Urine said:

I was digging the track a Rootie Kazootie from Versace. I read it was from an Unreleased album from 1993. I have seen the CD for sale on ebay, but not cheap. Is the album any good. Is Rootie like the best song on It?

Don't buy the CD - it's a bootleg.

Madhouse 24 was never released.

I purchased Madhouse 24 from Tidal (and was chastised for it from many on here 'Why pay for it when you can get it for free?'). It cost me all of $9.99. I like it.

It's not about buying something you can get for free.

It's that you purchased a bootleg and the money won't go where it should. Essentially you're buying stolen property.

It's no different than if I walked into Paisley Park, happened to spot a secret cupboard with a CD in it with a bunch of unreleased songs on it, stole it, and then sold it to you for $10 outside the gate.

That's wrong, because it's not mine to sell.

Downloading leaked bootlegs is a moral debate, but at least people who didn't have anything to do with the music aren't profiting from it in that case.

If you're desperate to hear Madhouse 24 (and by the way, there are two completely different albums both called Madhouse 24, neither of which were released) then either petition the Estate to release it and be patient, or find a download somewhere on the internet. Tons of it is on YouTube these days. Gets pulled down, then someone else sticks it right back up - like an endless game of whack a mole.

kingricefan said:

I purchased Madhouse 24 from Tidal (and was chastised for it from many on here 'Why pay for it when you can get it for free?'). It cost me all of $9.99. I like it.

Wait, how did you buy Madhouse 24 from Tidal when it has never been released? Does Tidal sell bootlegs?

Well, I assumed (and yes I know what that means) that since Tidal had an agreement with Prince before he passed that it would be a legit purchase with some $ going to the Estate. Guess I was wrong about that? As far as I'm concerned downloading anything for free, be it either a bootleg or just having a friend offer you a movie or album, etc. is stealing because you're not giving any compensation to the creators/owners of said product. It's just my opinion.

Militant said:

It's not about buying something you can get for free.

It's that you purchased a bootleg and the money won't go where it should. Essentially you're buying stolen property.

It's no different than if I walked into Paisley Park, happened to spot a secret cupboard with a CD in it with a bunch of unreleased songs on it, stole it, and then sold it to you for $10 outside the gate.

That's wrong, because it's not mine to sell.

Downloading leaked bootlegs is a moral debate, but at least people who didn't have anything to do with the music aren't profiting from it in that case.

If you're desperate to hear Madhouse 24 (and by the way, there are two completely different albums both called Madhouse 24, neither of which were released) then either petition the Estate to release it and be patient, or find a download somewhere on the internet. Tons of it is on YouTube these days. Gets pulled down, then someone else sticks it right back up - like an endless game of whack a mole.

Interesting still, the song Madhouse 17 that's on 1-800-New-Funk is not the same song as what's on the Madhouse 24 album.

Find it online, enjoy it, and hope it gets released (in either variation, or as a combined set).

I prefer the original configuration, not the later one that sounds like D&P//Carmen Electra outtakes.

Militant said:

It's not about buying something you can get for free.

It's that you purchased a bootleg and the money won't go where it should. Essentially you're buying stolen property.

It's no different than if I walked into Paisley Park, happened to spot a secret cupboard with a CD in it with a bunch of unreleased songs on it, stole it, and then sold it to you for $10 outside the gate.

That's wrong, because it's not mine to sell.

Downloading leaked bootlegs is a moral debate, but at least people who didn't have anything to do with the music aren't profiting from it in that case.

If you're desperate to hear Madhouse 24 (and by the way, there are two completely different albums both called Madhouse 24, neither of which were released) then either petition the Estate to release it and be patient, or find a download somewhere on the internet. Tons of it is on YouTube these days. Gets pulled down, then someone else sticks it right back up - like an endless game of whack a mole.

I was first exposed to the world of bootleg Prince songs in the late '80s when I was in college. I met a guy who had a huge collection (on cassette tape). I just assumed he'd let me make copies. After all, if I had a bunch of bootleg songs I would have been thrilled to share them with other Prince fans. Music is meant to be enjoyed.

So I was absolutely shocked when this guy told me that he'd only let me make copies if I would pay or if had my own bootlegs to trade with him. He arged that letting me have them for free would devalue them.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing? Their value was in listening to them individually as a community with other Prince fans. If they had a monetary or materialistic value, that should go to Prince exclusively. Who was this jerk to try to profit off Prince's work?

He assumed I was bitter because I couldn't hear his songs. He didn't appreciate that I was legitmately morally outraged by his beliefe that he should personally profit off the bootlegs.

Back in the day I had a bootleg copy of The Black Album and was happily making cassette copies to hand out to my friends who were Prince fans for free. All they needed to do was supply the tape and I would record it.

lurker316 said:

Militant said:

It's not about buying something you can get for free.

It's that you purchased a bootleg and the money won't go where it should. Essentially you're buying stolen property.

It's no different than if I walked into Paisley Park, happened to spot a secret cupboard with a CD in it with a bunch of unreleased songs on it, stole it, and then sold it to you for $10 outside the gate.

That's wrong, because it's not mine to sell.

Downloading leaked bootlegs is a moral debate, but at least people who didn't have anything to do with the music aren't profiting from it in that case.

If you're desperate to hear Madhouse 24 (and by the way, there are two completely different albums both called Madhouse 24, neither of which were released) then either petition the Estate to release it and be patient, or find a download somewhere on the internet. Tons of it is on YouTube these days. Gets pulled down, then someone else sticks it right back up - like an endless game of whack a mole.

I was first exposed to the world of bootleg Prince songs in the late '80s when I was in college. I met a guy who had a huge collection (on cassette tape). I just assumed he'd let me make copies. After all, if I had a bunch of bootleg songs I would have been thrilled to share them with other Prince fans. Music is meant to be enjoyed.

So I was absolutely shocked when this guy told me that he'd only let me make copies if I would pay or if had my own bootlegs to trade with him. He arged that letting me have them for free would devalue them.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing? Their value was in listening to them individually as a community with other Prince fans. If they had a monetary or materialistic value, that should go to Prince exclusively. Who was this jerk to try to profit off Prince's work?

He assumed I was bitter because I couldn't hear his songs. He didn't appreciate that I was legitmately morally outraged by his beliefe that he should personally profit off the bootlegs.

Militant said:

If you're desperate to hear Madhouse 24 (and by the way, there are two completely different albums both called Madhouse 24, neither of which were released) then either petition the Estate to release it and be patient, or find a download somewhere on the internet. Tons of it is on YouTube these days. Gets pulled down, then someone else sticks it right back up - like an endless game of whack a mole.

but...wasn't the first 24 eventually released, at least in part, on Eric Leeds' Times Squared album? So for the OP, there is a way to hear some of the first 24 album. As far as the 2nd, it's out there a bit, but to pay for a bootleg is so 1994. I bought bootlegs back then. And the last time I probably bought a bootleg, maybe, was in 1997 in downtown Minneapolis at a Disk-Go-Round.

Urine said:

I was digging the track a Rootie Kazootie from Versace. I read it was from an Unreleased album from 1993. I have seen the CD for sale on ebay, but not cheap. Is the album any good. Is Rootie like the best song on It?

I LOVE the NPG version of it...love it. Judging by the released track, 17, it was pretty well recorded too.

LoveGalore said:

kingricefan said:

I purchased Madhouse 24 from Tidal (and was chastised for it from many on here 'Why pay for it when you can get it for free?'). It cost me all of $9.99. I like it.

Wait, how did you buy Madhouse 24 from Tidal when it has never been released? Does Tidal sell bootlegs?

why isnt the estate suing them?

jfenster said:

LoveGalore said:

Wait, how did you buy Madhouse 24 from Tidal when it has never been released? Does Tidal sell bootlegs?

why isnt the estate suing them?

I am pretty sure he's mistaken.

Madhouse 24 is not released. If you see it on TIDAL or elsewhere, that is a bootleg.

The exact same thing happened with Vanity 6 album. And I've seen other bootlegs on TIDAL too.

The Estate DID sue Tidal, and they reached an agreement. Not sure if the bootlegs are still there, but if they are, someone should let the Estate and their team know.

Here's the issue - it's completely trivial to put records on streaming services these days. Sign up for DistroKid, or TuneCore, pay them a small fee, upload the files in WAV, and check the box that says "I am the copyright owner of this music". Then it gets submitted, and stuff like Vanity 6 and Madhouse that doesn't have Prince's name on it, the submissions people aren't going to bat an eyelid, they'd just assume you're telling the truth because they've never heard of it and they've got thousands of submissions to review every day.

I started a radio show recently in LA, and over the last couple of weeks we decided we'd like to get it onto Spotify as a podcast. The submission process took 10 minutes and within a couple of days, all the episodes we'd uploaded were available.

I could theoretically name one of the episodes "Dream Factory", upload an hour long file of just the album, start to finish, and it'd be on Spotify/Apple Podcasts within 24 hours.

The submission process for music is just as simple.

And frankly, unless the bootlegger who uploaded it has made a ton of money on it (unlikely) it's not worth the cost of a lawsuit. So they'll reach out to TIDAL or whoeever when they notice it, get it pulled, and then someone else will try a similar thing with another album the following week, until somebody notices. Rinse and repeat.

Madhouse 24 is available on iTunes

vitality said:

Madhouse 24 is available on iTunes

It's not in US iTunes. In which country are you seeing it?

I saw both of Madhouse 8 & 16 on iTunes (the US version) I think somewhere early last year, it was taken down shortly later. The label at the bottom sounded dodgy and the quaity where left to be desired, I'm glad I didn't buy them.

sexton said:

vitality said:

Madhouse 24 is available on iTunes

It's not in US iTunes. In which country are you seeing it?

It's in my iTunes playlist.. purchased it in October of 2017 on US iTunes.. but you're right, they must of taken it down : (

Militant said:

Don't buy the CD - it's a bootleg.

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Yes, Let's wait for the Estate to wake up and get their act in order...

I think the 24 from 88/89 was a cooler record - it sounds like the logical follow up to 16 and maintained the funk-jazz recipe of the project. Penetration, R U Legal Yet & the full Dopamine Rush are great tracks. The 24 from '93 is a bit tame & muzacy for me - very well performed though by Prince & The NPG.

kingricefan said:

As far as I'm concerned downloading anything for free, be it either a bootleg or just having a friend offer you a movie or album, etc. is stealing because you're not giving any compensation to the creators/owners of said product. It's just my opinion.

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And your opinion would be wrong. It's ok to feel it is wrong, it simply isn't stealing. That word has a few specific meanings, and not paying royalties is not one of them.

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Stealing is wrong, sharing is caring.

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Besides, if you buy any Prince song now, you are not getting any money to the creator. I feel that paying for Prince music now that he is dead is wrong. That's my opinion. I still do, mostly though. I'm a law abiding citizen and all that.

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All those people that say "infringement is theft", do they ever drive over the speed limit?

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Apologies for being off-topic.

mediumdry said:

Besides, if you buy any Prince song now, you are not getting any money to the creator.

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True, but it isn't just Prince who provides this music now. What about other band members who perform on the records? The Revolution, Eric Leeds, The NPG etc. What about the sound engineers? What about the people who are handling and storing the master tapes? What about the people doing the digital transfers? What about the people doing remastering where applicable. What about the art departments and the cost of packaging.

VaultCurator said:

mediumdry said:

Besides, if you buy any Prince song now, you are not getting any money to the creator.

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True, but it isn't just Prince who provides this music now. What about other band members who perform on the records? The Revolution, Eric Leeds, The NPG etc. What about the sound engineers? What about the people who are handling and storing the master tapes? What about the people doing the digital transfers? What about the people doing remastering where applicable. What about the art departments and the cost of packaging.

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Wow.. they all get paid based on sales? Or did they get paid for the service they performed once and then it's done?

mediumdry said:

VaultCurator said:

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True, but it isn't just Prince who provides this music now. What about other band members who perform on the records? The Revolution, Eric Leeds, The NPG etc. What about the sound engineers? What about the people who are handling and storing the master tapes? What about the people doing the digital transfers? What about the people doing remastering where applicable. What about the art departments and the cost of packaging.

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Wow.. they all get paid based on sales? Or did they get paid for the service they performed once and then it's done?

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Where do you think the money for that service comes from?