poppys said:

The real question is - why do you care if I post here, or what I say? Especially enough to count my posts. What does it matter how often anyone posts? (it doesn't).

Some here want people off the thread, I've bullied no one. This is an open discussion on a public forum. It runs the gamut. A poster above me thinks Prince was murdered...again.

[Edited 12/17/19 13:25pm]

Because previous commentary from you indicates you don't like the thread nor the subject. But what you say doesn't match what you are doing with your repeated posting. I'm just pointing out the contradiction between both and that is just fine to do too.

[Edited 12/17/19 13:59pm]

Strive said:

I really doubt Prince was upset at Hannah having a kid considering they were still working on the second 3rdEyeGirl album, the two of them were living in a house he owned and how much he enjoyed seeing other people's families.

From Judith Hill's transcribed interview page 52

"I think it was kind of difficult when Hannah decided to have a baby and that's when 3rdEyeGirl kind of fell apart...and I know he wanted 3rdEyeGirl to continue but she felt like it was time for her to..to move on and...or not move on, they were still living in the house and he really loved them to pieces so...they were still very much involved even though 3rdEyeGirl had kind of disbanded...

However, another poster was impling that Prince was showing signs of dementia by chaning bands so often. My point was there were valid reasons for his seeming changing priorities rather than their implication of brain deterioration.

Mumio said:

poppys said:

The real question is - why do you care if I post here, or what I say? Especially enough to count my posts. What does it matter how often anyone posts? (it doesn't).

Some here want people off the thread, I've bullied no one. This is an open discussion on a public forum.

It runs the gamut. A poster above me thinks Prince was murdered...again.

Because previous commentary from you indicates you don't like the thread nor the subject. But what you say doesn't match what you are doing with your repeated posting. I'm just pointing out the contradiction between both and that is just fine to do too.

What you think my previous commentary indicates is your business. My posting on this thread is not your business. Carry on.

poppys said:

Mumio said:

Because previous commentary from you indicates you don't like the thread nor the subject. But what you say doesn't match what you are doing with your repeated posting. I'm just pointing out the contradiction between both and that is just fine to do too.

What you think my previous commentary indicates is your business. My posting on this thread is not your business. Carry on.

PliablyPurple said:

When I think of Prince and the possibility of suicide, I always go to the lyric "what's the hurry/to die without tryin'/if you could sell your worries/would anyone buy 'em?" and hope he still believed in that.

Into The Light from Choas and Disorder

Have you seen the picture on the inside sleeve on this album? The one with the heart in the toilet.

Have you read Mayte Garcia's book? The Most Beautiful. In the book she documents Prince was taken to the hospital when he was found on the floor pass out and had vomited. This happened shortly after their marriage in 1996. They married on Valentine's Day 1996. The doctor told Mayte, Prince's stomach had to be pumped and he was given charcol treatment. Could this have been a suicide attempt? This album Choas and Disorder was released on July 9, 1996.

Note: I know lots of people will jump to conclusions and think I'm saying something about Mayte. I'm not. I believe what was going on at this time was Vanity related.

4Ever from Lotus Flower

Eternity is just one kiss away
So many things
We can do in the new world
Eye can b ur future lover
U can b my future girl

Boom from Lotus Flower

What if another universe
Complete with sun and moon
An entire galaxy and what's worse
U and eye 2 soon
Find each other xpanding beyond this dirty room

Note: See Prince's last tweet before the airplane incident, which I believe was his first attempt at suicide but stopped by Judith Hill, on April 12, 2016. He tweets about Boom from Lotus Flower.

Here from MplSound

How desperate am eye?
Eye wonder if you r what keeps me alive

Art Official Cage from Art Offical Age

I woke up in the city in a bit of a rage
Determined 2 free my mind from this art official cage
Tought by tought my teachers taught from an early age
A place in heaven far off in the future
Come on, let's go
Free the people, come on, let's go

Art official, art official cage

Controversy

Some people want to die so they can be free

Wednesday from Piano and a Microphone

Contemplating suicide from 12 o'clock till two

mk456 said:

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Prince called it ‘this system of things’. He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information. Some know the truth. It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“. To make matters even more suspicious, the caption on this Instagram post was mysteriously deleted after his death. The parallels with Michael Jackson’s death are astonishing.

[Edited 12/17/19 14:12pm]

If I remember correctly, and I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out. But I thought that tweet was actually from someone on the Org, and Prince re=tweeted it, and everyone thought it was his tweet. ??

Can anyone else remember this?

I think it was Benni's tweet but it was something along the lines of "I am transformed"

PennyPurple said:

mk456 said:

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Prince called it ‘this system of things’. He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information. Some know the truth. It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“. To make matters even more suspicious, the caption on this Instagram post was mysteriously deleted after his death. The parallels with Michael Jackson’s death are astonishing.

[Edited 12/17/19 14:12pm]

If I remember correctly, and I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out. But I thought that tweet was actually from someone on the Org, and Prince re=tweeted it, and everyone thought it was his tweet. ??

Can anyone else remember this?

mk456 said:

God Bless Prince. Overdosed on pain killers for his hip they say yet was seen riding his bike the day before he died....... it does not add up. Prince was very health conscious against drugs and alcohol. I highly doubt he committed suicide given his spiritual beliefs.

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He was murdered, same as MJ, and cremated the day after. The reality is there is both good and bad folks in the world. All the rest of the media narrative stories is BS.

-

Prince called it ‘this system of things’. He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information. Some know the truth. It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“. To make matters even more suspicious, the caption on this Instagram post was mysteriously deleted after his death. The parallels with Michael Jackson’s death are astonishing.

-

Prince wrote slave on his cheek, spoke against chemtrails, spoke against the fat cats on walls street in live Leno performance, spoke against the gatekeepers and the industry in NPMC essays, Michael Jackson fought Sony, got half his masters and now he is dead and Sony got everything. Prince fought Warner Bros for 18 years for the rights to his own music, won it back and now he is dead. Those responsible didn’t do it for the money though – they don’t need the money.

-

PS – I have been here 22 years from day one under different usernames and before that on alt.music.prince – and yet the Mod deleted my comment – so much for free speech. Some orgers on here see that the official story does not add up. Peace to you All and God Bless Prince.

-

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Who controls music https://thezog.wordpress....ols-music/

Who controls radio https://thezog.wordpress....ols-radio/

Who controls the FED https://thezog.wordpress....em-part-1/

Who controls Wall St https://thezog.wordpress....et-part-1/

[Edited 12/17/19 13:11pm]

[Edited 12/17/19 14:12pm]

He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information.

I wrote about the 'bombshells" on another thread and it got deleted. The bombshells are in the music if you can read the clues. However, if you don't believe suicide you are really going to have a hard time with the "bombshells" considering some of the things you write above.

It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“.

Let me tell you a little story. Once I was driving home alone at night about 11pm after visiting my mother. I notice a car behind me making the same moves I was. The car followed me down my residential street so my gut started acting up saying their was something weird about that car. I passed my house to the cross street just beyond so I could turn around and park in the right direction in front of my house. When I did this, my car and the other car passed each other going in opposite directions. In my rear view mirror, I saw the car pull a up a driveway and back out quickly and get behind me. I thought that was really weird so I parked in front of a neighbor's house and refused to get out of the car. The car passed me and kept going down the street. When I felt they were a safe distance away, I got out of my car. At that time, 1988, I did not have a magic button key to lock and unlock doors. So I always locked the door automatically when getting out of the car. I got out and locked the door while still watching the car as it moved up the street. When I was out, I saw the brakes lights go on in the car that I was watching. Then I saw the reverse lights go on. Then I heard the sound of the accelerator being pressed very hard. The car came back at me fast and I knew I was in trouble. I knew I did not have enough time to get the car door open again, so I ran for the house. Well to make a long story short, they were purse snatchers, even though they never said that and what seemed like hours were only seconds when I thought I was going to die that night. When I realized they wanted my purse, I let it go and I survived to tell the story. What is my purpose in telling this story? It is: Why did I get out of the car when my gut was telling me there was something not right?

Because I thought I was safe!

I wasn't.

What I believe Prince was saying with this post was that he had Judith Hill. He loved Judith Hill. He thought he was safely over Denise Matthews/Vanity. But when she got the final fatal illness and died, he realized he was not safely over her.

To add further color, I use the death of my parents as examples. They were both older had lived long lives, their health had slowly deteriorated, they were hospitalized for extended periods towards the end. So there was a long period where we, meaning me and my siblings, knew that death was coming. I thought I was prepared. Yet, when it actually happened, it hits like a ton of bricks. You think you are prepared but you are not if you loved your parent. This feeling lasts for quite a long time after. It even gets worse for a time after the funeral. I believe this is what Prince was talking about when making this post. The final illness and death of Denise Matthews hit him like a ton of bricks. He told no one, not even Judith Hill, so no one could try to help him over the hump.

Prince was a hard head in a way. He very much reminds me of the Mongomery Clift character, Robert E. Lee Prewitt, from the film 'From Here To Eternity.' The character loved the army no matter what it did to him. And it eventually killed him. That is how Prince loved Denise Matthews.

[Edited 12/17/19 15:41pm]

jjam said:

RJOrion said:

again...he was murdered

Again...no.

LOL

PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly, and I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out. But I thought that tweet was actually from someone on the Org, and Prince re=tweeted it, and everyone thought it was his tweet. ??

Can anyone else remember this?

This was benni's tweet. Reply #81

Jan 2nd - Channel 4 (UK) Prince Doc

benni said:

...Prince didn't tweet that he was feeling rejuvenated, feeling inspired, feeling loved. I tweeted that to him three days after the final concert. He just didn't know how to retweet properly and copied and pasted it...

mk456 said:

God Bless Prince. Overdosed on pain killers for his hip they say yet was seen riding his bike the day before he died....... it does not add up. Prince was very health conscious against drugs and alcohol. I highly doubt he committed suicide given his spiritual beliefs.

-

He was murdered, same as MJ, and cremated the day after. The reality is there is both good and bad folks in the world. All the rest of the media narrative stories is BS.

-

Prince called it ‘this system of things’. He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information. Some know the truth. It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“. To make matters even more suspicious, the caption on this Instagram post was mysteriously deleted after his death. The parallels with Michael Jackson’s death are astonishing.

-

Prince wrote slave on his cheek, spoke against chemtrails, spoke against the fat cats on walls street in live Leno performance, spoke against the gatekeepers and the industry in NPMC essays, Michael Jackson fought Sony, got half his masters and now he is dead and Sony got everything. Prince fought Warner Bros for 18 years for the rights to his own music, won it back and now he is dead. Those responsible didn’t do it for the money though – they don’t need the money.

-

PS – I have been here 22 years from day one under different usernames and before that on alt.music.prince – and yet the Mod deleted my comment – so much for free speech. Some orgers on here see that the official story does not add up. Peace to you All and God Bless Prince.

-

https://thezog.wordpress....big-media/

Who controls music https://thezog.wordpress....ols-music/

Who controls radio https://thezog.wordpress....ols-radio/

Who controls the FED https://thezog.wordpress....em-part-1/

Who controls Wall St https://thezog.wordpress....et-part-1/

[Edited 12/17/19 13:11pm]

[Edited 12/17/19 14:12pm]

PeggyO said:

Nope. There was mix of different amounts of femtanyl in the pills found at PP. No two pills that they tested had the same amounts so this theory of a suicide pill doesn't work.
Unless you can post actual links to prove what you're saying then it's merely your pov. You're entitled to it but saying it as fact misleading & incorrect.

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly, and I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out. But I thought that tweet was actually from someone on the Org, and Prince re=tweeted it, and everyone thought it was his tweet. ??

Can anyone else remember this?

This was benni's tweet. Reply #81

Jan 2nd - Channel 4 (UK) Prince Doc

benni said:

...Prince didn't tweet that he was feeling rejuvenated, feeling inspired, feeling loved. I tweeted that to him three days after the final concert. He just didn't know how to retweet properly and copied and pasted it...

That's IT! Thank you Poppys! I've been trying to search for it.

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

If I remember correctly, and I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will point it out. But I thought that tweet was actually from someone on the Org, and Prince re=tweeted it, and everyone thought it was his tweet. ??

Can anyone else remember this?

This was benni's tweet. Reply #81

Jan 2nd - Channel 4 (UK) Prince Doc

benni said:

...Prince didn't tweet that he was feeling rejuvenated, feeling inspired, feeling loved. I tweeted that to him three days after the final concert. He just didn't know how to retweet properly and copied and pasted it...

Morgaine said:

PeggyO said:

Yes, Tyka did let that comment slip, (that she knew he was ill for 2 years), and that is why she did not over-react when she was notified of his death with the simple comment, "he is gone."

There was too much Fentanyl in his system for this to be an accident. He was self-medicating and

likely had a huge tolerance. It is naive to think he did not know the content of his drugs.

IMO, he was very ill and there is no shame in a dignified death at that point. What choice did he have?

He could not have waited until he was no longer able to care for himself as he would have been vulnerable to photos etc. Who would have cared for him at that point? Kirk was not qualified.

I understand why he did not trust outsiders to care for him...look how Moline "leaked"

Nope. There was mix of different amounts of femtanyl in the pills found at PP. No two pills that they tested had the same amounts so this theory of a suicide pill doesn't work. Unless you can post actual links to prove what you're saying then it's merely your pov. You're entitled to it but saying it as fact misleading & incorrect.

Did you read about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill in the investigative files? It has been a long time since I have read the files but don't recall reading about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill and how it varied. Can you email me the pg. number with that info;I'd be interested??

One of the bottles by his bedside had Lidocaine pills only. (Aleve or Bayer bottle) Lots of discussion about that (unresolved)

The other bottle (Aleve or Bayer) had pills that were mixed combos of Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

There were 15 pills in tissue on his dresser with Fent and Lidocaine (I believe)

Lots of Fentanyl in that room.

I should have said it is my strong suspicion it was a suicide, not that it was a fact; my apologies.

Also, when people think he was reaching for a Vicodin, I am also suspicious as Vicodin is a veryy weak opiate and most folks with Prince's level of addiction (2 shots of Narcan to reverse),are not going to choose Vicodin. The pills were made to look like Vicodin which is less alarming.

authorbest said:

He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information.

I wrote about the 'bombshells" on another thread and it got deleted. The bombshells are in the music if you can read the clues. However, if you don't believe suicide you are really going to have a hard time with the "bombshells" considering some of the things you write above.

It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“.

Let me tell you a little story. Once I was driving home alone at night about 11pm after visiting my mother. I notice a car behind me making the same moves I was. The car followed me down my residential street so my gut started acting up saying their was something weird about that car. I passed my house to the cross street just beyond so I could turn around and park in the right direction in front of my house. When I did this, my car and the other car passed each other going in opposite directions. In my rear view mirror, I saw the car pull a up a driveway and back out quickly and get behind me. I thought that was really weird so I parked in front of a neighbor's house and refused to get out of the car. The car passed me and kept going down the street. When I felt they were a safe distance away, I got out of my car. At that time, 1988, I did not have a magic button key to lock and unlock doors. So I always locked the door automatically when getting out of the car. I got out and locked the door while still watching the car as it moved up the street. When I was out, I saw the brakes lights go on in the car that I was watching. Then I saw the reverse lights go on. Then I heard the sound of the accelerator being pressed very hard. The car came back at me fast and I knew I was in trouble. I knew I did not have enough time to get the car door open again, so I ran for the house. Well to make a long story short, they were purse snatchers, even though they never said that and what seemed like hours were only seconds when I thought I was going to die that night. When I realized they wanted my purse, I let it go and I survived to tell the story. What is my purpose in telling this story? It is: Why did I get out of the car when my gut was telling me there was something not right?

Because I thought I was safe!

I wasn't.

What I believe Prince was saying with this post was that he had Judith Hill. He loved Judith Hill. He thought he was safely over Denise Matthews/Vanity. But when she got the final fatal illness and died, he realized he was not safely over her.

To add further color, I use the death of my parents as examples. They were both older had lived long lives, their health had slowly deteriorated, they were hospitalized for extended periods towards the end. So there was a long period where we, meaning me and my siblings, knew that death was coming. I thought I was prepared. Yet, when it actually happened, it hits like a ton of bricks. You think you are prepared but you are not if you loved your parent. This feeling lasts for quite a long time after. It even gets worse for a time after the funeral. I believe this is what Prince was talking about when making this post. The final illness and death of Denise Matthews hit him like a ton of bricks. He told no one, not even Judith Hill, so no one could try to help him over the hump.

Prince was a hard head in a way. He very much reminds me of the Mongomery Clift character, Robert E. Lee Prewitt, from the film 'From Here To Eternity.' The character loved the army no matter what it did to him. And it eventually killed him. That is how Prince loved Denise Matthews.

[Edited 12/17/19 15:41pm]

Geez Author, you had me until this ^^^.

This is out of left field. Lawdy.

Who has a screenshot of this post by P on IG? When you thought you were safe?

When did Denise get the diagnosis of final fatal illness? What was the final fatal illness?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

authorbest said:

He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information.

I wrote about the 'bombshells" on another thread and it got deleted. The bombshells are in the music if you can read the clues. However, if you don't believe suicide you are really going to have a hard time with the "bombshells" considering some of the things you write above.

It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“.

Let me tell you a little story. Once I was driving home alone at night about 11pm after visiting my mother. I notice a car behind me making the same moves I was. The car followed me down my residential street so my gut started acting up saying their was something weird about that car. I passed my house to the cross street just beyond so I could turn around and park in the right direction in front of my house. When I did this, my car and the other car passed each other going in opposite directions. In my rear view mirror, I saw the car pull a up a driveway and back out quickly and get behind me. I thought that was really weird so I parked in front of a neighbor's house and refused to get out of the car. The car passed me and kept going down the street. When I felt they were a safe distance away, I got out of my car. At that time, 1988, I did not have a magic button key to lock and unlock doors. So I always locked the door automatically when getting out of the car. I got out and locked the door while still watching the car as it moved up the street. When I was out, I saw the brakes lights go on in the car that I was watching. Then I saw the reverse lights go on. Then I heard the sound of the accelerator being pressed very hard. The car came back at me fast and I knew I was in trouble. I knew I did not have enough time to get the car door open again, so I ran for the house. Well to make a long story short, they were purse snatchers, even though they never said that and what seemed like hours were only seconds when I thought I was going to die that night. When I realized they wanted my purse, I let it go and I survived to tell the story. What is my purpose in telling this story? It is: Why did I get out of the car when my gut was telling me there was something not right?

Because I thought I was safe!

I wasn't.

What I believe Prince was saying with this post was that he had Judith Hill. He loved Judith Hill. He thought he was safely over Denise Matthews/Vanity. But when she got the final fatal illness and died, he realized he was not safely over her.

To add further color, I use the death of my parents as examples. They were both older had lived long lives, their health had slowly deteriorated, they were hospitalized for extended periods towards the end. So there was a long period where we, meaning me and my siblings, knew that death was coming. I thought I was prepared. Yet, when it actually happened, it hits like a ton of bricks. You think you are prepared but you are not if you loved your parent. This feeling lasts for quite a long time after. It even gets worse for a time after the funeral. I believe this is what Prince was talking about when making this post. The final illness and death of Denise Matthews hit him like a ton of bricks. He told no one, not even Judith Hill, so no one could try to help him over the hump.

Prince was a hard head in a way. He very much reminds me of the Mongomery Clift character, Robert E. Lee Prewitt, from the film 'From Here To Eternity.' The character loved the army no matter what it did to him. And it eventually killed him. That is how Prince loved Denise Matthews.

[Edited 12/17/19 15:41pm]

Geez Author, you had me until this ^^^.

This is out of left field. Lawdy.

Who has a screenshot of this post by P on IG? When you thought you were safe?

When did Denise get the diagnosis of final fatal illness? What was the final fatal illness?

Who has a screenshot of this post by P on IG? When you thought you were safe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBWraA8BPv8

When did Denise get the diagnosis of final fatal illness? What was the final fatal illness?

Sometime in fall of 2015 but she was having symptoms for a while before she posted this at the end of September.Prince appears extra thin around this time. Earlier in 2015 when he appeared at an award show he appeared normal weight.

Prince restarted his IG account on Oct 22, 2015.

Sclerosis Encapsulating Peritonitis

This is a complication of long term dialysis. Denise lost kidney function in 1994 and had been on dialysis and had a number of health crisises. This last one was fatal.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/esiy74

I figured this all out because when my very religious mother died, I was mourning. My mother, a stanch catholic believed in evangelization, which is not a catholic strong suit. So I looked up evagelization on You Tube and found this video. Many people though my mom was a little religously crazy. I found this lady to be nuts-initially. Then I started to really listen. I found her goofy yet charimatic, funny, unbelievably honest and talked about Jesus and sin with the intensity of my mother. I never really heard of her and wanted to know more. Her autobiography was 2k. So I found other means to understand her story. Well I found more than I bargined for. What an incredible, Shakespherean Tradegy story it all is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9kvVmCsXRw

PeggyO said:

Morgaine said:

PeggyO said: Nope. There was mix of different amounts of femtanyl in the pills found at PP. No two pills that they tested had the same amounts so this theory of a suicide pill doesn't work. Unless you can post actual links to prove what you're saying then it's merely your pov. You're entitled to it but saying it as fact misleading & incorrect.

Did you read about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill in the investigative files? It has been a long time since I have read the files but don't recall reading about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill and how it varied. Can you email me the pg. number with that info;I'd be interested??

One of the bottles by his bedside had Lidocaine pills only. (Aleve or Bayer bottle) Lots of discussion about that (unresolved)

The other bottle (Aleve or Bayer) had pills that were mixed combos of Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

There were 15 pills in tissue on his dresser with Fent and Lidocaine (I believe)

Lots of Fentanyl in that room.

I should have said it is my strong suspicion it was a suicide, not that it was a fact; my apologies.

Also, when people think he was reaching for a Vicodin, I am also suspicious as Vicodin is a veryy weak opiate and most folks with Prince's level of addiction (2 shots of Narcan to reverse),are not going to choose Vicodin. The pills were made to look like Vicodin which is less alarming.

Did you read about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill in the investigative files? It has been a long time since I have read the files but don't recall reading about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill and how it varied. Can you email me the pg. number with that info;I'd be interested??

They sent the pills out for testing for the amount of Fentanyl in each pill to the DEA lab. However, there was no report on the results. The DEA withheld a number of documents from the FOI request, so it may be contained there. It may being held because the DEA case is still open.

As far as the content of the pills, one came back as lidocaine only but they did not test every pill in each bottle they just tested one pill. So some pills could have been lidocaine only and some with some level of Fentanyl. This is not unusual with street pills. We will never know unless they test every pill.

You may have 'strong suspicion' of suicide. But I was certain after I read Judith Hill's interview in the police files.

Your last paragraph implies that Prince was an addict. However, I don't believe that. The reason, he would have had a longer history of strange behavior and there were many notations of half Fentanyl pills. Addicts do not cut narcotic pills in half. I believe Prince was using narcotics as pain management but he was careful, even more careful than a doctor. If you can control your use the Fentanyl pills would be safer to use than the prescription Vicodin and Percocet as the clandestine pills did not contain Acetominophen which can be toxic to the liver.

If you read the moline hospital medical reports in the DEA file, the hospital was worried about liver toxicity because they though that Prince had taken Vicodin with Acetominophen and they knew if he needed two shots of Narcan that he took a lot of pills which would put him in a very scary area with regard to liver toxicity. Prince refused all testing at the hospital. Probably because he knew he took Fentanyl and not Vicodin.

PeggyO said:

I don't have a link to the files & am unsure where they can be found online. Carver County had them but iirc, they're not there anymore. You can always use the search here as there were lots of threads with great detail & time spent by several members here.
Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong - I recall them testing one per bottle that was found at PP. They were found in several places there. Some didn't even have Fentanyl, some had hydrocodone, some had lidocaine, too plus mixes of all 3, etc. Not what one would expect to purchase - the amount differences were so different.
That's partly why I doubt he killed himself. Of course it's possible, I just haven't seen anything in the evidence to convince me that's what happened.
I think it's simple: he had physical injuries & chronic pain due to jumping off pianos 500+ times. No one can do what he did physically, as long as he did, and not have pain/physical ailments. Yeah he was a genius & gifted but he was human, too.
Opiates make you feel good. They take all the pain (not just physical) away & leave you feeling very happy, content, peaceful.
Whether he was an addict or not is impossible to diagnose - dependency to medication is very similar to addiction in many ways.
Try reading the threads here if you're interested - as I said several members put lots of hours & love into trying to find the truth. Penny is one of them ❤
And regardless of whether we all agree how he died, we're all here because he lived. Msybe if we remember that more, we can all get along better.
Peace & be wild 💜

authorbest said:

Your statement that "addicts don't cut pills in half" is not true. That they found half & whole pills does not state that Prince was or was not an addict.
Plenty of addicts try to ration their drugs or they want more than one but not two (because taking two would mean there's a problem but 1.5 is ok).
Imho Prince refused testing because he knew the pills were fake. I personally don't think he knew there was Fentanyl in them - I believe he thought he was taking Norco because that's what worked for his pain. That's common too - to find a med that works & stick to it.
And they weren't Vicodin, there were Norco. Different tylenol levels - Vicodin has 2x the tylenol.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

authorbest said:

He was writing a book that he said was going have "bombshells" of information.

I wrote about the 'bombshells" on another thread and it got deleted. The bombshells are in the music if you can read the clues. However, if you don't believe suicide you are really going to have a hard time with the "bombshells" considering some of the things you write above.

It was widely observed that His final Instagram post, published a week before his death, contained the message “Just When You Thought You Were Safe“.

Let me tell you a little story. Once I was driving home alone at night about 11pm after visiting my mother. I notice a car behind me making the same moves I was. The car followed me down my residential street so my gut started acting up saying their was something weird about that car. I passed my house to the cross street just beyond so I could turn around and park in the right direction in front of my house. When I did this, my car and the other car passed each other going in opposite directions. In my rear view mirror, I saw the car pull a up a driveway and back out quickly and get behind me. I thought that was really weird so I parked in front of a neighbor's house and refused to get out of the car. The car passed me and kept going down the street. When I felt they were a safe distance away, I got out of my car. At that time, 1988, I did not have a magic button key to lock and unlock doors. So I always locked the door automatically when getting out of the car. I got out and locked the door while still watching the car as it moved up the street. When I was out, I saw the brakes lights go on in the car that I was watching. Then I saw the reverse lights go on. Then I heard the sound of the accelerator being pressed very hard. The car came back at me fast and I knew I was in trouble. I knew I did not have enough time to get the car door open again, so I ran for the house. Well to make a long story short, they were purse snatchers, even though they never said that and what seemed like hours were only seconds when I thought I was going to die that night. When I realized they wanted my purse, I let it go and I survived to tell the story. What is my purpose in telling this story? It is: Why did I get out of the car when my gut was telling me there was something not right?

Because I thought I was safe!

I wasn't.

What I believe Prince was saying with this post was that he had Judith Hill. He loved Judith Hill. He thought he was safely over Denise Matthews/Vanity. But when she got the final fatal illness and died, he realized he was not safely over her.

To add further color, I use the death of my parents as examples. They were both older had lived long lives, their health had slowly deteriorated, they were hospitalized for extended periods towards the end. So there was a long period where we, meaning me and my siblings, knew that death was coming. I thought I was prepared. Yet, when it actually happened, it hits like a ton of bricks. You think you are prepared but you are not if you loved your parent. This feeling lasts for quite a long time after. It even gets worse for a time after the funeral. I believe this is what Prince was talking about when making this post. The final illness and death of Denise Matthews hit him like a ton of bricks. He told no one, not even Judith Hill, so no one could try to help him over the hump.

Prince was a hard head in a way. He very much reminds me of the Mongomery Clift character, Robert E. Lee Prewitt, from the film 'From Here To Eternity.' The character loved the army no matter what it did to him. And it eventually killed him. That is how Prince loved Denise Matthews.

[Edited 12/17/19 15:41pm]

Geez Author, you had me until this ^^^.

This is out of left field. Lawdy.

Who has a screenshot of this post by P on IG? When you thought you were safe?

When did Denise get the diagnosis of final fatal illness? What was the final fatal illness?

I have the Twitter screenshot of the full post but not the Instagram. I've never seen anyone with the Instagram post saying the same as the Twitter post, even though both captions started out exactly the same and it's the exact same picture.....leads me to believe both were exactly the same.

[Edited 12/17/19 23:44pm]

authorbest said:

Who has a screenshot of this post by P on IG? When you thought you were safe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBWraA8BPv8

When did Denise get the diagnosis of final fatal illness? What was the final fatal illness?

Sometime in fall of 2015 but she was having symptoms for a while before she posted this at the end of September.Prince appears extra thin around this time. Earlier in 2015 when he appeared at an award show he appeared normal weight.

Prince restarted his IG account on Oct 22, 2015.

Sclerosis Encapsulating Peritonitis

This is a complication of long term dialysis. Denise lost kidney function in 1994 and had been on dialysis and had a number of health crisises. This last one was fatal.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/esiy74

I figured this all out because when my very religious mother died, I was mourning. My mother, a stanch catholic believed in evangelization, which is not a catholic strong suit. So I looked up evagelization on You Tube and found this video. Many people though my mom was a little religously crazy. I found this lady to be nuts-initially. Then I started to really listen. I found her goofy yet charimatic, funny, unbelievably honest and talked about Jesus and sin with the intensity of my mother. I never really heard of her and wanted to know more. Her autobiography was 2k. So I found other means to understand her story. Well I found more than I bargined for. What an incredible, Shakespherean Tradegy story it all is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9kvVmCsXRw

Again, that post "just when you thought you were safe" was tweeted out by a member on the Org. who has explained it. Prince just copied and pasted it because he was not good at tweeting.

authorbest said:

Did you read about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill in the investigative files? It has been a long time since I have read the files but don't recall reading about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill and how it varied. Can you email me the pg. number with that info;I'd be interested??

They sent the pills out for testing for the amount of Fentanyl in each pill to the DEA lab. However, there was no report on the results. The DEA withheld a number of documents from the FOI request, so it may be contained there. It may being held because the DEA case is still open.

As far as the content of the pills, one came back as lidocaine only but they did not test every pill in each bottle they just tested one pill. So some pills could have been lidocaine only and some with some level of Fentanyl. This is not unusual with street pills. We will never know unless they test every pill.

You may have 'strong suspicion' of suicide. But I was certain after I read Judith Hill's interview in the police files.

Your last paragraph implies that Prince was an addict. However, I don't believe that. The reason, he would have had a longer history of strange behavior and there were many notations of half Fentanyl pills. Addicts do not cut narcotic pills in half. I believe Prince was using narcotics as pain management but he was careful, even more careful than a doctor. If you can control your use the Fentanyl pills would be safer to use than the prescription Vicodin and Percocet as the clandestine pills did not contain Acetominophen which can be toxic to the liver.

If you read the moline hospital medical reports in the DEA file, the hospital was worried about liver toxicity because they though that Prince had taken Vicodin with Acetominophen and they knew if he needed two shots of Narcan that he took a lot of pills which would put him in a very scary area with regard to liver toxicity. Prince refused all testing at the hospital. Probably because he knew he took Fentanyl and not Vicodin.

I believe they tested more then just 1 pill from each bottle.

Again it was 'street' drugs that he got a batch from. If these pills were bought legally thru a pharmacy there would not be these varying amounts of fentanyl, and some with no fentanyl in them.

Like Morgaine said, there is no doubt that P was in pain from performing for many years. Taking these pills was rumored to start around 2010 after his hip surgery. It has also been said and noted in books that he did at some points in his life OD several times wayyyy before 2010.

Chances are we all know someone in life who are on pain medication and they don't act all crazy and spaced out like everyone is thinking...and you really wouldn't know if they are using them.

Again, these pills are highly addictive and big Pharma is being sued because they lied to the DR's and patients. They said 'this will not make you an addict, it is to control the pain, and people who take these pills for chronic pain, will not become addicted". ... Well guess what? They become addicted, and then the DR's decide to crack down on the meds, and now we have addicts trying to get the meds, and they are becoming harder and harder to get, so they resort to buying them off the streets and of course, they aren't mixed and cut properly and BAM, people are dying.

He had a pain problem that he was trying to control on his own, and it was working. UNTIL they got too hard to get and resorted to either him getting or someone getting them off of the streets.

I do not believe he KNEW they had fentanyl in them. I believe that he might have had some thoughts that these pills were different because of the way he had been feeling and then after what happened in Moline. For example: He took a pill but it had nothing in it but the lidocaine, he started to not feel well because some of the pills didn't even have codene in them, which would start the withdrawel process. Then he took another pill and that would have codene in it and he'd start coming out of withdrawel, then he took another pill that had so much fentanyl in it, that he almost died on a plane. He was confused on what was happening with his own body because of these pills and the different doseages. That's why I believe he went to the DR. to find out what was happening. The pills he was taking all looked the same. He couldn't figure it out.

PennyPurple said:

Like Morgaine said, there is no doubt that P was in pain from performing for many years. Taking these pills was rumored to start around 2010 after his hip surgery. It has also been said and noted in books that he did at some points in his life OD several times wayyyy before 2010.

Both of his wives have either implied or outright stated he had pills problems. The OD you mention, which was described by Mayte, and then Mani outright saying he took too many opiates during their marriage.

Morgaine said:

PeggyO said:

Did you read about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill in the investigative files? It has been a long time since I have read the files but don't recall reading about the exact amount of Fentanyl in each pill and how it varied. Can you email me the pg. number with that info;I'd be interested??

One of the bottles by his bedside had Lidocaine pills only. (Aleve or Bayer bottle) Lots of discussion about that (unresolved)

The other bottle (Aleve or Bayer) had pills that were mixed combos of Fentanyl and Lidocaine.

There were 15 pills in tissue on his dresser with Fent and Lidocaine (I believe)

Lots of Fentanyl in that room.

I should have said it is my strong suspicion it was a suicide, not that it was a fact; my apologies.

Also, when people think he was reaching for a Vicodin, I am also suspicious as Vicodin is a veryy weak opiate and most folks with Prince's level of addiction (2 shots of Narcan to reverse),are not going to choose Vicodin. The pills were made to look like Vicodin which is less alarming.

I don't have a link to the files & am unsure where they can be found online. Carver County had them but iirc, they're not there anymore. You can always use the search here as there were lots of threads with great detail & time spent by several members here. Someone please correct me here if I'm wrong - I recall them testing one per bottle that was found at PP. They were found in several places there. Some didn't even have Fentanyl, some had hydrocodone, some had lidocaine, too plus mixes of all 3, etc. Not what one would expect to purchase - the amount differences were so different. That's partly why I doubt he killed himself. Of course it's possible, I just haven't seen anything in the evidence to convince me that's what happened. I think it's simple: he had physical injuries & chronic pain due to jumping off pianos 500+ times. No one can do what he did physically, as long as he did, and not have pain/physical ailments. Yeah he was a genius & gifted but he was human, too. Opiates make you feel good. They take all the pain (not just physical) away & leave you feeling very happy, content, peaceful. Whether he was an addict or not is impossible to diagnose - dependency to medication is very similar to addiction in many ways. Try reading the threads here if you're interested - as I said several members put lots of hours & love into trying to find the truth. Penny is one of them ❤ And regardless of whether we all agree how he died, we're all here because he lived. Msybe if we remember that more, we can all get along better. Peace & be wild 💜

I was asking you rhetorically... I am am sorry you missed that subtlety.Please don't make assertions "that there were varying levels of Fentanyl in each pill" You do not know that. This is how fan fiction starts.

I am one of the long-standing posters on the death investigation threads who put love and care into these threads. I also know and respect Penny. She and I may differ at times, but I sense she respects me as well. We are adults and allowed to have occasional differences. But,I do know this, we both care alot about what happened with Prince or we would not be here 3.5 years later.

I am also an RN (25+ yrs) and have given many of these drugs you seem to know so much about.

Norco is extremely weak as is Vicodin. Please read more about pharmacology before you assert.

Of course opiates make you feel good. He likely took them for physical pain and for emotional reasons as well. (at times). I have worked with countless addicts.

If you care to do your "homework" and get up to speed on the aforementioned thread, my screen name was Peggyon.

"peace and be wild"

[Edited 12/18/19 8:28am]

PennyPurple said:

poppys said:

This was benni's tweet. Reply #81

Jan 2nd - Channel 4 (UK) Prince Doc

benni said:

...Prince didn't tweet that he was feeling rejuvenated, feeling inspired, feeling loved. I tweeted that to him three days after the final concert. He just didn't know how to retweet properly and copied and pasted it...

That's IT! Thank you Poppys! I've been trying to search for it.

That one was benni's retweet. Think Prince did tweet the one below. It was probably about coming show dates - people are leaving the new dates coming part out. There's a Just when you thought you were safe thread in the org google search.

JUST WHEN U THOUGHT U WERE SAFE...
NEW DATES COMING!!!

I wanted to bring up some observations I have had while dealing with the death investigation threads over 3.5 years.

As an RN, we deal with a more concentrated 'everyday' experience re: topics such as addiction, suicide,

pain etc. As a result of this experience, I may be a bit more clinical re: these 'taboo' topics. It is not my intent to come across as overly clinical and objective but to try to show that these conditions still carry alot of stigma.

-For example, suicide. There is a big difference between choosing suicide for a terminal illness than a choice someone makes as a result of emotional pain.

I work in CA and it is accepted that if one has a terminal illness, and it is understood

and agreed upon by both MD and patient, it is OK to take a fatal overdose. The MD will prescribe it.

(I happen to believe this was the case with Prince, only my opinion)

I wish we would take some of the 'charge' off of this.

-Another is pain. It seems to me that hip pain is the only condition that is sanctioned by many Prince fans.

Anything else would be stigmatized. In my experience working with addicts there is often

underlying emotional pain that is a result of childhood trauma, abuse, betrayal that contributes to over-use.

It is my wish that we look at Prince as a more fully-fleshed- out human...removing stigma helps with this.

PeggyO said:

You seem offended by my post, which was not my intention. I'm merely stating whst was lesrned by studying the investigation files on similar threads. I did not recognize your user name & thought you were new here based on your statements. No offense intended.
As I said before, we're all here because of Prince. No need to take it personally & if I'm wrong in what I recsll, I have no problems admitting it.
That said, the files did state that there were varying levels of fentanyl in the pills. That is not "fan fiction." I do not have a link, but it's all on here as you probably know.
As for Norco vs Vicodin I stated the fake pills at PP were made to look like Norco, not Vicodin, & that the primary difference is the acetaminophen amounts.
I am not attacking you. I am merely re-stating what the investigation files say.

PeggyO said:

You think a Dr gave him the pills so he could end his life? How is that possible when he died from fentanyl in pills made to look like Norco that all had varying degrees of drugs in them? How would he know which pills to take?
I do believe suicide is possible, it just doesn't seem likely based on the evidence.
I totally he had emotional pain/trauma & the opistes would have relieved both the physical & mental/emotional pains.
His childhood, the loss of his son, parents, marriages, etc imho were all great sources of psin, especially his son. And I do think all of that contributed to his pain, both mental & physical.

Morgaine said:

PeggyO said:

I was asking you rhetorically... I am am sorry you missed that subtlety.Please don't make assertions "that there were varying levels of Fentanyl in each pill" You do not know that. This is how fan fiction starts.

I am one of the long-standing posters on the death investigation threads who put love and care into these threads. I also know and respect Penny. She and I may differ at times, but I sense she respects me as well. We are adults and allowed to have occasional differences. But,I do know this, we both care alot about what happened with Prince or we would not be here 3.5 years later.

I am also an RN (25+ yrs) and have given many of these drugs you seem to know so much about.

Norco is extremely weak as is Vicodin. Please read more about pharmacology before you assert.

Of course opiates make you feel good. He likely took them for physical pain and for emotional reasons as well. (at times). I have worked with countless addicts.

If you care to do your "homework" and get up to speed on the aforementioned thread, my screen name was Peggyon.

"peace and be wild"

[Edited 12/18/19 8:28am]

You seem offended by my post, which was not my intention. I'm merely stating whst was lesrned by studying the investigation files on similar threads. I did not recognize your user name & thought you were new here based on your statements. No offense intended. As I said before, we're all here because of Prince. No need to take it personally & if I'm wrong in what I recsll, I have no problems admitting it. That said, the files did state that there were varying levels of fentanyl in the pills. That is not "fan fiction." I do not have a link, but it's all on here as you probably know. As for Norco vs Vicodin I stated the fake pills at PP were made to look like Norco, not Vicodin, & that the primary difference is the acetaminophen amounts. I am not attacking you. I am merely re-stating what the investigation files say.

The pills were made to look like Vicodin, which is a decoy.(Not Norco)

Please send the link to the "varying levels of Fentanyl"

I am offended. Why do you get to talk disrespectfully to someone who may be new.

I really wish folks would read the threads before coming on with opinions. I am so tired of re-explaining things.