PennyPurple said:

TheKid777 said:

Also If You Look At The Texts Pulled From Kirks Phone In The Crime Docs It Evens Says Around 4 To 6 In The Morning He Says"Sitting Outside PP The Boss Is Asleep"Why In God's Name Are Your Outside PP At 4 To 6 In The Damn Morning And Prince Was Found At 7 To 8 That Morning And Confirmed Dead At 10 That Shows Right There That Something Was Not Right...Yea Kirk Has Stuff In His"Vault"Alright Even Speaking His Name I Hear Thieves In The Temple Playing In My Head.

Where's the link that shows that text from Kirk? I've never, never seen that text in any of the documents. EVER!

AND P was not found between 7-8 that morning.

[Edited 12/15/19 9:29am]

I Downloaded The Files When They Were Released Last Year And I Scanned Thru Them Nonstop and The Time He Was Found And The Time He Was Pronounced Is The "Official" Standard Actual Timing But If U Watch The Dispatch Vids And Actual Think About The Time Zones He Was Found Earlier Than That So That Counts To When They Found Him,When The Medics Were Called,When They Showed Up,When Police Were Dispatched,The Time It Took For Them To Get There,The Time It Took To Work On P And The Official TOD

ALSO ME AND MANY OTHERS I COME ACROSS AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT DAY REMEMBERS CNN FIRST REPORTING "SHOTS FIRED AT PAISLEY PARK" AND THEN CORRECTING IT AS IF NOTHING EVER HAPPENED!!!!

DOES ANYONE ELSE REMEMBER THAT???

authorbest said:

Madhouse6 said:

Prince's death was a suicide. The first attempt was April 15 on the plane stopped by Judith Hill. Plan B was April 21 for the reason you address above. Now figure out the importance of April 15 and you will know why.

What would have been so important for P April 15 to want suicide that very day?Enlighten me I don't know, Thanks

CNN FIRST REPORTING "SHOTS FIRED AT PAISLEY PARK"

Throw that spaghetti at the wall. Suicide cover-up with shots fired? Overdose is a better "story"? SMH

authorbest said:

Prince's death was a suicide. The first attempt was April 15 on the plane stopped by Judith Hill. Plan B was April 21 for the reason you address above. Now figure out the importance of April 15 and you will know why.

The police report does mention shredding of documents by Phaedra and deletion of computer files by Kirk. However, this was hersay information provided by Prince's brother Omarr given to him by Manuela Testolini.

There was a suicide 'note'. A huge one. And everybody missed it including the police.

However, the amount of Fentanyl in Prince's body and Judith Hill's statement should have been enough to conclude suicide. The problem was suicide was ruled almost immediately by police. The medical examiner issued her conclusion of accidnt on June 2, 2016. The amount of Fentanyl should have given the medical examiner pause. Judith Hill was interviewed on June 16, 2016 in Los Angeles. Her statement should have cause revisting of the cause of death. It did not.

Police did not collect the most important piece of evidence: Prince's desk top computer in the yellow room - his office. Judith Hill testified that this was the computer he used.

So what happened?

Prince took a lot of pills on the plane after his mountain top show in Atlanta. Judith Hill notice him pass out and how he passed out. She recognized that it was a life threating situation. She woke up Kirk and altered the flight crew and the plane got down in time to adminster two Narcan shots to save Prince's life.

When Prince was fully awake he was none to happy about being alive. So he went home to work on plan B. April 21. He allowed everyone to think it was a addiction issue to mask his real intent. He seeminlyg cooperated including allowing the doctor to collect blood and urine samples the evening before death because he knew it no longer mattered.

The evening of April 20 he waited until sometime after midnight. Probably setting up the suicide note. Playing a music on the piano. Then he went to his bedroom, took off his shoes. Took handfuls of pills from the disguised Fentanyl in the asprin bottles left on the bedside stand. One pill went flying and landed in the bedsheets. After downing the pills quickly he walked around the coroner to the elevator and laid down.

He was found the next morming. Kirk provided a statement that morning and cooperated with police and even contacted his news contacts given the story to the press.

After the memorial on Saturday, I believe Kirk, Phaedra and Shelia E figured out what happened. That is why I believe documents were shredded and computer files deleted. They were erasing information that Prince left behind about why he did it. What they didn't realize was Prince left behind more information that even they realized. It was huge. So, they did not destroy everything.

This is why they did not talk to police after the first day.

The police turned over the property to Prince's attorney after the first day and did not collect the computer as evidence so it is unlikely that what they did was legally wrong.

They just don't want the public to know it was a suicide nor the reason for the suicide. That is why they are so tight lipped.

There are probably many Prince associates that know it was a suicide or at least suspect it but they were not currently in Prince's life so they were not interviewed by police nor did they offer to provide information probably for the same reasons as those in Prince's life.

Who is authorbest, and why are they hiding behind a new ID?

Playing "a music" on the piano, so what? Prince "knew" which pills contained fentanyl and walked around the "coroner". People not in his life "knew" it was a suicide - riiight.

TheKid777 said:

PennyPurple said:

Where's the link that shows that text from Kirk? I've never, never seen that text in any of the documents. EVER!

AND P was not found between 7-8 that morning.

[Edited 12/15/19 9:29am]

I Downloaded The Files When They Were Released Last Year And I Scanned Thru Them Nonstop and The Time He Was Found And The Time He Was Pronounced Is The "Official" Standard Actual Timing But If U Watch The Dispatch Vids And Actual Think About The Time Zones He Was Found Earlier Than That So That Counts To When They Found Him,When The Medics Were Called,When They Showed Up,When Police Were Dispatched,The Time It Took For Them To Get There,The Time It Took To Work On P And The Official TOD

ALSO ME AND MANY OTHERS I COME ACROSS AND SPEAK ABOUT THAT DAY REMEMBERS CNN FIRST REPORTING "SHOTS FIRED AT PAISLEY PARK" AND THEN CORRECTING IT AS IF NOTHING EVER HAPPENED!!!!

DOES ANYONE ELSE REMEMBER THAT???

Nope. None of what you are saying is true.

poppys said:

authorbest said:

Prince's death was a suicide. The first attempt was April 15 on the plane stopped by Judith Hill. Plan B was April 21 for the reason you address above. Now figure out the importance of April 15 and you will know why.

The police report does mention shredding of documents by Phaedra and deletion of computer files by Kirk. However, this was hersay information provided by Prince's brother Omarr given to him by Manuela Testolini.

There was a suicide 'note'. A huge one. And everybody missed it including the police.

However, the amount of Fentanyl in Prince's body and Judith Hill's statement should have been enough to conclude suicide. The problem was suicide was ruled almost immediately by police. The medical examiner issued her conclusion of accidnt on June 2, 2016. The amount of Fentanyl should have given the medical examiner pause. Judith Hill was interviewed on June 16, 2016 in Los Angeles. Her statement should have cause revisting of the cause of death. It did not.

Police did not collect the most important piece of evidence: Prince's desk top computer in the yellow room - his office. Judith Hill testified that this was the computer he used.

So what happened?

Prince took a lot of pills on the plane after his mountain top show in Atlanta. Judith Hill notice him pass out and how he passed out. She recognized that it was a life threating situation. She woke up Kirk and altered the flight crew and the plane got down in time to adminster two Narcan shots to save Prince's life.

When Prince was fully awake he was none to happy about being alive. So he went home to work on plan B. April 21. He allowed everyone to think it was a addiction issue to mask his real intent. He seeminlyg cooperated including allowing the doctor to collect blood and urine samples the evening before death because he knew it no longer mattered.

The evening of April 20 he waited until sometime after midnight. Probably setting up the suicide note. Playing a music on the piano. Then he went to his bedroom, took off his shoes. Took handfuls of pills from the disguised Fentanyl in the asprin bottles left on the bedside stand. One pill went flying and landed in the bedsheets. After downing the pills quickly he walked around the coroner to the elevator and laid down.

He was found the next morming. Kirk provided a statement that morning and cooperated with police and even contacted his news contacts given the story to the press.

After the memorial on Saturday, I believe Kirk, Phaedra and Shelia E figured out what happened. That is why I believe documents were shredded and computer files deleted. They were erasing information that Prince left behind about why he did it. What they didn't realize was Prince left behind more information that even they realized. It was huge. So, they did not destroy everything.

This is why they did not talk to police after the first day.

The police turned over the property to Prince's attorney after the first day and did not collect the computer as evidence so it is unlikely that what they did was legally wrong.

They just don't want the public to know it was a suicide nor the reason for the suicide. That is why they are so tight lipped.

There are probably many Prince associates that know it was a suicide or at least suspect it but they were not currently in Prince's life so they were not interviewed by police nor did they offer to provide information probably for the same reasons as those in Prince's life.

Who is authorbest, and why are they hiding behind a new ID?

Playing "a music" on the piano, so what? Prince "knew" which pills contained fentanyl and walked around the "coroner". People not in his life "knew" it was a suicide - riiight.

Why are you so triggered over all this conversation in this thread? You are going crazy in here and that in itself is interesting to say the least. Inquiring minds want to know.

Mumio said:

poppys said:

Who is authorbest, and why are they hiding behind a new ID?

Playing "a music" on the piano, so what? Prince "knew" which pills contained fentanyl and walked around the "coroner". People not in his life "knew" it was a suicide - riiight.

Why are you so triggered over all this conversation in this thread? You are going crazy in here and that in itself is interesting to say the least. Inquiring minds want to know.

You posted the below in a reply to me, #281 on page 10, this is page 15. Find where I'm "going crazy". Who exactly is triggered??? This is a public forum, people have different opinons.

Poppy, I apologize for speaking in a manner that made you feel I was saying this directly to you...

[Edited 12/15/19 15:22pm]

lavendardrummachine said:

authorbest said:

There was a suicide 'note'. A huge one. And everybody missed it including the police.

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived? I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one. The mourning would have taken on a different tone. He didn't always seem happy the last few years, but he surrounded himself with younger people he was mentoring, even if it was a rotating door aside from his band, and collaborators, and that doesn't jive with the suicide. The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada? I get the laying down in the elevator part, but can you elaborate where your theory comes from? Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

Excellent questions!

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived?

Judith Hill's statement

I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one.

That is exactly what she and they did. They didn't realize how huge it was. They didn't get everything and that was their fatal mistake.

Shelia says in this interview. "We pretty much know what's going on." We don't want you to focus on his personal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yhH8lgF90

Shelia E is (1) protecting herself because at the very least she should have seen this coming from a mile away. (But not only her but all Prince associates from the early years, including but not limited to members of The Revolution, The Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones) She and they don't want to take the underserved public hits that Judith Hill is taking. In effect Shelia and the others are leaving Judith Hill, Shelia E's supposed friend, twisting in the wind (2) it involves other famous people. I can't say who because when I did on another post it got deleted. You have to wonder who their loyalties are to: Prince or themsleves or the other famous people. (3) This is just my opinion: I believe they all loath the reason why.

The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada?

The Piano and a Microphone Tour was Prince's goodbye tour to fans and to the reason he killed himself.

Canada: Who was born there and spent the early part of her career in Toronto and Montreal. Oakland: Who lived in the Oakland area in recent years?

Why was Prince in Oakland? If you answer this question you know the reason.

Atlanta: Not sure but my theory is that it was a major setting for Gone With The Wind. I thought this even before I saw in the police photograph a stand with DVDs which included this film. Rhett Butler-Scarlett O'Hara reference. Romeo and Juliette or Tristan and Isolde could also apply.

Can you elaborate where your theory comes from?

From me by, studing the music, lyrics, films, videos, live shows and other artistic output of Prince and others together with clues left at Paisley Park the day of death.

Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

I don't understand this question.

Gone With the Wind (the movie)??? c'mon. How is Judith twisting in the wind? The cops believed her and gave her privacy. People knew Prince was going to kill himself decades ago? Fan fiction, and not very good fan fiction.

authorbest said:

Excellent questions!

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived?

Judith Hill's statement

I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one.

That is exactly what she and they did. They didn't realize how huge it was. They didn't get everything and that was their fatal mistake.

Shelia says in this interview. "We pretty much know what's going on." We don't want you to focus on his personal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yhH8lgF90

Shelia E is (1) protecting herself because at the very least she should have seen this coming from a mile away. (But not only her but all Prince associates from the early years, including but not limited to members of The Revolution, The Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones) She and they don't want to take the underserved public hits that Judith Hill is taking. In effect Shelia and the others are leaving Judith Hill, Shelia E's supposed friend, twisting in the wind (2) it involves other famous people. I can't say who because when I did on another post it got deleted. You have to wonder who their loyalties are to: Prince or themsleves or the other famous people. (3) This is just my opinion: I believe they all loath the reason why.

The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada?

The Piano and a Microphone Tour was Prince's goodbye tour to fans and to the reason he killed himself.

Canada: Who was born there and spent the early part of her career in Toronto and Montreal. Oakland: Who lived in the Oakland area in recent years?

Why was Prince in Oakland? If you answer this question you know the reason.

Atlanta: Not sure but my theory is that it was a major setting for Gone With The Wind. I thought this even before I saw in the police photograph a stand with DVDs which included this film. Rhett Butler-Scarlett O'Hara reference. Romeo and Juliette or Tristan and Isolde could also apply.

Can you elaborate where your theory comes from?

From me by, studing the music, lyrics, films, videos, live shows and other artistic output of Prince and others together with clues left at Paisley Park the day of death.

Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

I don't understand this question.

Oh for Pete's sake. Another fan fiction story.

authorbest said:

lavendardrummachine said:

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived? I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one. The mourning would have taken on a different tone. He didn't always seem happy the last few years, but he surrounded himself with younger people he was mentoring, even if it was a rotating door aside from his band, and collaborators, and that doesn't jive with the suicide. The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada? I get the laying down in the elevator part, but can you elaborate where your theory comes from? Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

Excellent questions!

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived?

Judith Hill's statement

I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one.

That is exactly what she and they did. They didn't realize how huge it was. They didn't get everything and that was their fatal mistake.

Shelia says in this interview. "We pretty much know what's going on." We don't want you to focus on his personal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yhH8lgF90

Shelia E is (1) protecting herself because at the very least she should have seen this coming from a mile away. (But not only her but all Prince associates from the early years, including but not limited to members of The Revolution, The Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones) She and they don't want to take the underserved public hits that Judith Hill is taking. In effect Shelia and the others are leaving Judith Hill, Shelia E's supposed friend, twisting in the wind (2) it involves other famous people. I can't say who because when I did on another post it got deleted. You have to wonder who their loyalties are to: Prince or themsleves or the other famous people. (3) This is just my opinion: I believe they all loath the reason why.

The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada?

The Piano and a Microphone Tour was Prince's goodbye tour to fans and to the reason he killed himself.

Canada: Who was born there and spent the early part of her career in Toronto and Montreal. Oakland: Who lived in the Oakland area in recent years?

Why was Prince in Oakland? If you answer this question you know the reason.

Atlanta: Not sure but my theory is that it was a major setting for Gone With The Wind. I thought this even before I saw in the police photograph a stand with DVDs which included this film. Rhett Butler-Scarlett O'Hara reference. Romeo and Juliette or Tristan and Isolde could also apply.

Can you elaborate where your theory comes from?

From me by, studing the music, lyrics, films, videos, live shows and other artistic output of Prince and others together with clues left at Paisley Park the day of death.

Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

I don't understand this question.

authorbest said:

lavendardrummachine said:

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived? I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one. The mourning would have taken on a different tone. He didn't always seem happy the last few years, but he surrounded himself with younger people he was mentoring, even if it was a rotating door aside from his band, and collaborators, and that doesn't jive with the suicide. The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada? I get the laying down in the elevator part, but can you elaborate where your theory comes from? Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

Excellent questions!

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived?

Judith Hill's statement

I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one.

That is exactly what she and they did. They didn't realize how huge it was. They didn't get everything and that was their fatal mistake.

Shelia says in this interview. "We pretty much know what's going on." We don't want you to focus on his personal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yhH8lgF90

Shelia E is (1) protecting herself because at the very least she should have seen this coming from a mile away. (But not only her but all Prince associates from the early years, including but not limited to members of The Revolution, The Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones) She and they don't want to take the underserved public hits that Judith Hill is taking. In effect Shelia and the others are leaving Judith Hill, Shelia E's supposed friend, twisting in the wind (2) it involves other famous people. I can't say who because when I did on another post it got deleted. You have to wonder who their loyalties are to: Prince or themsleves or the other famous people. (3) This is just my opinion: I believe they all loath the reason why.

The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada?

The Piano and a Microphone Tour was Prince's goodbye tour to fans and to the reason he killed himself.

Canada: Who was born there and spent the early part of her career in Toronto and Montreal. Oakland: Who lived in the Oakland area in recent years?

Why was Prince in Oakland? If you answer this question you know the reason.

Atlanta: Not sure but my theory is that it was a major setting for Gone With The Wind. I thought this even before I saw in the police photograph a stand with DVDs which included this film. Rhett Butler-Scarlett O'Hara reference. Romeo and Juliette or Tristan and Isolde could also apply.

Can you elaborate where your theory comes from?

From me by, studing the music, lyrics, films, videos, live shows and other artistic output of Prince and others together with clues left at Paisley Park the day of death.

Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

I don't understand this question.

Interesting.....

Also I am going to add when I was more active on social media and people from Minneapolis made comments on various Prince group and were saying they met Tyka and also Tyka personally told them Prince committed suicide and its best for the fans to move on. Plus her interviews she made in 2017 indiciated she knew Prince was dying for two years and she was waiting for his death. And also some of the associates said the fans were not getting the entire story about what happen. I wished that screencap those comments but those comments I saw were from 2016-2017ish.

I am going to believe his sister before any other fans on this site. Yes Tyka is weird and people have issues with her but at the end of the day she still his sister. Just because that person is weird that doesn't mean they are doltish or something.

This dialogue is important as many in prince fam are still struggling for truth. But, will we ever know facts in our boomer lifetimes? Mods please keep thread going. Fam please keep your comments truthful and kind hearted.

peaceandlove said:

This dialogue is important as many in prince fam are still struggling for truth. But, will we ever know facts in our boomer lifetimes? Mods please keep thread going. Fam please keep your comments truthful and kind hearted.

The fan fiction, is not the truth, it's simply false in so many ways.

I'm all for the facts, but what is spreading in this thread, are peoples imagination.

ladygirl99 said:

authorbest said:

Excellent questions!

What's the source of that or the part where he was unhappy to have been revived?

Judith Hill's statement

I don't picture Sheila E. covering up a suicide note if it was a huge one.

That is exactly what she and they did. They didn't realize how huge it was. They didn't get everything and that was their fatal mistake.

Shelia says in this interview. "We pretty much know what's going on." We don't want you to focus on his personal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-yhH8lgF90

Shelia E is (1) protecting herself because at the very least she should have seen this coming from a mile away. (But not only her but all Prince associates from the early years, including but not limited to members of The Revolution, The Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones) She and they don't want to take the underserved public hits that Judith Hill is taking. In effect Shelia and the others are leaving Judith Hill, Shelia E's supposed friend, twisting in the wind (2) it involves other famous people. I can't say who because when I did on another post it got deleted. You have to wonder who their loyalties are to: Prince or themsleves or the other famous people. (3) This is just my opinion: I believe they all loath the reason why.

The Piano and a mic shows semed pained, but connected with the audiences, and like he was still trying to do that. He could have shut down and been a recluse if he was on his way out. The timing doesn't seem planned. Chanhassen and Oakland seem right for last shows, but Atlanta? Canada?

The Piano and a Microphone Tour was Prince's goodbye tour to fans and to the reason he killed himself.

Canada: Who was born there and spent the early part of her career in Toronto and Montreal. Oakland: Who lived in the Oakland area in recent years?

Why was Prince in Oakland? If you answer this question you know the reason.

Atlanta: Not sure but my theory is that it was a major setting for Gone With The Wind. I thought this even before I saw in the police photograph a stand with DVDs which included this film. Rhett Butler-Scarlett O'Hara reference. Romeo and Juliette or Tristan and Isolde could also apply.

Can you elaborate where your theory comes from?

From me by, studing the music, lyrics, films, videos, live shows and other artistic output of Prince and others together with clues left at Paisley Park the day of death.

Is that the gossip with the associates that knew Prince?

I don't understand this question.

Interesting.....

Also I am going to add when I was more active on social media and people from Minneapolis made comments on various Prince group and were saying they met Tyka and also Tyka personally told them Prince committed suicide and its best for the fans to move on. Plus her interviews she made in 2017 indiciated she knew Prince was dying for two years and she was waiting for his death. And also some of the associates said the fans were not getting the entire story about what happen. I wished that screencap those comments but those comments I saw were from 2016-2017ish.

I am going to believe his sister before any other fans on this site. Yes Tyka is weird and people have issues with her but at the end of the day she still his sister. Just because that person is weird that doesn't mean they are doltish or something.

Yes, Tyka did let that comment slip, (that she knew he was ill for 2 years), and that is why she did not over-react when she was notified of his death with the simple comment, "he is gone."

There was too much Fentanyl in his system for this to be an accident. He was self-medicating and

likely had a huge tolerance. It is naive to think he did not know the content of his drugs.

IMO, he was very ill and there is no shame in a dignified death at that point. What choice did he have?

He could not have waited until he was no longer able to care for himself as he would have been vulnerable to photos etc. Who would have cared for him at that point? Kirk was not qualified.

I understand why he did not trust outsiders to care for him...look how Moline "leaked"

Suicide doesn't fit.

Early onset alzheimers or dementia does. If you've ever seen a loved one go through that, they basically become moody/depressed, scatter-brained and increasingly obsessed with the past. You can explain something to them a million times and it never registers yet they can still do most of the stuff they use to, while in the early stages.

It doesn't steal musical talent but it does make them hand more personal responsibility off onto others (Kirk handling all his business affairs, Joshua handling most of the producing/arranging, Donna taking over most live guitar solos)

Usually, only the closest loved ones can realize that's something wrong.

There's also the extremely weird (deleted) Ebony interview where he's all over the place, him "forgetting" a lyric he sung on a song during a listening event with a journalist where he ran out of the room embarrassed and the last 2014 Rolling Stone interview where he mentions that people have to remind him to eat/drink or else he doesn't. Him forgetting that Brown Mark played bass. Him reportedly forgetting the combination to the vault.

It could also explain him deciding to do three different show with Montreux 2013 (just to say that he still could) before doing a bunch of HNR shows before moving onto a Piano & A Microphone where he could follow where his mind was taking him without cues or endless rehearsals.

Anna Fantastic mentioned that a family member told her that's what the problem was and, it's the only theory I've seen, that was outright deleted from the Org. I tried to make a thread on it with as much proof as I could put together and it was disappeared immediately.

(Oh, and Prince's dad reportedly had alzheimers so it ran in the family)

(Or maybe it's all my imagination. At least it's more interesting than suicide or addiction from chronic pain or two accidental overdoses within a week)

[Edited 12/15/19 21:17pm]

peaceandlove said:

This dialogue is important as many in prince fam are still struggling for truth. But, will we ever know facts in our boomer lifetimes? Mods please keep thread going. Fam please keep your comments truthful and kind hearted.

As long as everyone respect different info instead of policing people who also had different narratives that doesn't match theirs. Then people wonder why many associates don't want to come here to share. SMH.

I am not a baby boomer I am a millennial and I hope to be alive in 2046 to see the full autospy report. I have a feeling some of the first generation Prince associates is going to take whatever they know to the grave.

I just only reported what I saw the comments on social media made by associates and fans who met Tyka so I am being truthful about what I read. Some of the associates (like Jill Jones, Michael Bland and the late John Blackwell) commented that the fans didn't knew the whole story about his death and the information was guarded to protect the fans. I also read that Jill Jones even suggested to us the fans who still struggling with finding the truth that we should move on as well as it is best for the healing process. And also people who met Tyka roundabout in Minneapolis were telling them Prince committed suicide and its best to move on.

I also stated my position too in the past on here and I am not going to again. With the police refusal to release Tyka's full interviews to the public to this day (is it because she revealed the truth? that can challenge the drug addict theory) to Prince goodbye P/M concert to making peace with the people he hurt in the past and had lucid dreams and sleeping more than usual and Judith's statement I am sticking with the suicide theory.

If people want to stick with the accidental drug theory that is on them. IF people don't like my theory then bypass my posts its that simple but they have no business telling people to shut up

[Edited 12/15/19 21:16pm]

TheKid777 said:

Also If You Look At The Texts Pulled From Kirks Phone In The Crime Docs It Evens Says Around 4 To 6 In The Morning He Says"Sitting Outside PP The Boss Is Asleep"Why In God's Name Are Your Outside PP At 4 To 6 In The Damn Morning And Prince Was Found At 7 To 8 That Morning And Confirmed Dead At 10 That Shows Right There That Something Was Not Right...Yea Kirk Has Stuff In His"Vault"Alright Even Speaking His Name I Hear Thieves In The Temple Playing In My Head.

You have NO FACTS to back up this statement.

Carry On My Wayward Sons. There will be peace when you are done.

Strive said:

Suicide doesn't fit.

Early onset alzheimers or dementia does. If you've ever seen a loved one go through that, they basically become moody/depressed, scatter-brained and increasingly obsessed with the past. You can explain something to them a million times and it never registers yet they can still do most of the stuff they use to, while in the early stages.

It doesn't steal musical talent but it does make them hand more personal responsibility off onto others (Kirk handling all his business affairs, Joshua handling most of the producing/arranging, Donna taking over most live guitar solos)

Usually, only the closest loved ones can realize that's something wrong.

There's also the extremely weird (deleted) Ebony interview where he's all over the place, him "forgetting" a lyric he sung on a song during a listening event with a journalist where he ran out of the room embarrassed and the last 2014 Rolling Stone interview where he mentions that people have to remind him to eat/drink or else he doesn't. Him forgetting that Brown Mark played bass. Him reportedly forgetting the combination to the vault.

It could also explain him deciding to do three different show with Montreux 2013 (just to say that he still could) before doing a bunch of HNR shows before moving onto a Piano & A Microphone where he could follow where his mind was taking him without cues or endless rehearsals.

Anna Fantastic mentioned that a family member told her that's what the problem was and, it's the only theory I've seen, that was outright deleted from the Org. I tried to make a thread on it with as much proof as I could put together and it was disappeared immediately.

(Oh, and Prince's dad reportedly had alzheimers so it ran in the family)

(Or maybe it's all my imagination. At least it's more interesting than suicide or addiction from chronic pain or two accidental overdoses within a week)

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Folks who know they are in early stages of dementia can be suicidal as it is a tremendous loss.

PeggyO said:

ladygirl99 said:

Interesting.....

Also I am going to add when I was more active on social media and people from Minneapolis made comments on various Prince group and were saying they met Tyka and also Tyka personally told them Prince committed suicide and its best for the fans to move on. Plus her interviews she made in 2017 indiciated she knew Prince was dying for two years and she was waiting for his death. And also some of the associates said the fans were not getting the entire story about what happen. I wished that screencap those comments but those comments I saw were from 2016-2017ish.

I am going to believe his sister before any other fans on this site. Yes Tyka is weird and people have issues with her but at the end of the day she still his sister. Just because that person is weird that doesn't mean they are doltish or something.

Yes, Tyka did let that comment slip, (that she knew he was ill for 2 years), and that is why she did not over-react when she was notified of his death with the simple comment, "he is gone."

There was too much Fentanyl in his system for this to be an accident. He was self-medicating and

likely had a huge tolerance. It is naive to think he did not know the content of his drugs.

IMO, he was very ill and there is no shame in a dignified death at that point. What choice did he have?

He could not have waited until he was no longer able to care for himself as he would have been vulnerable to photos etc. Who would have cared for him at that point? Kirk was not qualified.

I understand why he did not trust outsiders to care for him...look how Moline "leaked"

Yup.

How am I am going to trust the system (the coroner's office and law enforcement-who did a piss poor job with the investigation) after they telling us fans that Prince was basically a drug addict when they: refuse to release Tyka's and Kirk's full statements and the full autopsy report (and every freaking document that is relates to this case is redacted) and why they are not telling us how many pills he might had consume? We know the levels he had in his system per toxicology report but why to this day won't they give us an answer about how many pills he digested? If they refused to disclose the information that I mentioned, then I refuse to buy their accidental drug overdose theory.

I don't believed he committed suicide because he hated life he committed suicide because his body was deteriorating and he wanted to control how he dies before Mother Earth does it.

lavendardrummachine said:

Astasheiks said:

Worth repeating...Listen to first part of this...

The best thing about that link are the extra police photos and someone that sounds like Bobby Z. trying to offer a tip about drug use, and blaming the third eye girls. hahah. The receipt for enemas, Maxim and Vogue magazines, the new pack of generic Walgreens toothbrushes... I can't hear the murder theories through my surprise that Prince didn't eat that healthy, and was really into convnience store brands for food, and beauty products...I expected health food store vitamins at the very least.

Prince(r.i.p.) purchased some of his vitamins from the Vitamin Shoppe. Which is a very well known health food store for vitamins that I frequent.

Strive said:

Based on the information we have, to me the most simple explanation is: hip surgery > gradual addiction to opiates via initial pain medication > hiding it from everyone too well until the end > death accidental by procuring laced pills.

LoveGalore said:

When did Prince "run out of the room embarrassed"??

Can't find the original but I found a mention of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/12/prince-interview-paisley-park-studios-minneapolis

Strive said:

EnDoRpHn said:

Here’s the passage, which you’re misconstruing:

That's literally what I bolded. How am I misconstruing it?

Strive said:

LoveGalore said:

When did Prince "run out of the room embarrassed"??

Can't find the original but I found a mention of it.

It would be intriguing to know where he draws the line now – among the covers he and Andy Allo recorded was an old song of his, I Love U in Me, which is hardly Sunday school fare, while a journalist invited to Paisley Park to hear his recent album Plectrumelectrum was startled to see Prince run from the room when a particularly spicy lyric he’d “forgotten about” blared from the speakers – but his answer is a little vague. “It just makes me think more in terms of detail.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/12/prince-interview-paisley-park-studios-minneapolis

Ah, I don't think he was embarrassed so much as he would be making a note to edit the lyric or something of that nature. When I think "run out of the room embarrassed", I am thinking of humiliation. Which is not Prince's gig.