benni said:

If you're referring to your take on the AOA album, I see nothing wrong with what you posted.

wildgoldenhoney said:

Ugh... My conscience is bothering me for writing what i wrote. I would've been in big trouble if somebody saw what I wrote.. but, ah the good old days I would even take that if I could.

kingricefan said:

Most of Prince's songs were very telling if you pay attention to the lyrics and his play on words. What was not always telling was who may have inspired a particular song during the time it was recorded. However, it has been stated by most of his associates and pepple personally involved with him that he recorded based on what was happening in his life at that moment.

Purple Music 365 Prince Songs In A Year https://diffuser.fm/princ...ple-music/

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TheTruth123 said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

LoveGalore said:

wildgoldenhoney said:

Nope. If I'm not mistaken, Mayte said that the song wasn't about their relationship (even though she is the one he got the idea for the song from.) It probably perfectly described what he was trying to say about Denice.

Yeah, it sounds totally plausible that he'd take a break from their marriage falling apart to get an idea for a song from her about s girlfriend he broke up with 16 years prior.

At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

Why people gotta interpret as deep or mystical interpretations. Maybe it was just obvious, everyday occurrences that he was writing about

Not necessarily deep or mystical, but he definitely mainly wrote about his experiences, especially with regard to relationships with others. Some songs were obvious and/or simple; others were more cryptic and came from a more intimate place.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

At his last P&M show in Atlanta he sang the song, and he sang "I remember meeting you here back in the good old days.... and then he said "the 80's" So, at least during that performance, he was referencing a woman whom he loved in the 80's. The song also mentions a ring he gave to her. I was not aware of Prince giving Denise an engagement ring when they dated. I'm only aware of one woman being given a ring during a relationship with him in the 80's.

Sheila E?

No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

No, he did not give Sheila E an engagement ring in the 80's.

She begs to differ in her Larry King interview.

Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Really?? Any details about the ring? Pictures? The story that I have read is that he mouthed "marry me" on stage during one of the SOTT concerts, but nothing beyond that specific detail.

She said she had a ring and everything. Larry asks where the ring is and she kinda waves it off and says, "I let go of that." Whatever that means.

Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

Just watched it again. Larry asked, "was there a ring?" and Sheila responded with a very quick "yeah, but I let all that go". So, it seems a bit of a diversion and a reluctance to answer that specific question.

I mean she diverts everything about that and why she left but she clearly says she had a ring.

In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.

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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

In another interview, I believe it was with Questlove, she stated she left the band after LoveSexy, because he was dating other women, and "the hang" was no longer the same - meaning it wasn't just the band hanging out together. She also did mention that his music was going in another direction.

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It's just interesting, because there has been a ton of detail about his engagement in 1985, including media coverage from back then, and recent detail about the ring and proposal as well.

She only ever mentioned any of this after he died so I can't really tell what I take as truth or not. But tying it back to I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore, that song has always been associated with Mayte. The timing, the reasons for how they split, the details in the song itself. Even if he offhandedly mentioned the 80s in the concert, I don't really know or think I would believe he's writing about Susannah there. After all, Susannah left him because of his philandering. Not the other way around. Of course, he was also cheating on Mayte, Denise, Sheila, and everyone else so who knows. Maybe it's about nobody.

True - there was always infidelity in every relationship, however, it was a double-standard for Prince. His cheating was okay, BUT, his girlfriend/fiance/wife's cheating was unacceptable. Even though the women left because of philandering it does not mean that Prince didn't think that they had cheated at one point or another during the relationship. Prince and Susannah were off and on many times while they were dating. Vanity flirted with and flaunted other men in front of Prince to try to make him jealous. I would imagine Susannah may have done that as well - but maybe in a more subtle way.

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Mayte is on record stating Prince nor she ever had that conversation or dynamic from the song prior to the divorce. However, there was a rumor of her fooling around with some dancer while she was living in Spain - and who could really blame her, as we then learned that Prince was pursuing Manuela in MN during that time - so, the song could have been connected to their relationship, but Mayte did not want to admit any infidelity on her end.

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This is why these songs are so interesting, even though Prince would state that he never looked back and did not think about the past, he often wrote songs that did exactly that. He was often reflective in his songs. People think that RU2TJF album was a break-up album, but if you really look at the lyrics to most of the songs it does not appear to have been Prince lamenting over the divorce.

Something struck me in one of his earlier interviews; paraphrasing..." I can say almost say anything when I am singing it". It was as if he was able to slip into a different 'state of consciousness' which included a brave, raw, intimate lyrics. I've noticed in several instances after singing a powerful or intimate song, he seems a bit embarrased by what he just sang.

violetcrush said:

LoveGalore said:

violetcrush said:

True - there was always infidelity in every relationship, however, it was a double-standard for Prince. His cheating was okay, BUT, his girlfriend/fiance/wife's cheating was unacceptable. Even though the women left because of philandering it does not mean that Prince didn't think that they had cheated at one point or another during the relationship. Prince and Susannah were off and on many times while they were dating. Vanity flirted with and flaunted other men in front of Prince to try to make him jealous. I would imagine Susannah may have done that as well - but maybe in a more subtle way.

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Mayte is on record stating Prince nor she ever had that conversation or dynamic from the song prior to the divorce. However, there was a rumor of her fooling around with some dancer while she was living in Spain - and who could really blame her, as we then learned that Prince was pursuing Manuela in MN during that time - so, the song could have been connected to their relationship, but Mayte did not want to admit any infidelity on her end.

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This is why these songs are so interesting, even though Prince would state that he never looked back and did not think about the past, he often wrote songs that did exactly that. He was often reflective in his songs. People think that RU2TJF album was a break-up album, but if you really look at the lyrics to most of the songs it does not appear to have been Prince lamenting over the divorce.

Very good insight and I do agree. Rave is a weird album because it can be taken differently depending on what angle you look at it. Lamenting? No I suppose not, it actually seems more hostile than that, tbh. Man O War, ILUBIDYUA, Silly Game, even Strange But True and Tangerine all sound very dismissive and almost rude. Wherever U Go is also one that could be seen as a dismissal if you imagine he's talking to the woman he was married to and lost two kids with. And then following it up with Rainbow Children which flat out states the last lover and some others were banished from PP and One Nite Alone which almost certainly references the divorce... Kind of makes you wonder how bad their falling out really was.

Yes, seems he had quite a bit of anger and spite toward her which is interesting if you look at the chain of events that led to their divorce. His spite may have come from her refusing to follow him into the JW world.

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Strange But True and Tangerine seem to be reflecting on a former lover/relationship. He first recorded those in 1998 - before they separated. So yes, including those songs was a bit mean considering the timing of the album. Have A Heart - on the ONA Live record - is another one that seems to connect with their split, and is quite mean.

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said:

violetcrush said:

mELdOURADOsELVAGEM said: