinking of Apples fb rant through the whole thing.

But she DID sound good and knows how to throw it down!

The Revolution should've been backing Beck for RB and they should've shown them performing Mountains. Did anyone see the clip I think Susannah Melvoin tweeted? It looked like it was awesome.

Also I know Sheila covered it, but her America was terrible imo.

Why not Love Bizarre & America WITH the Revolution instead? We all know The Rev tear those up!

St Paul & Susannah should've done NC2U. For real!

Would've also liked to see more former associates...and the NPG! Amen!

Sonny, Tommy, Morris H, and Michael B at least! Sure Nough!

I am starting to think at least some of Apples rant may be true. Ain't that the Truth.

I loved the Time...would've liked to see them doing a few other songs beyond the JL and the Bird since most of the original line up were up there. Agree

Foo Fighters rocked it. Yes, They did

Finally, is Jimmy Jam's health ok, does anyone know? He has lost a LOT of weight. I was wondering the same thing?

Morris Hayes was in the House Band.

I think Jimmy Jam is fine. He started losing weight at least two years ago.

Poplife88 said:

I liked it overall, but yes, it was the Sheila show for sure. I was thinking of Apples fb rant through the whole thing. But she DID sound good and knows how to throw it down!

The Revolution should've been backing Beck for RB and they should've shown them performing Mountains. Did anyone see the clip I think Susannah Melvoin tweeted? It looked like it was awesome. Also I know Sheila covered it, but her America was terrible imo. Why not Love Bizarre & America WITH the Revolution instead? We all know The Rev tear those up! St Paul & Susannah should've done NC2U. Would've also liked to see more former associates...and the NPG! Sonny, Tommy, Morris H, and Michael B at least! I am starting to think at least some of Apples rant may be true.

I loved the Time...would've liked to see them doing a few other songs beyond the JL and the Bird since most of the original line up were up there.

Foo Fighters rocked it.

Finally, is Jimmy Jam's health ok, does anyone know? He has lost a LOT of weight.

GaryMF said:

lrn36 said:

I realized Sheila, the Time, and the Revolution aren't much without Prince. The Time use the same arrangements and routines from '81 to '84. Sheila just copies everything Prince did. And the Revolution lacked energy and seemed lost without him. As bland as some of the younger artists were, at least, they tried to make his songs their own, they just lacked the musical ability to do it justice.

Beck, Foo Fighters, and EWF were the best of the night.

This comment is kind of ridiculous. Esp if you are going to contrast it to Beck's performance.

.

.

He literally stood there and strummed an acoustic guitar while SHEILA's BACKING band played the song.

.

.

He looked like David Spade in a beige Prince suit, which was kind of cute, but how you are going to say that actually added something to the performance vs. Wendy makes no sense.

.

.

I do agree that the Revolution seemed a little flat compared to when I've seen them in person, but Wendy actually did much better on the guitar solos this time, probably on purpose.

.

.

And Sheila doesn't copy Prince, she actually changes the arrangements, using nods to the classic concerts but adds her own extra, more jazzy elements to them with additional passing chords and subtle things.

.

.

The Time of course is going to do the classic arragnements given this is the original 7 who amost never are together anymore. And they have always performed without Prince, so even though he trained them, even he was "scared" of them live as is well documented.

Sure! A lot of Sheila E.'s reputation falls under the Prince umbrella just like most of his associates. Throw a name out there and we'll automatically respond 'Prince" But so what? What's wrong about Sheila E. or anybody else being known for Prince?

Let's also acknowledge that she put on a heck of show last night and deserves credit for it. She nailed it with powerful musical talent. I love her!

willie said:

AZStreet said:

I’m shocked they cut FF doing Pop life. I was at the taping. Darling Nikki was shot because Dave on the mic said that Ken Ehrlich (legendary tv producer) told him they can’t leave without Darling Nikki...so it was an afterthought. Pop life was my fav performance of the night...maybe because I wasn’t expecting it and...it turned pretty good? At the taping, Sheila was getting on the audience towards the end for standing up but not really grooving (it was a 3 plus hour show with some songs re-shot) Idk what she was expecting but she kinda looked fed up. And i also agree it was a Sheila show. Jimmy and Terry were MD’s along with the Sheila and they were only on stage when The Time was performing.

That would have been nice to see.

CBS’ ‘Grammy Salute to Prince’ Tops ‘Empire’ Series Finale – and Everything Else – in Key Demo Ratings

CBS/Fox

The “Grammy Salute to Prince” on CBS beat the “Empire” series finale (and everything else) in Tuesday’s primetime ratings among adults 18-49.

The Prince tribute actually finished second in terms of total viewers, ranking only behind its own lead-in, an “NCIS” rerun. CBS won the night outright.

“Empire” concluded to a 0.8 rating among adults 18-49, which is the key demographic for primetime entertainment advertisers, and just under 3 million total viewers.



CBS was first in ratings with a 0.9 rating/5 share in the advertiser-coveted 18-49 demographic and in total viewers with an average of 6.9 million, according to preliminary numbers. After the “NCIS” repeat, the Grammys special from 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. averaged a 1.0 and 6.5 million viewers.

NBC and Fox tied for second in ratings, both with a 0.6/3. NBC, which aired all reruns, was second in total viewers with 3.4 million viewers. Fox was third in viewers with 2.8 million.

For Fox, following a rerun, the “Empire” finale drew a 0.8 and 2.9 million viewers.



Univision was fourth in ratings with a 0.5/2 and fifth in viewers with 1.6 million.

ABC was fifth in ratings with a 0.4/2 and fourth in viewers with 2.4 million. Following repeats, “For Life” at 10 got a 0.4 and 2.2 million viewers.
CBS' 'Grammy Salute to Pr...ies Finale

I am EXTREMELY thrilled that Prince's(r.i.p.) tribute STARRING MZ SHEILA E as the musical director came in #1. He is smiling down from heaven now.

[Pics way too biggie snip - luv4u]

AZStreet said:

Jimmy and Terry were MD’s along with the Sheila and they were only on stage when The Time was performing.

Were they really though? Or was that just honorary title? They really were the narrators of the montages (or at least Jimmy was).

AZStreet said:

By the way Usher segment was part of the actual taping. I guess that was a grammys performance?

typo...

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