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Reply #180 posted 03/11/20 10:46am

authorbest

rogifan said:

PeggyO said:

I disagree that Prince was not 'most celebrities.' Yes, he was very talented but I think we need to stop with the 'special dispensation' and otherwordly, enigmatic stuff...it is tiresome.

All these secrets work against his legacy as, for some fans, it may be difficult to discern who this person really was as there has been so much cover-up.

We know almost everything about Whitney and Michael's life and circumstances. It has been well-documented.

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I stand by that statement. MJ had a memorial service. Whitney's family had a church funeral that they allowed all the news networks to broadcast. Prince had a dysfunctional family. There was nobody who was going to do the things you mentioned. Also autopsy reports are public informantion in California. They are not in Minnesota. That's how it should be. It's none of our business.

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.

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Reply #181 posted 03/11/20 11:28am

PeggyO

authorbest said:

rogifan said:


I stand by that statement. MJ had a memorial service. Whitney's family had a church funeral that they allowed all the news networks to broadcast. Prince had a dysfunctional family. There was nobody who was going to do the things you mentioned. Also autopsy reports are public informantion in California. They are not in Minnesota. That's how it should be. It's none of our business.

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.

It is against the law in Minnesota to release autopsy results prematurely. That won't happen, nor do I wish for that to happen. I don't think we need to see that type of detail.

I would just like more overall transparency from someone at the top who can communicate with integrity and knowledge about the basics of what happened.

I also want someone at the top to take control and dismiss the wannabees, widows, endless touring groups, auctions, and all other types of profiteering. All of this behavior has cheapened Prince's legacy.

I am not holding my breath, however.

I do see signs of this type of disarray and money-grabbing going on in Whitney estate as well;

The Hologram tour is an example of this.

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Reply #182 posted 03/11/20 1:17pm

authorbest

PeggyO said:

authorbest said:

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.

It is against the law in Minnesota to release autopsy results prematurely. That won't happen, nor do I wish for that to happen. I don't think we need to see that type of detail.

I would just like more overall transparency from someone at the top who can communicate with integrity and knowledge about the basics of what happened.

I also want someone at the top to take control and dismiss the wannabees, widows, endless touring groups, auctions, and all other types of profiteering. All of this behavior has cheapened Prince's legacy.

I am not holding my breath, however.

I do see signs of this type of disarray and money-grabbing going on in Whitney estate as well;

The Hologram tour is an example of this.

2019 Minnesota Statutes

13.83 MEDICAL EXAMINER DATA

Subd. 7.Court review.

Any person may petition the district court located in the county where medical examiner data is being maintained to authorize disclosure of nonpublic, protected nonpublic, or confidential medical examiner data. The petitioner shall notify the medical examiner or coroner. The court may notify other interested persons and require their presence at a hearing. A hearing may be held immediately if the parties agree, and in any event shall be held as soon as practicable. After examining the data in camera, the court may order disclosure of the data if it determines that disclosure would be in the public interest.

So an autopsy can be release if someone petitions the court and the court issues an order to release the data in the "public interest". If Prince's divorce documents are "public interest", how is this not "public interest".

You may not want this information. However, if released maybe people will start talking.

The "people at the top" are the Prince estate mangers. It is thier duty to "money grubb" as you call it.

I told you what happened. Prince's death was a suicide. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his love, Denise Matthews.

Those around Prince don't want you to know this. They would rather have you believe he was an out of control drug addict who overdose by accident.

The way Prince died has nothing to do with his legacy. Elvis died on the floor of his bathroom with his pants at his ankles. Does this changed his legacy? No. It is rare that anyone dies in a nice way? Is there a nice way to die? Birth is pretty messy too. Yet, Prince looked like he just went to sleep. Almost like the end of the song The Beatiful Ones in the film Purple Rain lying on the floor.

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Reply #183 posted 03/11/20 1:22pm

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authorbest said:

PeggyO said:

It is against the law in Minnesota to release autopsy results prematurely. That won't happen, nor do I wish for that to happen. I don't think we need to see that type of detail.

I would just like more overall transparency from someone at the top who can communicate with integrity and knowledge about the basics of what happened.

I also want someone at the top to take control and dismiss the wannabees, widows, endless touring groups, auctions, and all other types of profiteering. All of this behavior has cheapened Prince's legacy.

I am not holding my breath, however.

I do see signs of this type of disarray and money-grabbing going on in Whitney estate as well;

The Hologram tour is an example of this.

2019 Minnesota Statutes

13.83 MEDICAL EXAMINER DATA

Subd. 7.Court review.

Any person may petition the district court located in the county where medical examiner data is being maintained to authorize disclosure of nonpublic, protected nonpublic, or confidential medical examiner data. The petitioner shall notify the medical examiner or coroner. The court may notify other interested persons and require their presence at a hearing. A hearing may be held immediately if the parties agree, and in any event shall be held as soon as practicable. After examining the data in camera, the court may order disclosure of the data if it determines that disclosure would be in the public interest.

So an autopsy can be release if someone petitions the court and the court issues an order to release the data in the "public interest". If Prince's divorce documents are "public interest", how is this not "public interest".

You may not want this information. However, if released maybe people will start talking.

The "people at the top" are the Prince estate mangers. It is thier duty to "money grubb" as you call it.

I told you what happened. Prince's death was a suicide. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his love, Denise Matthews.

Those around Prince don't want you to know this. They would rather have you believe he was an out of control drug addict who overdose by accident.

The way Prince died has nothing to do with his legacy. Elvis died on the floor of his bathroom with his pants at his ankles. Does this changed his legacy? No. It is rare that anyone dies in a nice way? Is there a nice way to die? Birth is pretty messy too. Yet, Prince looked like he just went to sleep. Almost like the end of the song The Beatiful Ones in the film Purple Rain lying on the floor.



Then pony up the money, hire an attorney, and do it if you are so interested in the morbid details of his autopsy.

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Reply #184 posted 03/11/20 1:31pm

authorbest

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

authorbest said:

2019 Minnesota Statutes

13.83 MEDICAL EXAMINER DATA

Subd. 7.Court review.

Any person may petition the district court located in the county where medical examiner data is being maintained to authorize disclosure of nonpublic, protected nonpublic, or confidential medical examiner data. The petitioner shall notify the medical examiner or coroner. The court may notify other interested persons and require their presence at a hearing. A hearing may be held immediately if the parties agree, and in any event shall be held as soon as practicable. After examining the data in camera, the court may order disclosure of the data if it determines that disclosure would be in the public interest.

So an autopsy can be release if someone petitions the court and the court issues an order to release the data in the "public interest". If Prince's divorce documents are "public interest", how is this not "public interest".

You may not want this information. However, if released maybe people will start talking.

The "people at the top" are the Prince estate mangers. It is thier duty to "money grubb" as you call it.

I told you what happened. Prince's death was a suicide. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his love, Denise Matthews.

Those around Prince don't want you to know this. They would rather have you believe he was an out of control drug addict who overdose by accident.

The way Prince died has nothing to do with his legacy. Elvis died on the floor of his bathroom with his pants at his ankles. Does this changed his legacy? No. It is rare that anyone dies in a nice way? Is there a nice way to die? Birth is pretty messy too. Yet, Prince looked like he just went to sleep. Almost like the end of the song The Beatiful Ones in the film Purple Rain lying on the floor.



Then pony up the money, hire an attorney, and do it if you are so interested in the morbid details of his autopsy.

I think Jutice4Cuz should do it. They are soliciting money for this stated purpose, right? They are out to seek the truth, right?

I don't really need this information. I already know what happened. I'm giving it to you here for free.

Prince's death was a suicide a la Romeo and Juliet. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his Juliet - Denise Matthews.

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Reply #185 posted 03/11/20 1:35pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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authorbest said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Then pony up the money, hire an attorney, and do it if you are so interested in the morbid details of his autopsy.

I think Jutice4Cuz should do it. They are soliciting money for this stated purpose, right? They are out to seek the truth, right?

I don't really need this information. I already know what happened. I'm giving it to you here for free.

Prince's death was a suicide a la Romeo and Juliet. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his Juliet - Denise Matthews.

Cuz aint seeking anything but some coin for his pocket.

I have been following P since the debut of his first album, and he may have committed suicide but it wasnt to spend eternity with Vanity ... FFS.

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Reply #186 posted 03/11/20 1:52pm

authorbest

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

authorbest said:

I think Jutice4Cuz should do it. They are soliciting money for this stated purpose, right? They are out to seek the truth, right?

I don't really need this information. I already know what happened. I'm giving it to you here for free.

Prince's death was a suicide a la Romeo and Juliet. A Leibestod (lovedeath). He went to spend eternity with his Juliet - Denise Matthews.

Cuz aint seeking anything but some coin for his pocket.

I have been following P since the debut of his first album, and he may have committed suicide but it wasnt to spend eternity with Vanity ... FFS.

The lyrics to 4Ever from Lotus Flower

If eye never get 2 hold ur hand
If eye never get 2 b ur man

That's ok cuz eye've got other plans
Right now, right now
If eye never get 2 kiss ur lips
If eye never get 2 feel ur hips
Close 2 me

That's ok eye ain't gonna trip

Not now no how

Cuz eye'vv for
4ever
Eternity is just one kiss away

So they say

The opera, jill scott or the fair
Cyprus, if eye never get 2 take you swimming there
If you never know how much eye care
Eye swear

It's not fair

If eye never get 2 make you laugh
If we never get 2 take a bubble bath

Eye don't wanna part with you
Not 2night
If you gonna b a part of my past

Eye just want 4ever

Eternity is just one kiss away

So many things
We can do in the new world

Eye can b ur future lover
U can b my future girl
If eye never get 2 c ur smile

Underneath the white veil
Walkin' up the aisle

Eye just might go crazy

Eye might go wild

So stop lookin at me like that
Unless you want me 2 bite that
4ever

Eternity is just one kiss away

A million 2morrows
Is better than one day
4ever

This is just one song in Prince's catalogue that foretells what happens in April 2016.

Prince made his first suicide attempt on the plane on April 15, 2016. Judith Hill interrupted his plans. April 15, 2016 is the April anniversary of the death of Denise Matthews. I assume you are already aware of the importance of the month of April in Prince world.

Because Judith Hill smashed the picture/vison in Prince's mind, and thus becoming an official Beautiful One by doing what Beautiful Ones do - always/everytime, Prince has to create plan B and select an alternate date in April. April 21 is the first day of the full moon in April 2016.
In the film Under The Cherry Moon Prince's character "lives for all women but dies for one"

Come on guys, read the writing on the wall.
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Reply #187 posted 03/11/20 1:59pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Seriously, why do you all think P wanted a memorial??

Maybe, just maybe, he mentioned to someone he wouldnt want a memorial?

I vaguely remember some interview or band conversation (in the 90's) he had where he mentioned that Rudolph Valentino had thousands of women show up for his funeral. I thought that Prince was somehow admiring that and thinking he would have the same thing and 'wanted' that. It seems in the later years he had become more reserved and cared about more substantial things and did not worry or careabout the female contingent falling out at a mass memorial. Before his death though, I always thought that whenever he did pass, he would have a turnout as Valentino. It is ironic as all get out how this turned out.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #188 posted 03/11/20 5:21pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Then pony up the money, hire an attorney, and do it if you are so interested in the morbid details of his autopsy.


I'm surprised a TMZ or Radar type site hasn't already done this.

I actually would wonder if the autopsy could even fill in the blanks.

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Reply #189 posted 03/11/20 5:48pm

rogifan

authorbest said:

rogifan said:


I stand by that statement. MJ had a memorial service. Whitney's family had a church funeral that they allowed all the news networks to broadcast. Prince had a dysfunctional family. There was nobody who was going to do the things you mentioned. Also autopsy reports are public informantion in California. They are not in Minnesota. That's how it should be. It's none of our business.

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.


What is the public interest in having his autopsy released? There is none. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.

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Reply #190 posted 03/11/20 5:52pm

rogifan

PeggyO said:

authorbest said:

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.

It is against the law in Minnesota to release autopsy results prematurely. That won't happen, nor do I wish for that to happen. I don't think we need to see that type of detail.

I would just like more overall transparency from someone at the top who can communicate with integrity and knowledge about the basics of what happened.

I also want someone at the top to take control and dismiss the wannabees, widows, endless touring groups, auctions, and all other types of profiteering. All of this behavior has cheapened Prince's legacy.

I am not holding my breath, however.

I do see signs of this type of disarray and money-grabbing going on in Whitney estate as well;

The Hologram tour is an example of this.


Why? Why is thus necessary. We know what the cause of death was. Why do we have a right to know more? As far as other people making money off him, how many are really doing that (I can't imagine the NPG or Revolution are making that much money off the limited shows they've done). And how does the estate stop it? Can they stop someone from performing Prince's music in public? Can they stop someone from writing a book? I don't think so.

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Reply #191 posted 03/11/20 5:56pm

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rogifan said:

Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.


I'm playing devil's advocate here to some degree, but I think when cities across the country are doing tributes, it's safe to say the public mourned Prince in a way that defies typical celebrity. We just saw a similar thing with Kobe, where people who don't watch NBA or care, were still effected because of the circumstances. Someone could easily argue the investigaion of the crash was public interest. I think Prince's death was a cultural shift, in a real defining way that I'm not even sure occured with Michael Jackson, who people watched grow up. Part of that was the circumstances of his passing. So I think someone could argue there's public interest there.

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Reply #192 posted 03/11/20 5:57pm

authorbest

rogifan said:

authorbest said:

Well governments deem certain information a matter of public record.

Who you marry should be your own business yet governments deem this public information. Why? who cares?

As far as autopsy in the Prince case, Minnesota keeps it private for 30 years. However, anyone can file a motion in Carver County or Minnesoata Adminstrative Law court requesting release of the autopsy because of public interest. Are there any MN lawyers here.

Prince was a public figure and the official cause of death does not jive with leaked toxicology information. That means there could be corruption or incompetency involved in Prince's death investigation. Prince's divorce files to Manuela Testolini got unsealed and released because a newspaper filed a motion to release that information as a matter of public interest. That information had nothing to do with his death and served not public purpose. Yet it got release.

So where are the newspaper and lawyers to file a motion to get the autopsy release. That informaiton would be way more important and relevant to the public interest in the competency and professionalism persons performing duties in the public interest.

Somebody in Minnesota needs to file a motion to get Prince's autopsy released.


What is the public interest in having his autopsy released? There is none. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.

See my message above. The toxicology is in contrast to a claim of accident. The public needs to know if the investigators were incompetent or corrupt. How often are wrong conclusion made like this? And this was a very high profile case.

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Reply #193 posted 03/11/20 5:59pm

authorbest

rogifan said:

PeggyO said:

It is against the law in Minnesota to release autopsy results prematurely. That won't happen, nor do I wish for that to happen. I don't think we need to see that type of detail.

I would just like more overall transparency from someone at the top who can communicate with integrity and knowledge about the basics of what happened.

I also want someone at the top to take control and dismiss the wannabees, widows, endless touring groups, auctions, and all other types of profiteering. All of this behavior has cheapened Prince's legacy.

I am not holding my breath, however.

I do see signs of this type of disarray and money-grabbing going on in Whitney estate as well;

The Hologram tour is an example of this.


Why? Why is thus necessary. We know what the cause of death was. Why do we have a right to know more? As far as other people making money off him, how many are really doing that (I can't imagine the NPG or Revolution are making that much money off the limited shows they've done). And how does the estate stop it? Can they stop someone from performing Prince's music in public? Can they stop someone from writing a book? I don't think so.

Why would you even want to stop them. They are celebrating his music. That is what he wants. They worked with him, they contributed to his overall success. Enjoy.

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Reply #194 posted 03/11/20 6:03pm

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lavendardrummachine said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:


Then pony up the money, hire an attorney, and do it if you are so interested in the morbid details of his autopsy.


I'm surprised a TMZ or Radar type site hasn't already done this.

I actually would wonder if the autopsy could even fill in the blanks.

You may be right but it can't rule in or out other theories. I'm surprised TMZ hasn't done it either. It was the local Minnesota paper that got the divorce documents released. Why hasn't the local paper also done it with the autopsy. It doesn't make sense.

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Reply #195 posted 03/11/20 6:04pm

authorbest

Why do I think that Judith Hill might agree with me on this issue.


Here Judith is singing, quite passionately I might add, Rock and Roll Suicide just a few days ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9jHjANNvgE

Further her is:


Judith Hill singing “Back In Time” live in Paris - Nov 2019

Also, quite passionately

At 3:20 she ad libs “Why did you break my heart” 2X

Then sings something I can’t understand followed by the ad lib “We were together”

Later at 3:45 she sings “you and me were together, baby. I needed you ohhhh”

https://www.youtube.com/w...squKdjdt_c

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Reply #196 posted 03/11/20 7:36pm

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authorbest said:

Why hasn't the local paper also done it with the autopsy. It doesn't make sense.



Unless they did and there was nothing new worth reporting. That court filing would become public record and be circulating though, so maybe not.

The infatuation tangent.... Nothing about Judith Hill's Bowie cover looks like she's thinking of a lost love. She's semi-smiling at the beginning and the end, and it's just a standard belted out soul version.

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Reply #197 posted 03/11/20 9:07pm

rogifan

lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.


I'm playing devil's advocate here to some degree, but I think when cities across the country are doing tributes, it's safe to say the public mourned Prince in a way that defies typical celebrity. We just saw a similar thing with Kobe, where people who don't watch NBA or care, were still effected because of the circumstances. Someone could easily argue the investigaion of the crash was public interest. I think Prince's death was a cultural shift, in a real defining way that I'm not even sure occured with Michael Jackson, who people watched grow up. Part of that was the circumstances of his passing. So I think someone could argue there's public interest there.


I get that Prince was beloved. But that's different than the details around his death being in the public interest. IMO that would only apply to a public leader like the president or Pope, or say in the UK the Queen. I don't think the general public has the right to a celebrity's private life no matter how popular that celebrity is/was. The public has the right to whatever the celebrity chooses to share and no more.

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Reply #198 posted 03/11/20 9:10pm

rogifan

authorbest said:

rogifan said:


What is the public interest in having his autopsy released? There is none. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.

See my message above. The toxicology is in contrast to a claim of accident. The public needs to know if the investigators were incompetent or corrupt. How often are wrong conclusion made like this? And this was a very high profile case.


Well I'm not one who believes there was foul play. And I think all that Prince was murdered nonsense is just that, nonsense. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. People still believe MJ and Whitney were murdered too. smh

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Reply #199 posted 03/11/20 9:22pm

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rogifan said:

The public has the right to whatever the celebrity chooses to share and no more.


Generally speaking that's true, but not so much once their death involves an investigation, illegal narcotics, etc. As you see, some of it naturally become public record. We're not just talking about whether Prince wore a wig, or what direction his penis leaned, and had Prince died in his sleep from natural causes, then I think we'd all be prone to agree with you. Legally speaking we have the right to whaever is public record. Morally you might not approve, but morally people don't approve of "He gone! Yup, random ass narcotics he shouldn't have been on! Nope, don't know, don't ask, who cares!"

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Reply #200 posted 03/11/20 10:11pm

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authorbest said:

rogifan said:


What is the public interest in having his autopsy released? There is none. Just because someone is a celebrity doesn't mean their private life is public interest.

See my message above. The toxicology is in contrast to a claim of accident. The public needs to know if the investigators were incompetent or corrupt. How often are wrong conclusion made like this? And this was a very high profile case.

Authorbest,

can you disclose where you learned that the narrative contradicts the autopsy? Is it a legitimate source or your own belief?? There are others who have stated on this board that he had a history of threatening suicide over the years, not going through with it and then playing it off the next day like it didn't happen. I believe Susan R. also said in her round about way that he ended it in his own way.

I agree with this narrative and just wish someone would just confirm it. I believe he had been mentally unstable for many years. During the early celebrations it seemed quite apparent during the unrelenting paranoid rants that there was some kind of untreated mental health issues and/or drugs. It was pretty hard to listen to at a time when discussing those kinds of topics was not done with the ease that occurs today.

I believe he had a full plan which was escalated with the Blindgossip news release + health issues+rehab pressure+ depression++++

I just wish someone would just come out with it. No one really cares but the diehards that continue to come here. His legacy is established.

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Reply #201 posted 03/12/20 12:55am

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lavendardrummachine said:

authorbest said:

Why hasn't the local paper also done it with the autopsy. It doesn't make sense.



Unless they did and there was nothing new worth reporting. That court filing would become public record and be circulating though, so maybe not.

The infatuation tangent.... Nothing about Judith Hill's Bowie cover looks like she's thinking of a lost love. She's semi-smiling at the beginning and the end, and it's just a standard belted out soul version.

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No. That was Vanity not Judith. LOL!

I wasn't the one writing hundreds of songs about Vanity over multiple years, I'm only pointing it out and trying to understand it myself. That was Prince and two others. So what is your diagnosis for them?

I hate amature psychatrists and even many professionals for that matter. I think it is a profession, in all but extreme cases, do more harm than good. People just need a good trusted friend and a sense of humor. A trusted friend is hard to find when you are famous. You have to see the Mel Brooks film High Anxiety. It is a spoof and not all that funny but when Mel Brooks, as a psychatrist, goes to the phychatrist confernce and pays homage to the greats Freud, Jung and Dr. Joyce Brother and I think we can include Dr. Phil in that too (LOL!) saying they provde psychatrists 'with a good living' is more true than not. And further when Mel in the movie exponds on old diagnosis' of sexual organ envy as no longer valid, is not only true, it is very funny. Sometimes you have to use humor to get your point accross.

The deep feeling involved was the motivation to create. Remove the feeling and the music creation shuts down. That is the paradox of inspiration.

This also reminds me of a question Vanity was asked repeatedly in interviews. Are you Vain? Her answer! I suppose we all are. LOL! That was an excellent and very true answer. Everybody who uses this site can be considered infatuated. LOL! Further, Vanity using her real name has a good remedy for all the pain in this story but I can't share that with you either here lest I be accused of making this church. LOL!

There is a lot to this story which I have not shared with you. I did share it on another posting and it got taken down. There is a whole another piece to this story. And Judith got unknowingly mixed up in it and has taken a lot of personal hits in the press and online that if you knew the whole story are very undeserved. Especially, if you believe the Prince was hopelessly addicted scenario.

And if you know the whole story you would understand why. Bottom line Judiith reminded Prince of Vanity. But Prince did not tell Judith that. Even with things in Judith background that would bring up reminders of Vanity, she is clearly a very different person. That also is addressed in her video for Back In Time, if you understand the imagery.

And I hate to even say this because in today's world rather than a positive, some people consider it the opposite. She is a nice girl, or at least that is the feeling I get from interviews. And she could have shared Prince's musical life as Vanity never could have.

I figured some of this out early on. And on another website in discussion I made the fatal mistake when talking about Prince's emergency plane landing of saying 'poor Judith'. Meaning what she must have been feeling during that whole process of Prince passing out, the rapid descent from 45k feet and watching paramedics try to revive him on the tarmac at the airport. The vitriol that came my way was shocking. It really took me aback. I don't understand it.

She clearly loved him and clearly did not understand what was happening at the time because he didn't tell her about Vanity.

I haven't experienced on this site so much, but many rabid Prince fans see her in the wrong light. She saved Prince on the plane. She is really the hero and not the villan as some have portrayed her. And those in the know in the Prince camp left her twisting in the wind and taking all the blame which sheilds them even to this day. And I experienced something like this in my own life.

So you may see this video as just belting. I see her letting out some of her emotions surround the situation with Prince.

Here is an interview with her that I found recently from January of 2019. She talks about 'massive grief and loss' and 'broken pieces' of herself. And experienceing 'hatred on that level' and that people should see others as 'human beings - as God's creations'.

I really feel for her and the hate she experience through no fault of her own. Prince should have never involved her in his death Controversy.

https://vimeo.com/314057824

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authorbest said:

See my message above. The toxicology is in contrast to a claim of accident. The public needs to know if the investigators were incompetent or corrupt. How often are wrong conclusion made like this? And this was a very high profile case.

Authorbest,

can you disclose where you learned that the narrative contradicts the autopsy? Is it a legitimate source or your own belief?? There are others who have stated on this board that he had a history of threatening suicide over the years, not going through with it and then playing it off the next day like it didn't happen. I believe Susan R. also said in her round about way that he ended it in his own way.

I agree with this narrative and just wish someone would just confirm it. I believe he had been mentally unstable for many years. During the early celebrations it seemed quite apparent during the unrelenting paranoid rants that there was some kind of untreated mental health issues and/or drugs. It was pretty hard to listen to at a time when discussing those kinds of topics was not done with the ease that occurs today.

I believe he had a full plan which was escalated with the Blindgossip news release + health issues+rehab pressure+ depression++++

I just wish someone would just come out with it. No one really cares but the diehards that continue to come here. His legacy is established.

Read Prince's lyrics.

Mayte writes about an incident shortly after her marriage to Prince.

Here is an article about the level of Fentanyl in Prince's body. The article makes a mistake in measurement of the Fentanyl. Fentanyl is measured in mcg not milligrams as the article says. In any case, these are massive amounts and not consistent with 'accident'.

https://kstp.com/medical/fentanyl-related-overdoses-rising-chicago-dea-lab-chemists-track-drugs-prince-death/4491091/

Stop with the amature psychiatry. There is way more to the story which I am unable to share here. Prince was also unable to share it while alive. That is another reason he had to go. In order to share his story.

See lyrics to Black Muse. Prince had to take the 5th for 20+ years. Here is an excerpt:

No better remedy for sorrow
Or why the 5th held forever will make you cry
Eye don't know why

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rogifan said:

lavendardrummachine said:


I'm playing devil's advocate here to some degree, but I think when cities across the country are doing tributes, it's safe to say the public mourned Prince in a way that defies typical celebrity. We just saw a similar thing with Kobe, where people who don't watch NBA or care, were still effected because of the circumstances. Someone could easily argue the investigaion of the crash was public interest. I think Prince's death was a cultural shift, in a real defining way that I'm not even sure occured with Michael Jackson, who people watched grow up. Part of that was the circumstances of his passing. So I think someone could argue there's public interest there.


I get that Prince was beloved. But that's different than the details around his death being in the public interest. IMO that would only apply to a public leader like the president or Pope, or say in the UK the Queen. I don't think the general public has the right to a celebrity's private life no matter how popular that celebrity is/was. The public has the right to whatever the celebrity chooses to share and no more.

'Public interest' is the only reason the law allows for early release of the autopsy report. What is 'public interest' is decided by a judge usually after argument on both sides by attorney's. A judge makes a determination not your average person. However, in order to get it front of a judge for a decision someone must file a motion in the proper venue. That has not been done so the point is moot right now.

There was a motion filed to release Prince's divorce documents which, in my opinion, has no 'public interest' consideration but a judge deem otherwise. That does not mean it is automatically a given that if a motion is filed for autopsy release that a judge would make the same determination. Different judge, different outcomes very often. That is our system and that is why there are appeals courts and supreme courts to review the decisions of lower courts that sometime can come to wrong conclusions. But then again appeals and suprement courts also come to wrong conclusions. And that is sometimes how wars start or the innocent get convicted and the guilty go free. LOL!


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lavendardrummachine said:

rogifan said:

The public has the right to whatever the celebrity chooses to share and no more.


Generally speaking that's true, but not so much once their death involves an investigation, illegal narcotics, etc. As you see, some of it naturally become public record. We're not just talking about whether Prince wore a wig, or what direction his penis leaned, and had Prince died in his sleep from natural causes, then I think we'd all be prone to agree with you. Legally speaking we have the right to whaever is public record. Morally you might not approve, but morally people don't approve of "He gone! Yup, random ass narcotics he shouldn't have been on! Nope, don't know, don't ask, who cares!"


There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.

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rogifan said:

There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.

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The investigation was a judicial one.

That does not so anything about the moral situation.

If you continue saying that the people who worked with and for Prince deserve no blame, then what type of reality do you live in?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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udo said:

rogifan said:

There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.

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The investigation was a judicial one.

That does not so anything about the moral situation.

If you continue saying that the people who worked with and for Prince deserve no blame, then what type of reality do you live in?


I can't assign blame based on situations I didn't witness.

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authorbest said:

I hate amature psychatrists and even many professionals for that matter.


I bet.

(Sorry, you walked into that one).

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rogifan said:

There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.



So any invesgitating, and any discussion on a fan sit, makes the myserious circumstances of his death go away? I hate to repeat myself but the official version of his death at face value leaves unanswered questions.

It's very possible everyone would reach the same conclusion the authorities did if they released additional info, but it's unclear if they even finished the investigation and got the answers themselves (like say, the source of the medication?).... and the moral questions of those who witnessed and watched will always be there until they talk openly from their perspective.

I get the annoyance with how this topic keeps coming up, and the way it's talked about, but let's not pretend it's all wrapped up, and fans just can't accept it.

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rogifan said:



lavendardrummachine said:




rogifan said:


The public has the right to whatever the celebrity chooses to share and no more.




Generally speaking that's true, but not so much once their death involves an investigation, illegal narcotics, etc. As you see, some of it naturally become public record. We're not just talking about whether Prince wore a wig, or what direction his penis leaned, and had Prince died in his sleep from natural causes, then I think we'd all be prone to agree with you. Legally speaking we have the right to whaever is public record. Morally you might not approve, but morally people don't approve of "He gone! Yup, random ass narcotics he shouldn't have been on! Nope, don't know, don't ask, who cares!"




There was an investigation and all that available information was discussed here ad nauseam. Fans are just looking for someone to lash out at because the person they're really mad at is dead.



there was an investigation on JFKs murder, but the limo driver STILL got away with assassinating the president
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