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Printable Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html | |
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Not sure how to feel about this book. Would not recommend to someone who was not a fan. | |
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TheTruth123 said: I may put out some specifics here. One that comes to mind is that Prince said that it is better if parents stay together. Actually, a child would rather grow up in a broken home then a dysfunctional one. But he only had the one experience to go off of.
Reading what writes I can only imagine how hard it was to have a new man (his stepfather) in the house. [Edited 11/1/19 16:23pm] That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother. * I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded. * All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him. * Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father. [Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm] | |
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"if you can't clap on the one, then don't clap at all" | |
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violetcrush said: TheTruth123 said: I may put out some specifics here. One that comes to mind is that Prince said that it is better if parents stay together. Actually, a child would rather grow up in a broken home then a dysfunctional one. But he only had the one experience to go off of.
Reading what writes I can only imagine how hard it was to have a new man (his stepfather) in the house. [Edited 11/1/19 16:23pm] That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother. * I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded. * All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him. * Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father. [Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm] Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. [Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm] | |
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TheTruth123 said: violetcrush said: That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother. * I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded. * All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him. * Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father. [Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm] Wjen I looked jack I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down. * Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life. | |
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. Hype sells product. People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes. Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.
He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography. | |
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I just finished reading it. It is incredible. I love every.single.page in this book. | |
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quote from the wordy negative review from above:
"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."
Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months, and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.
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TheTruth123 said: violetcrush said: That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother. * I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded. * All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him. * Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father. [Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm] Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. [Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm] When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever. I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman. As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows. Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that. And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol. | |
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Interesting points. He never talked too much about his mom but I bet there will be many discussions here re: her impact on him. In fairness to her, she was very young, (she was 25, he was in his early 40's), had 2 very young children and sounded overwhelmed and lonely. I wonder if she emotionally abandoned Prince at times, but at other times, overwhelmed him with her needs. It would be interesting to know how it was for Prince between 7 and 12 with mom. He clearly loved her.
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There has to be much more we're not getting...from the love letter and the way mom would get dressed up for date nights it seemed she truly loved her husband. But like you said, home all day & all night (while dad was at the clubs) with 2 small kids would easily grow wearisome after a while and loneliness and resentment would likely build up. You can see both sides...Dad trying to build a life, Mom lonely and wanting adult time.. [Edited 11/1/19 22:26pm] | |
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and dont forget she also had an older son , Alfred . who i assume was living with his father ...and John had other children including Duane who also had a complicated beginning in life | |
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Good review, thank you for posting | |
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Here's another review from german TV:
https://www.zdf.de/kultur/aspekte/prince-autobiografie-the-beautiful-ones-100.html |
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casi1 said: TheTruth123 said: Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. [Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm] When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever. I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman. As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows. Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that. And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol. “Maybe you’re just like my Mother, she’s never satisfied. Maybe I’m just like my Father, too bold.” WDC Prince was describing a relationship with a woman that was just like his parents. Passion, heat, jealousy and rage. * I think we have to be careful about putting too much blame on his Mother for the divorce. She was much younger than his Father and alone all the time with two babies. His Dad would work all day and then go play jazz with his band through the night. So, I’m sure she often felt like a single parent. It’s possible that she went out to escape the pressures of her home life. Generally speaking, men did not do much of the child care back then. Doing it all yourself is difficult and exhausting, especially if you do not have that maternal instinct. * Interestingly, his Mother went on to get her Masters in Social Work, and worked as a Social Worker. | |
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quote from the wordy negative review from above:
"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."
Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months, and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.
I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total. | |
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casi1 said: TheTruth123 said: Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. [Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm] When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever. I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman. As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows. Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that. And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol. That is what most people would interpret his words to mean. But prince was deeply spiritual. I have to look deeper into his words. What is on the surface is not always what this man means | |
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violetcrush said: TheTruth123 said: Wjen I looked jack I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that. I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way. I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down. * Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life. I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect. | |
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I confess my fav part of the book is page 195 where Prince is quoted from Musician mag 1983 comparing Mpls. to NYC, then going on to say a lot of warped people come out of Mpls 'I know a lot warped girls, okay? Warped to me means they see things differently than I do, I suppose'
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PennyPurple said:
That would be awesome, I wonder if he is a member here? I wondered about that, too. I’m sure he knows about the Org, at least. Any journalist writing about Prince that’s worth their salt must know about this place. | |
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casi1 said: When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever. I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman. As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows. Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that. And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol. That’s how I interpreted it, too. I thought this was such a revealing quote. I read the book in one sitting; I have to go back and read it again. | |
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I think it's a mature comment (keep part of yourself/heart to yourself) Dare I say, I take it to mean no human or thing or whatever you seek wholeheartedly outside yourself will complete or fill or make whole for anyone. It is that part that you can only go to God with like a dark night of the soul experience I think there is a time in every person's life when your face hits the asphalt no-where left to turn It is you and whomever whatever gets you through.
or maybe I'm a warped gal from Mpls.
But it is sage advice. You would tell it to your children. Keep yourself intact, true, etc. | |
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When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from? Christopher damn! | |
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The rest is pictures and handwritten songs, with some interviews he had done. The Estate gave them access to PP to go in and see if there was anything they could use to complete the book. If you haven't gotten it yet, it would be a great think to have. | |
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How many sang the songs in their head, while reading what he wrote? | |
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PennyPurple said: How many sang the songs in their head, while reading what he wrote? 🙋🏼♀️ every single one...lol! | |
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