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Reply #210 posted 03/12/20 2:45pm

jfenster

who was contacted for him to be creamted???

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Reply #211 posted 03/12/20 3:02pm

rogifan

lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.



So any invesgitating, and any discussion on a fan sit, makes the myserious circumstances of his death go away? I hate to repeat myself but the official version of his death at face value leaves unanswered questions.

It's very possible everyone would reach the same conclusion the authorities did if they released additional info, but it's unclear if they even finished the investigation and got the answers themselves (like say, the source of the medication?).... and the moral questions of those who witnessed and watched will always be there until they talk openly from their perspective.

I get the annoyance with how this topic keeps coming up, and the way it's talked about, but let's not pretend it's all wrapped up, and fans just can't accept it.

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Reply #212 posted 03/12/20 3:29pm

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rogifan said:

The person best suited to give you the answers you want is dead.


Hell, you know we really can't even determine that based on the investigative holes.

I know some of you consciously think Prince knew where the dose came from, and what was in it, and and therefore only he can answer that, whether the OD was on purpose on accidental.... but none of that is conclusive, and to think he's the only living person with those answers is wrong.

(And I also don't get the sense that's your reasoning for saying only Prince can answer, you just sound like you're throwing your hands up and saying it doesn't matter because he's gone and it happened)

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Reply #213 posted 03/12/20 4:34pm

RJOrion

since ive been so open about my feelings about Prince's death up to this point, no sense trying to hide my feelings now...im seriously starting to consider that
Prince may have indeed purposely ended his own life...for reasons ill try not to speculate on, publicly...but i humbly admit, im getting further and further away from thoughts that was murdered by another party..
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Reply #214 posted 03/12/20 5:04pm

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jfenster said:

who was contacted for him to be creamted???

Tyka Nelson Prince's(r.i.p.) only full blooded relative left...Carried out her brothers wishes.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye feel that we're on the brink of something. It is going 2 B strict and wild and pretty" prince 1986
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Reply #215 posted 03/12/20 9:59pm

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dreamer5 said:

Authorbest,

can you disclose where you learned that the narrative contradicts the autopsy? Is it a legitimate source or your own belief?? There are others who have stated on this board that he had a history of threatening suicide over the years, not going through with it and then playing it off the next day like it didn't happen. I believe Susan R. also said in her round about way that he ended it in his own way.

I agree with this narrative and just wish someone would just confirm it. I believe he had been mentally unstable for many years. During the early celebrations it seemed quite apparent during the unrelenting paranoid rants that there was some kind of untreated mental health issues and/or drugs. It was pretty hard to listen to at a time when discussing those kinds of topics was not done with the ease that occurs today.

I believe he had a full plan which was escalated with the Blindgossip news release + health issues+rehab pressure+ depression++++

I just wish someone would just come out with it. No one really cares but the diehards that continue to come here. His legacy is established.

Read Prince's lyrics.

Mayte writes about an incident shortly after her marriage to Prince.

Here is an article about the level of Fentanyl in Prince's body. The article makes a mistake in measurement of the Fentanyl. Fentanyl is measured in mcg not milligrams as the article says. In any case, these are massive amounts and not consistent with 'accident'.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Stop with the amature psychiatry. There is way more to the story which I am unable to share here. Prince was also unable to share it while alive. That is another reason he had to go. In order to share his story.

See lyrics to Black Muse. Prince had to take the 5th for 20+ years. Here is an excerpt:

No better remedy for sorrow
Or why the 5th held forever will make you cry
Eye don't know why

I agree with you regarding Judith. I'll have to agree to disagree regarding psychiatry. YOu are arguing that he killed himself, that IS an extreme case where psychiatry may have saved his life. I was just pointing out my perceptions of him over time along with information I've gathered since his death. He was a creative genius, so getting treatment may not have been something he would be open to. His brother was on an antipsychotic med at his death which leads to the potential assumption that there could be a hereditary component. I would like closure for my own selfish reasons, but I realize nothing is owed. I feel badly for Prince and Alfred as they were taken advantage of when they were at their most vulnerable. You are trying to convince us that prince had to go to tell a story which is more out there than the murder hypothesis.

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Reply #216 posted 03/13/20 5:28am

rogifan

lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

The person best suited to give you the answers you want is dead.


Hell, you know we really can't even determine that based on the investigative holes.

I know some of you consciously think Prince knew where the dose came from, and what was in it, and and therefore only he can answer that, whether the OD was on purpose on accidental.... but none of that is conclusive, and to think he's the only living person with those answers is wrong.

(And I also don't get the sense that's your reasoning for saying only Prince can answer, you just sound like you're throwing your hands up and saying it doesn't matter because he's gone and it happened)


I'm saying that because he's the one who knows why he was doing what he was doing. And I'm also saying it because some fans feel the need to blame someone for his death as if he didn't have free will and agency. I don't think there is anyone on this earth who ever forced Prince to do something he didn't want to do.

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Reply #217 posted 03/13/20 6:33am

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rogifan said:


I can't assign blame based on situations I didn't witness.

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Kirk acted as a defacto PA.

You can hide behind whatever, that was reality.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #218 posted 03/13/20 3:42pm

authorbest

dreamer5 said:

authorbest said:

Read Prince's lyrics.

Mayte writes about an incident shortly after her marriage to Prince.

Here is an article about the level of Fentanyl in Prince's body. The article makes a mistake in measurement of the Fentanyl. Fentanyl is measured in mcg not milligrams as the article says. In any case, these are massive amounts and not consistent with 'accident'.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Stop with the amature psychiatry. There is way more to the story which I am unable to share here. Prince was also unable to share it while alive. That is another reason he had to go. In order to share his story.

See lyrics to Black Muse. Prince had to take the 5th for 20+ years. Here is an excerpt:

No better remedy for sorrow
Or why the 5th held forever will make you cry
Eye don't know why

I agree with you regarding Judith. I'll have to agree to disagree regarding psychiatry. YOu are arguing that he killed himself, that IS an extreme case where psychiatry may have saved his life. I was just pointing out my perceptions of him over time along with information I've gathered since his death. He was a creative genius, so getting treatment may not have been something he would be open to. His brother was on an antipsychotic med at his death which leads to the potential assumption that there could be a hereditary component. I would like closure for my own selfish reasons, but I realize nothing is owed. I feel badly for Prince and Alfred as they were taken advantage of when they were at their most vulnerable. You are trying to convince us that prince had to go to tell a story which is more out there than the murder hypothesis.

This is getting off topic. The question posed is did Prince work himself to death?


I say no. He intentionally ended his life.


I don't think anyone needs to do a psychicatric anaylisis. It is what it is.


There was no saving him. He chose to leave on his own terms. I make no judgement on that. He was making a statement. Judith Hill reminded him of Vanity. Judith, even, reversed things he felt Vanity did him wrong on. Judith seems to be a geninue and nice person, who was in musical ways, almost Prince's equal. Judith looked at him the way he wanted Vanity to. Judith saved him on the plane. If that wasn't enough, nothing was going to save and nothing did.


Prince was writing his story at the time of death. There are allegations in the police file of document shredding and computer file deletion and information that 3 persons knew what happened and took care of 'it'. Prince's biographer Dan Pipepbring in his New Yorker article said there were going to be 'bombshells' in his biography. Kirk Johnson went on TV and pointed to his head which he called a 'vault' and said it would never be opened. Shelia E did an access Hollywood interview the day after Prince's death stating they pretty much knew what happened but she did want the focus to be on Prince's 'personal life'. Subsequently doing interviews where she talked about how he ask her to marry him, thus revealing part of his personal life.


Prince last instagram post that got deleted after death had the caption "Just when you though you were safe.." People use this posting deletion as a basis for a murder theory. I don't think it was that.

I have a hypothosis on all this. An opinion only.

I think the deleted caption was a message to someone(s) who I can't name and, not anyone who surronded Prince, but who were involved in the 'bombshells'.

Further, in my opinion, I believe Prince finished his biography. It is my opinion, that after police vacated Paisley Park on the date of his death, the completed biography and maybe other information was discoved and that is what was shredded and deleted off Prince's computer. The documents alleged to be deleted, was Prince's notes to his biographer and I believe included the 'bombshell' information and and maybe more. Those that found this information, deemed it should never see the light of day. That it was better that you believe Prince was an out of control drug addict. So they stopped talking or didn't talk at all to police. I believe, that is why Shelia E, according to Judith Hill's statement to police, said to Judith "You know you can't say anything, right?"

I figured this all out by going to the music and not just the music of Prince. It's all in the music but you have to find the rosetta stone, which I found. If I found it, anyone can. (If those involved didn't want any of this to be discovered they should have never put it in the music.)

Further, in my opinion, Prince went to the elevator for a reason, he was sending a message. He wanted you to read the lyrics of 'Let's Go Crazy'. Read the lyrics. He talks about shrinks in Beverly Hills and sarcastically says "Doctor Everything Will Be Alright". He talks about the afterworld being easier than this one. And if the elevator tries to bring you down "Go Crazy". And he was a very young man when he wrote this song.


Party, have fun, enjoy life, enjoy your friends. It's a loud and clear message to his fans. Do worry about me. Celebrate, enjoy the music, enjoy your friends. That what everbody needs to remember. That is the best remedy.

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Reply #219 posted 03/14/20 5:38am

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authorbest said:

This is getting off topic. The question posed is did Prince work himself to death?


I say no. He intentionally ended his life.


I don't think anyone needs to do a psychicatric anaylisis. It is what it is.


There was no saving him. He chose to leave on his own terms. I make no judgement on that. He was making a statement. Judith Hill reminded him of Vanity. Judith, even, reversed things he felt Vanity did him wrong on. Judith seems to be a geninue and nice person, who was in musical ways, almost Prince's equal. Judith looked at him the way he wanted Vanity to. Judith saved him on the plane. If that wasn't enough, nothing was going to save and nothing did.


Prince was writing his story at the time of death. There are allegations in the police file of document shredding and computer file deletion and information that 3 persons knew what happened and took care of 'it'. Prince's biographer Dan Pipepbring in his New Yorker article said there were going to be 'bombshells' in his biography. Kirk Johnson went on TV and pointed to his head which he called a 'vault' and said it would never be opened. Shelia E did an access Hollywood interview the day after Prince's death stating they pretty much knew what happened but she did want the focus to be on Prince's 'personal life'. Subsequently doing interviews where she talked about how he ask her to marry him, thus revealing part of his personal life.


Prince last instagram post that got deleted after death had the caption "Just when you though you were safe.." People use this posting deletion as a basis for a murder theory. I don't think it was that.

I have a hypothosis on all this. An opinion only.

I think the deleted caption was a message to someone(s) who I can't name and, not anyone who surronded Prince, but who were involved in the 'bombshells'.

Further, in my opinion, I believe Prince finished his biography. It is my opinion, that after police vacated Paisley Park on the date of his death, the completed biography and maybe other information was discoved and that is what was shredded and deleted off Prince's computer. The documents alleged to be deleted, was Prince's notes to his biographer and I believe included the 'bombshell' information and and maybe more. Those that found this information, deemed it should never see the light of day. That it was better that you believe Prince was an out of control drug addict. So they stopped talking or didn't talk at all to police. I believe, that is why Shelia E, according to Judith Hill's statement to police, said to Judith "You know you can't say anything, right?"

I figured this all out by going to the music and not just the music of Prince. It's all in the music but you have to find the rosetta stone, which I found. If I found it, anyone can. (If those involved didn't want any of this to be discovered they should have never put it in the music.)

Further, in my opinion, Prince went to the elevator for a reason, he was sending a message. He wanted you to read the lyrics of 'Let's Go Crazy'. Read the lyrics. He talks about shrinks in Beverly Hills and sarcastically says "Doctor Everything Will Be Alright". He talks about the afterworld being easier than this one. And if the elevator tries to bring you down "Go Crazy". And he was a very young man when he wrote this song.


Party, have fun, enjoy life, enjoy your friends. It's a loud and clear message to his fans. Do worry about me. Celebrate, enjoy the music, enjoy your friends. That what everbody needs to remember. That is the best remedy.

Wrong about the last post. I believe that lost post was on Twitter. An org member named benni, tweeted Prince and Prince tweeted back to her, but since he wasn't good at tweeting, it came out to look like he tweeted that. He didn't. This has been explained many times here on the org.


Here is what Benni said about it, but of course you already knew this because you were a participant in the thread where I found this quote at. You were corrected then, and you still continue to post the falsehoods about this tweet. sad

Yes, it was a retweet. I can't remember the original poster who tweeted that one, but Prince could not retweet people. He'd copy and paste the tweet, and sometimes add his own comment behind it. I do think Prince identified with the sentiment of that tweet, because he did not include the poster's name when he tweeted it.

The tweet in which they claim Prince said he was "#FeelingRejuvenated" was also a retweet (and that was mine). Even news sources reported that Prince said that (and none of them would correct that when I told them Prince didn't say that) and I actually had people threatening me in IMs, wanting to know what I did to Prince that night in Atlanta. I had to show them my original tweet before they'd believe me. Prince copied and pasted it, and in order to get it to fit with my handle, he deleted a space between my name and "What".

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Reply #220 posted 03/14/20 10:37am

lavendardrumma
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rogifan said:

I'm saying that because he's the one who knows why he was doing what he was doing. And I'm also saying it because some fans feel the need to blame someone for his death as if he didn't have free will and agency. I don't think there is anyone on this earth who ever forced Prince to do something he didn't want to do.



Is that really how addiction works? You retain free will, and agency?

Saying "Prince always did what he wanted" doesn't really alleviate the questions around various theories. Clearly.

There were witnesses for the last months of his life. We're all talking about Kirk, but Josh and Hannah had to have been around. These people weren't just employees, and frankly, even if they were, at some point you say screw the job, because you won't have one either way if he dies.

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Reply #221 posted 03/14/20 10:54am

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chine

authorbest said:

He wanted you to read the lyrics of 'Let's Go Crazy'. Read the lyrics. He talks about shrinks in Beverly Hills and sarcastically says "Doctor Everything Will Be Alright".


He also says "Look for the purple banana 'Til they put us in the truck, let's go" so uh... maybe we shouldn't get too literal with it, even after the eerie elevator line.

As for the book being finished, the writing partner Prince chose has been very candid about how Prince worked with him. If Prince did any more writing, it doesn't sound like it would have been the biographical material. He'd have had no reason. not to share it with his collaborator, and the publisher would have no reason not to publish any scrap they had. Nobody has said this, but I think it would have been like Jay Z's book, instead of a life flashing before Prince's eyes format.

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Reply #222 posted 03/14/20 2:19pm

PeggyO

lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

I'm saying that because he's the one who knows why he was doing what he was doing. And I'm also saying it because some fans feel the need to blame someone for his death as if he didn't have free will and agency. I don't think there is anyone on this earth who ever forced Prince to do something he didn't want to do.



Is that really how addiction works? You retain free will, and agency?

Saying "Prince always did what he wanted" doesn't really alleviate the questions around various theories. Clearly.

There were witnesses for the last months of his life. We're all talking about Kirk, but Josh and Hannah had to have been around. These people weren't just employees, and frankly, even if they were, at some point you say screw the job, because you won't have one either way if he dies.

He looked really ill in the last year or two; inner circle likely knew not much could be done. Let him play music and keep comfortable (meds).

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Reply #223 posted 03/14/20 3:24pm

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PeggyO said:

lavendardrummachine said:



Is that really how addiction works? You retain free will, and agency?

Saying "Prince always did what he wanted" doesn't really alleviate the questions around various theories. Clearly.

There were witnesses for the last months of his life. We're all talking about Kirk, but Josh and Hannah had to have been around. These people weren't just employees, and frankly, even if they were, at some point you say screw the job, because you won't have one either way if he dies.

He looked really ill in the last year or two; inner circle likely knew not much could be done. Let him play music and keep comfortable (meds).

But it was the meds that were making him ill.

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Reply #224 posted 03/14/20 3:29pm

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PennyPurple said:

PeggyO said:

He looked really ill in the last year or two; inner circle likely knew not much could be done. Let him play music and keep comfortable (meds).

But it was the meds that were making him ill.

I respect your opinion but I think he was ill independent of the drugs.

It's OK if we differ.

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Reply #225 posted 03/14/20 3:32pm

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PeggyO said:

PennyPurple said:

But it was the meds that were making him ill.

I respect your opinion but I think he was ill independent of the drugs.

It's OK if we differ.

Even though the blood test came back fine except for being a little enemic?

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Reply #226 posted 03/14/20 3:52pm

PeggyO

PennyPurple said:

PeggyO said:

I respect your opinion but I think he was ill independent of the drugs.

It's OK if we differ.

Even though the blood test came back fine except for being a little enemic?

We did not see the results of the bloodwork that was drawn by Dr. S. to be shown to Prince the day he died. It was not given to us in the investigative reports.

I would feel more confident seeing bloodwork results from a well-respected lab.

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Reply #227 posted 03/14/20 5:51pm

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PeggyO said:

He looked really ill in the last year or two; inner circle likely knew not much could be done. Let him play music and keep comfortable (meds).


In retrospect, I don't think anyone disagrees. At the time, if you said anything like it, fans would shoot it down,and ratioanlized he was just wearing less makeup, or act outraged. He looked great in Oakland, but now you look at some of the closer angles and it's pretty obvious he was off.

He wasn't missing gigs, so if he was ill with something terminal he didn't have some amount of functional control over, that's remarkable.

I'm doubt his inner circle were treating the last two years like they were hospice workers just keeping him comfortable. But yeah, there are accounts from people saying he seemed off when they saw him.

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Reply #228 posted 03/15/20 5:39am

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lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

I'm saying that because he's the one who knows why he was doing what he was doing. And I'm also saying it because some fans feel the need to blame someone for his death as if he didn't have free will and agency. I don't think there is anyone on this earth who ever forced Prince to do something he didn't want to do.



Is that really how addiction works? You retain free will, and agency?

Saying "Prince always did what he wanted" doesn't really alleviate the questions around various theories. Clearly.

There were witnesses for the last months of his life. We're all talking about Kirk, but Josh and Hannah had to have been around. These people weren't just employees, and frankly, even if they were, at some point you say screw the job, because you won't have one either way if he dies.


I'm not going to make judgements on people as I wasn't there. I have no idea what people around him tried to do.

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Reply #229 posted 03/16/20 8:40pm

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chine

rogifan said:

I have no idea what people around him tried to do.


But...that is the point of questioning.

Obviously that disinterests you personall, and that's a-ok of course.



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Reply #230 posted 03/17/20 12:14am

authorbest

lavendardrummachine said:

authorbest said:

He wanted you to read the lyrics of 'Let's Go Crazy'. Read the lyrics. He talks about shrinks in Beverly Hills and sarcastically says "Doctor Everything Will Be Alright".


He also says "Look for the purple banana 'Til they put us in the truck, let's go" so uh... maybe we shouldn't get too literal with it, even after the eerie elevator line.

As for the book being finished, the writing partner Prince chose has been very candid about how Prince worked with him. If Prince did any more writing, it doesn't sound like it would have been the biographical material. He'd have had no reason. not to share it with his collaborator, and the publisher would have no reason not to publish any scrap they had. Nobody has said this, but I think it would have been like Jay Z's book, instead of a life flashing before Prince's eyes format.

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Ok, so you don't understand one line about the 'purple banana', so therefore nothing in that song applies?

I have a information from a man who claims he was Vanity's roommate around 92-93. He claims Vanity told him 'Let's Go Crazy' was about her.

Also let's look at other Prince songs were a 'banana' was referenced.

Rock Hard In A Funky Place - The Black Album

Soaked in banana cologne
No wonder you're all alone

X's Face - Hit And Run - Phase One

Go and take that banana
Then get back in your cage

On the cover of 1999 the N in Prince is formed by a pair of pants and an object that is the shape of a banana or a smile. It has teeth inside so it is more likely a smile but it the shape of a banana.

In the video for Party man Prince gives the monkey sitting on the piano a banana. When the monkey unpeals the banana it says 'psyche'.

Even though you don't understand this reference it is clearly some form a code language Prince had with Vanity. The Rosetta Stone that I found bears this out. The banana comes from the Rosetta Stone. And for all we know there might be some unrelease song called 'banana' that might give further insight.

So in the song Let's Go Crazy he is talking to Vanity. And the purple banana, I think is some kind of reference to him or the love they share.

'Til they put us in the truck line is some kind of reference to death. To being put in a truck/car after death and taken to hospital/funeral home/cemetary.

What is even eerier is that Prince on the day of his death after the medical examiner was finished on scene was literally put in a truck as documented in the police report. His pallbearers were the brass from the Carver County Sherrif Department. Sherrif Olsen, Lt. Kittleson, Lt. Williams and Sgt. Meier. These four accompanied Prince's body to the basement and put him in the medical examiner's truck, probably refridgerated, and taken to the medical examiner's office.

No going to the elevator was an intentional act by Prince. He was referencing this song. Let's Go Crazy.

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Reply #231 posted 03/17/20 12:23am

authorbest

PeggyO said:

lavendardrummachine said:



Is that really how addiction works? You retain free will, and agency?

Saying "Prince always did what he wanted" doesn't really alleviate the questions around various theories. Clearly.

There were witnesses for the last months of his life. We're all talking about Kirk, but Josh and Hannah had to have been around. These people weren't just employees, and frankly, even if they were, at some point you say screw the job, because you won't have one either way if he dies.

He looked really ill in the last year or two; inner circle likely knew not much could be done. Let him play music and keep comfortable (meds).

Did he? Can you document this with actual photographic evidence? The emergency room doctor in Moline, IL made a note in the medical records that he was thin, but noted it was not a concern.

Actually if you look at the video evidence he looked good and happy until he appeared at the American Music Awards in late Nov 2015, where he clearly looks thinner. At this time he knows Vanity/Denise's days are numbered. I think he is already planning/preparing for death at this time. The Piano and A Microphone Tour was his farewell to Vanity/Swansong Tour although nobody knew it at the time except for Prince.

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Reply #232 posted 03/17/20 12:37am

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PeggyO said:

PennyPurple said:

Even though the blood test came back fine except for being a little enemic?

We did not see the results of the bloodwork that was drawn by Dr. S. to be shown to Prince the day he died. It was not given to us in the investigative reports.

I would feel more confident seeing bloodwork results from a well-respected lab.

[Edited 3/14/20 15:53pm]

Yes, it would be nice to see the actual lab report. However, Dr. S. was interviewed by police on the day of Prince's death. Dr. S came to Paisley Park that morning to drop of a copy of the lab report of blood tests from a specimen Prince gave only hours before when he went to Dr. S. office. Dr. S. tells police there was nothing remarkable reflected in the report except for slight anemia and that even was not even a concern.

We can assume the test included a CBC (Complete Blood Count) and that everything was within normal range except for hemoglobin. The man was a doctor and he was reading a lab report. So I think we can take his word for it. However, yes it would be nice to see the actual report.

I know there are some out there who believe Prince had AIDS. However, you can infer from this statment by Dr. S. that Prince did not have AIDS or any serious illness concerning blood as there would have been abnormalities in the White Blood Cell count or other abnormalities shown in the reports indicating other serious underlying illness. Otherwise the Dr. would not have made such a statement.

Clearly, the concern was some addiction problem. However, in actuality, it was a Prince wanting to end his life problem.

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Reply #233 posted 03/17/20 7:50am

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authorbest said:

PeggyO said:

We did not see the results of the bloodwork that was drawn by Dr. S. to be shown to Prince the day he died. It was not given to us in the investigative reports.

I would feel more confident seeing bloodwork results from a well-respected lab.

[Edited 3/14/20 15:53pm]

Yes, it would be nice to see the actual lab report. However, Dr. S. was interviewed by police on the day of Prince's death. Dr. S came to Paisley Park that morning to drop of a copy of the lab report of blood tests from a specimen Prince gave only hours before when he went to Dr. S. office. Dr. S. tells police there was nothing remarkable reflected in the report except for slight anemia and that even was not even a concern.

We can assume the test included a CBC (Complete Blood Count) and that everything was within normal range except for hemoglobin. The man was a doctor and he was reading a lab report. So I think we can take his word for it. However, yes it would be nice to see the actual report.

I know there are some out there who believe Prince had AIDS. However, you can infer from this statment by Dr. S. that Prince did not have AIDS or any serious illness concerning blood as there would have been abnormalities in the White Blood Cell count or other abnormalities shown in the reports indicating other serious underlying illness. Otherwise the Dr. would not have made such a statement.

Clearly, the concern was some addiction problem. However, in actuality, it was a Prince wanting to end his life problem.

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rednblue said:

authorbest said:

Yes, it would be nice to see the actual lab report. However, Dr. S. was interviewed by police on the day of Prince's death. Dr. S came to Paisley Park that morning to drop of a copy of the lab report of blood tests from a specimen Prince gave only hours before when he went to Dr. S. office. Dr. S. tells police there was nothing remarkable reflected in the report except for slight anemia and that even was not even a concern.

We can assume the test included a CBC (Complete Blood Count) and that everything was within normal range except for hemoglobin. The man was a doctor and he was reading a lab report. So I think we can take his word for it. However, yes it would be nice to see the actual report.

I know there are some out there who believe Prince had AIDS. However, you can infer from this statment by Dr. S. that Prince did not have AIDS or any serious illness concerning blood as there would have been abnormalities in the White Blood Cell count or other abnormalities shown in the reports indicating other serious underlying illness. Otherwise the Dr. would not have made such a statement.

Clearly, the concern was some addiction problem. However, in actuality, it was a Prince wanting to end his life problem.



Gonna make a general comment here. Addiction and suicidality aren't mutually exclusive. To the contrary, incidence is increased.

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Reply #235 posted 03/17/20 8:29am

PeggyO

rednblue said:

authorbest said:

Yes, it would be nice to see the actual lab report. However, Dr. S. was interviewed by police on the day of Prince's death. Dr. S came to Paisley Park that morning to drop of a copy of the lab report of blood tests from a specimen Prince gave only hours before when he went to Dr. S. office. Dr. S. tells police there was nothing remarkable reflected in the report except for slight anemia and that even was not even a concern.

We can assume the test included a CBC (Complete Blood Count) and that everything was within normal range except for hemoglobin. The man was a doctor and he was reading a lab report. So I think we can take his word for it. However, yes it would be nice to see the actual report.

I know there are some out there who believe Prince had AIDS. However, you can infer from this statment by Dr. S. that Prince did not have AIDS or any serious illness concerning blood as there would have been abnormalities in the White Blood Cell count or other abnormalities shown in the reports indicating other serious underlying illness. Otherwise the Dr. would not have made such a statement.

Clearly, the concern was some addiction problem. However, in actuality, it was a Prince wanting to end his life problem.

We saw legitimate toxicology (levels of opiates) reports but no legitimate labwork from Dr. S. though it was done. They had 2+ years to include. Seems interesting to me.

[Edited 3/17/20 8:31am]

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Reply #236 posted 03/17/20 9:56am

PeggyO

Thou shall not inquire.

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Reply #237 posted 03/17/20 10:09am

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PeggyO said:

rednblue said:

We saw legitimate toxicology (levels of opiates) reports but no legitimate labwork from Dr. S. though it was done. They had 2+ years to include. Seems interesting to me.

[Edited 3/17/20 8:31am]

Just to follow up, seeing blood test results would be interesting. However, I don't think a CBC really shows much, I think you need much more detailed tests like CD4 (if suspect HIV). Also, you can have an normal CBC and have cancer and all kinds of diseases. The Comprehensive Metabolic Panel would show more if it were liver related.


Prince being slightly anemic wouldn't be shocking at all given his diet. You would also think his liver numbers would be abnormal given his opiod intake, and maybe kidney function. Or, maybe Dr. S did run all those tests and everything was fine except hemoglobin. But as was stated earlier, unless that info is released, speculation will continue.

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Reply #238 posted 03/17/20 10:39am

PeggyO

iamafan said:

PeggyO said:

We saw legitimate toxicology (levels of opiates) reports but no legitimate labwork from Dr. S. though it was done. They had 2+ years to include. Seems interesting to me.

[Edited 3/17/20 8:31am]

Just to follow up, seeing blood test results would be interesting. However, I don't think a CBC really shows much, I think you need much more detailed tests like CD4 (if suspect HIV). Also, you can have an normal CBC and have cancer and all kinds of diseases. The Comprehensive Metabolic Panel would show more if it were liver related.


Prince being slightly anemic wouldn't be shocking at all given his diet. You would also think his liver numbers would be abnormal given his opiod intake, and maybe kidney function. Or, maybe Dr. S did run all those tests and everything was fine except hemoglobin. But as was stated earlier, unless that info is released, speculation will continue.

I would imagine Dr S ordered a battery of bloodwork (not just a CBC) I think he said bloodwork or 'labs'

CBC is always included as it will address infection, anemia, platelets (one of the clotting factors).

It will assist an MD with the bigger picture and point in a diagnostic direction.

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Reply #239 posted 03/17/20 10:40am

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iamafan said:

PeggyO said:

We saw legitimate toxicology (levels of opiates) reports but no legitimate labwork from Dr. S. though it was done. They had 2+ years to include. Seems interesting to me.

[Edited 3/17/20 8:31am]

Just to follow up, seeing blood test results would be interesting. However, I don't think a CBC really shows much, I think you need much more detailed tests like CD4 (if suspect HIV). Also, you can have an normal CBC and have cancer and all kinds of diseases. The Comprehensive Metabolic Panel would show more if it were liver related.


Prince being slightly anemic wouldn't be shocking at all given his diet. You would also think his liver numbers would be abnormal given his opiod intake, and maybe kidney function. Or, maybe Dr. S did run all those tests and everything was fine except hemoglobin. But as was stated earlier, unless that info is released, speculation will continue.

You are right. We don't know what tests Dr. S ordered.

However, we can infer that at least a CBC was done. If Prince had AIDS unchecked to the point that people believe his weight loss was due to that reason you would have probably seen an abnormality in the WBC count. Requiring further detailed testing. Yet, the Dr. says the tests showed nothing.

The Dr. S did do physical exams of Prince on both April 7 and April 20. Prince had virtually no pain complaints other than slight hip pain and some mild nausea on April 7 and feeling antsy on April 21. You would think that Prince would have some major complains and actual physical manifestation of advanced cancer or liver disease. The doctor did not note jaundice or skin lesions, ascites or bumps. Nothing.

As far as toxicology, I saw no legitmate lab reports. If you have seen this can you provide a link?


It is noted in the police report narrative the following reguarding toxicology:



Blood level of Fentanyl is 67.8 mcg/l.

Dr. Strobl in multiple conversations with supervising detective DeWitt Meier said that she expected stomach contents to have low levels of Fentanyl because of high levels in the blood.


Actual chemical analysis of the stomach fluids shows “extremely high level” of Fentanyl in the stomach contents leaving no doubt Fentanyl was ingested orally in “pill form”.

There were news reports of addition detail on the toxicology regarding actual Fentanyl levels in the liver and stomach. However, again no actual toxicology report from a lab.

Liver: 435 mcg

gastric (stomach): 14,000 mcg

This is a reason for Motioning the court and getting an the actual autospsy and toxicology reports release as I noted in a prior post.

The medical examiner declared this an "accidental" overdose on June 2, 2016. Judith Hill was not interviewed until June 16, 2016.

From what we do know and from what Prince did and left behind and Judith Hill's statement. I am confident that Prince's death was a suicide.

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