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BartVanHemelen

Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (29 October) (part 3)

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The previous thread auto-locked: https://prince.org/msg/7/460586

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New articles:

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Interview with Dan Piepenbring by Associated Press News (lotsa spoilers, obviously): https://www.apnews.com/3b...2fcbbaef47

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Billboard reprints the AP interview:

https://www.billboard.com...y-for-fans

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CBS News has an excerpt from the book: https://www.cbsnews.com/n...iful-ones/

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Overview of much anticipated books in USA Today, contains an excerpt from their review (which isn't yet online): https://eu.usatoday.com/s...458082001/

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Short Associated Press News article that is reprinted all over the place: https://www.apnews.com/f2...2259c29c7f

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Looks like French magazine Jazz Magazine will have an article on the book in their upcoming issue: https://twitter.com/fredg...2477584385

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Prince's book, The Beautiful Ones, is out now on Penguin Random House.

Purchase it here or in your local bookstore.


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Reply #1 posted 10/26/19 3:10pm

LoveGalore

Peeped the article with his drawings. Crazy/fascinating stuff. Really can't wait for this.
Reply #2 posted 10/26/19 7:20pm

Goddess4Real

LoveGalore said:

Peeped the article with his drawings. Crazy/fascinating stuff. Really can't wait for this.

yeahthat

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
Reply #3 posted 10/28/19 2:31pm

FrankieCoco1

BBC article with some images:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50174377
Reply #4 posted 10/28/19 2:39pm

BartVanHemelen


NPR's review of Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: reviews can be SPOILERISH): https://www.npr.org/2019/...one-s-mind

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Huffington Post's review of Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: reviews can be SPOILERISH): https://www.huffpost.com/...93740424bc

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USA Today's review of Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: reviews can be SPOILERISH): https://eu.usatoday.com/s...067894002/

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The Current's review of Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: reviews can be SPOILERISH): https://www.thecurrent.or...ook-review

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CBS News item (7.5 minutes) on Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" and the upcoming "1999 Deluxe":

(This item contains numerous spoilers for the book, including many previously unseen photos and handwritten pages. It also contains a small excerpt from an outtake from the "1999" era, but I didn't recognize it. Sounds like an alternate or live version of "Do Me, Baby", in fact.)

https://www.cbsnews.com/n...iful-ones/

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Here’s an exclusive, behind-the-scenes look of Dan Piepenbring at Paisley Park with CBSSunday https://twitter.com/Paisl...3296909313

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USA Today interviewed Dan Piepenbring about Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: obviously this contains SPOILERS): https://eu.usatoday.com/s...457211001/

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Variety's review of Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: reviews can be SPOILERISH): https://variety.com/2019/...203383683/

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Review by Scott Woods: https://scottwoodsmakesli...iful-ones/

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Reply #5 posted 10/28/19 3:03pm

2freaky4church1

Who knew the boy could write?

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #6 posted 10/28/19 3:05pm

Astasheiks

I suppose the money earned from the sell of this book will go to Prince's Estate? confused smile

Reply #7 posted 10/28/19 3:12pm

poppys

Damn, they cut off the best part of the cover photo!

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[Edited 10/28/19 17:13pm]

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #8 posted 10/28/19 3:23pm

BartVanHemelen

Astasheiks said:

I suppose the money earned from the sell of this book will go to Prince's Estate? confused smile

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If you care so much, why don't you read the extensive legal documents linked in the estate thread?

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Reply #9 posted 10/28/19 3:24pm

BartVanHemelen

Good Morning America segment on Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones", including interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: SPOILERISH): https://www.youtube.com/w...9R8ePvvCbo

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NPR's Fresh Air has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.npr.org/2019/...-co-writer

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Reply #10 posted 10/28/19 4:24pm

poppys

[Edited 10/28/19 17:08pm]

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #11 posted 10/28/19 4:54pm

sulls

Got mine!
"I like to watch."
Reply #12 posted 10/28/19 5:10pm

herb4

Beaten, but came here to post the NPR interview

I read a lot into it but it could just be confirmation bias. Seems to me Prince knew he was on borrowed time and I honestly don't think it was from the drug addiction.


BartVanHemelen said:

Astasheiks said:

I suppose the money earned from the sell of this book will go to Prince's Estate? confused smile

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If you care so much, why don't you read the extensive legal documents linked in the estate thread?


Because nobody here is as smart as you are, obviously.

God you insufferable. Are you like this on your day to day to life or do you save it all up for us?

Reply #13 posted 10/28/19 5:49pm

violetcrush

Couldn’t wait and had to peak at some of the links. One thing is clear - Prince had a talent for drawing from the start, and a unique mind based on the full cover shot biggrin
Reply #14 posted 10/28/19 6:25pm

Militant

moderator

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My full YouTube review can be found here. Don't watch it if you don't want to see spoilers.

Can't wait to read all of your thoughts.


Reply #15 posted 10/28/19 11:56pm

PurpleBlackmon

I don't know about this. Prince didn't even come close to completing this. As of matter of fact he passed just as he was starting. I bet this is just another Bio, made up mostly of compiled past and already published interviews.

Reply #16 posted 10/29/19 1:00am

BartVanHemelen

PurpleBlackmon said:

I don't know about this. Prince didn't even come close to completing this. As of matter of fact he passed just as he was starting. I bet this is just another Bio, made up mostly of compiled past and already published interviews.

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Why do you lot keep lying? The contents of the book have been known since April, and through numerous articles in the past week we now know exactly what the book contains. Try reading them instead of making shit up.

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Reply #17 posted 10/29/19 1:28am

JorisE73

Have the PDF vrsion while waiting for the actual book and can't wait to read it tonight.

Reply #18 posted 10/29/19 2:32am

LoveGalore

PurpleBlackmon said:

I don't know about this. Prince didn't even come close to completing this. As of matter of fact he passed just as he was starting. I bet this is just another Bio, made up mostly of compiled past and already published interviews.



You should know better.

Though as someone who has the book already, I can certainly confirm its not what you said it is.
Reply #19 posted 10/29/19 2:34am

darkroman

WOW, that early configuration of ''For You'' looks amazing - considering half of the songs on there are not even listed on Prince Vault!

Prince Vault are going to be very busy making updates!!!!

Side One:
For You
Bodyfreeze
Never Really Fell Out Of Love With You
You Are Everything To Me
I Spend My Time Loving You

Side Two:
Soft And Wet
Baby
Let Me Touch You
Love In The Morning
Send In The Clowns


cool


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[Edited 10/29/19 2:39am]

Reply #20 posted 10/29/19 3:12am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.demorgen.be/t...~b46f843b/

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Long review contrasting The Beautiful Ones with Morris Day's On Time in Belgian newspaper De Morgen today (in Dutch). In the newspaper there is a big photo on the front page of the newspaper, and the review takes up the first 1.5 page of the second section of the newspaper. (I'll post photos later.)

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Reply #21 posted 10/29/19 3:51am

LoveGalore

Interesting to see what songs Purple Rain was gonna have before it was Purple Rain!

No wonder he went back to these sessions for a graffiti Bridge.
Reply #22 posted 10/29/19 4:11am

BartVanHemelen

Item (in Dutch) on De Ochtendshow To Go: https://www.gids.tv/video...over-jeugd

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Reply #23 posted 10/29/19 4:11am

yello1

[Edited 10/29/19 10:01am]

Reply #24 posted 10/29/19 4:12am

BartVanHemelen

FranceInfo review (in French): https://www.francetvinfo....79029.html

[Edited 10/29/19 4:30am]

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Reply #25 posted 10/29/19 4:18am

BartVanHemelen

DW review (in German): https://www.dw.com/de/pri...a-51019175

[Edited 10/29/19 4:30am]

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Reply #26 posted 10/29/19 4:23am

BartVanHemelen

Interview with Piepenbring in Morgenpost (in German): https://www.morgenpost.de...k-vor.html

[Edited 10/29/19 4:31am]

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Reply #27 posted 10/29/19 4:24am

BartVanHemelen

FranceInter article on the book (in French): https://www.franceinter.f...-librairie

[Edited 10/29/19 4:31am]

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Reply #28 posted 10/29/19 4:26am

bonnie184

Reply #29 posted 10/29/19 4:30am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #30 posted 10/29/19 4:31am

BartVanHemelen

bonnie184 said:

USA TODAY review https://www.usatoday.com/...067894002/

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Already posted yesterday.

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Reply #31 posted 10/29/19 4:41am

rogifan

#2 on Amazon (US). smile


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[Edited 10/29/19 4:42am]

Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #32 posted 10/29/19 5:21am

violetcrush

Today is the day!! I better see that square package in my mailbox. Don’t let me down Amazon!!! biggrin
Reply #33 posted 10/29/19 5:39am

benni

Mine says it is out for delivery! But boo! I have to do two visits today, one this morning and one in the afternoon, but I'm off tomorrow! So I can spend all day savoring that book.

Reply #34 posted 10/29/19 8:00am

PURPLEIZED3121

shout out to BVH for posting all the links & keeping us all up to speed. An annoying fan at the best of times BUT very useful on occasion! razz

Seriously though , thanks, these links are great.

Possibly one THE most important releases of any kind under the Prince banner.

Reply #35 posted 10/29/19 8:01am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

PurpleBlackmon said:

I don't know about this. Prince didn't even come close to completing this. As of matter of fact he passed just as he was starting. I bet this is just another Bio, made up mostly of compiled past and already published interviews.

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Why do you lot keep lying? The contents of the book have been known since April, and through numerous articles in the past week we now know exactly what the book contains. Try reading them instead of making shit up.

i resisted giving that muppet any abuse..seriously some fans!! Well done for doing it for me BVH!

Reply #36 posted 10/29/19 9:14am

violetcrush

benni said:

Mine says it is out for delivery!  But boo!  I have to do two visits today, one this morning and one in the afternoon, but I'm off tomorrow!  So I can spend all day savoring that book.


Lucky you! I’ll be doing my best to stay awake tonight so I can finish all or most of it before work tomorrow smile
Reply #37 posted 10/29/19 9:16am

violetcrush

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

shout out to BVH for posting all the links & keeping us all up to speed. An annoying fan at the best of times BUT very useful on occasion!  razz


 


Seriously though , thanks, these links are great. 


 


Possibly one THE most important releases of any kind under the Prince banner. 


Yes!!! Bart is the Org’s “link Lieutenant” biggrin
Reply #38 posted 10/29/19 10:01am

yello1

[Book discussion. Off topic snip - luv4u]

Reply #39 posted 10/29/19 10:12am

PURPLEIZED3121

yello1 said:

[Book discussion. Off topic snip - luv4u]

[Edited 10/29/19 10:13am]

Reply #40 posted 10/29/19 11:58am

antonb

Just read it, just feels like i read an unfinished book! Which i know it is, ofcourse, Its ok, the best bits are what prince actually wrote. So its a real shame that he never got to finish it. Anyhow, i dont think i will be reading it again.

Reply #41 posted 10/29/19 2:42pm

funksterr

I'm squinting and squeezing my eyes.. eyepop uh... what dis book say? biggrin biggrin

Reply #42 posted 10/29/19 3:10pm

williamb610

As far as this book, it's the little things with P for me; the little things which make him seem like a brother to me. His Dad looks like he could have been one of my Granddad's brothers; were any of his Dad's brothers from Mississippi? His Mom stands sharply dressed by a car on one page that has my initials in the tag. P died on the 21st; I was born on the 21st.

As far as a book, I don't know how deep it is but, as a fan, it's all the link that I have to the Supernova that was Prince. Outside of the music, that's all I/we've got!

I do like the talk about playing husband, as a kid, to some girl name Laura Winnick.

[Edited 10/29/19 15:14pm]

Reply #43 posted 10/29/19 3:36pm

bsprout

I'm reading P's written words and holding back tears. I know there aren't many pages left to read of what he left us, and can only imagine what else he would have revealed. It's just sad. I guess I'll have to make do with all the music. And really, who can complain about that??... Dan Piepenbring's writing is superb so far. I never thought this book would be released as soon as it was and I'm just glad to have it.

Reply #44 posted 10/29/19 3:38pm

soladeo1

Good heavens...I loved this book. Consumed it in one multi-hour sitting when I should have been working this afternoon.

Pure heaven to experience the thoughts and rememberances and see the hand-written notes and lyrics...

Thank you, Mr. Piepenbring, for briging this treasure to the masses...

Reply #45 posted 10/29/19 3:58pm

donnyenglish

Thank you Dan. Well done.
Reply #46 posted 10/29/19 4:05pm

Shockadelica9

I wanted to read more about his girlfriend Cari 😔😔😔 this book ends abruptly
Reply #47 posted 10/29/19 4:31pm

BartVanHemelen

People magazine reviews Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://people.com/music/...iful-ones/

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Kirkus reviews Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.kirkusreviews...iful-ones/

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UK newspaper The Times reviews Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.thetimes.co.u...-f5vd7rj5g

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The Hollywood Reporter: "Prince's Book Agent Reveals an Unconventional Path to ‘Beautiful Ones’" (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.hollywoodrepo...es-1250555

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CNN: "What we learned from Prince's memoir" (obviously SPOILERS) :https://edition.cnn.com/2...index.html

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Reply #48 posted 10/29/19 4:34pm

TheEnglishGent

Has anyone translated what Prince writes in the handwritten bits 'coz I can't read his writing! neutral

[Edited 10/29/19 16:34pm]

RIP sad
Reply #49 posted 10/29/19 4:45pm

soladeo1

From reading THE BEAUTIFUL ONES I've uncovered some here-to-unknown tracks...at least unknown to me, a pretty big Prince fan since 1983 or so...

From the For You Sessions:

Bodyfreeze

Never Really Fell Out Of Love With You

You Are Everything To Me

I Spend My Time Loving You

Let Me Touch You

Love In the Morning

Send In The Clowns (????)

From the Purple Rain Sessions:

Too Tough (is this the same as Too Rough??)

I Just Wanna Be Rich

Have any of you heard of these songs before???

[Edited 10/29/19 16:46pm]

Reply #50 posted 10/29/19 5:00pm

benni

TheEnglishGent said:

Has anyone translated what Prince writes in the handwritten bits 'coz I can't read his writing! neutral

[Edited 10/29/19 16:34pm]


It is typed out following the handwritten section.

Reply #51 posted 10/29/19 5:42pm

violetcrush

soladeo1 said:

From reading THE BEAUTIFUL ONES I've uncovered some here-to-unknown tracks...at least unknown to me, a pretty big Prince fan since 1983 or so...


 


From the For You Sessions:


 


Bodyfreeze


Never Really Fell Out Of Love With You


You Are Everything To Me


I Spend My Time Loving You


Let Me Touch You


Love In the Morning


Send In The Clowns (????)


 


 


From the Purple Rain Sessions:


 


Too Tough (is this the same as Too Rough??)


I Just Wanna Be Rich


 


Have any of you heard of these songs before???

[Edited 10/29/19 16:46pm]


I Spend My Time Loving You - yes
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Send In The Clowns - not a Prince song - written by Stephen Sondheim for the 1973 musical A Little Night Music, and then covered by Frank Sinatra and Judy Collins in the mid 70’s.
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Rest of the songs - no
Reply #52 posted 10/29/19 5:46pm

violetcrush

My freakin’ book is not arriving until 11:00pm tonight. Thanks a lot Amazon. There goes my plan for tonight mad
Reply #53 posted 10/29/19 6:05pm

rogifan

donnyenglish said:

Thank you Dan. Well done.


I've only read Dan's intro so far but it was well written. Can't wait to dive into the rest.

Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #54 posted 10/29/19 8:31pm

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

Hope to get more discussion after everyone reads it, cuz I didn't, and probably won't order it.
mushy
Reply #55 posted 10/29/19 9:11pm

mnfriend

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

Reply #56 posted 10/29/19 10:13pm

dplatt

I got the Kindle version this morning and finished really quickly. The biggest surprise for me? Sometimes it Snows in April was on an early configuration of For You! The song has apparently been floating around for that long.

Reply #57 posted 10/29/19 10:58pm

PurpleMusic7689

The lyrics for "Vagina" were one of my highlights... Look closely and you'll see they're written on the back of a comic strip.
Personally, I see the drawing of Vagina looking a bit like Prince (minus the illustrated breasts...).
usually known as "Leaped7689"
Reply #58 posted 10/29/19 11:06pm

mnfriend

mnfriend said:

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

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Reply #59 posted 10/30/19 12:27am

BartVanHemelen

Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.volkskrant.nl...~bc9a0bc0/

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Reply #60 posted 10/30/19 12:30am

BartVanHemelen

French newspaper Le Monde reviews Prince's memoir "The Beautiful Ones" (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.lemonde.fr/bi...32693.html

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Reply #61 posted 10/30/19 12:36am

BartVanHemelen

There is an excerpt from Tamron Hall's interview with Dan Piepenbring in this video (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH):
https://people.com/tv/tam...attention/

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Reply #62 posted 10/30/19 12:41am

TheEnglishGent

benni said:

 



TheEnglishGent said:


Has anyone translated what Prince writes in the handwritten bits 'coz I can't read his writing!  neutral


[Edited 10/29/19 16:34pm]




It is typed out following the handwritten section.


Ah, that’ awesome, thanks. I only got to it latest night, read a chunk of the intro and had a little flick through.
RIP sad
Reply #63 posted 10/30/19 12:43am

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

BartVanHemelen said:

There is an excerpt from Tamron Hall's interview with Dan Piepenbring in this video (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): 
https://people.com/tv/tamron-hall-selfie-cover-art-prince-if-eye-could-get-ur-attention/


Lol this is the same link that mnfriend got snipped for. 😃

The email 😐 😒 geez


😂
mushy
Reply #64 posted 10/30/19 1:02am

BartVanHemelen

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

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Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

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If you've read it, please do not use this thread to discuss the most salacious bits; start separate ones for those. I'm including the link here since this is an interview that is part of the publicity wave for the book, and Piepenbring does discuss the book and its contents.

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But again: some parts of this interview sound wildly out of character for Dan when you compare them to the dozens of other interviews he's done or to the introduction of the book.

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Reply #65 posted 10/30/19 3:22am

yello1

BartVanHemelen said:

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

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Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

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If you've read it, please do not use this thread to discuss the most salacious bits; start separate ones for those. I'm including the link here since this is an interview that is part of the publicity wave for the book, and Piepenbring does discuss the book and its contents.

.

But again: some parts of this interview sound wildly out of character for Dan when you compare them to the dozens of other interviews he's done or to the introduction of the book.

I can´t read it ...can you post it?

Reply #66 posted 10/30/19 3:24am

BartVanHemelen

A sort-of review on Belgian website VRT NWS (in Dutch) (BEWARE: likely SPOILERS): https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws...an-prince/

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Also available here: https://radio1.be/vandaag...it-geweest

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(Note that both articles also features an audio recording of the conversation with one of the two people interviewed for the article: Sasha Van der Speeten.)

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[Edited 10/30/19 6:11am]

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Reply #67 posted 10/30/19 5:02am

violetcrush

bsprout said:

I'm reading P's written words and holding back tears. I know there aren't many pages left to read of what he left us, and can only imagine what else he would have revealed.  It's just sad.  I guess I'll have to make do with all the music.  And really, who can complain about that??...  Dan Piepenbring's writing is superb so far.  I never thought this book would be released as soon as it was and I'm just glad to have it.


He put most of his life and thoughts into his music. Each album/song is really a portal into his brain at the time it was recorded.
*
For me, his handwritten drawings/notes and the old photos never before seen are special to see. That is, if I EVER get my copy from Amazon confused
Reply #68 posted 10/30/19 6:12am

BartVanHemelen

Interview with Dan Piepenbring in Dutch newsaper Het Parool (BEWARE: obviously SPOILERISH): https://www.parool.nl/kun...~baef9d74/

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Reply #69 posted 10/30/19 6:23am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #70 posted 10/30/19 6:24am

BartVanHemelen

Review by Funk-U (in French): http://www.funku.fr/2019/...inacheves/

.

[Edited 10/30/19 6:30am]

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Reply #71 posted 10/30/19 6:30am

BartVanHemelen

Review by LCI (in French): https://www.lci.fr/sortie...36218.html

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Reply #72 posted 10/30/19 7:49am

antonb

violetcrush said:

bsprout said:

I'm reading P's written words and holding back tears. I know there aren't many pages left to read of what he left us, and can only imagine what else he would have revealed.  It's just sad.  I guess I'll have to make do with all the music.  And really, who can complain about that??...  Dan Piepenbring's writing is superb so far.  I never thought this book would be released as soon as it was and I'm just glad to have it.


He put most of his life and thoughts into his music. Each album/song is really a portal into his brain at the time it was recorded.
*
For me, his handwritten drawings/notes and the old photos never before seen are special to see. That is, if I EVER get my copy from Amazon confused

Everything about prince is in his music! You dont need this book. I think that’s why it’s not affected me at all! I read it and didn’t really feel anything! But that’s just me of course! Each to there own.
Reply #73 posted 10/30/19 8:23am

mnfriend

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There is an excerpt from Tamron Hall's interview with Dan Piepenbring in this video (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH):
https://people.com/tv/tam...attention/

Lol this is the same link that mnfriend got snipped for. 😃 The email 😐 😒 geez 😂

It is funny, isn't it? He was really something. Maybe I got snipped because I called him a sexy MF.

By 9 pm tonight, per my delivery update rose

Reply #74 posted 10/30/19 8:43am

MarcelS67

Looks like I'll just have to wait for a couple of days, the book is not yet available neither in the store or online yet here.

Anyway, does anybody know whats up with the two versions (different publisher?) first one is:

  • 9780399589652

Second one is:

  • 9781780899176

Book covers look slightly different too.

[Edited 10/30/19 10:46am]

Reply #75 posted 10/30/19 9:02am

yello1

BartVanHemelen said:

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

.

Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

.

If you've read it, please do not use this thread to discuss the most salacious bits; start separate ones for those. I'm including the link here since this is an interview that is part of the publicity wave for the book, and Piepenbring does discuss the book and its contents.

.

But again: some parts of this interview sound wildly out of character for Dan when you compare them to the dozens of other interviews he's done or to the introduction of the book.

Bart I can´t read it ...can you post it?...pleaseee?

Reply #76 posted 10/30/19 9:03am

casi1

antonb said:

violetcrush said:


He put most of his life and thoughts into his music. Each album/song is really a portal into his brain at the time it was recorded.
*
For me, his handwritten drawings/notes and the old photos never before seen are special to see. That is, if I EVER get my copy from Amazon confused

Everything about prince is in his music! You dont need this book. I think that’s why it’s not affected me at all! I read it and didn’t really feel anything! But that’s just me of course! Each to there own.


Yup. Same here. I did enjoy the various photos of his parents, Prince as a baby, Prince in the 70s, etc. I hadn’t seen those photos before (and I’m an internet detective, lol). His old scrapbook really shows his personality too... as well as his beautiful but hard to read handwriting. All in all, I would have purchased the book just for the photos and his insights, although limited to what he had time to write, regarding his music and early experiences. But did I need this book? Nope. I could have just waited it out for the images to appear online.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:03am]
Reply #77 posted 10/30/19 9:23am

violetcrush

casi1 said:

antonb said:


Everything about prince is in his music! You dont need this book. I think that’s why it’s not affected me at all! I read it and didn’t really feel anything! But that’s just me of course! Each to there own.


Yup. Same here. I did enjoy the various photos of his parents, Prince as a baby, Prince in the 70s, etc. I hadn’t seen those photos before (and I’m an internet detective, lol). His old scrapbook really shows his personality too... as well as his beautiful but hard to read handwriting. All in all, I would have purchased the book just for the photos and his insights, although limited to what he had time to write, regarding his music and early experiences. But did I need this book? Nope. I could have just waited it out for the images to appear online.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:03am]

My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]
Reply #78 posted 10/30/19 9:36am

casi1

violetcrush said:

casi1 said:



Yup. Same here. I did enjoy the various photos of his parents, Prince as a baby, Prince in the 70s, etc. I hadn’t seen those photos before (and I’m an internet detective, lol). His old scrapbook really shows his personality too... as well as his beautiful but hard to read handwriting. All in all, I would have purchased the book just for the photos and his insights, although limited to what he had time to write, regarding his music and early experiences. But did I need this book? Nope. I could have just waited it out for the images to appear online.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:03am]

My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]


I totally agree. I’m glad to have it for those reasons.

It was nice to finally see photos of his mother in her prime, and to read his thoughts on his parents. Based on his descriptions, I can kinda see their impact on him throughout his career and relationships. Prince makes more sense to me now. I’m sure that this book would have been AWESOME had he only had more time... if he had written all of it, then I would have needed to own it.
Reply #79 posted 10/30/19 9:43am

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Reply #80 posted 10/30/19 9:48am

BartVanHemelen

Review (sort of) in Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws (in Dutch): https://www.hln.be/showbi...~ae718968/

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Reply #81 posted 10/30/19 9:56am

Shockadelica9

violetcrush said:

casi1 said:



Yup. Same here. I did enjoy the various photos of his parents, Prince as a baby, Prince in the 70s, etc. I hadn’t seen those photos before (and I’m an internet detective, lol). His old scrapbook really shows his personality too... as well as his beautiful but hard to read handwriting. All in all, I would have purchased the book just for the photos and his insights, although limited to what he had time to write, regarding his music and early experiences. But did I need this book? Nope. I could have just waited it out for the images to appear online.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:03am]

My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]
what revelations are his fans looking for exactly?? I personally believe that some of his fans are upset because his writings didn’t fit their narrative. This book was beautiful I’m so happy he had time to write about his childhood because that was the the most mysterious era in his life
Reply #82 posted 10/30/19 1:14pm

jfenster

Shockadelica9 said:

violetcrush said:
My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings. [Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]
what revelations are his fans looking for exactly?? I personally believe that some of his fans are upset because his writings didn’t fit their narrative. This book was beautiful I’m so happy he had time to write about his childhood because that was the the most mysterious era in his life

revealations??....waking up in those places we'd hardly believe???

Reply #83 posted 10/30/19 2:28pm

williamb610

I tell you what! I sure as hell didn't know what Prince was saying on Soft and Wet, until I say those written lyrics on page 153 or whatever.

It's cool to see what was going through Prince's head in the early days.

Reply #84 posted 10/30/19 3:26pm

violetcrush

williamb610 said:

I tell you what!  I sure as hell didn't know what Prince was saying on Soft and Wet, until I say those written lyrics on page 153 or whatever.  


 


It's cool to see what was going through Prince's head in the early days.


Prince did not write the lyrics to Soft and Wet - Chris Moon did. Prince wrote the music to the song.
Reply #85 posted 10/30/19 3:26pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame



This book is awesome.

Just saying.

Reply #86 posted 10/30/19 3:33pm

violetcrush

Shockadelica9 said:

violetcrush said:


My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings.
[Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]
what revelations are his fans looking for exactly?? I personally believe that some of his fans are upset because his writings didn’t fit their narrative. This book was beautiful I’m so happy he had time to write about his childhood because that was the the most mysterious era in his life

I posted that before I had the book. What I meant by “revelations” was his writing may have gone in that direction if he had been able to finish the book. Per Dan, he was also contemplating writing about his early life and then jumping to the present, so I’m sure there would have been some new insights had it been written that way.
*
I never said I didn’t think the book would be beautiful or fantastic. What I stated is that I will appreciate the pictures, hand written notes and art from Prince. Those are the beautiful pieces of the book.
Reply #87 posted 10/30/19 3:34pm

violetcrush

jfenster said:

 



Shockadelica9 said:


violetcrush said:
My thoughts too. Bought it just in case there were important revelations from Prince, but since there’s not it will still be nice to have the old photos and his drawings. [Edited 10/30/19 9:24am]

what revelations are his fans looking for exactly?? I personally believe that some of his fans are upset because his writings didn’t fit their narrative. This book was beautiful I’m so happy he had time to write about his childhood because that was the the most mysterious era in his life

revealations??....waking up in those places we'd hardly believe???


See my reply above - #86
Reply #88 posted 10/30/19 4:07pm

mantaray31

MarcelS67 said:

Looks like I'll just have to wait for a couple of days, the book is not yet available neither in the store or online yet here.

Anyway, does anybody know whats up with the two versions (different publisher?) first one is:

  • 9780399589652

Second one is:

  • 9781780899176

Book covers look slightly different too.

[Edited 10/30/19 10:46am]

They are for Random House US and Random House UK respectively. I happened to order the UK version from a Swedish site and now it says "delivery date unknown" while the US version can be delivered in a few days...

I hope the UK version is not cancelled...

Reply #89 posted 10/30/19 4:32pm

mnfriend

Dear moderators, I have but a sense of humor.

From the new book, copied from page 273, lest anyone think I am off topic:

"Let's Go Crazy"

This handwritten version adds another foreboding line to the preacherly monologue that opens the song:

"So u better try to be happy 'cause one day the sun may set for good."

Reply #90 posted 10/30/19 5:29pm

mnfriend

mnfriend said:

Dear moderators, I have but a sense of humor.

From the new book, copied from page 273, lest anyone think I am off topic:

"Let's Go Crazy"

This handwritten version adds another foreboding line to the preacherly monologue that opens the song:

"So u better try to be happy 'cause one day the sun may set for good."


And this is why I think a fan wants to buy this book. In my short time with it, I read 1 handwritten page of Prince being open, honest, intelligent introspective about himself - it is the WAY he puts his own thoughts together, word selection, sentence structure- Like his song writing. His.
Thank you.

Reply #91 posted 10/30/19 6:55pm

mnfriend

Okay my last comment, it's on topic, with no spoilers:

word to the wise, do not read/ look at book, and then listen to 'Purple Rain', unless you need a good cry.

Reply #92 posted 10/30/19 7:31pm

flipper123

Thank God it's out at last.

Now all the the childish "I have it already na-nana-na-na" crap can stop
Reply #93 posted 10/30/19 8:46pm

PeggyO

I love the pictures of his mother as a young woman. I can see her in Prince.

Reply #94 posted 10/30/19 8:58pm

Lovejunky

[Edited 10/30/19 20:58pm]

[Edited 10/30/19 21:34pm]

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #95 posted 10/30/19 9:37pm

Lovejunky

I got mine from K Mart on the Morning of 29th here in Australia...

read it in one sitting....

Dan is a wonderful writer....

overall a bitter sweet experience....

Hes gone, and there are things we will never know...

He did drop one huge Bombshell though...

Love you Pwince....

Is there going to be another thread where we can actually discuss content

and that one big bombshell ?

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #96 posted 10/30/19 11:21pm

MarcelS67

mantaray31 said:

 



MarcelS67 said:


Looks like I'll just have to wait for a couple of days, the book is not yet available neither in the store or online yet here.


Anyway, does anybody know whats up with the two versions (different publisher?) first one is: 


  • 9780399589652

Second one is:


  • 9781780899176

Book covers look slightly different too.


[Edited 10/30/19 10:46am]



 


They are for Random House US and Random House UK respectively. I happened to order the UK version from a Swedish site and now it says "delivery date unknown" while the US version can be delivered in a few days...


I hope the UK version is not cancelled...



Ah thanks for clearing that up, we have to be patient I presume.
Reply #97 posted 10/31/19 1:25am

blackmoondaughter

I received my copy on the 28th, finished it the same evening and haven't been able to stop thinking about certain parts of it. Firstly, it feels weird that his memoir exists at all. It seemed unbelievable when he announced the project three years ago and it still seems that way to me now. I never thought that I would ever be privy to facsimiles of handwritten pages containing some of his life's most intimate memories. This is Prince--a man who seemed to delight in the myths we created about him; who gave few interviews if any at all during certain eras of his career; who told us that everything we needed to know about him could be unearthed in his music. So even after reading the book, I was left to ponder the impetus for him to share the narrative of his life with us and it made me sad and inspired at the same time. Sad because of the circumstances in which he left and seemed prepared to leave this plane of existence and inspired because he left us with the same exhuberance to create as he did when he was here. From Dan Piepenbring's account, he seemed so hyped to author many more books.

Perhaps the most salient theme that P writes about besides creative ownership is the power of imagination and "visualization" in his memoir. This book resides among a lifetime of examples that demonstrate his uncanny ability to conceptualize something and bring it to fruition. According to Piepenbring, the memoir germinated out of an idea for a lyric/photo book(!). The treatment for Purple Rain was initially entitled "Dreams" and despite all odds, became the cornerstone for his most commercially successful work. I think it was Steve Parke who wrote about part of P's creative process in his photo book in which they spent many hours just spitballing ideas of cool ways to promote or present his music to his audience and then saw those ideas come to life in real time. A former associate (I don't remember who it was now) said P told her he wanted to form an all female rock band and a few years later, 3rdeyegirl was born. It made me think of that interview he did in the 90's(?) in which he said half-jokingly that he "willed" his entire career into being. The mantra he had emblazoned on his bedroom wall, "Everything U Think Is True" has perhaps never been truer for anyone else, at least as far as music is concerned.

The part of the book that is most empowering to me is where he lets us know that we all have the ability to create the life that we want to live and create the communities that we want to live in. There is something very uplifting and gracious in the way that he decided to peel back the curtain of his life (the beginning of which was difficult, if not traumatic) in part, to tell us that we always have the power to chart our own destiny as well. (He mentions "free will" in the book. I have no idea how his interpretation of "free will" reconciles with the ideology of fate in the Bible, but that's another thread.)

By now, I've heard so many anecdotes by former associates about the human being P was that it has begun to tarnish my immaculate picture of who Prince the icon was, but in a healthy way. I've heard enough rehearsal bootlegs of him working on songs, I've seen rehearsal footage of him leading his various bands, and I've read enough testemonies of his work ethic to understand why he chafed at the word "magic" when it was used by white critics to describe him or his music. Once, I pictured Prince as the magical embodiement of effortless cool and preternatural virtuosity, but the beautiful ones "always smash the picture, always everytime".

Did anybody else read too much into the fact that his handwriting in cursive looks almost identical to his mother's?

Reply #98 posted 10/31/19 2:45am

funksterr

blackmoondaughter said:

I received my copy on the 28th, finished it the same evening and haven't been able to stop thinking about certain parts of it. Firstly, it feels weird that his memoir exists at all. It seemed unbelievable when he announced the project three years ago and it still seems that way to me now. I never thought that I would ever be privy to facsimiles of handwritten pages containing some of his life's most intimate memories. This is Prince--a man who seemed to delight in the myths we created about him; who gave few interviews if any at all during certain eras of his career; who told us that everything we needed to know about him could be unearthed in his music. So even after reading the book, I was left to ponder the impetus for him to share the narrative of his life with us and it made me sad and inspired at the same time. Sad because of the circumstances in which he left and seemed prepared to leave this plane of existence and inspired because he left us with the same exhuberance to create as he did when he was here. From Dan Piepenbring's account, he seemed so hyped to author many more books.

Perhaps the most salient theme that P writes about besides creative ownership is the power of imagination and "visualization" in his memoir. This book resides among a lifetime of examples that demonstrate his uncanny ability to conceptualize something and bring it to fruition. According to Piepenbring, the memoir germinated out of an idea for a lyric/photo book(!). The treatment for Purple Rain was initially entitled "Dreams" and despite all odds, became the cornerstone for his most commercially successful work. I think it was Steve Parke who wrote about part of P's creative process in his photo book in which they spent many hours just spitballing ideas of cool ways to promote or present his music to his audience and then saw those ideas come to life in real time. A former associate (I don't remember who it was now) said P told her he wanted to form an all female rock band and a few years later, 3rdeyegirl was born. It made me think of that interview he did in the 90's(?) in which he said half-jokingly that he "willed" his entire career into being. The mantra he had emblazoned on his bedroom wall, "Everything U Think Is True" has perhaps never been truer for anyone else, at least as far as music is concerned.

The part of the book that is most empowering to me is where he lets us know that we all have the ability to create the life that we want to live and create the communities that we want to live in. There is something very uplifting and gracious in the way that he decided to peel back the curtain of his life (the beginning of which was difficult, if not traumatic) in part, to tell us that we always have the power to chart our own destiny as well. (He mentions "free will" in the book. I have no idea how his interpretation of "free will" reconciles with the ideology of fate in the Bible, but that's another thread.)

By now, I've heard so many anecdotes by former associates about the human being P was that it has begun to tarnish my immaculate picture of who Prince the icon was, but in a healthy way. I've heard enough rehearsal bootlegs of him working on songs, I've seen rehearsal footage of him leading his various bands, and I've read enough testemonies of his work ethic to understand why he chafed at the word "magic" when it was used by white critics to describe him or his music. Once, I pictured Prince as the magical embodiement of effortless cool and preternatural virtuosity, but the beautiful ones "always smash the picture, always everytime".

Did anybody else read too much into the fact that his handwriting in cursive looks almost identical to his mother's?

yessir!

Reply #99 posted 10/31/19 2:46am

funksterr

PeggyO said:

I love the pictures of his mother as a young woman. I can see her in Prince.

My favorite part of the book too!

Reply #100 posted 10/31/19 3:02am

funksterr

I haven't really read the book yet but just flipping through it. The mindgames/dickishness with the writer was my favorite part. Tried to get dude fired! 'I trust you, you have power now. Tell your bosses blah blah blah' biggrin biggrin


Reply #101 posted 10/31/19 6:31am

BartVanHemelen

Slate review: https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

.

EW (Entertainment Weekly) review: https://ew.com/book-revie...ew-review/

.

Vulture distills some stories from the book: https://www.vulture.com/2...takes.html

.

Europe1 item on the book (in French): https://www.europe1.fr/em...ce-3928505

.

Le Point review (in French): https://www.lepoint.fr/cu...4489_3.php

.

Article in Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad on the making of the book (in Dutch): https://www.nieuwsblad.be...0_04693536

.

RTBF / Classic21 review (in French): https://www.rtbf.be/class...d=10355075

.

AFP (Agence France Presse) review: https://www.france24.com/...-own-words

.

France Culture review (in French): https://www.franceculture...tobre-2019

.

WebWire article on the making of the book (mainly a long quote by Chris Jackson): https://www.webwire.com/V...aId=249276

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Reply #102 posted 10/31/19 6:41am

Giovanni777

Why is anyone concerned with spoilers? When an album came out, we all wanted the reviews... we talked about it. We should freely discuss this book here.

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #103 posted 10/31/19 6:48am

BartVanHemelen

Kirkus article on the book: https://www.kirkusreviews...takeaways/

.

Rock & Folk review in French: https://www.rocknfolk.com...-pop/39605

.

Crooner review (in French): https://www.crooner.fr/20...nd-prince/

.

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Reply #104 posted 10/31/19 7:50am

PeggyO

blackmoondaughter said:

I received my copy on the 28th, finished it the same evening and haven't been able to stop thinking about certain parts of it. Firstly, it feels weird that his memoir exists at all. It seemed unbelievable when he announced the project three years ago and it still seems that way to me now. I never thought that I would ever be privy to facsimiles of handwritten pages containing some of his life's most intimate memories. This is Prince--a man who seemed to delight in the myths we created about him; who gave few interviews if any at all during certain eras of his career; who told us that everything we needed to know about him could be unearthed in his music. So even after reading the book, I was left to ponder the impetus for him to share the narrative of his life with us and it made me sad and inspired at the same time. Sad because of the circumstances in which he left and seemed prepared to leave this plane of existence and inspired because he left us with the same exhuberance to create as he did when he was here. From Dan Piepenbring's account, he seemed so hyped to author many more books.

Perhaps the most salient theme that P writes about besides creative ownership is the power of imagination and "visualization" in his memoir. This book resides among a lifetime of examples that demonstrate his uncanny ability to conceptualize something and bring it to fruition. According to Piepenbring, the memoir germinated out of an idea for a lyric/photo book(!). The treatment for Purple Rain was initially entitled "Dreams" and despite all odds, became the cornerstone for his most commercially successful work. I think it was Steve Parke who wrote about part of P's creative process in his photo book in which they spent many hours just spitballing ideas of cool ways to promote or present his music to his audience and then saw those ideas come to life in real time. A former associate (I don't remember who it was now) said P told her he wanted to form an all female rock band and a few years later, 3rdeyegirl was born. It made me think of that interview he did in the 90's(?) in which he said half-jokingly that he "willed" his entire career into being. The mantra he had emblazoned on his bedroom wall, "Everything U Think Is True" has perhaps never been truer for anyone else, at least as far as music is concerned.

The part of the book that is most empowering to me is where he lets us know that we all have the ability to create the life that we want to live and create the communities that we want to live in. There is something very uplifting and gracious in the way that he decided to peel back the curtain of his life (the beginning of which was difficult, if not traumatic) in part, to tell us that we always have the power to chart our own destiny as well. (He mentions "free will" in the book. I have no idea how his interpretation of "free will" reconciles with the ideology of fate in the Bible, but that's another thread.)

By now, I've heard so many anecdotes by former associates about the human being P was that it has begun to tarnish my immaculate picture of who Prince the icon was, but in a healthy way. I've heard enough rehearsal bootlegs of him working on songs, I've seen rehearsal footage of him leading his various bands, and I've read enough testemonies of his work ethic to understand why he chafed at the word "magic" when it was used by white critics to describe him or his music. Once, I pictured Prince as the magical embodiement of effortless cool and preternatural virtuosity, but the beautiful ones "always smash the picture, always everytime".

Did anybody else read too much into the fact that his handwriting in cursive looks almost identical to his mother's?

Reply #105 posted 10/31/19 8:02am

PeggyO

blackmoondaughter said:

I received my copy on the 28th, finished it the same evening and haven't been able to stop thinking about certain parts of it. Firstly, it feels weird that his memoir exists at all. It seemed unbelievable when he announced the project three years ago and it still seems that way to me now. I never thought that I would ever be privy to facsimiles of handwritten pages containing some of his life's most intimate memories. This is Prince--a man who seemed to delight in the myths we created about him; who gave few interviews if any at all during certain eras of his career; who told us that everything we needed to know about him could be unearthed in his music. So even after reading the book, I was left to ponder the impetus for him to share the narrative of his life with us and it made me sad and inspired at the same time. Sad because of the circumstances in which he left and seemed prepared to leave this plane of existence and inspired because he left us with the same exhuberance to create as he did when he was here. From Dan Piepenbring's account, he seemed so hyped to author many more books.

Perhaps the most salient theme that P writes about besides creative ownership is the power of imagination and "visualization" in his memoir. This book resides among a lifetime of examples that demonstrate his uncanny ability to conceptualize something and bring it to fruition. According to Piepenbring, the memoir germinated out of an idea for a lyric/photo book(!). The treatment for Purple Rain was initially entitled "Dreams" and despite all odds, became the cornerstone for his most commercially successful work. I think it was Steve Parke who wrote about part of P's creative process in his photo book in which they spent many hours just spitballing ideas of cool ways to promote or present his music to his audience and then saw those ideas come to life in real time. A former associate (I don't remember who it was now) said P told her he wanted to form an all female rock band and a few years later, 3rdeyegirl was born. It made me think of that interview he did in the 90's(?) in which he said half-jokingly that he "willed" his entire career into being. The mantra he had emblazoned on his bedroom wall, "Everything U Think Is True" has perhaps never been truer for anyone else, at least as far as music is concerned.

The part of the book that is most empowering to me is where he lets us know that we all have the ability to create the life that we want to live and create the communities that we want to live in. There is something very uplifting and gracious in the way that he decided to peel back the curtain of his life (the beginning of which was difficult, if not traumatic) in part, to tell us that we always have the power to chart our own destiny as well. (He mentions "free will" in the book. I have no idea how his interpretation of "free will" reconciles with the ideology of fate in the Bible, but that's another thread.)

By now, I've heard so many anecdotes by former associates about the human being P was that it has begun to tarnish my immaculate picture of who Prince the icon was, but in a healthy way. I've heard enough rehearsal bootlegs of him working on songs, I've seen rehearsal footage of him leading his various bands, and I've read enough testemonies of his work ethic to understand why he chafed at the word "magic" when it was used by white critics to describe him or his music. Once, I pictured Prince as the magical embodiement of effortless cool and preternatural virtuosity, but the beautiful ones "always smash the picture, always everytime".

Did anybody else read too much into the fact that his handwriting in cursive looks almost identical to his mother's?

Yes, he was a master 'manifestor.'

I have studied handwriting analysis for many years and there is a strong similarity between his cursive handwriting and his mother's. Both are artistic, rhythmic, very emotional, (strong rightward slant) and passionate. Check out Vanity's handwriting; it is very similar to both of them.

Reply #106 posted 10/31/19 8:45am

BartVanHemelen

BartVanHemelen said:

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

.

Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

.

If you've read it, please do not use this thread to discuss the most salacious bits; start separate ones for those. I'm including the link here since this is an interview that is part of the publicity wave for the book, and Piepenbring does discuss the book and its contents.

.

But again: some parts of this interview sound wildly out of character for Dan when you compare them to the dozens of other interviews he's done or to the introduction of the book.

.

Some excerpts (in Dutch):

.

De bottomline is volgens mij wat hij tegen z’n tourmanager Alan Leeds zei: ‘Je hebt geen idee wat het met me doet als weer eens een pseudo-artiest die niet eens zijn eigen songs schrijft toch een hit scoort.’ Ik bespeurde ook competitie met Bruce Springsteen. Het irriteerde Prince dat hij met hem werd vergeleken. Prince liet duidelijk voelen dat hij zichzelf beter vond dan Bruce, en niet onterecht: Prince arrangeerde z’n eigen platen, Bruce niet; Prince kon dansen, Bruce niet; Prince lanceerde de carrière van een dozijn andere artiesten, Bruce niet; Prince was sexy, Bruce een stuk minder; Prince beheerste een dozijn instrumenten, Bruce slechts één of twee; Prince kon alle stijlen aan, Bruce enkel rock en blues. Morris Day vertelde me hoe Prince ooit Bruce op het podium riep en hem zijn gitaar in de handen duwde. Bruce improviseerde een riff, maar hij is geen sologitarist, dus dat klonk niet echt indrukwekkend. Waarop Prince zijn gitaar terugvroeg en er vervolgens zelf een stomende solo op speelde, suggererend: kijk, dit instrument komt wel tot leven wanneer het wordt bespeeld door een échte artiest. Competitief? You bet. Maar ik voelde goed aan dat Prince zou dichtklappen als ik al zo vroeg in het proces te opzichtig zou hengelen naar anekdotes.

.

[...]

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Hij hintte er die eerste ontmoetingen ook op dat er een nog onverteld verhaal school achter het niet uitbrengen van ‘The Black Album’ en de rol van zangeres Ingrid Chavez daarin. Hij had het over ‘Blue Tuesday’, een dag waarop hij met Ingrid een soort mystieke ervaring had gehad, al dan niet onder de invloed van drugs, die hem had doen besluiten alles om te gooien. Hij sprak over ‘spooky electric’, een duistere energie.

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[...]

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HUMO: Welke kamer van Paisley Park maakte de grootste indruk op jou?

.

Piepenbring: Zijn slaapkamer: een grote ruimte waar bijna alles wit was, alsof er ooit een sneeuwstorm had gewoed en die sneeuw nooit was gesmolten. Alle muren waren kaal op één opschrift na: ‘Everything you think is true.’ Het leek een tempel, kitsch en puur en minimalistisch tegelijk. Daar stond ook een draaitafel met twee gigantische luidsprekers en een stapel vinylplaten. De laatste die hij gespeeld had was ‘I Want You’ van Marvin Gaye. Ook de aangrenzende grote badkamer was leeg, op een enorme stenen badkuip en een vracht kaarsen na. Na zijn dood ben ik zijn enorme kleedkamer binnengewandeld. Dat was bizar, omdat al die kleren geparfumeerd waren: toen ik binnenkwam, overspoelde die geur me, alsof hij nog in die kamer aanwezig was.

.

[...]

.

Wat me nu te binnen schiet is een notaboek uit de periode van ‘Purple Rain’, waarin hij naast zwaarwichtige songteksten ook heel wat grapjes had genoteerd: ‘Hij was zo oud dat het nummer van zijn verzekeringspolis 3 was.’ Had hij die oneliners bedoeld als dialogen voor personages zoals Christopher Tracy in de film ‘Under the Cherry Moon? Of waren het aanzetten tot bindteksten tijdens optredens? Ik stuitte ook op aantekeningen voor ‘The Dawn’, de werktitel voor wat ‘Graffiti Bridge’ zou worden. Hij had iets met de zonsopgang als metafoor, het aanbreken van een nieuw tijdperk. Ook later, in de jaren 90, zei hij tijdens optredens dingen als: ‘Welcome to the dawn.’

.

[...]

.

Hij is een aantal keer verraden. Door zijn vader, door zogenaamde vrienden en vertrouwelingen, door muzikanten, door medewerkers van Paisley Park, door advocaten… Zijn kapster Kim Berry, die nu haarlokken van hem verkoopt die ze stiekem heeft gehamsterd: dat zou Prince geháát hebben! Hij was trots en schermde zijn privacy zozeer af dat niemand te dicht mocht komen. En hij had zelf zo’n imago van onfeilbaarheid en ongenaakbaarheid geschapen dat hij misschien bang was dat iemand zou ontdekken dat hij ook maar een gewone, kwetsbare sterveling was.

.

[...]

.

Na de dood van Prince kreeg ik een rondleiding door The Vault, de kluis waar behalve duizenden tapes ook persoonlijke spullen rondslingerden. Er lag kinderspeelgoed, en een prachtig lederen fotoalbum waarin Prince en Mayte het opgroeien van hun kind wilden documenteren, maar het was leeg gebleven – een gruwelijk simpel beeld dat hun tragedie perfect vatte. Maar hij heeft het wél bewaard.

.


© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #107 posted 10/31/19 10:05am

yello1

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

.

Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

.

If you've read it, please do not use this thread to discuss the most salacious bits; start separate ones for those. I'm including the link here since this is an interview that is part of the publicity wave for the book, and Piepenbring does discuss the book and its contents.

.

But again: some parts of this interview sound wildly out of character for Dan when you compare them to the dozens of other interviews he's done or to the introduction of the book.

.

Some excerpts (in Dutch):

.

De bottomline is volgens mij wat hij tegen z’n tourmanager Alan Leeds zei: ‘Je hebt geen idee wat het met me doet als weer eens een pseudo-artiest die niet eens zijn eigen songs schrijft toch een hit scoort.’ Ik bespeurde ook competitie met Bruce Springsteen. Het irriteerde Prince dat hij met hem werd vergeleken. Prince liet duidelijk voelen dat hij zichzelf beter vond dan Bruce, en niet onterecht: Prince arrangeerde z’n eigen platen, Bruce niet; Prince kon dansen, Bruce niet; Prince lanceerde de carrière van een dozijn andere artiesten, Bruce niet; Prince was sexy, Bruce een stuk minder; Prince beheerste een dozijn instrumenten, Bruce slechts één of twee; Prince kon alle stijlen aan, Bruce enkel rock en blues. Morris Day vertelde me hoe Prince ooit Bruce op het podium riep en hem zijn gitaar in de handen duwde. Bruce improviseerde een riff, maar hij is geen sologitarist, dus dat klonk niet echt indrukwekkend. Waarop Prince zijn gitaar terugvroeg en er vervolgens zelf een stomende solo op speelde, suggererend: kijk, dit instrument komt wel tot leven wanneer het wordt bespeeld door een échte artiest. Competitief? You bet. Maar ik voelde goed aan dat Prince zou dichtklappen als ik al zo vroeg in het proces te opzichtig zou hengelen naar anekdotes.

.

[...]

.

Hij hintte er die eerste ontmoetingen ook op dat er een nog onverteld verhaal school achter het niet uitbrengen van ‘The Black Album’ en de rol van zangeres Ingrid Chavez daarin. Hij had het over ‘Blue Tuesday’, een dag waarop hij met Ingrid een soort mystieke ervaring had gehad, al dan niet onder de invloed van drugs, die hem had doen besluiten alles om te gooien. Hij sprak over ‘spooky electric’, een duistere energie.

.

[...]

.

HUMO: Welke kamer van Paisley Park maakte de grootste indruk op jou?

.

Piepenbring: Zijn slaapkamer: een grote ruimte waar bijna alles wit was, alsof er ooit een sneeuwstorm had gewoed en die sneeuw nooit was gesmolten. Alle muren waren kaal op één opschrift na: ‘Everything you think is true.’ Het leek een tempel, kitsch en puur en minimalistisch tegelijk. Daar stond ook een draaitafel met twee gigantische luidsprekers en een stapel vinylplaten. De laatste die hij gespeeld had was ‘I Want You’ van Marvin Gaye. Ook de aangrenzende grote badkamer was leeg, op een enorme stenen badkuip en een vracht kaarsen na. Na zijn dood ben ik zijn enorme kleedkamer binnengewandeld. Dat was bizar, omdat al die kleren geparfumeerd waren: toen ik binnenkwam, overspoelde die geur me, alsof hij nog in die kamer aanwezig was.

.

[...]

.

Wat me nu te binnen schiet is een notaboek uit de periode van ‘Purple Rain’, waarin hij naast zwaarwichtige songteksten ook heel wat grapjes had genoteerd: ‘Hij was zo oud dat het nummer van zijn verzekeringspolis 3 was.’ Had hij die oneliners bedoeld als dialogen voor personages zoals Christopher Tracy in de film ‘Under the Cherry Moon? Of waren het aanzetten tot bindteksten tijdens optredens? Ik stuitte ook op aantekeningen voor ‘The Dawn’, de werktitel voor wat ‘Graffiti Bridge’ zou worden. Hij had iets met de zonsopgang als metafoor, het aanbreken van een nieuw tijdperk. Ook later, in de jaren 90, zei hij tijdens optredens dingen als: ‘Welcome to the dawn.’

.

[...]

.

Hij is een aantal keer verraden. Door zijn vader, door zogenaamde vrienden en vertrouwelingen, door muzikanten, door medewerkers van Paisley Park, door advocaten… Zijn kapster Kim Berry, die nu haarlokken van hem verkoopt die ze stiekem heeft gehamsterd: dat zou Prince geháát hebben! Hij was trots en schermde zijn privacy zozeer af dat niemand te dicht mocht komen. En hij had zelf zo’n imago van onfeilbaarheid en ongenaakbaarheid geschapen dat hij misschien bang was dat iemand zou ontdekken dat hij ook maar een gewone, kwetsbare sterveling was.

.

[...]

.

Na de dood van Prince kreeg ik een rondleiding door The Vault, de kluis waar behalve duizenden tapes ook persoonlijke spullen rondslingerden. Er lag kinderspeelgoed, en een prachtig lederen fotoalbum waarin Prince en Mayte het opgroeien van hun kind wilden documenteren, maar het was leeg gebleven – een gruwelijk simpel beeld dat hun tragedie perfect vatte. Maar hij heeft het wél bewaard.

.


Thank U Bart !..one of the best interviews ...Can U post the full interview?

Reply #108 posted 10/31/19 11:25am

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

yello1 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Thank U Bart !..one of the best interviews ...Can U post the full interview?


Just a paragraph with a link. The org does not have written permission to post the interview in it's entirety.

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Reply #109 posted 10/31/19 4:00pm

mnfriend

A bit of Dutch to English:

There was also a turntable with two giant speakers and a stack of vinyl records. The last one he had played was "I Want You" by Marvin Gaye. 

Reply #110 posted 10/31/19 4:35pm

PennyPurple

Mine arrived today. Can't wait to dig in.

Reply #111 posted 10/31/19 5:57pm

TheTruth123

Prince is a great author. His grammar is not always perfect but that doesn’t matter in this case. He explains things in a very simple way so that anyone can take his words in. Like a good preacher who describes things at a fourth grade level for all ears. But when he has something important to describe like a certain feeling or thought, he uses a more complicated word that is best understood if looked up in the dictionary to get the full meaning of what he is saying.
[Edited 11/1/19 3:23am]
Reply #112 posted 10/31/19 6:00pm

TheTruth123

I want to say something about his statement that, “… there’s some part of your heart you should never give away. “

He didn’t mean it in a way that he couldn’t fully love someone. He meant that there is a part of us that belongs to God only. To yourself. It is what allows us to remain an individual.

It is only in a slow, deep and contemplative reading of this book and looking at things in context and in the order he wrote it from the beginning, that I can understand what he is trying to convey.
Reply #113 posted 10/31/19 7:30pm

donnyenglish

Do we post spoilers on this thread or not?

Reply #114 posted 10/31/19 7:40pm

WhisperingDandelions

donnyenglish said:

Do we post spoilers on this thread or not?

I don't think so. I'd love a spoiler-zone thread, though. I don't get down with this modern day chicken little freak out over any tangential spoiler or fragment of a spoiler. It's out, let's go.

Reply #115 posted 10/31/19 8:13pm

PeggyO

I finished reading the book and want to talk about a few things but want to wait a few days for others to read it so the conversation is fuller.

Reply #116 posted 10/31/19 8:35pm

TheTruth123

There no Book Discussion yet? Well, if this isn’t the place to talk about the book, I think we should have one too. This is The Org. If anyone should have one it should be us.
The world is watching. Let’s go.
Reply #117 posted 10/31/19 9:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

TheTruth123 said:

There no Book Discussion yet? Well, if this isn’t the place to talk about the book, I think we should have one too. This is The Org. If anyone should have one it should be us. The world is watching. Let’s go.



I have a lot to say...so go for it!


pimp2

Reply #118 posted 10/31/19 10:20pm

callimnate

TheTruth123 said:

Princes a great author. His grandma is not always perfect but that doesn’t matter in this case..........

lol lol lol lol

Reply #119 posted 11/01/19 12:52am

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

Yah, go for it!

Would like to read what y'all have to say..

hammer omfg eyepop hmmm
mushy
Reply #120 posted 11/01/19 2:25am

darlingnikkkki

Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
Reply #121 posted 11/01/19 3:21am

TheTruth123

callimnate said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


Princes a great author. His grandma is not always perfect but that doesn’t matter in this case.....

 


lol lol lol lol



LMRO... voice prompt!
Reply #122 posted 11/01/19 3:25am

TheTruth123

darlingnikkkki said:

Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.


Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30.
[Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]
Reply #123 posted 11/01/19 3:39am

darkroman

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool

Reply #124 posted 11/01/19 4:56am

PennyPurple

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?

Reply #125 posted 11/01/19 5:48am

violetcrush

darkroman said:

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool


It’s possible that expanding the images may have blurred them even further. That is my thought anyway.
Reply #126 posted 11/01/19 6:03am

bsprout

PennyPurple said:

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?


Hi Penny! I would love that. I hope you’ll moderate again. You were so good at it last time. But, no pressure:) and if Dan P. Would comment in the thread ((like the other authors did last time), that would be very cool...I loved his treatment of the book and he’s a great writer. I’m interested in seeing
more from him.
Reply #127 posted 11/01/19 6:05am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said:
Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.
Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]

and 20% off at Target $21.00

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Reply #128 posted 11/01/19 6:12am

darlingnikkkki

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said:

Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.


Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30.
[Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Indeed. Never had a book look this good before. Paid $21 at Barnes and Noble.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
Reply #129 posted 11/01/19 6:15am

darlingnikkkki

darkroman said:

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool



I have a magnifying glass that comes handy for these types of books. I read art books, too, and the only way I can see the details of the reproduced artwork on page which is a lot smaller than the original artwork is with a magnifying glass.
"I want to be the only one you come for...."
Reply #130 posted 11/01/19 7:51am

benni

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said:
Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.
Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


$30? I got mine for $18?????

[Edited 11/1/19 7:53am]

Reply #131 posted 11/01/19 8:32am

Shockadelica9

His Girlfriend Cari is mentioned in the song “schoolyard”
Reply #132 posted 11/01/19 8:35am

mnfriend

Okay, I'll start.

'Cellular Memory'

I liken this to being 50/middle age-ish and traits you saw in your parents, you find moments of startled realization you can dole out the same. Example, I texted a message to my college son and epiphany! this is the same tripe nonsense my mother writes all the time lol or, a stoic mathematical father that seemed your opposite later in life you find yourself also able to call up steely reserves...

That is the lighter, normal stuff of that train of thought.

The more negative might be: is drug or chemical dependency inherited? Or is it by settings?
I would think that with all of Princes working/interest with twins, he may have looked into these studies

😂 LOL

Reply #133 posted 11/01/19 8:43am

TheTruth123

PennyPurple said:

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?



YES!!!
We’ve had one in every other book about Prince. So why not one about his own book.
Reply #134 posted 11/01/19 8:46am

TheTruth123

darlingnikkkki said:

darkroman said:

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool



I have a magnifying glass that comes handy for these types of books. I read art books, too, and the only way I can see the details of the reproduced artwork on page which is a lot smaller than the original artwork is with a magnifying glass.


I took the camera on my very good iPhone and without taking a photo, I looked at some of the photos through the iPhone camera, and just expanded them the way I would a picture online.
Reply #135 posted 11/01/19 9:47am

jenst

BartVanHemelen said:

Belgian magazine Humo has an interview with Dan Piepenbring (BEWARE: likely SPOILERISH): https://www.humo.be/humo-...ft-gegeven

.

Now, I've read this. And quite frankly, I doubt the veracity of large sections of this. Because a lot of this interview is completely unlike other Piepenbring interviews. I've regularly suspected Serge Simonart to enhance his interviews with quotes from other interviews and/or by adding a lot of stuff to his own questions that he never asked that way. Quite frankly I'd be amazed if the tape of this interview contained the same words as they are written down here, because I cannot imagine Piepenbring expressing some of these thoughts.

So you're not (ss)?! Well damn, that was always in the back of my mind reading your posts.

Should've known as you don't compliment yourself all the time.

Reply #136 posted 11/01/19 10:01am

TheTruth123

benni said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


darlingnikkkki said:
Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.

Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


$30?  I got mine for $18?????  


 

[Edited 11/1/19 7:53am]



That’s a very good price. If you shop around you can find it. When I pre-ordered at B&N they told me the price was around $30 but that when the book came in it would probably be less. I kept telling them that at the register but was charged that price anyway. I don’t really care as I am supporting the Estate and feel it is certainly worth it.
Reply #137 posted 11/01/19 10:02am

Astasheiks

darlingnikkkki said:

Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.

I hear ya! biggrin cool

Reply #138 posted 11/01/19 10:03am

Astasheiks

darkroman said:

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool

They should make another one with your suggestions; I will Buy that one too! biggrin razz cool lol

Reply #139 posted 11/01/19 10:05am

Astasheiks

Shockadelica9 said:

His Girlfriend Cari is mentioned in the song “schoolyard”

Wonder Where and What is Cari doing now? smile

Think she's still living in Minne., she got a family now? She thinks I was once the girlfriend of One of the Baddest Musicians to walk the Planet... hehe haha biggrin cool razz lol

[Edited 11/1/19 13:33pm]

Reply #140 posted 11/01/19 10:09am

mnfriend

Page 16 makes me laugh and laugh. SO TRUE.

(copying below)

He mentioned a writer who'd compared him to Bruce Springsteen.

"Why? No one has any of his albums here. No one listens to him. I don't. You might as well compare me to Billy Joel."

P.S. I am always scared of upsetting the Bruce S fans. When I look at Bruce, I like Bruce, don't get me wrong, but growing up on the rock side in Mpls in the 80's it was Rolling Stones, Zep, Aerosmith,

No Springsteen

[Edited 11/1/19 10:12am]

Reply #141 posted 11/01/19 12:13pm

SquirrelMeat

I've just been analysing Prince's original hand drawn cover for 1999 in the book.

Quite a few interesting nuggets in it:

Many song titles are hidden in the collage, much like the idea for the cover of ATWIAD.

Lennon, Bowie and Monroe all feature.

1st Avenue gets on there.

There is purple cloud with rain!

The Ladder concept goes into the purple cloud.

The gender symbols appear for the first time.

'Revelation' is on there.

Jill Jones 'lady garage' is depicted as a Rolls Royce!

I'm sure there are more interesting clues in there.

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Reply #142 posted 11/01/19 2:00pm

soladeo1

SquirrelMeat said:

I've just been analysing Prince's original hand drawn cover for 1999 in the book.

Quite a few interesting nuggets in it:

Many song titles are hidden in the collage, much like the idea for the cover of ATWIAD.

Lennon, Bowie and Monroe all feature.

1st Avenue gets on there.

There is purple cloud with rain!

The Ladder concept goes into the purple cloud.

The gender symbols appear for the first time.

'Revelation' is on there.

Jill Jones 'lady garage' is depicted as a Rolls Royce!

I'm sure there are more interesting clues in there.



I love Princes early 1999 album cover concept!!!!
Reply #143 posted 11/01/19 2:20pm

violetcrush

The thing that I love most about this book - beside all of the new family pictures, drawings, and lyrics - is that much of the story of Prince’s early life that had been written both in Prince’s songs and in Biographies - was confirmed in this book - his early bond with his Mother that was broken when she married his stepfather; the intense verbal and sometimes physical fights between his parents (his Mother holding him in front of her to stop his Dad from hitting her, which he described in The Sacrifice of Victor); and his negative experience at a white school (also told in TSOV).
*
I think if he had been able to complete his story we would have found that certain of his songs told the same story. His songs are his autobiography.
Reply #144 posted 11/01/19 2:33pm

Astasheiks

soladeo1 said:

SquirrelMeat said:

I've just been analysing Prince's original hand drawn cover for 1999 in the book.

Quite a few interesting nuggets in it:

Many song titles are hidden in the collage, much like the idea for the cover of ATWIAD.

Lennon, Bowie and Monroe all feature.

1st Avenue gets on there.

There is purple cloud with rain!

The Ladder concept goes into the purple cloud.

The gender symbols appear for the first time.

'Revelation' is on there.

Jill Jones 'lady garage' is depicted as a Rolls Royce!

I'm sure there are more interesting clues in there.

I love Princes early 1999 album cover concept!!!!

I dig what you all have written... eye crysball

Reply #145 posted 11/01/19 2:40pm

Astasheiks

violetcrush said:

The thing that I love most about this book - beside all of the new family pictures, drawings, and lyrics - is that much of the story of Prince’s early life that had been written both in Prince’s songs and in Biographies - was confirmed in this book - his early bond with his Mother that was broken when she married his stepfather; the intense verbal and sometimes physical fights between his parents (his Mother holding him in front of her to stop his Dad from hitting her, which he described in The Sacrifice of Victor); and his negative experience at a white school (also told in TSOV). * I think if he had been able to complete his story we would have found that certain of his songs told the same story. His songs are his autobiography.

Very well said!

Reply #146 posted 11/01/19 2:45pm

PennyPurple

bsprout said:

PennyPurple said:

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?

Hi Penny! I would love that. I hope you’ll moderate again. You were so good at it last time. But, no pressure:) and if Dan P. Would comment in the thread ((like the other authors did last time), that would be very cool...I loved his treatment of the book and he’s a great writer. I’m interested in seeing more from him.

That would be awesome, I wonder if he is a member here?

Reply #147 posted 11/01/19 4:04pm

TheTruth123

I may put out some specifics here. One that comes to mind is that Prince said that it is better if parents stay together. Actually, a child would rather grow up in a broken home then a dysfunctional one. But he only had the one experience to go off of.
Reading what writes I can only imagine how hard it was to have a new man (his stepfather) in the house.
[Edited 11/1/19 16:23pm]
Reply #148 posted 11/01/19 4:10pm

SchlomoThaHomo

I've been enjoying searching out the songs he mentioned in his writing that inspired him. It's interesting to hear the influences in his own writing. Pack'd My Bags (after the piano intro) by Rufus definitely inspired the original version of 1000 Hugs & Kisses.

And the woman he mentions dancing in WATTSTAX reminds me a lot of Damaris' vibe in some of his later live shows.

https://youtu.be/QSxyU-AbF6M?t=142

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #149 posted 11/01/19 4:11pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

Okay, I'll start.


'Cellular Memory'


I liken this to being 50/middle age-ish and traits you saw in your parents, you find moments of startled realization you can dole out the same.   Example, I texted a message to my college son and epiphany!  this is the same tripe nonsense my mother writes all the time lol   or, a stoic mathematical father that seemed your opposite later in life you find yourself also able to call up steely reserves...


That is the lighter, normal stuff of that train of thought.


The more negative might be: is drug or chemical dependency inherited?  Or is it by settings?
I would think that with all of Princes working/interest with twins, he may have looked into these studies 


😂 LOL



Prince was looking at his conditioning. It is both by nature and nurture. I think he was seeing that we get the best of our parents and the worst.

For instants, he writes about his mother, “... sometimes could B very stubborn & completely irrational. No one could reason with my mother when she was in this state.”

Who does that remind you of? smile I do not even know if he was conscious of this similarity as he wrote it. smile
[Edited 11/1/19 16:12pm]
Reply #150 posted 11/01/19 4:16pm

AaronReturn2005

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

Reply #151 posted 11/01/19 4:58pm

3rdeyedude

Not sure how to feel about this book. Would not recommend to someone who was not a fan.

Reply #152 posted 11/01/19 5:00pm

violetcrush

Astasheiks said:

 



violetcrush said:


The thing that I love most about this book - beside all of the new family pictures, drawings, and lyrics - is that much of the story of Prince’s early life that had been written both in Prince’s songs and in Biographies - was confirmed in this book - his early bond with his Mother that was broken when she married his stepfather; the intense verbal and sometimes physical fights between his parents (his Mother holding him in front of her to stop his Dad from hitting her, which he described in The Sacrifice of Victor); and his negative experience at a white school (also told in TSOV). * I think if he had been able to complete his story we would have found that certain of his songs told the same story. His songs are his autobiography.

 


Very well said!


Thank you! smile
Reply #153 posted 11/01/19 5:20pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

I may put out some specifics here. One that comes to mind is that Prince said that it is better if parents stay together. Actually, a child would rather grow up in a broken home then a dysfunctional one. But he only had the one experience to go off of.
Reading what writes I can only imagine how hard it was to have a new man (his stepfather) in the house.
[Edited 11/1/19 16:23pm]

That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother.
*
I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded.
*
All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him.
*
Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father.
[Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm]
Reply #154 posted 11/01/19 6:21pm

poppys

AaronReturn2005 said:

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html


This review seem pretty hypey to me. Anybody that read anything about it months ago already knew it was only the beginning stages.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #155 posted 11/01/19 6:26pm

PeggyO

PennyPurple said:

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?

Yes!

Reply #156 posted 11/01/19 7:58pm

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:

I may put out some specifics here. One that comes to mind is that Prince said that it is better if parents stay together. Actually, a child would rather grow up in a broken home then a dysfunctional one. But he only had the one experience to go off of.
Reading what writes I can only imagine how hard it was to have a new man (his stepfather) in the house.
[Edited 11/1/19 16:23pm]

That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother.
*
I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded.
*
All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him.
*
Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father.
[Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm]


Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.
[Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm]
Reply #157 posted 11/01/19 8:19pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother.
*
I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded.
*
All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him.
*
Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father.
[Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm]


Wjen I looked jack I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.

I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down.
*
Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life.
Reply #158 posted 11/01/19 8:27pm

FunkiestOne

AaronReturn2005 said:

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

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Hype sells product. People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes. Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.

He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.

Reply #159 posted 11/01/19 8:42pm

PennyPurple

FunkiestOne said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

.

Hype sells product. People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes. Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.

He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.

I just finished reading it. It is incredible. I love every.single.page in this book.

Reply #160 posted 11/01/19 9:23pm

mnfriend

FunkiestOne said:

AaronReturn2005 said:

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

.

Hype sells product. People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes. Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.

He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.

quote from the wordy negative review from above:

"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."

Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?

No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,

and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.

Reply #161 posted 11/01/19 9:26pm

casi1

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


That seems to be when his relationship with his Mother suffered. I think what Prince meant by it being better if parents stay together was that it is better if parents are able to resolve their issues and stay together. I don’t think he felt that parents staying and fighting was better. He stated, during his first P&M show, that he was happy his Father left, because of the volatile relationship with his Mother.
*
I think, based on how he described the difference between his Mother and Father in the book - his Father being an orderly, responsible, hard working and religious person, and his Mother being a wild fun-seeker who liked to party - it seems he would have preferred a Mother who was content with staying home and being a homemaker. He seemed to say that his Mother broke his heart as a child, consequently, he could never give all of it to someone else for fear of that same rejection. He could not fully trust that another woman would not hurt him, so he remained guarded.
*
All that being said - if his Mother had been that nurturing homemaker who’s to say that Prince’s behavior in relationships would have been different. Monogamy still may have been an issue for him.
*
Seems he really was equally his Mother and Father.
[Edited 11/1/19 17:25pm]


Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.
[Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm]


When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever.

I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman.

As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows.

Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that.

And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol.
Reply #162 posted 11/01/19 9:51pm

PeggyO

casi1 said:


When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever. I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman. As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows. Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that. And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol.

Interesting points. He never talked too much about his mom but I bet there will be many discussions here re: her impact on him. In fairness to her, she was very young, (she was 25, he was in his early 40's), had 2 very young children and sounded overwhelmed and lonely.

I wonder if she emotionally abandoned Prince at times, but at other times, overwhelmed him with her needs.

It would be interesting to know how it was for Prince between 7 and 12 with mom.

He clearly loved her.

Reply #163 posted 11/01/19 10:24pm

RJP1205

There has to be much more we're not getting...from the love letter and the way mom would get dressed up for date nights it seemed she truly loved her husband. But like you said, home all day & all night (while dad was at the clubs) with 2 small kids would easily grow wearisome after a while and loneliness and resentment would likely build up. You can see both sides...Dad trying to build a life, Mom lonely and wanting adult time..
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Reply #164 posted 11/01/19 11:15pm

80tomato

and dont forget she also had an older son , Alfred . who i assume was living with his father ...and John had other children including Duane who also had a complicated beginning in life

Reply #165 posted 11/01/19 11:17pm

MacDaddy

AaronReturn2005 said:

Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture...-ones.html

Good review, thank you for posting

Reply #166 posted 11/02/19 3:27am

Pellwormer

Here's another review from german TV:

https://www.zdf.de/kultur/aspekte/prince-autobiografie-the-beautiful-ones-100.html

Reply #167 posted 11/02/19 4:57am

Se7en

darkroman said:

I do like the book, but yet again it's an Estate project they haven't properly thought through.

Due to the type of content the book should be bigger.

The vast majority of images should have been placed edge to edge to maximise their size.

There is no point is making hand written notes so small that they can't be read.

So good effort, but very poor in it's execution.

In contrast I find the digital version a much better experience when viewing the images.

cool


I see there's a Kindle version, so if viewed on a tablet it would be big!

Maybe there will be a PDF version out there of it someday.

Reply #168 posted 11/02/19 6:21am

violetcrush

casi1 said:

TheTruth123 said:



Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.
[Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm]


When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever.

I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman.

As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows.

Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that.

And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol.

“Maybe you’re just like my Mother, she’s never satisfied. Maybe I’m just like my Father, too bold.” WDC Prince was describing a relationship with a woman that was just like his parents. Passion, heat, jealousy and rage.
*
I think we have to be careful about putting too much blame on his Mother for the divorce. She was much younger than his Father and alone all the time with two babies. His Dad would work all day and then go play jazz with his band through the night. So, I’m sure she often felt like a single parent. It’s possible that she went out to escape the pressures of her home life. Generally speaking, men did not do much of the child care back then. Doing it all yourself is difficult and exhausting, especially if you do not have that maternal instinct.
*
Interestingly, his Mother went on to get her Masters in Social Work, and worked as a Social Worker.
Reply #169 posted 11/02/19 6:27am

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

 



FunkiestOne said:


 



AaronReturn2005 said:


Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture/2019/10/prince-memoir-book-review-the-beautiful-ones.html



.


Hype sells product.  People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes.  Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.   


 


He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.



 


quote from the wordy negative review from above:


 


"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."


 


Really?  How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?


 


No.  He did not.  So don't claim.  The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,


and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff!  He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.


 


 



I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total.
Reply #170 posted 11/02/19 6:29am

TheTruth123

casi1 said:

TheTruth123 said:



Wjen I looked back I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.
[Edited 11/1/19 20:24pm]


When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever.

I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman.

As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows.

Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that.

And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol.


That is what most people would interpret his words to mean. But prince was deeply spiritual. I have to look deeper into his words. What is on the surface is not always what this man means
Reply #171 posted 11/02/19 6:30am

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



Wjen I looked jack I saw that he said “ideally” parents would stay together so I agree with what you say about that.

I’m still not sure how I feel about the giving all of your heart away comment. I don’t know how he meant it and would like to hear peoples perspective on it. I will read it again probably a number of times. At first I thought he meant what you said, but then I really felt he meant it in a different way.

I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down.
*
Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life.


I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.
Reply #172 posted 11/02/19 6:50am

mnfriend

I confess my fav part of the book is page 195 where Prince is quoted from Musician mag 1983

comparing Mpls. to NYC,

then going on to say a lot of warped people come out of Mpls

'I know a lot warped girls, okay? Warped to me means they see things differently than I do, I suppose'

biggrin cool

Reply #173 posted 11/02/19 7:02am

bsprout

PennyPurple said:

 



bsprout said:


PennyPurple said:

Is everyone interested in a book discussion thread?



Hi Penny! I would love that. I hope you’ll moderate again. You were so good at it last time. But, no pressure:) and if Dan P. Would comment in the thread ((like the other authors did last time), that would be very cool...I loved his treatment of the book and he’s a great writer. I’m interested in seeing more from him.

That would be awesome, I wonder if he is a member here?


I wondered about that, too. I’m sure he knows about the Org, at least. Any journalist writing about Prince that’s worth their salt must know about this place.
Reply #174 posted 11/02/19 7:12am

bsprout

casi1 said:



When I read his comment about giving ones heart away, I interpretted it as if to say self preservation should be considered when falling in love. Keep your guard up so that you can save yourself in the end. Don’t lose yourself. Because if you do, you won’t come out of the situation the same as you entered it. You’ll be damaged. Forever.

I don’t agree with that but I understand it. He had seen people lose themselves then never recover. Apparently his mother was never quite the same after his father left (despite remarrying). I think the experience of watching his parents compete with each other, use him in fights with each other, etc resulted in a bad first example of how adult relationships were supposed to be. It sounded like he was always trying to win his mother’s love despite the fact that she was irrational, headstrong, Wild, and stole money from him. He seemed caught between wanting her to have been a demure housewife (a role which he may or may not have tried to force on his own love interests later in life) and loving that beautiful mischievous uncontrollable wild side of her. But if she could have changed herself then his parents could have stayed together. Things would have been ideal then. If she could have calmed down, been more rational, been more supportive to the head of household. But since she couldn’t/wouldn’t change, his father had to leave. It’s almost like when a man loves a woman but can’t trust her enough to feel safe with her. My grandma used to say that if a boy can’t trust his mama, he will become a man who struggles to trust ANY woman.

As intelligent as Prince was and as reflective as he was at the end of his life, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly why he struggled in his adult relationships... and that it might have been directly linked to his complicated childhood. Who knows.

Wow. It’s fascinating how we can almost see his parents personalities in how he presented himself to the world. Like the two of them were fighting inside of him. I wonder how they felt about that.

And don’t even get me started on his love of watching women get dressed up. Lol.

That’s how I interpreted it, too. I thought this was such a revealing quote.
I read the book in one sitting; I have to go back and read it again.
Reply #175 posted 11/02/19 8:08am

mnfriend

I think it's a mature comment (keep part of yourself/heart to yourself)

Dare I say, I take it to mean

no human or thing or whatever you seek wholeheartedly outside yourself

will complete or fill or make whole

for anyone.

It is that part that you can only go to God with

like a dark night of the soul experience

I think there is a time in every person's life

when your face hits the asphalt

no-where left to turn

It is you and whomever whatever gets you through.

or maybe I'm a warped gal from Mpls.

But it is sage advice. You would tell it to your children. Keep yourself intact, true, etc.

Reply #176 posted 11/02/19 10:04am

CuddlyBear

LoveGalore said:

PurpleBlackmon said:

I don't know about this. Prince didn't even come close to completing this. As of matter of fact he passed just as he was starting. I bet this is just another Bio, made up mostly of compiled past and already published interviews.

You should know better. Though as someone who has the book already, I can certainly confirm its not what you said it is.

When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?

Christopher damn!
Reply #177 posted 11/02/19 11:07am

PennyPurple

CuddlyBear said:

When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?

The rest is pictures and handwritten songs, with some interviews he had done. The Estate gave them access to PP to go in and see if there was anything they could use to complete the book. If you haven't gotten it yet, it would be a great think to have.

Reply #178 posted 11/02/19 11:08am

PennyPurple

How many sang the songs in their head, while reading what he wrote? biggrin

Reply #179 posted 11/02/19 12:19pm

RJP1205

PennyPurple said:

How many sang the songs in their head, while reading what he wrote?  biggrin


🙋🏼‍♀️ every single one...lol!
Reply #180 posted 11/02/19 12:42pm

violetcrush

FunkiestOne said:

 



AaronReturn2005 said:


Here's a truthful review, explaing why some people couldn't stand the hype about it. https://slate.com/culture/2019/10/prince-memoir-book-review-the-beautiful-ones.html



.


Hype sells product.  People believe hype, even if it is absurd sometimes.  Of course most all marketing is bullsh*t.   


 


He barely started the book, so of course there's no way it could be incredible autobiography.


Right. If he had had more time and continued to write in the same way as he did with the first 50 pages it would have been a most incredible auto biography. But, as I mentioned in an earlier post - his songs/albums really tell his life story - literally year by year - by expressing his views, relationships and/or events in his life. This is confirmed with what he wrote in the book about his childhood and songs that he had written years ago.
Reply #181 posted 11/02/19 1:23pm

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


I think the complications in his relationship with his Mother may have contributed to his relationship issues with women, and/or people in general. Then again, his Mother re-married and stayed with Hayward, but his Father never settled down.
*
Hard to say for sure, but the family conflicts certainly stuck with him throughout his life.


I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
*
He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
*
I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.
Reply #182 posted 11/02/19 1:42pm

PeggyO

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

Reply #183 posted 11/02/19 1:50pm

mnfriend

TheTruth123 said:

mnfriend said:

quote from the wordy negative review from above:

"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."

Really? How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?

No. He did not. So don't claim. The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,

and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff! He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.

I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total.

Honestly, being with Prince the last 3 months of his life, whether 12-1200 of purposeful speaking, plus Prince's handwritten own words, never seen before hw lyrics, description of vault after death

fresh fresh fresh and Thank You

Reply #184 posted 11/02/19 2:06pm

Shockadelica9

PeggyO said:

 


 


I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.


 


It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.


 


 


 


 


Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush
Reply #185 posted 11/02/19 2:16pm

PeggyO

Shockadelica9 said:

PeggyO said:

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush

My mistake...

My point was that I don't think he was entertaining girls at his dad's apt. at age 12; he seemed shy and inexperienced (IMO).

Reply #186 posted 11/02/19 3:30pm

violetcrush

PeggyO said:

 



Shockadelica9 said:


PeggyO said:

 


 


I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.


 


It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.


 


 


 


 



Petey wasn’t his first kiss or girlfriend. his first girlfriend was Debbie, petey was his crush

 


My mistake...


My point was that I don't think he was entertaining girls at his dad's apt. at age 12; he seemed shy and inexperienced (IMO).


 


I think the “shy with girls” was prior to middle school. It’s been confirmed that he was living with Andre by age 13 after shuffling around between various places including his Aunt’s house. He and Andre were having parties with girls in his basement during that time. So, I think it is feasible that he had a girl at his Dad’s place - not sleeping with her but probably fooling around.
Reply #187 posted 11/02/19 4:22pm

icecreamcastle777

PeggyO said:

I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO

grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.

It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.

.

Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.

With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...

Reply #188 posted 11/02/19 4:25pm

icecreamcastle777

Is this the oficial book club now?

Reply #189 posted 11/02/19 4:47pm

violetcrush

icecreamcastle777 said:

 



PeggyO said:


 


 


I loved Prince's rendition of his first? kiss with Petey. He was probably around 16 and seemed SOOO


grateful to this girl. I was happy for him but realized he was very tentative and seemed inexperienced.


 


It makes me question his 'entertaining' 12 y/o girls at his dad's apt. (which led to his eviction)...I think that is fan/Morris lore.


 


 


 


 



.


 


Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.   


 


 





With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...




 


 


He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.
Reply #190 posted 11/02/19 4:57pm

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Reply #191 posted 11/02/19 5:49pm

violetcrush

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

.

Agree 100. This is why I always feined to hear Prince speak for himself. Prince didn't mention a damn thing about being kicked ot of his house because of a girl. I always felt in my heart like that was made up. Prince said his father called and ask his aunt Olivia if he could live with her. I believe him. Don't need no confirmation from no one else.

With the "lore," I think it's more like "associate's lore." They're the ones everybody gets this stuff from. like what happened to Kim Upsher or Susan Moonsie who the biographies and everyone and their mama was claiming was his High School sweetheart?? Only recently did the 'Susan was his High school sweetheart thing' die down after all em' years...

He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.

Rolling Stone 1985 interview:

*

"Across the street from McDonald’s, Prince spies a smaller landmark. He points to a vacant corner phone booth and remembers a teenage fight with a strict and unforgiving father. “That’s where I called my dad and begged him to take me back after he kicked me out,” he begins softly. “He said no, so I called my sister and asked her to ask him. So she did, and afterward told me that all I had to do was call him back, tell him I was sorry, and he’s take me back. So I did, and he still said no. I sat crying at that phone booth for two hours. That’s the last time I cried.” "

Reply #192 posted 11/02/19 6:16pm

mnfriend

Everything was more dramatic back then. And it was 'normal' to stay overnight at your friends house. We were young people with feet outside on the streets everyday, engaging in life, parties, music, friendships. Many of 'us' had no parents in the house, latch key households, no-one home parents not minding the store so to speak....

circa Mpls MN in the early 80's.

[Edited 11/2/19 18:17pm]

Reply #193 posted 11/02/19 6:50pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

I think it's a mature comment (keep part of yourself/heart to yourself)


Dare I say, I take it to mean


no human or thing or whatever you seek wholeheartedly outside yourself


will complete or fill or make whole 


for anyone.


It is that part that you can only go to God with


like a dark night of the soul experience


I think there is a time in every person's life


when your face hits the asphalt 


no-where left to turn


It is you and whomever whatever gets you through.


 


or maybe I'm a warped gal from Mpls.


 


But it is sage advice.  You would tell it to your children.  Keep yourself intact, true, etc.  



EXACTLY what I mean.
I was thinking about this today and all I came up with is, “He’s right.”
Everything can and should be shared with a spiritual mentor (we need a confessor), but not with our romantic partner.
That doesn’t mean we can’t be really close. It just means some things we need to work out with someone else.
Reply #194 posted 11/02/19 7:01pm

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
*
He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
*
I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.



I wonder which is true: what he said in Rolling Stone in 1985, or what he said in the book. I feel he omitted something. His father wanted him to leave because there was “no room”? Could this be possible? Maybe he just did not want to bring up the subject of the girl, if that is what happened. But I feel something more had to be the case then what he said in the book.

And we don’t know about the parents, but anything could’ve happened. His mother might’ve been such a handful that his father flipped out sometimes. It is not an excuse for physical stuff, but there are also women who hit men. There are women who do a lot of things to men, and then cry victim when they get retaliated against. She might’ve needled him a lot. And his father might have not left for a number of reasons. Or, maybe the two of them just went at it until they finally got away from each other.
[Edited 11/2/19 19:05pm]
Reply #195 posted 11/02/19 7:01pm

icecreamcastle777

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said: He told the story of his Dad kicking him out and calling him from a pay phone to apologize but his Father still would not rage him back in. He said he sat on the curb and cried for 2 hours, and it was the last time he cried like that. Look up the 1985 RS interview on princevault.com. One of his most open and honest interviews, because he was in such a good place.

Rolling Stone 1985 interview:

*

"Across the street from McDonald’s, Prince spies a smaller landmark. He points to a vacant corner phone booth and remembers a teenage fight with a strict and unforgiving father. “That’s where I called my dad and begged him to take me back after he kicked me out,” he begins softly. “He said no, so I called my sister and asked her to ask him. So she did, and afterward told me that all I had to do was call him back, tell him I was sorry, and he’s take me back. So I did, and he still said no. I sat crying at that phone booth for two hours. That’s the last time I cried.” "

Yea, knew that already. He didn't mention anything about being kicked out of his house because of a girl like I said. Prince said in this here book that his father asked his Aunt Olivia if he could live with him because the apartment was too small. Nothing, nada, about being kicked out of the house becuase of a girl. You don't know the full details of why he was calling asking to go back home. Who knows, maybe he didn't wanna live with his aunt Olivia, but Prince never mentioned being kicked out of the house over any girl in this book. That info came from all the associates.
.

[Edited 11/2/19 19:13pm]

Reply #196 posted 11/02/19 7:04pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


mnfriend said:

 


 


quote from the wordy negative review from above:


 


"So it’s currently impossible to point to the rightful custodians of his work, and it’s wrenching, given what we know about Prince’s feelings about that."


 


Really?  How are you so sure about Prince's wishes/feelings/ hopes for his material after he died?
Did he leave a will and testament explaining it to you?


 


No.  He did not.  So don't claim.  The author did meet with Prince over the last 3 months of his life, did get handwritten pages from Prince in those last 3 months,


and did get full access to the vault to go through his stuff!  He saw it all, and picked out all the handwritten lyrics that were carefully kept together in 1 place/ all clamped/secured together.


 


 



I thought I read somewhere that the author only spent 12 face to face hours with Prince in total.

Honestly, being with Prince the last 3 months of his life, whether 12-1200 of purposeful speaking, plus Prince's handwritten own words, never seen before hw lyrics, description of vault after death


fresh fresh fresh and Thank You 



Yes, this guy Dan seems very bright and I think got a good sense of who Prince was.
Reply #197 posted 11/02/19 7:07pm

TheTruth123

mnfriend said:

Everything was more dramatic back then.  And it was 'normal' to stay overnight at your friends house.  We were young people with feet outside on the streets everyday, engaging in life, parties, music, friendships.  Many of 'us' had no parents in the house, latch key households, no-one home parents not minding the store so to speak....


circa Mpls MN in the early 80's.

[Edited 11/2/19 18:17pm]



Circa everywhere in the 1970s & 80s. Especially any American city.
Reply #198 posted 11/02/19 7:23pm

icecreamcastle777

I always knew this, but what really jumped out at me was that the struggles he had in his relationships were clearly tied to the struggles he had with his mother. He even made the contrast to it in his handwritten script for Dreams when he mentioned that Vanity reminded him much like his mother and it sets him off into schizophrenia. Weird as hell that Vanity actually died the same day his mother died. Both on Feburary 15th. His mother was definitely a big factor in the reason he felt more comfortable dating the demure quiet girls who was content to stay at home and didn't give him too much trouble.

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[Edited 11/2/19 19:48pm]

Reply #199 posted 11/02/19 7:28pm

TheTruth123

I have always noticed that prince had very strong forearms and wide wrists for his size. Did anybody notice that his mother also has larger wrists? This is noticeable in the photo of her standing by his crib. Yes, I notice details! smile
Reply #200 posted 11/02/19 7:30pm

icecreamcastle777

One of my favorite things about the book was just the way Prince wrote. I could read his shit all day... yes prince

Reply #201 posted 11/02/19 7:43pm

RJP1205

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.
Reply #202 posted 11/02/19 8:13pm

violetcrush

RJP1205 said:

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.

I love his writing and the extra detail about his family dynamic and childhood, but the past Biographies and his songs about his life were quite on target. It’s great to read his writing of it though, and I wish he had been able to get through more years.
Reply #203 posted 11/02/19 8:20pm

RJP1205

violetcrush said:

RJP1205 said:

I am so thankful for this book and appreciative for what we got. I'm sure I'll be re-reading many times. Do you all feel you understand or know Prince better now because of it? My answer is no but I still love it.

I love his writing and the extra detail about his family dynamic and childhood, but the past Biographies and his songs about his life were quite on target. It’s great to read his writing of it though, and I wish he had been able to get through more years.

Me too...I would love to read so much more.
Reply #204 posted 11/02/19 8:58pm

mnfriend

icecreamcastle777 said:

I always knew this, but what really jumped out at me was that the struggles he had in his relationships were clearly tied to the struggles he had with his mother. He even made the contrast to it in his handwritten script for Dreams when he mentioned that Vanity reminded him much like his mother and it sets him off into schizophrenia. Weird as hell that Vanity actually died the same day his mother died. Both on Feburary 15th. His mother was definitely a big factor in the reason he felt more comfortable dating the demure quiet girls who was content to stay at home and didn't give him too much trouble.

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That is weird about the dates, but then again with Prince it's not.

And who wouldn't prefer calmer, less antagonizing women in their life? LOL.

Reply #205 posted 11/02/19 9:01pm

bsprout

CuddlyBear said:

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When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?


My guess is the publisher exaggerated when they announced it was 50 pages. They assumed they would pad the actual 28 handwritten pages to equal 50. Or, they simply lied.
Reply #206 posted 11/02/19 9:12pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame



I dont want the book to end.





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Reply #207 posted 11/02/19 9:15pm

Bighead

After all the hype, this book is very disappointing. Great pictures, but a simple money grab
Reply #208 posted 11/02/19 9:32pm

AnnaStesia10

Just finished reading it and looked over the pictures and read the pix descriptions again in the back. I am so glad we all have this book even if it is just a glimmer of what could have been.

I am tripping on P's original treatment for Purple Rain (Dreams). He was going in a dark, twisted but engaging direction.

For me, I feel I do understand P a tad bit more now by reading in his own words about his childhood experiences and about "one of his life's greatest dilemmas" - his mother and his father's conflicting personalities - their ying and yang relationship. Add to this the orignal treatment for Purple Rain, and I am tripping and my mind is all over the place. And even though I feel I understand P more, he is still an enigma to me.

I cried a couple times today about P, amoung other losses in my life. And Casey Rain's review of this book on the Violet Reality got me going today. I felt your somber energy through the TV screen Casey.

Damn Christopher, damn. I forgot how much I miss you man. I just let myself feel the emotions today and let the tears and sadness flow through my soul. For me it is good to remember again how much of an impact Prince had and continues to have on my soul and spirit.

If you dont have this book yet, get it and feel P's vibe throughout. You wont be disappointed but just left probably wanting more. 💜🎵🎶💜
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #209 posted 11/03/19 12:45am

Vannormal

violetcrush said:

TheTruth123 said:



I haven’t read everything he’s written yet, but so far it seems he omitted (probably from his mind too) any faults of his father’s - due to his worshiping of his dad and wanting his approval. Maybe his father was the better parent, but I don’t think his father was perfect.

Oh no, his Father was far from perfect, especially if the song Papa was at least partially autobiographical. He did write about his Mother holding him up as a shield from his Father coming after her during a fight, but it seems he mainly blames his Mother for that - and he should as she should never have done that, however, his Father is to blame too.
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He also did not write about his Father forcing him to leave the apartment after he found him in bed with a girl. He knew Prince had nowhere to go, but still would not allow him to come back. In the 1985 RS interview he stated that was the last time he cried. So, I would think that experience with his Father had to have hardened his heart even more.
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I think their love of music and performing made his bond with his Dad stronger.

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I thought that the song "papa" was about Mattie's second husband...
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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #210 posted 11/03/19 4:53am

benni

There is a lot that I relate to in here about Prince's childhood and how he coped with it. Witnessing the physical altercations between his parents (and it is soul crushing). The visualizations of how he wanted things to be, I would do that at night as I was trying to go to sleep, I called it "imagining my world". His superhero power of flying, that was how I would imagine getting away from the monsters in my life, I'd fly away from them, because anything that bad, that mean, that heavy would not be able to be light enough to fly. Being sent away to live with an aunt in which he wasn't happy in her home - I moved in with an aunt when I was 8. The separation of his parents (the feeling of loss he felt) at age 7, my mom died when I was 7.

He kept saying that he wanted to write about his mom, and that's why so much of it focused on her. At those ages, it all had a huge impact on him, his ability to trust others, his ability to open up to others, his wanting love so much that he fell in love frequently back then. It's really interesting to read this as it relates to psychology. But it's strange to read it and relate to it on so many different levels.

I really wish he had been able to finish this book himself. I'm glad we got what we did, but I really think he planned to take the book in a totally different direction as he went on.

Reply #211 posted 11/03/19 4:55am

Hamad

CuddlyBear said:

LoveGalore said:

PurpleBlackmon said: You should know better. Though as someone who has the book already, I can certainly confirm its not what you said it is.

When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?

30, 50 or 80 pages. Not sure which statement is accurate lol all I know from read twitter, this book is already creating an intense dialog, and much like the music, the "easter egg" theme is all over the pages (i.e. the 1999 original album cover).

Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/QLH82
Reply #212 posted 11/03/19 5:28am

poppys

TheTruth123 said:

mnfriend said:

Everything was more dramatic back then. And it was 'normal' to stay overnight at your friends house. We were young people with feet outside on the streets everyday, engaging in life, parties, music, friendships. Many of 'us' had no parents in the house, latch key households, no-one home parents not minding the store so to speak....

circa Mpls MN in the early 80's.


Circa everywhere in the 1970s & 80s. Especially any American city.


Agree - ditto suburbs, towns, and in the country. Actual timeline is that Prince turned 20 years old in 1979.

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Reply #213 posted 11/03/19 5:33am

poppys

Hamad said:

CuddlyBear said:

When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?

30, 50 or 80 pages. Not sure which statement is accurate lol all I know from read twitter, this book is already creating an intense dialog, and much like the music, the "easter egg" theme is all over the pages (i.e. the 1999 original album cover).


About 30 pages is accurate. It's in the New Yorker article when they were written and when Pipenbring read them. There were discussions too, but no more pages.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #214 posted 11/03/19 5:56am

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM

benni said:

There is a lot that I relate to in here about Prince's childhood and how he coped with it.  Witnessing the physical altercations between his parents (and it is soul crushing).  The visualizations of how he wanted things to be, I would do that at night as I was trying to go to sleep, I called it "imagining my world".  His superhero power of flying, that was how I would imagine getting away from the monsters in my life, I'd fly away from them, because anything that bad, that mean, that heavy would not be able to be light enough to fly.  Being sent away to live with an aunt in which he wasn't happy in her home - I moved in with an aunt when I was 8.  The separation of his parents (the feeling of loss he felt) at age 7, my mom died when I was 7.  

He kept saying that he wanted to write about his mom, and that's why so much of it focused on her.  At those ages, it all had a huge impact on him, his ability to trust others, his ability to open up to others, his wanting love so much that he fell in love frequently back then.  It's really interesting to read this as it relates to psychology.  But it's strange to read it and relate to it on so many different levels.  

I really wish he had been able to finish this book himself.  I'm glad we got what we did, but I really think he planned to take the book in a totally different direction as he went on.  


Wow, I was just seeing through a little boy's eyes. So sad 😢
mushy
Reply #215 posted 11/03/19 6:14am

Hamad

poppys said:

 



Hamad said:


 



CuddlyBear said:


 


 


When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?



 


30, 50 or 80 pages. Not sure which statement is accurate lol all I know from read twitter, this book is already creating an intense dialog, and much like the music, the "easter egg" theme is all over the pages (i.e. the 1999 original album cover).




About 30 pages is accurate. It's in the New Yorker article when they were written and when Pipenbring read them. There were discussions too, but no more pages.



Thank you smile
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/QLH82
Reply #216 posted 11/03/19 6:21am

mnfriend

Hamad said:

CuddlyBear said:

When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?

30, 50 or 80 pages. Not sure which statement is accurate lol all I know from read twitter, this book is already creating an intense dialog, and much like the music, the "easter egg" theme is all over the pages (i.e. the 1999 original album cover).

I don't have a twitter account/not my thing but I went to look after your post

the close up too short albeit the most spectacular'Sweet Thing' clip with Chaka,

the little clip of Prince making Bryant Gumbolt howl with laughter.....

thanks

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Reply #217 posted 11/03/19 7:55am

poppys

Hamad said:

poppys said:


About 30 pages is accurate. It's in the New Yorker article when they were written and when Pipenbring read them. There were discussions too, but no more pages.


Thank you smile


Good place to start because Pipenbring actually wrote that himself. Not an interview or a rehash. cool

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Reply #218 posted 11/03/19 8:08am

Hamad

mnfriend said:

 



Hamad said:


 



CuddlyBear said:


 


 


When he died they said he had only completed approx. 50 pages. So where did the rest of it come from?



 


30, 50 or 80 pages. Not sure which statement is accurate lol all I know from read twitter, this book is already creating an intense dialog, and much like the music, the "easter egg" theme is all over the pages (i.e. the 1999 original album cover).



I don't have a twitter account/not my thing but I went to look after your post


the close up too short albeit the most spectacular'Sweet Thing' clip with Chaka, 


the little clip of Prince making Bryant Gumbolt howl with laughter.....


thanks

[Edited 11/3/19 6:22am]



I’ve been a lurker there since 2011 but haven’t actively posted till recently, I agree it’s not for everyone. And you’re welcome smile
Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future...

Twitter: https://twitter.com/QLH82
Reply #219 posted 11/03/19 8:16am

onlyforaminute

So sad to hear there were no journals to be found.
Year of Return 2019
Reply #220 posted 11/03/19 9:54am

violetcrush

benni said:

There is a lot that I relate to in here about Prince's childhood and how he coped with it.  Witnessing the physical altercations between his parents (and it is soul crushing).  The visualizations of how he wanted things to be, I would do that at night as I was trying to go to sleep, I called it "imagining my world".  His superhero power of flying, that was how I would imagine getting away from the monsters in my life, I'd fly away from them, because anything that bad, that mean, that heavy would not be able to be light enough to fly.  Being sent away to live with an aunt in which he wasn't happy in her home - I moved in with an aunt when I was 8.  The separation of his parents (the feeling of loss he felt) at age 7, my mom died when I was 7.  

He kept saying that he wanted to write about his mom, and that's why so much of it focused on her.  At those ages, it all had a huge impact on him, his ability to trust others, his ability to open up to others, his wanting love so much that he fell in love frequently back then.  It's really interesting to read this as it relates to psychology.  But it's strange to read it and relate to it on so many different levels.  

I really wish he had been able to finish this book himself.  I'm glad we got what we did, but I really think he planned to take the book in a totally different direction as he went on.  


I think you hit the nail on the head here, in that Prince experienced difficult things as a child that many other children do, but it seems he had a quadruple whammy with his epilepsy, parents fighting, divorce, and then shuffling residences. To go through just one of those situations as a young child can be psychologically and emotionally damaging, and Prince had them all during his formative years. His imaginative escapes first in his mind and later in films, music and art make sense, along with his difficulty trusting women and others close to him.
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I found it interesting that when he wrote about his imaginative stories and “escapes” as a young child he was always alone and up high in the sky or on a mountain top - away from everyone and everything. His life as a performer sort of mimicked that, as he was above the crowd looking down at everyone.
Reply #221 posted 11/03/19 10:27am

onlyforaminute

It definitely changes the narrative of his parents.
Year of Return 2019
Reply #222 posted 11/03/19 11:07am

PeggyO

icecreamcastle777 said:

I always knew this, but what really jumped out at me was that the struggles he had in his relationships were clearly tied to the struggles he had with his mother. He even made the contrast to it in his handwritten script for Dreams when he mentioned that Vanity reminded him much like his mother and it sets him off into schizophrenia. Weird as hell that Vanity actually died the same day his mother died. Both on Feburary 15th. His mother was definitely a big factor in the reason he felt more comfortable dating the demure quiet girls who was content to stay at home and didn't give him too much trouble.

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[Edited 11/2/19 19:48pm]

I think it is admirable that he mentioned his mother, whom he clearly loved. I don't get the sense he wanted to talk too much about that relationship in the past, but was willing to 'open it up' in his book.

There was likely some wounding of some kind.

Reply #223 posted 11/03/19 11:21am

violetcrush

He mentioned his Mother’s personality in that very in depth 1985 RS interview, but he gave much more detail in this book. He talked mostly about his Father during interviews, so it is nice that he gave his Mother more attention here. He clearly loved her (stating that she was his first love) but was also conflicted about his feelings, because he felt hurt by her at times as well.
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A very complex Mother-Son relationship.
Reply #224 posted 11/03/19 1:35pm

mnfriend

Yes, classy Prince, so respectful of his parents, also done eloquently on Larry King live.

Something else in the book, on his wall, 'You Are What You Think'

(I would cite a page number and more detail, but I think those posts are getting deleted, can't copy out of book)

You are what you think.
I see this as tying into his belief of moral movie viewing, not having negative or maybe violent scenes and images put into his thoughts (I am the same way, refuse horror movie of any kind)

Reply #225 posted 11/03/19 2:06pm

RJP1205

mnfriend said:

Yes, classy Prince, so respectful of his parents, also done eloquently on Larry King live.


 


Something else in the book, on his wall, 'You Are What You Think'


(I would cite a page number and more detail, but I think those posts are getting deleted, can't copy out of book)


 


 


You are what you think.  
I see this as tying into his belief of moral movie viewing, not having negative or maybe violent scenes and images put into his thoughts (I am the same way, refuse horror movie of any kind)


 


I loved this too and I would say it before I even knew it was an expression. I love that he believed and lived this...what we feed our physical bodies affects our physical health; what we feed our minds affects our spirit.
Reply #226 posted 11/03/19 2:11pm

mnfriend

RJP1205 said:

mnfriend said:

Yes, classy Prince, so respectful of his parents, also done eloquently on Larry King live.

Something else in the book, on his wall, 'You Are What You Think'

(I would cite a page number and more detail, but I think those posts are getting deleted, can't copy out of book)

You are what you think.
I see this as tying into his belief of moral movie viewing, not having negative or maybe violent scenes and images put into his thoughts (I am the same way, refuse horror movie of any kind)

I loved this too and I would say it before I even knew it was an expression. I love that he believed and lived this...what we feed our physical bodies affects our physical health; what we feed our minds affects our spirit.

You put it much better than I did smile

I was saying classy Prince respectful to his Father, provided for him I think when he became financially successful, but in this book, or what I will always love about Prince, is his honesty. I think that's why he was so private, because he was also honest. And of course sensitive.
This hw sentence in the book, I'd never seen it before:

'He quoted Bible scripture while blooding a woman's face.'

Reply #227 posted 11/03/19 2:22pm

mnfriend

But of course, isn't this all captured on the film 'Purple Rain' ?

I watched a clip of MTV Hollywood red carpet screening Purple Rain release 1984 (?) Eddie Murphy in the house,

Prince walked that red carpet green faced. He looked stricken.

Reply #228 posted 11/03/19 2:28pm

violetcrush

mnfriend said:

But of course, isn't this all captured on the film 'Purple Rain' ?

I watched a clip of MTV Hollywood red carpet screening Purple Rain release 1984 (?) Eddie Murphy in the house,

Prince walked that red carpet green faced. He looked stricken.

He was nervous about the film's success - it could've derailed his career if not a hit. Alan Leeds has told a great story about the limo ride with Prince, and Prince grabbling his hand and in a shaky, high-pitched voice saying, "what d-d-did he say?" after Big Chick said they were having trouble controlling the crowds in front of the theatre.

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A little bit of his parents' relationship was part of the film - the fighting, and his Mother wanting to go out and have fun, but his Dad didn't drink or own a gun, and obviously did not kill himself.

Reply #229 posted 11/03/19 3:58pm

mnfriend

violetcrush said:

mnfriend said:

But of course, isn't this all captured on the film 'Purple Rain' ?

I watched a clip of MTV Hollywood red carpet screening Purple Rain release 1984 (?) Eddie Murphy in the house,

Prince walked that red carpet green faced. He looked stricken.

He was nervous about the film's success - it could've derailed his career if not a hit. Alan Leeds has told a great story about the limo ride with Prince, and Prince grabbling his hand and in a shaky, high-pitched voice saying, "what d-d-did he say?" after Big Chick said they were having trouble controlling the crowds in front of the theatre.

*

A little bit of his parents' relationship was part of the film - the fighting, and his Mother wanting to go out and have fun, but his Dad didn't drink or own a gun, and obviously did not kill himself.

Thanks. I don't remember all the details, don't see movies more than a few times, last time 'Purple Rain' was on TV after he passed and I cried like a baby. So I am not watching it again smile

It's a trip to look back on it so young so naturally private and shy and here is him starring in a movie about himself (mostly) everyone now knowing your business, the fame.

anyway, thanks all for the company everyone I truly enjoyed the book ---

Reply #230 posted 11/03/19 3:59pm

benni

mnfriend said:

But of course, isn't this all captured on the film 'Purple Rain' ?

I watched a clip of MTV Hollywood red carpet screening Purple Rain release 1984 (?) Eddie Murphy in the house,

Prince walked that red carpet green faced. He looked stricken.


The family dynamics are covered in the film "Purple Rain", but it's interesting that he addressed it through the lense of a young adult man in the film. In reality, the dynamics that he experienced happened as a child. In the film, he also addressed the fact that he was conflicted on who he was. Was he like his father (in which he hit Apples), or was he more like his mother. He addressed that dichotomy in his book, too. If it was difficult, as a young man, to go through those experiences, and the impact it had on him, imagine just how much more difficult it was as a child to go through those experiences and try to make sense of the world around him. It's hard enough to deal with as an adult, but as a child, it's extremely confusing, because you love both parents, and at the same time, you aren't sure how you should feel about those parents and their actions. It makes "love" all the more confusing after you grow up, because you were definitely given mixed messages as a child as to what "love" meant. But Prince seemed to figure it out very well.

Edited it to add: It's interesting the characters that he developed for the film too. I see Morris Day almost like his mother - carefree, wanting to go out and have fun, not concerned about the responsibility. And the Kid, like his dad, centered on the spiritual, more responsible. The "fighting" between the two characters (the altercations between his parents). It's almost like he is showing the two sides of who he believed he might be based upon the personalities and dynamics of his parents and their relationship.

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Reply #231 posted 11/03/19 5:41pm

violetcrush

benni said:

 



mnfriend said:


But of course, isn't this all captured on the film 'Purple Rain' ?


I watched a clip of MTV Hollywood red carpet screening Purple Rain release 1984 (?) Eddie Murphy in the house, 


Prince walked that red carpet green faced.  He looked stricken.  




The family dynamics are covered in the film "Purple Rain", but it's interesting that he addressed it through the lense of a young adult man in the film.  In reality, the dynamics that he experienced happened as a child.  In the film, he also addressed the fact that he was conflicted on who he was.  Was he like his father (in which he hit Apples), or was he more like his mother.  He addressed that dichotomy in his book, too.  If it was difficult, as a young man, to go through those experiences, and the impact it had on him, imagine just how much more difficult it was as a child to go through those experiences and try to make sense of the world around him.  It's hard enough to deal with as an adult, but as a child, it's extremely confusing, because you love both parents, and at the same time, you aren't sure how you should feel about  those parents and their actions.  It makes "love" all the more confusing after you grow up, because you were definitely given mixed messages as a child as to what "love" meant.  But Prince seemed to figure it out very well.    

Edited it to add:  It's interesting the characters that he developed for the film too.  I see Morris Day almost like his mother - carefree, wanting to go out and have fun, not concerned about the responsibility.  And the Kid, like his dad, centered on the spiritual, more responsible.  The "fighting" between the two characters (the altercations between his parents).  It's almost like he is showing the two sides of who he believed he might be based upon the personalities and dynamics of his parents and their relationship.  


 

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It seems the Morris and Vanity personas were part of his psyche. He had portions of the funny suave guy and the sexual and promiscuous mixed in with the hard working spiritual guy. His associates in the camp during that time have stated these were extensions of his personality.
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He had to portray the family dynamic as a young man instead of a child, because I don’t think there would have been time to cover his childhood and the rest of the story.
Reply #232 posted 11/03/19 6:54pm

Seahorsie

Found a gem in the book! The first car he bought with some of his record deal was a 1977 Datsun 200SX. (Later the company rebranded itself as Nissan) I had a brand new 200SX in 1979, blue as well. Dont you think it is ironic that the model was a SX? Just add a letter...

Well, anyhow, really enjoyed all the pics I had never seen before, and I loved the weight of the paper they printed it on, and so many other things. I really feel they did a pretty good job on it, considering there was so little completed by P when he left us. I know that some day I will pull it off my bookshelves and it will be a celebration of a life, but right now it tugs on my heart, and I am putting it up 4 now. Have a great new week everyone.

rainbow

Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
Reply #233 posted 11/03/19 8:06pm

80tomato

Found this on the internet as being part of the original Purple Rain script


MOTHER
I was beautiful when your Dad
met me. I was out-a-sight!

She giggles, starts applying makeup--

MOTHER
I looked just like a movie
star. The minute he saw me
singing, I knew just what he
wanted.

She fixes him with a conspiratorial
look, whispers--

MOTHER
He wanted to get into my
panties.

She makes funny, "jazzy" eyes at him,
then stops suddenly, staring. His face,
mouth, eyes...a sudden stirring in her
loins. Her lips part, she moistens them
unconsciously...

She turns from the mirror and stares at
him -- his look connects with her groin.
She rises suddenly, walks slowly toward
the bed, sits facing him--

MOTHER
You look so pretty. Just like
me, honey. You coulda been a
girl.

She outlines the mole on his cheek with
a makeup pencil, then draws one on
herself. She takes her earring off, and
puts it on his ear. They are face to
face -- identical--

MOTHER
So pretty...




And if that doesn't scream MAJOR UH-OH FEELINGS. idk what does

Reply #234 posted 11/03/19 8:30pm

violetcrush

80tomato said:

Found this on the internet as being part of the original Purple Rain script


 


 


 






MOTHER
I was beautiful when your Dad
met me. I was out-a-sight!

She giggles, starts applying makeup--

MOTHER
I looked just like a movie
star. The minute he saw me
singing, I knew just what he
wanted.

She fixes him with a conspiratorial
look, whispers--

MOTHER
He wanted to get into my
panties.

She makes funny, "jazzy" eyes at him,
then stops suddenly, staring. His face,
mouth, eyes...a sudden stirring in her
loins. Her lips part, she moistens them
unconsciously...

She turns from the mirror and stares at
him -- his look connects with her groin.
She rises suddenly, walks slowly toward
the bed, sits facing him--

MOTHER
You look so pretty. Just like
me, honey. You coulda been a
girl.

She outlines the mole on his cheek with
a makeup pencil, then draws one on
herself. She takes her earring off, and
puts it on his ear. They are face to
face -- identical--

MOTHER
So pretty...




And if that doesn't scream MAJOR UH-OH FEELINGS. idk what does




 


Holy crap!! You found that online?? Where?? If that is legit then it explains a lot more about the complex Mother-Son relationship eek
Reply #235 posted 11/03/19 11:31pm

poppys

80tomato said:

Found this on the internet as being part of the original Purple Rain script


Provide an actual source - sounds like (really terrible) fan fiction. Man, this thread's gone downhill fast.

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Reply #236 posted 11/04/19 2:49am

kindofblue

Two questions:

1. Why do you think all the pictures of Owen Husney are missing from Prince's 1977 photo book?

2. Do You think it was the Sometimes it snows in April we know today, that was already supposed to be on For You (as mentioned on p. 267)? Or maybe it was only a line Prince was fond of that evolved into a whole different song in 1985? (See the two unrelated songs called "The Max", and I'm sure there are other incidents like this in Prince's catalogue, but can't name them right now.) Are there any interviews by Wendy & Lisa about the creation of the 1985 version they supposedly co-authored?

Reply #237 posted 11/04/19 4:07am

IstenSzek

kindofblue said:

Two questions:

1. Why do you think all the pictures of Owen Husney are missing from Prince's 1977 photo book?

2. Do You think it was the Sometimes it snows in April we know today, that was already supposed to be on For You (as mentioned on p. 267)? Or maybe it was only a line Prince was fond of that evolved into a whole different song in 1985? (See the two unrelated songs called "The Max", and I'm sure there are other incidents like this in Prince's catalogue, but can't name them right now.) Are there any interviews by Wendy & Lisa about the creation of the 1985 version they supposedly co-authored?


well, a couple of notes later, it says that there is an early version of 'sometimes it snows'
in the lyrics notebook for "for you" (circa 1976-1977) so it's probably at least in part one
of those songs he had knocking about for a decade or so before revisiting it.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #238 posted 11/04/19 5:17am

TheTruth123

I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.
Reply #239 posted 11/04/19 5:48am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

TheTruth123 said:

I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.

A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.

.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things. I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #240 posted 11/04/19 6:11am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.

 


A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.


.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things.  I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.


I think he was sentimental and nostalgic about his life even though he claimed mot to be. The whole “what’s in the past is past and I never look back” spiel was a facade. He looked back in his music and by keeping all of his mementos. I’m sure it was also to gauge where he was at certain times and how he’d changed. In that way like most people - holding on to memories and items to mark periods in time.
Reply #241 posted 11/04/19 6:16am

TheTruth123

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.

 


A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.


.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things.  I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.



I just kept my things because they are a part of who I am. They mean a lot to me. As do the people who’ve been in my life during this whole journey. You always want to remember who you were as a little kid. No matter what life throws at you, don’t lose that. And no one can take it from you. I don’t care what they do to you.
Even if we don’t have physical tangible things anymore to remind us, no one can ever take from you who you are.
God created you because He loves you. Thank him each day for your life.
[Edited 11/5/19 10:35am]
Reply #242 posted 11/04/19 6:18am

violetcrush

kindofblue said:

Two questions:


1. Why do you think all the pictures of Owen Husney are missing from Prince's 1977 photo book?


 


2. Do You think it was the Sometimes it snows in April we know today, that was already supposed to be on For You (as mentioned on p. 267)? Or maybe it was only a line Prince was fond of that evolved into a whole different song in 1985? (See the two unrelated songs called "The Max", and I'm sure there are other incidents like this in Prince's catalogue, but can't name them right now.) Are there any interviews by Wendy & Lisa about the creation of the 1985 version they supposedly co-authored?


He had a falling out with Husney (he went after Prince for more money after he was fired) and they never reconciled. During his 1999 interview with Larry King, when he was talking about his Manager taking him out to LA to record his first album, he said “his name escapes me”. So, he would not even speak his name in ‘99.
*
It has been stated in Biographies, and recently by Susannah in her Toure interview, that Wendy, Lisa and Prince recoded SISIA in the studio together in one take. Prince may have had the title lyric written earlier that he thought of or picked up from somewhere, but the rest of the lyrics are tied to UTCM, which we know he created on the spot in Summer of ‘85.
Reply #243 posted 11/04/19 6:18am

TheTruth123

I was thinking this morning about why it is that so many of us felt a huge loss when Prince passed, even though we did not follow him in recent years. I think there are several reasons, but a big one is that he never blamed anyone.
Yes, during his life he had relationship problems as we all do, but in essence, he never blamed anyone for the state of his life today. That is a remarkable quality, and I think deep in our hearts most of us want that and admire it.
[Edited 11/4/19 6:19am]
Reply #244 posted 11/04/19 6:21am

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.

 


A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.


.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things.  I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.



I just kept my things because they are a part of who I am. They mean a lot to me. As do the people who’ve been in my life during this whole journey. You always want to remember who you were as a little kid. No matter what life throws at you, don’t lose that. And no one can take it from you. I don’t care what they do to you.
Even if we don’t have physical tangible things anymore to remind us, no one can ever take from you who you are.
God created you out of his love for you. Thank him each day for your life.

Yes, and I think Prince was no different. He just kept that from the public. Although, songs like Reflection show that side of him. I think he was much more sentimental than he would ever admit.
Reply #245 posted 11/04/19 6:21am

TheTruth123

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



TheTruth123 said:


I think it’s great that Prince kept all this stuff. Shows he cared about himself and knew who he was.

 


A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.


.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things.  I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.


I think he was sentimental and nostalgic about his life even though he claimed mot to be. The whole “what’s in the past is past and I never look back” spiel was a facade. He looked back in his music and by keeping all of his mementos. I’m sure it was also to gauge where he was at certain times and how he’d changed. In that way like most people - holding on to memories and items to mark periods in time.

[Edited 11/5/19 10:37am]
Reply #246 posted 11/04/19 6:22am

TheTruth123

Prince was writing this memoir to help us. One lesson he was trying to give us was to “Respect Yourself”.
Reply #247 posted 11/04/19 6:23am

bsprout

I just watched Mi-Ling’s review of the book. She points out how at the end of the handwritten lyrics for ‘Little Red Corvette’, Prince wrote, ‘Mayday’, which apparently was his (and others’) nickname for her at the time.

Edited to delete youtube link
[Edited 11/4/19 6:26am]
Reply #248 posted 11/04/19 6:59am

80tomato

poppys said:

80tomato said:

Found this on the internet as being part of the original Purple Rain script


Provide an actual source - sounds like (really terrible) fan fiction. Man, this thread's gone downhill fast.

[Edited 11/4/19 6:05am]

H Poppy...I agree it reads like fan fiction ...It is from a post on LSA from May 2016 ....I checked back to see if there was a source cited but there was none .I did feel it was significant because it mentions the stroking of his cheek and the earrng scenario which he mentions in his book published 3 years later

Reply #249 posted 11/04/19 7:14am

poppys

80tomato said:

poppys said:


Provide an actual source - sounds like (really terrible) fan fiction. Man, this thread's gone downhill fast.


H Poppy...I agree it reads like fan fiction ...It is from a post on LSA from May 2016 ....I checked back to see if there was a source cited but there was none .I did feel it was significant because it mentions the stroking of his cheek and the earrng scenario which he mentions in his book published 3 years later


It's fan fiction. You can tell by the writing. Prince didn't write that for Purple Rain, lmao That's also why you have no source except Lipstick Alley.

It is not significant to anything except someone took something Prince wrote and riffed off of it. Nothing to do with The Beautiful Ones book either.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #250 posted 11/04/19 8:36am

bsprout

TheTruth123 said:

I was thinking this morning about why it is that so many of us felt a huge loss when Prince passed, even though we did not follow him in recent years. I think there are several reasons, but a big one is that he never blamed anyone.
Yes, during his life he had relationship problems as we all do, but in essence, he never blamed anyone for the state of his life today. That is a remarkable quality, and I think deep in our hearts most of us want that and admire it.
[Edited 11/4/19 6:19am]

For me the enormous loss was because his music was always in my life, at every moment. No matter the decade, there was always a Prince song I knew and
loved and could identify with at a particular time or event in my life. By this I don’t necessarily mean identity with the lyrics, per se. I mean that I could always associate a Prince song to whatever moment in my life when that particular song came out. Losing Prince meant having to say goodbye to something so familiar, so always welcome. Of course as a massive fan I also admired him and losing such a talent left a void that I still feel so sad about. I am glad to have all the music, though, and grateful to him for leaving this to us.
Reply #251 posted 11/04/19 9:09am

violetcrush

TheTruth123 said:

violetcrush said:


I think he was sentimental and nostalgic about his life even though he claimed mot to be. The whole “what’s in the past is past and I never look back” spiel was a facade. He looked back in his music and by keeping all of his mementos. I’m sure it was also to gauge where he was at certain times and how he’d changed. In that way like most people - holding on to memories and items to mark periods in time.


I don’t know that he gave it that much thought. You can be in the present moment and also acknowledge the past without stewing in it.

His songs often “stewed” in the past though, especially those about his relationships with women. He also had the plan for PP to become a “museum” of his life and work before he passed. He was planning all of that.
Reply #252 posted 11/04/19 9:15am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

TheTruth123 said:

Prince was writing this memoir to help us. One lesson he was trying to give us was to “Respect Yourself”.

And create your life. There is a quote that i love, I'll repost it

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #253 posted 11/04/19 9:18am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

TheTruth123 said:

I was thinking this morning about why it is that so many of us felt a huge loss when Prince passed, even though we did not follow him in recent years. I think there are several reasons, but a big one is that he never blamed anyone. Yes, during his life he had relationship problems as we all do, but in essence, he never blamed anyone for the state of his life today. That is a remarkable quality, and I think deep in our hearts most of us want that and admire it. [Edited 11/4/19 6:19am]

I followed him right up to the end.

But he did blame WB for some hefty things of his career.
He did put some 'blame' in the wrong places here in there, why certain movies flopped and some other things.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #254 posted 11/04/19 9:19am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

A lot of times keeping stuff can mean, you want to see what you were like when you were younger, how much you changed, stayed the same. Or a reminder of what the times were like.

.
It is interesting looking at things I have still from my pre teen/teen years. I have a drawing-journal of things. I draw his symbol back in the 90s when he announced it. I designed my own.

I think he was sentimental and nostalgic about his life even though he claimed mot to be. The whole “what’s in the past is past and I never look back” spiel was a facade. He looked back in his music and by keeping all of his mementos. I’m sure it was also to gauge where he was at certain times and how he’d changed. In that way like most people - holding on to memories and items to mark periods in time.

Yes

Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.

And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #255 posted 11/04/19 11:21am

Mumio

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes

Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.

And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #256 posted 11/04/19 11:25am

RJP1205

Mumio said:

 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


Yes


Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.


And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.



 


 


This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


yeahthat
Reply #257 posted 11/04/19 11:31am

SchlomoThaHomo

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes

Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.

And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Yep. And let's not forget this quote:


"Are there full unreleased albums?

Yeah, I like time capsule stuff. I have a couple Revolution albums in the vault and two Time albums, one Vanity 6 album … and tons of stuff recorded in different periods. But so much gets recorded that you don’t have time to compile everything. In the future you could put all the best stuff from one particular time period together and then you can release it. It’d just be like if we found a Sly and the Family Stone album and they saved their best stuff. If that’s even possible!"

Not only did he want it heard, he left an instruction on how he would like it released.


https://www.rollingstone....ne-227347/

"That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide."
Reply #258 posted 11/04/19 11:41am

Mumio

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Mumio said:

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Yep. And let's not forget this quote:


"Are there full unreleased albums?

Yeah, I like time capsule stuff. I have a couple Revolution albums in the vault and two Time albums, one Vanity 6 album … and tons of stuff recorded in different periods. But so much gets recorded that you don’t have time to compile everything. In the future you could put all the best stuff from one particular time period together and then you can release it. It’d just be like if we found a Sly and the Family Stone album and they saved their best stuff. If that’s even possible!"

Not only did he want it heard, he left an instruction on how he would like it released.


https://www.rollingstone....ne-227347/

Thanks so much for that! I'd seen it before but could not remember where it was....now I can add that too hug

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #259 posted 11/04/19 11:59am

poppys

Are there people who don't think what's in the vault should be released since he passed? Before he died was a different situation. It was his material to do what he wanted with when he was alive.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #260 posted 11/04/19 2:23pm

motherfunka

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday. They had tables set up in the soundstage. Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage. She covered various topics throughout the book. It lasted about a 1/2 hour. After that was the dance party. Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance. They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there. Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z. They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it. Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed. All the groups took a photo with Bobby. Tyka and Sharon were there.

TRUE BLUE
Reply #261 posted 11/04/19 3:04pm

daingermouz2020

darkroman said:

WOW, that early configuration of ''For You'' looks amazing - considering half of the songs on there are not even listed on Prince Vault!

Prince Vault are going to be very busy making updates!!!!

Side One:
For You
Bodyfreeze
Never Really Fell Out Of Love With You
You Are Everything To Me
I Spend My Time Loving You

Side Two:
Soft And Wet
Baby
Let Me Touch You
Love In The Morning
Send In The Clowns


cool



[Edited 10/29/19 2:35am]

[Edited 10/29/19 2:39am]




I'd love to hear this version
Reply #262 posted 11/04/19 3:11pm

violetcrush

daingermouz2020 said:

darkroman said:

WOW, that early configuration of ''For You'' looks amazing - considering half of the songs on there are not even listed on Prince Vault!

Prince Vault are going to be very busy making updates!!!!

Side One:
For You
Bodyfreeze
Never Really Fell Out Of Love With You
You Are Everything To Me
I Spend My Time Loving You

Side Two:
Soft And Wet
Baby
Let Me Touch You
Love In The Morning
Send In The Clowns


cool



[Edited 10/29/19 2:35am]

[Edited 10/29/19 2:39am]




I'd love to hear this version

I think it’s so cool that he wanted to do a cover of Judy Collins’s version of Send In The Clowns. Such a beautiful song, and mature for Prince’s age at that time. It really shows the diversity of his interest in music.
Reply #263 posted 11/04/19 3:15pm

AnnaStesia10

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday.  They had tables set up in the soundstage.  Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage.  She covered various topics throughout the book.  It lasted about a 1/2 hour.  After that was the dance party.  Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance.  They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there.  Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z.  They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it.  Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed.  All the groups took a photo with Bobby.  Tyka and Sharon were there.


☝️
Wow what a good time. Man u r fortunate to live by PP. Good 4 u! 👍🎶
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #264 posted 11/04/19 3:21pm

violetcrush

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday.  They had tables set up in the soundstage.  Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage.  She covered various topics throughout the book.  It lasted about a 1/2 hour.  After that was the dance party.  Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance.  They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there.  Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z.  They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it.  Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed.  All the groups took a photo with Bobby.  Tyka and Sharon were there.


I think Prince would have loved how that was done. How great that you got to spend time with Bobby Z in Studio B!
Reply #265 posted 11/04/19 4:52pm

Flirt1

TheTruth123 said:

I have always noticed that prince had very strong forearms and wide wrists for his size. Did anybody notice that his mother also has larger wrists? This is noticeable in the photo of her standing by his crib. Yes, I notice details! smile

I have been thinking about your post for several days. I have also noticed how thick his wrists were. Do you think it was not only hereditary but caused by hours of playing various musical instruments? That requires a lot of physical strength.
I noticed this trait once in a guy who was a great gymnast specifically on the parallel bars and the horse. I wondered if he worked out a lot beyond the dancing in his concerts since he looked so fit.
Could be many reasons. I'm glad I'm not the only person who studies these pictures!
Reply #266 posted 11/04/19 4:58pm

PeggyO

I need some clarification please, re: Prince's High School?

Does anyone know when Prince transferred to the Southside High School? Ninth grade?

It was likely so that he could live with his Aunt Olivia?

-Did he stay and graduate from that school?

I thought Kim Upsher was a big crush; was she a Northside student?

Trying to get a more accurate sense of his whereabouts during that time.

Thanks for any help!

Reply #267 posted 11/04/19 5:03pm

poppys

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday. They had tables set up in the soundstage. Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage. She covered various topics throughout the book. It lasted about a 1/2 hour. After that was the dance party. Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance. They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there.

Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z. They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it. Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed. All the groups took a photo with Bobby. Tyka and Sharon were there.


Many thanks for posting about the book release party. Breath of fresh air!

[Edited 11/5/19 7:02am]

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #268 posted 11/04/19 8:06pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday. They had tables set up in the soundstage. Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage. She covered various topics throughout the book. It lasted about a 1/2 hour. After that was the dance party. Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance. They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there. Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z. They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it. Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed. All the groups took a photo with Bobby. Tyka and Sharon were there.



Awesome you were able to attend a once in a lifetime experience.
What did Bobby tell you about each song?

Reply #269 posted 11/04/19 11:26pm

Lovejunky

TheTruth123 said:

I was thinking this morning about why it is that so many of us felt a huge loss when Prince passed, even though we did not follow him in recent years. I think there are several reasons, but a big one is that he never blamed anyone.
Yes, during his life he had relationship problems as we all do, but in essence, he never blamed anyone for the state of his life today. That is a remarkable quality, and I think deep in our hearts most of us want that and admire it.
[Edited 11/4/19 6:19am]
profound realisation...
“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #270 posted 11/04/19 11:30pm

PeggyO

PeggyO said:

I need some clarification please, re: Prince's High School?

Does anyone know when Prince transferred to the Southside High School? Ninth grade?

It was likely so that he could live with his Aunt Olivia?

-Did he stay and graduate from that school?

I thought Kim Upsher was a big crush; was she a Northside student?

Trying to get a more accurate sense of his whereabouts during that time.

Thanks for any help!

I read an historical document provided by the State of Minnesota. It's from the National Register of Historic Places Multiple Property Documentation Form: http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@cped/documents/webcontent/wcmsp-216260.pdf

These showed dates and addresses and with whom he lived; schools are included. Interesting note: when his dad purchased a home on Newton Ave., post-divorce, Prince moved in with him at age 14 and stayed till 1973/74 (age 15/16).

Reply #271 posted 11/04/19 11:32pm

JorisE73

Mumio said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes

Even when it comes down the 'the Vault' music.
Even if he never listened to the majority of it, he sure did keep it.

And if he didn't want anyone to hear it, he would have destroyed it.

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Maybe he saw those recordings as blueprints that he could use or re-use, that's why he kept them, so he could mine those ideas in the future. That's pretty comon practice for most musicians.

Reply #272 posted 11/05/19 7:06am

poppys

JorisE73 said:

Mumio said:

This is what I say to anyone who says he didn't want anyone to hear the vault stuff. It's so damn obvious though, I'm not sure why anyone who's been around should have to be told this. He even said in an interview that he wouldn't release it but somebody would....that says to me it was his plan for it to play out that way.


Maybe he saw those recordings as blueprints that he could use or re-use, that's why he kept them, so he could mine those ideas in the future. That's pretty comon practice for most musicians.

Good point. The same way visual artists keep their sketches and studies.

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Reply #273 posted 11/05/19 9:32am

PeggyO

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.

Reply #274 posted 11/05/19 11:12am

poppys

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.


As long as the free flow of discussion about the book doesn't involve posting random internet copy from 2016 attributed to the original script of Purple Rain. Involving Prince's mother's panties, stirring loins and moistened lips, his look connecting with her groin, and her telling him he was pretty and coulda been a girl...

Neither person is alive to defend that kind of bizarro.

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Reply #275 posted 11/05/19 12:59pm

TheTruth123

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.


I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.


IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting'  or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.


I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.



It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”...
[Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]
Reply #276 posted 11/05/19 5:11pm

motherfunka

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

motherfunka said:

I went to the book release party at Paisley Park Friday. They had tables set up in the soundstage. Andrea Swensson from the Current interviewed Dan on the stage. She covered various topics throughout the book. It lasted about a 1/2 hour. After that was the dance party. Some people hung out in the soundstage and others in the L4OA/NPGMC room to dance. They gave us different colored wrist bands when we first got there. Throughout the rest of the night they called the different groups to go to Studio B control room, where we were met by Bobby Z. They played 2 tracks from the forthcoming 1999 release and Bobby gaved us a short talk about each song before they played it. Our group heard Do Me, Baby live and Possessed. All the groups took a photo with Bobby. Tyka and Sharon were there.



Awesome you were able to attend a once in a lifetime experience.
What did Bobby tell you about each song?

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

TRUE BLUE
Reply #277 posted 11/05/19 5:25pm

mnfriend

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said:

Something has been bothering me about this thread and as I am going to be away for a few days, I would like to express my feelngs now.

I am hoping that we all can have a voice and feel fairly free to discuss our thoughts and opinions re: this book. We have all been waiting for this book.

IMO, there are a couple of very strong voices who have annointed themselves as the protectors of Prince's privacy and dignity etc. and this has hindered the free flow of discussion. If someone is feeling offended by what they think is too much 'prying' into Prince's life, perhaps gentle 're-orienting' or a mild question would be in order instead of a judgemental put-down.

I think most of love Prince and do not want to harm his legacy.

It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”... [Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

Reply #278 posted 11/05/19 5:44pm

PennyPurple

I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.


Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?

Reply #279 posted 11/05/19 7:11pm

PeggyO

mnfriend said:

TheTruth123 said:

PeggyO said: It sounds like they’re not the only ones who consider themselves to be a “protector”... [Edited 11/5/19 13:52pm]


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

you are not who i am referring to, however, that is not my point. i just wish that we would allow the thread to 'breathe' without a few orgers dictating what is ok to speak about. IMO Prince really opened up and I do not think we need to shut down some discussions that may threaten certain orgers who need to 'protect' Prince. We are adults and we would not be here if we did not respect him and his work.

Reply #280 posted 11/05/19 9:14pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

motherfunka said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Awesome you were able to attend a once in a lifetime experience.
What did Bobby tell you about each song?

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin



Thanks for sharing your memories!

Reply #281 posted 11/06/19 1:30am

olb99

kindofblue said:

2. Do You think it was the Sometimes it snows in April we know today, that was already supposed to be on For You (as mentioned on p. 267)? Or maybe it was only a line Prince was fond of that evolved into a whole different song in 1985? (See the two unrelated songs called "The Max", and I'm sure there are other incidents like this in Prince's catalogue, but can't name them right now.) Are there any interviews by Wendy & Lisa about the creation of the 1985 version they supposedly co-authored?

.

A list of homonym songs I found (yeah, I was bored...): "17" (and "17 (Penetration)"), "Girl", "Good Life" (and "The Good Life"), "Grace", "I Am", "Lisa", "Love And Sex", "The Max", "Nine", "Paisley Park", "Venus De Milo", "Soulpsychodelicide", "Sticky Wicked", "Wow".

.

whew

Reply #282 posted 11/06/19 5:43am

poppys

PeggyO said:

mnfriend said:


I am not privy to who is behind screen names, nor who anybody is referring to 1/2 the time, but if on the slight off chance you are referring to me (I feel like I posted a lot here since the book)

I do not consider nor claim any game concerning Prince. Just a fan and admirer, and as such, pointing out positives I see and liked.

Thank you for letting me be myself, again.

you are not who i am referring to, however, that is not my point. i just wish that we would allow the thread to 'breathe' without a few orgers dictating what is ok to speak about. IMO Prince really opened up and I do not think we need to shut down some discussions that may threaten certain orgers who need to 'protect' Prince. We are adults and we would not be here if we did not respect him and his work.


This thread topic is about the book. Whoever you think the few orgers dictating are, why not reply to them in the thread one on one (or org notes)? That is the format here. If you want to discuss what you think is being shut down, say it. You can also start a thread on any Prince topic you want and still utilize your thoughts from the book.

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Reply #283 posted 11/06/19 5:47am

poppys

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin



Thanks for sharing your memories!


Yes, all good stuff. Dan sounds like a sweetheart.

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Reply #284 posted 11/06/19 6:55am

Vannormal

-

The book is absolutely great by the way.

Love it !

-

But I'm also sure this is the first of many/others to come.

-

Considdering the fact that there is still a lot of info

and interviews he gave throughout his life, poeple he invited over to

tell stories to, etc.

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

I'm very much convinced there is still a lot to be documented of what will be found and sorted from the Paisley shelves.

And not to foget the direct information there still is available

from Tyka and other family members. They still can bring in a lot more insight info.

Not to forget the bandmembers... etc.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #285 posted 11/06/19 7:46am

SBartist

PennyPurple said:

I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.


Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?

I liked this part as well, since I have spent a lot of time re-creating his outfits to wear (still working on more).

My take on his mother coming home and walking funny was because of high heeled (stiletto) shoes and partying (i.e. dancing) all night. However, it certainly could be from her being tipsy.

Reply #286 posted 11/06/19 8:07am

Mumio

motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

Thank you, I always look forward to your posts hug

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #287 posted 11/06/19 8:43am

BartVanHemelen

Vannormal said:

-

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

-

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #288 posted 11/06/19 2:51pm

violetcrush

PennyPurple said:

I think the part where Prince mentioned how he liked to see his parents get dressed up to go out on the town, and how his mother would come home walking funny, was probably because she was tipsy.



Did anyone else notice that sometimes Prince would use Jr. after name?


Yes, that is what I took from his Mother “walking funny” as well. Seems as though she enjoyed being out on the town with his Father and also her friends.
*
Also interesting was the detail of his Mom’s special wink at him that he took as her sharing a secret with only him, and then he found out later she had a lot of secrets. Wondering if he was alluding to affairs with men or something else.
Reply #289 posted 11/06/19 4:06pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

I need to find a version of this book with the purple pages. Aaaargh!!!! Help!

MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
Reply #290 posted 11/06/19 4:26pm

MIGUELGOMEZ

mantaray31 said:

MarcelS67 said:

Looks like I'll just have to wait for a couple of days, the book is not yet available neither in the store or online yet here.

Anyway, does anybody know whats up with the two versions (different publisher?) first one is:

  • 9780399589652

Second one is:

  • 9781780899176

Book covers look slightly different too.

[Edited 10/30/19 10:46am]

They are for Random House US and Random House UK respectively. I happened to order the UK version from a Swedish site and now it says "delivery date unknown" while the US version can be delivered in a few days...

I hope the UK version is not cancelled...

It's funny you should mention two versions. My friend in the UK purchased a version where the pages are purple.

MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits"
Reply #291 posted 11/06/19 6:12pm

motherfunka

Mumio said:

motherfunka said:

From what I can remember, for Do Me, Baby he talked about how Prince mentioned the song in the book and that Prince was the greatest screamer in rock-n-roll. For Possessed he talked about how the song went through many incarnations and the Syracuse show version being on another level. He also talked about how Prince calls him (Bobby) out at the beginning of the song.

.

Dan was great too. He was a little overwhemed when he finished the talk with Andrea and people were wanting him to sign the book. He didn't want to take anything away from Prince, if you know what I mean. When he signed mine we talked a little bit about the night he met Prince at the Judith Hill/The Time show at Paisley Park in Jan 2016. I told him I was half watching Prince and half watching the Time because Prince was being so animated by playing "air" bass and keyboards throughout the show. He said he thought he might have dreamed that and was glad I confirmed that it really did happen. biggrin

Thank you, I always look forward to your posts hug

hug

TRUE BLUE
Reply #292 posted 11/06/19 7:09pm

littlemissG

I read P’s mother’s love note to his father. No wonder prince is so romantic. I wonder WHEN he took possession of it. After one or both parents passed away or did he get much earlier. Perhaps when the home was broken during the divorce. He may have kept it all those years as proof they really loved each other, and may even had hopes of them getting back together as many children of divorce do.
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Reply #293 posted 11/06/19 9:23pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

-

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

-

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

Reply #294 posted 11/06/19 11:00pm

BartVanHemelen

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

BartVanHemelen said:

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

.

1. The publisher had 20/30 handwritten pages.

.

2. Money had been paid.

.

Both the publisher and the estate had an interest in producing something of value.

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #295 posted 11/07/19 4:54am

bsprout

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin
Reply #296 posted 11/07/19 5:05am

PennyPurple

bsprout said:

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin

Yay, that's great news!!

Reply #297 posted 11/07/19 5:20am

bsprout

PennyPurple said:

 



bsprout said:


The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin

Yay, that's great news!!


Yes! And bittersweet at the same time. But I’m sure he knows about it 😉
Reply #298 posted 11/07/19 5:56am

poppys

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

-

The book is absolutely great by the way.

Love it !

-

But I'm also sure this is the first of many/others to come.

-

Considdering the fact that there is still a lot of info

and interviews he gave throughout his life, poeple he invited over to

tell stories to, etc.

All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

I'm very much convinced there is still a lot to be documented of what will be found and sorted from the Paisley shelves.

And not to foget the direct information there still is available

from Tyka and other family members. They still can bring in a lot more insight info.

Not to forget the bandmembers... etc.

-

.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

BartVanHemelen said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The existing contract was null and void.

P could no longer deliver on the contract after his death.

The contract was re-negotiated.

.

1. The publisher had 20/30 handwritten pages.

.

2. Money had been paid.

.

Both the publisher and the estate had an interest in producing something of value.

bsprout said:

The book is #1 on the New York Times hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week of Nov 16th biggrin


After Prince died they could have quashed the book. With no valid contract, pages and money can be returned. Now that the book is doing so well, they might be interested in continuing with more of the material in some format as Van said.

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Reply #299 posted 11/07/19 7:18am

djThunderfunk

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said:
Just got my copy and have to say that this book looks exquisite— from the texture of the gold book cover, the purple color hard bound cover, the thick, sturdy pages. I’ll be buying another mint copy to keep on my shelf as I know I’ll be riffling these pages quite a bit. Haven’t read the content yet but Prince would have been proud of the physical copy of this book. Excited to see them displayed at my local Barnes and Noble.
Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

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Reply #300 posted 11/07/19 7:40am

IstenSzek

djThunderfunk said:

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said: Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...


same here. i like it, don't get me wrong and the pictures alone are worth the price.

but what i would really want at some point in the future is a real extensive book on
his life and work, at least 800 pages, piecing together all the interviews, recorded
facts and tidbits and all strung together by interviewing all the people he was close
to either in personal relationships or in bands/collaborations.

to put everyone's information together in one place, combining stuff like The Vault
book and a biography.

omg

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Reply #301 posted 11/07/19 7:42am

IstenSzek

another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg


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Reply #302 posted 11/07/19 7:47am

IstenSzek

fuck it, it would probably have to be 3 books lol because the ones the estate
has printed (guitars, clothes etc), all those pictures, and more should also be
represented. ALL his studio gear, from the consoles to the synths and stuff he
had in storage. all the outfits, you name it. extensive Paisley Park shots.

good lord, just like with his album reissues, we'd ideally get a boxed set of not
1 but 3 or 4 books lol

with prince it's never enough, there's always more to explore. and since i have
a library of about 2100 books now, i'd love nothing more than to add a few very
extensive, well layed out and executed prince books to it, combining my two
favourite hobby's: prince and books. smile

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Reply #303 posted 11/07/19 7:48am

djThunderfunk

IstenSzek said:

another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg



I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink

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Reply #304 posted 11/07/19 8:08am

IstenSzek

djThunderfunk said:

IstenSzek said:

another book, or a sort of companion book to the 'bio' could be a coffeetable
book, also at least 600 pages, filled with pictures. all the stuff he collected in
his personal collection (a bit of which we see in The Beautiful Ones) and lots
of other stuff, including alternate album artwork, session outtakes, tour stubs
special editions, handwritten lyrics, poetry, letters etc.

omg omg



I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink


also include Neo Manifesto etc and i'm going to throw bags of money at this lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #305 posted 11/07/19 9:03am

3rdeyedude

djThunderfunk said:

TheTruth123 said:

darlingnikkkki said: Did you notice how heavy the book is? They did good by us for $30. [Edited 11/1/19 3:26am]


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.

Reply #306 posted 11/07/19 9:26am

djThunderfunk

3rdeyedude said:

djThunderfunk said:


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.


Agreed! The 2 books back to back make for a great (and more satisfying) experience. Excellent timing on the releases.


[Edited 11/7/19 9:27am]

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Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #307 posted 11/07/19 9:35am

djThunderfunk

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


I like BOTH your ideas, I'll buy 'em both!! biggrin


Here's my coffee table book idea: compile ALL the tour books into one large over-sized coffee table book. wink


also include Neo Manifesto etc and i'm going to throw bags of money at this lol



You just made it perfect! cool

I also want a nice hard-back book reprinting the 2 DC comics, including some essays telling the story about it's creation, maybe some extra artwork, maybe Prince's notes.

A guy from Marvel just expressed enterest in working on a Prince comic, maybe they get him to do a whole new story to add to the reprints?

Sorry to get off-topic on other book ideas... guess that should be a separate thread. lol

Back on topic. Although I found the book to be a short experience, it was a fantastic one.
I highly recommend everyone check it out. It's an essential addition to any fan's bookshelf.


REEFER MADNESS!
Joe Biden still thinks marijuana is a gateway drug:
https://www.businessinsid...t-2019-11/
Reply #308 posted 11/07/19 1:18pm

deangela

[Off topic, wrong forum snip - luv4u]

Reply #309 posted 11/07/19 3:19pm

FrankieCoco1

Nice interview with Dan Piepenbring on BBC 6 music today

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0009yw0

Starts about 2 hours 5 minutes into the show with Tom Ravenscroft hosting.
Reply #310 posted 11/07/19 5:17pm

vandeluca

I have been saying this since he's gone. The world needs some sort of history book or whatever you want to call it...all emcompassing. Having all life asepcts in it.....Like you said multi-volumes

The people alive today, these primary sources, who knew him I hope realize how fortunate they were to work/assosciae with a musicinan ilke this. We are luck to haVe lived during it. They need to share it all and not take it to the grave.

IstenSzek said:

fuck it, it would probably have to be 3 books lol because the ones the estate
has printed (guitars, clothes etc), all those pictures, and more should also be
represented. ALL his studio gear, from the consoles to the synths and stuff he
had in storage. all the outfits, you name it. extensive Paisley Park shots.

good lord, just like with his album reissues, we'd ideally get a boxed set of not
1 but 3 or 4 books lol

with prince it's never enough, there's always more to explore. and since i have
a library of about 2100 books now, i'd love nothing more than to add a few very
extensive, well layed out and executed prince books to it, combining my two
favourite hobby's: prince and books. smile

Reply #311 posted 11/08/19 3:29am

Vannormal

BartVanHemelen said:

Vannormal said:

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All this fnew to be organised and found information that needs to be distilled for another book (or more like an essay) on the rest of his life.

Just saying.

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.

Only if this book sells well and a publisher is willing to put up a lot of money. Other than the Warners releases there is fairly little activity coming from the estate, and the few things they put out (e.g. the couple of books with guitars etc.) aren't even available worldwide. This book happened in a large part because there was an existing contract (and because there was that buncdle of initial notes); but the next book won't have access to handwritten notes that were supposed to be the start of a memoir.

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

-

It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

-

Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

-

I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #312 posted 11/08/19 4:38am

PennyPurple

Vannormal said:

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

-

It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

-

Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

-

I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

-

Because Dan wanted it to be in Prince's own words, not those of the associates. They are always free to put out their own books.

I for one, am thankful Dan did the book in this way.

Reply #313 posted 11/08/19 4:47am

poppys

Agree with you Penny. Adding associates to this book would change it completely.

As ISLIJAG already said, the contract for the book became void when he died. And an estate "exists" as soon as you die.

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Reply #314 posted 11/08/19 5:38am

peaceandlove

Just finished this beautiful book. One can definitely feel Prince's humor but more importantly his genuine kindness. Well done Dan. Thank you.

Peaceandlove☮️💜☮️💜
Reply #315 posted 11/08/19 6:36am

TrevorAyer

They need a prince encyclopedia each volume released to coincide with an extensive and complete era package with each album.
Reply #316 posted 11/08/19 2:55pm

Roby78

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

Reply #317 posted 11/08/19 3:07pm

motherfunka

Roby78 said:

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

TRUE BLUE
Reply #318 posted 11/08/19 8:32pm

Mumio

motherfunka said:

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

lol lol

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
Reply #319 posted 11/09/19 3:56am

PURPLEIZED3121

PennyPurple said:

Vannormal said:

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Exactly.

It was the Bremer Trust that asked Random House to finish the book, and as you say, there was a contract.

But it was the Estate or Bremer Trust (I don't think the Estate as such excited already) that gave the permission to go to Paisley Park (as a first mission) to go through all his stuff to see what they could use (and later on the Comerica Bank).

-

It seems that he documented everything pretty well (for someone saying he didn't live in the past).

They found loads of stuff basically everywhere.

(..even found loads of information concerning the Puprle Rain movie - boxes full of...)

Dan Piepenbring stated (in the book) that there is an 'immensity' of information; 5200 objects, thousands of papers... etc.

-

Thing is, indeed, who's williinng to pay for all this to assemble to make (an)other book(s) ?

Or is it Mr. Howe's plan to use it (mostly) for future releases ? If the Estate gives permission ?

-

I like Dan Piepenbring's writing. It's a good read.

The only thing missing for me is extra interviews with the people he worked with at the time.

Why not having Tonny Vicary for a few words, or Lisa, etc.. Money of course i guess, and other official problems..

-

Because Dan wanted it to be in Prince's own words, not those of the associates. They are always free to put out their own books.

I for one, am thankful Dan did the book in this way.

100% agree.

Reply #320 posted 11/09/19 4:44am

BartVanHemelen

The November 2019 issue of UK music monthly Classic Pop has a half-page review of the book.

© Bart Van Hemelen
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
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Reply #321 posted 11/09/19 7:18am

violetcrush

3rdeyedude said:

djThunderfunk said:


Heavy? Sure. But I read it in a few hours.

I like it, but I've spent more time reading magazines devoted to Prince.

Just sayin'...

True. It's the best 1/4 of a book I have ever read. And if you want a more enjoyable read, Morris Day's book is excellent. The Morriss uses Prince in the book makes you feel like he is still with us. But in the Beautiful Ones, it's more of a vibe like you are reading about a dead guy.

But, you're really not "reading about a dead guy", because these were Prince's thoughts and words while he was alive, so they are relevant for the time that he wrote them, and absolutely represent what he wanted the world to know about his childhood, his family dynamic, and also his ideas for the rest of the book.

*

His songs also give us some of that story, but I LOVE that he went deeper into the details, and also confirmed that he really did love BOTH his Mother and Father, and that while some of his childhood created negative memories, there were many good memories of time with both of his parents. He was telling us how his parents, especially his Mother, shaped his imagination and the person he became.

*

I love the detail about his interest in girls, starting with Laura at just five years old, and how it progressed through puberty. I love the "Petey" story, and it's interesting that one of the characters in his song "Cirle of Amour" is named Denise - who is one of the girls involved in the "Petey" story in the book, and is about him having a sexual fantasy about four "fast" girls from his high school:

*

Mary, Claire, Denise and Belle
Best friends as far as I could tell
Chearleaders except 4 Denise
She was the wild one
She was the beast
She was the one who named the group
The original gang of 4

*

It is beyond sad that Prince did not get the chance to finish his story, because it clearly shows that if he had kept writing in this way we would have had much more detail about his life and relationships through the 80's and 90's. Yes, we still have his songs that briefly tell his story, but the book would have been much more elaborate.

[Edited 11/9/19 7:22am]

Reply #322 posted 11/09/19 12:41pm

Roby78

motherfunka said:

Roby78 said:

Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl

Keep talking pls lurking

Where did you order from? 1-800-NEW-FUNK? lol

lol lol lol

I ordered on amazon,But in Italy the book will come out on November 20 (and we don't know why), maybe that's why I won't get there before December, even if ordering on amazon I thought it would come first disbelief

Reply #323 posted 11/09/19 4:57pm

onlyforaminute

Roby78 said:

 



motherfunka said:


 



Roby78 said:


Ugh, I ordered the book in August but it won't arrive before December 3rd bawl


 


Keep talking pls  lurking



 


Where did you order from?  1-800-NEW-FUNK?  lol



 


 


lol lol lol


I ordered on amazon,But in Italy the book will come out on November 20 (and we don't know why), maybe that's why I won't get there before December, even if ordering on amazon I thought it would come first  disbelief


Can't you kindle it or do Audible?
Year of Return 2019
Reply #324 posted 11/10/19 2:26am

FrankieCoco1

https://mobile.twitter.com/nightethereal/status/1189150951862611968

This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.
Reply #325 posted 11/10/19 7:23am

kingricefan

Where did they get the huge poster under the Prince sign of the book cover???? I want!! I want!! I WANT!!! biggrin

FrankieCoco1 said:

https://mobile.twitter.co...1862611968 This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.

Reply #326 posted 11/10/19 8:03am

poppys

kingricefan said:

Where did they get the huge poster under the Prince sign of the book cover???? I want!! I want!! I WANT!!! biggrin

FrankieCoco1 said:

https://mobile.twitter.co...1862611968 This link shows that the Foyles bookshop in London have made a good effort for this release.

Nice display! It's the full photo with the short shorts too.

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Reply #327 posted 11/11/19 8:48am

bsprout

Late news but the book was #2 on the Publishers Weekly hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week ending 2nd November biggrin
Reply #328 posted 11/11/19 6:46pm

bsprout

bsprout said:

Late news but the book was #2 on the Publishers Weekly hardcover nonfiction bestseller list for the week ending 2nd November biggrin

It’s still the #2 bestseller on PW for this week (November 11th)
Reply #329 posted 11/11/19 9:25pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

It kinda sux that the book discussion is centered around articles and sales.

Why is that??

There is much to talk about.


Seriously, no one wants to talk about Ps written relationship with his parents?

Reply #330 posted 11/11/19 10:03pm

PeggyO

[Off topic snip - luv4u]

Reply #331 posted 11/12/19 4:40am

bsprout

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

It kinda sux that the book discussion is centered around articles and sales.

Why is that??

There is much to talk about.


Seriously, no one wants to talk about Ps written relationship with his parents?  


Uh, no one said you couldn’t discuss his relationship with his parents. If you have a comment about that, then say it, and there will be a discussion on it (or not). I don’t know. As for me, I haven’t had time to read the book again to make a remotely interesting comment about his relationship with his parents. I’m sure if I had one, I would. This thread is for anything about the book, as far as i can tell.
Reply #332 posted 11/12/19 7:29am

PURPLEIZED3121

The relationship he's written about with his dad genuinely shocked me. From my extensive reading over the years etc I always thought they had a strained relationship, JL was borderline jealous of P's success etc. So, to hear of the polar opposite is both surprising but also [if true!] heartening.

As for his relationship with his mother...oooh lawdy she sounded like a fun person to be around.

The duality of Prince's Gemini is beautifully explained by him.

[Edited 11/12/19 7:54am]

Reply #333 posted 11/12/19 7:44am

PURPLEIZED3121

Jesus....now this was the clip that just came back to me...John L Nelson..really does contradict P's story I think..assuming they reconcilled afterwards. Cringeworthy from P & Sharon.

https://www.youtube.com/w...e=youtu.be

Reply #334 posted 11/12/19 7:54am

PURPLEIZED3121

[Edited 11/12/19 9:48am]

Reply #335 posted 11/12/19 8:05am

Hamad

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/441863?&pg=1


 


Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....



Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.
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Reply #336 posted 11/12/19 8:22am

poppys

Hamad said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....


Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.


Good observations. John Nelson was from Louisiana too, nothing but great piano players. Would love to hear some recordings from John's PRN band gigs, have also thought of that.

For some reason the org links rarely work. I started posting the title with the link so at least you can find it on the google search.

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Reply #337 posted 11/12/19 8:28am

Hamad

poppys said:

 



Hamad said:


PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/441863?&pg=1


 


Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....




Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.



Good observations. John Nelson was from Louisiana too, nothing but great piano players. Would love to hear some recordings from John's PRN band gigs, have also thought of that. 

For some reason the org links rarely work. I started posting the title with the link so at least you can find it on the google search.



Thanks! I thought I was crazy with that observation, glad somebody else thought of that same thing. Sorry can you tell me the name of the thread title again? lol it’s kind of a long thread so far, I’m not sure which reply to look for.
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Reply #338 posted 11/12/19 8:33am

poppys

PURPLEIZED3121 posted that link.


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Reply #339 posted 11/12/19 9:46am

PURPLEIZED3121

Hamad said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

https://prince.org/msg/7/...?&pg=1

Original thread from the org here. JL really does not come across well.....

Takes me to a computer article? Somehow I’m not if it’s the right link you intended. Yeah I remember that YouTube clip, I really loved watching him play/sing “Purple Rain” on the piano, it kinda reminds me just a little bit of stride piano of folks like Teddy Wilson. Interesting connection I just thought of, he was heavily influenced by Thelonious Monk, who himself cited Teddy Wilson & Art Tatum as great influences. I wonder if he recorded anything from his Prince Roger Trio days, would’ve been interesting to hear indeed.

apologies, will hunt out the correct link.

Reply #340 posted 11/12/19 9:48am

PURPLEIZED3121

Try this link:

https://www.youtube.com/w...yr-TaMi0gA

A very different picture...P would have been furious with them both.

Reply #341 posted 11/12/19 10:29am

jfenster

to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity

Reply #342 posted 11/12/19 10:51am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

jfenster said:

to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity



I think as he got older, he had a different perspective about his parents, and the choices they made when he was a child.

Reply #343 posted 11/12/19 10:54am

PURPLEIZED3121

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

jfenster said:

to me Prince seemed to be tryin to be postive with what he wrote in the book..i coudnt detect any negativity



I think as he got older, he had a different perspective about his parents, and the choices they made when he was a child.

totally agree. I am guessing that as we all saw he grew older & very much wiser & probably had a different take on their relationship. Glad he reconcilled it...first sign of this I guess was with Arboretum (link to unofficial upload deleted - l'ange bleu moderator)



Reply #344 posted 11/12/19 10:58am

PURPLEIZED3121

Can we talk about Prince's sketching skills! Ahhh love that dude....bet he was such a good guy to be around when he was a young teen in fun mode!

Reply #345 posted 11/13/19 12:21pm

rogifan

#1 on The NY Times bestseller list. 💜

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Reply #346 posted 11/13/19 1:34pm

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Reply #347 posted 11/13/19 1:56pm

poppys

^^ Noice! heart

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Reply #348 posted 11/13/19 3:42pm

RJP1205

🙌 so happy his book is doing well!!
Reply #349 posted 11/14/19 2:15pm

42Kristen

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Reply #350 posted 11/14/19 5:21pm

violetcrush

His handwritten story of his early years is so touching...the drawings...the old photos and his own photo album...the original “Dreams” script - all make this a must-have. Not surprising it’s a top seller smile
Reply #351 posted 11/15/19 4:05am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #352 posted 11/18/19 5:41pm

Vanilli

does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?
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Reply #353 posted 11/18/19 6:21pm

PennyPurple

Vanilli said:

does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?

Didn't know it came with a bookmark.

Reply #354 posted 11/19/19 5:15am

player

Vanilli said:

does anyone know how to get a copy with the purple ribbon bookmark? Picked up my copy. It says first edition but it is missing the bookmark. What the heck?

Waterstones in the UK had a limited first run with purple pages and a purple bookmark. Last I checked the shelves were being replenished with the standard bookmark/white page version.

Reply #355 posted 11/19/19 5:30am

Kares

Has anyone else noticed (sorry if it's been discussed before) that photos of Owen were removed from the photo pages (in Part 2 of the book), most probably by Prince? At least in 3 cases Prince's own photo captions mention Owen where the photos are missing.
I wonder when did he remove the photos and why. Was it still about that case when Owen was still his manager and refused to run out and bring him a space heater or something? smile

.

[Edited 11/19/19 5:31am]

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Reply #356 posted 11/19/19 4:22pm

PeggyO

Kares said:

Has anyone else noticed (sorry if it's been discussed before) that photos of Owen were removed from the photo pages (in Part 2 of the book), most probably by Prince? At least in 3 cases Prince's own photo captions mention Owen where the photos are missing.
I wonder when did he remove the photos and why. Was it still about that case when Owen was still his manager and refused to run out and bring him a space heater or something? smile

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[Edited 11/19/19 5:31am]

I may be wrong, but I think he may have heard that Owen did not really believe in him.

[Edited 11/19/19 16:22pm]

Reply #357 posted 11/19/19 5:01pm

Hamad

Prince have always pushed Owen out of the narrative (i.e. that Larry King interview from Rave era). It was a shitty thing to do & I don’t think Owen didn’t believe in him, he sacrificed a lot for him which negates that claim. However, I don’t think Owen would’ve taken him further on his career, he managed Jesse Johnson at one point in time and that didn’t really secure Jesse the career he deserved. I think the whole space heater was just a passive aggressive reaction from Prince.
[Edited 11/19/19 17:01pm]
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Reply #358 posted 11/19/19 5:51pm

violetcrush

Hamad said:

Prince have always pushed Owen out of the narrative (i.e. that Larry King interview from Rave era). It was a shitty thing to do & I don’t think Owen didn’t believe in him, he sacrificed a lot for him which negates that claim. However, I don’t think Owen would’ve taken him further on his career, he managed Jesse Johnson at one point in time and that didn’t really secure Jesse the career he deserved. I think the whole space heater was just a passive aggressive reaction from Prince.
[Edited 11/19/19 17:01pm]


Prince wanted Owen to be his Manager, Personal Assistant and Errand Boy. Owen wasn’t going to do that. Once Prince made the big bucks he was able to have all three of those and more. I believe Owen also later went after him for more money based on the contract they signed, so no doubt that caused a conflict with Prince.
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I agree it’s a shame that Prince dissed him during the LK interview. Owen was a key factor in his getting the demo done and the record deal.
Reply #359 posted 11/20/19 3:11am

BartVanHemelen

Touré has an article in the New York Times where he "reviews" several music bios. Interestingly, the article isn't available at the NYT site anymore, but it is still available in the Wayback Machine: https://web.archive.org/w...-john.html

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Excerpts:

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Prince also describes violence in his home in THE BEAUTIFUL ONES (Spiegel & Grau, $30). “The sound of Ur parents fighting is chilling when U’re a child. If it happens 2 become physical, it can b soul-crushing. One night I remember hearing them arguing & it got physical. At some point my mother crashed in2 my bedroom and grabbed me. She was crying but managed a smile & said, ‘Tell Ur father 2 b nice 2 me.’” They divorced when he was 7.

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[...]

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In ON TIME (Da Capo, $27), written with David Ritz, Morris Day admits that he was a stoner, saying, “Weed provided a filter that mellowed me out while intensifying the music.” He also notes that Prince was sober: “He didn’t need that extra creative boost. … He could get to that higher plateau without stimulants. … I also think Prince feared drugs. … Prince needed control at all times. He didn’t want his vision clouded or his mind altered.”

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Prince’s is by far the most eagerly anticipated of this crop of books. When news broke that he was writing his autobiography, there was an audible gasp from the culture: Finally! But, tragically, Prince died shortly after starting the process, so we see his reflections on his preteens and little else; Dan Piepenbring continued the project and writes about the experience in his introduction. It’s typical of Prince that this book gives us a glimpse of the real artist — but only a glimpse. [...]

.

Prince’s book is so short, I read it in about 20 minutes. If he were not such a massive star, the publishing house surely would’ve rejected the manuscript for being far too small to do anything with. Instead, they filled the book with archival photos and handwritten pages, but it’s all too pithy for anyone but superfans to care about.

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Fortunately, Morris Day’s memoir arrives in the same month as his old friend’s. Day grew up a few blocks from Prince and played drums in his first band, Grand Central. The two remained close for decades. Day’s book has him in conversation with Prince’s ghost, arguing about how to tell the story, and gives us details about Prince that he never got to tell his memoirist. [...] Day has a front-row seat for the life of one of the greatest musicians of all time and his book is a worshipful telling of what Prince’s rise looked like from his vantage.

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Reply #360 posted 11/22/19 7:28am

BartVanHemelen

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Reply #361 posted 11/22/19 7:29am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.thetimes.co.u...-2ztl5fncb

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You get a dream gig (co-writing Prince’s official memoir) before facing the ultimate nightmare (Prince dies before you have a chance to write it). Consequently this is more a scrapbook of the mercurial superstar’s life than an actual biography, with the single chapter Prince did manage to finish bulked up by photographs, handwritten lyrics and the treatment for Prince’s film Purple Rain. The result is a hodge-podge, but one that will please hardcore fans of the Purple One.

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Reply #362 posted 11/22/19 7:37am

BartVanHemelen

https://www.latimes.com/e...nis-joplin

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Inevitably,The Beautiful Ones is shaped by a powerful absence. The book was overseen by Paris Review editor Dan Piepenbring, who was in his late 20s when Prince chose him to collaborate on what he envisioned as “the biggest music book of all time.” The project was still in progress when the singer died in 2016 at age 57.

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As a result, only 20 pages of Prince’s story exist here in a blend of colorful remembrances of growing up in Minneapolis and the performer’s complicated relationship with his parents. In an illuminating, heartfelt introduction, Piepenbring describes other ideas discussed with the famously idiosyncratic artist, including Prince’s views on funk, black self-sufficiency and, tantalizingly, an unshared anecdote about a near collaboration with Michael Jackson. “There’s going to be some bombshells,” Prince teased at one point. “I hope people are ready.”

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The rest of “The Beautiful Ones” is a sprawling collection of photos and ephemera recovered from Prince’s estate, along with his original treatment for “Purple Rain,” all of which will count as essentials for his biggest fans. The book resembles more a “piece of tour merchandise” that Prince said he wanted to avoid than the category-defying barn burner he surely imagined. Another goal, however, was to build upon his already burgeoning mystery. On that front, the book feels like a success. (Spiegel & Grau, $30)

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Reply #363 posted 11/22/19 8:17am

poppys

Personally, I'm finished with reading dumbass reviews. It is what it is. Piepenbring envy abounds. "Journalists" coming out of the woodwork with nothing new to add except for the need to pile on the scrum. Like it or don't like it. bored bored bored

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Reply #364 posted 11/22/19 9:52am

Empress

poppys said:

Personally, I'm finished with reading dumbass reviews. It is what it is. Piepenburg envy abounds. "Journalists" coming out of the woodwork with nothing new to add except for the need to pile on the scrum. Like it or don't like it. bored bored bored

I have not read any reviews other than a few comments from orgers. I read the book, loved it, wishes there was more, but.......................cry

Reply #365 posted 11/22/19 11:31am

poppys

Empress said:

poppys said:

Personally, I'm finished with reading dumbass reviews. It is what it is. Piepenbring envy abounds. "Journalists" coming out of the woodwork with nothing new to add except for the need to pile on the scrum. Like it or don't like it. bored bored bored


I have not read any reviews other than a few comments from orgers. I read the book, loved it, wishes there was more, but.......................cry


Exactly Empress. And yet Prince is still being dumped on for his choice of writers (and the book not being finished, lol) - like it's a cool thing to do.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #366 posted 11/22/19 7:36pm

violetcrush

I love the way Piepenbring laid out the book. He did the best he could with what he had. I think Prince would agree as well.
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It definitely confirms that he really was mostly a sweet, and often nostalgic guy who loved both of his parents despite the childhood complications.
Reply #367 posted 11/22/19 7:45pm

poppys

violetcrush said:

I love the way Piepenbring laid out the book. He did the best he could with what he had. I think Prince would agree as well.
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It definitely confirms that he really was mostly a sweet, and often nostalgic guy who loved both of his parents despite the childhood complications.

Agree with you crush.

politics: the art or science of government.
Reply #368 posted 11/22/19 7:52pm

violetcrush

poppys said:

 



violetcrush said:


I love the way Piepenbring laid out the book. He did the best he could with what he had. I think Prince would agree as well.
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It definitely confirms that he really was mostly a sweet, and often nostalgic guy who loved both of his parents despite the childhood complications.


Agree with you crush.


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Reply #369 posted 11/26/19 5:55am

violetcrush

Some Prince love on the Today Show this morning - they were profiling the importance of buying from small businesses, and when they were talking to a woman who owns the only book store in Brooklyn the camera panned across her sample book display with a close-up of The Beautiful Ones. Then, they talked to a woman who opened a small record store, and the camera panned across her record display where Purple Rain was front and center.
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Nice!! biggrin
Reply #370 posted 11/28/19 1:28pm

FrankieCoco1

Saw the book in Asda today for only £13. Wasn’t the purple paged version but still quite impressive to see on display in a routine kinda store at a decent price. Now hoping they will have 1999 super deluxe at a similar reduced rate.
Reply #371 posted 11/29/19 12:04pm

Roby78

Finally he has arrived excited

I immerse myself in reading reading

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Reply #372 posted 12/01/19 4:33pm

mrwiggles

I'm trying to read it and it is fascinating. But I have to admit, these first 20 some odd pages of his cursive is giving me fits , lol.

Looks like once I get past this first part it will get a little more legible. Don't get me wrong, I think his penmanship is beautiful. But some of it is hard to see the way its printed here. Plus my eyes ain't what they used to be. But it is some fascinating insiight into his mind.

Reply #373 posted 12/01/19 9:01pm

SBartist

mrwiggles said:

I'm trying to read it and it is fascinating. But I have to admit, these first 20 some odd pages of his cursive is giving me fits , lol.

Looks like once I get past this first part it will get a little more legible. Don't get me wrong, I think his penmanship is beautiful. But some of it is hard to see the way its printed here. Plus my eyes ain't what they used to be. But it is some fascinating insiight into his mind.

They have transcribed his handwriting, they are in the pages following Prince's handwritten pages.

Reply #374 posted 12/02/19 1:27pm

mrwiggles

SBartist said:

mrwiggles said:

I'm trying to read it and it is fascinating. But I have to admit, these first 20 some odd pages of his cursive is giving me fits , lol.

Looks like once I get past this first part it will get a little more legible. Don't get me wrong, I think his penmanship is beautiful. But some of it is hard to see the way its printed here. Plus my eyes ain't what they used to be. But it is some fascinating insiight into his mind.

They have transcribed his handwriting, they are in the pages following Prince's handwritten pages.

Oh Gawd, you mean to tell me? Lawd ha'mercy I am getting old.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply #375 posted 12/03/19 8:35am

BartVanHemelen

From the January 2020 issue of UK music monthly Q Magazine:

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BOOKS

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Rupert Howe picks the best music books of the month.

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When Prince was discussing ideas for a mould-breaking memoir with co-writer Dan Piepenbring, he remarked that it should be “a handbook for the brilliant community”. That vision was only sketched out before his death in 2016, but The Beautiful Ones (CENTURY, ★★★★) remains a jewel-like fragment, Piepenbring’s sensitive introduction providing a snapshot of the PurpleOne’s last months at Paisley Park and during the Piano &A Microphone tour. Prince’s own contribution is fragmentary by comparison: 20-odd pages of florid, handwritten notes about his childhood, plus reproductions of a late-’70s photo album, lyric sheets and an early outline for the movie version of PurpleRain. By turns enlightening and frustrating, like Prince’s own life it’s hard not to feel there was much more to come.

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Reply #376 posted 12/05/19 7:37am

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