ChocolateBox3121 said:

The "Come" album version that Prince(r.i.p.) debut at one of the many times I attended his club Glam Slam, with Carmen Elecktra as part of the dance troupe 'Glam Slam Ulysses', was far superior than what he eventually released. It seems he deliberately sabotaged the album. But still was quite impressive otherwise.

[Edited 8/5/19 13:15pm]

I don't think he deliberately sabotaged the album. I think he had just moved on by the time it was released. Most of the tracks had been recorded in early to mid 1993, but the album was not released until August 1994. He originally wanted the 3 Disc set The Dawn but WB would not allow it. Seems this refusal was the "straw that broke the Camel's back" with Prince and WB.

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The "Come" album version that Prince(r.i.p.) debut at one of the many times I attended his club Glam Slam, with Carmen Elecktra as part of the dance troupe 'Glam Slam Ulysses', was far superior than what he eventually released. It seems he deliberately sabotaged the album. But still was quite impressive otherwise.

[Edited 8/5/19 13:15pm]

I don't think he deliberately sabotaged the album. I think he had just moved on by the time it was released. Most of the tracks had been recorded in early to mid 1993, but the album was not released until August 1994. He originally wanted the 3 Disc set The Dawn but WB would not allow it. Seems this refusal was the "straw that broke the Camel's back" with Prince and WB.

It's still so hard to believe ALL this music came from ONE PERSON! Prince(r.i.p.) was the most prolific artist that ever lived on "PLANET EARTH"...

^^^ I agree

TrivialPursuit said:

because it's not that good that's why... a couple good songs and that's about it. You are less than 3 years out of the D&P album, 2 years away from love symbol album and this is what he gives? This album killed him commercially and he never recovered.

He done fucked up, he should of continued making better quality of music, fulfilled his contract it, he still would of had a broader fanbase and he could of done under the symbol...such a waste.

macaylasdad said:

because it's not that good that's why... a couple good songs and that's about it. You are less than 3 years out of the D&P album, 2 years away from love symbol album and this is what he gives? This album killed him commercially and he never recovered.

He done fucked up, he should of continued making better quality of music, fulfilled his contract it, he still would of had a broader fanbase and he could of done under the symbol...such a waste.

I've noted before but since we're on topic, I did a remix configuration called Come Again. I replaced the Poem segues with new ocean sounds. I slightly altered the artwork for it, too. I used a program created for DJs to create mixes. It's very useful when re-seguing ocean sounds or editing pieces of songs together (like in the title track and "Loose!").

1. Come (alternate version #1 mixed with album version)
2. Space (Universal Love Radio mix w/o rap)
3. Pheromone (album version)
4. Loose! (from Versace & Other Experiences mixed with elements from album version)
5. Papa (album version)
6. Race (from Versace & Other Experiences)
7. Dark (from Crystal Ball)
8. Solo (album version)
9. Letitgo (Caviar Radio Edit)
10. Orgasm (altered with new ocean segue)

The whole thing clocks only 4 seconds shorter than the original. I love this configuration as much as the original.

[Edited 8/11/19 13:04pm]

Well, let's see:

Great: Pheromone, LetItGo

Good: Space, Come

OK: Dark, Race, Loose

Poop: Papa, Orgasm, Solo

Sounds like your basic Prince album post TGE to be honest. This was sort of a pattern with him for a good, long while.

Also, there's a depressing lack of guitar work (or any other real instrumental prowess) on display here. No bass, drums, keys, axe or piano jumps out at you at all. There's 2 totaly straight up, self indulgent, experimental throwaway tracks and an almost total lack of overall energy, grind or "punch" to most of these songs. Nothing "pops" much or has that weird extra layer of creativity that Prince was so good at. Headphones don't reveal much of anything buried, subtle or hidden that our man could almost always be counted on to deliver - which is REALLY odd.

The songwriting, aside from Pheromone and Let It Go is rather subdued and, dare I say it, almost lazy. Nothing jumps out or feels visceral and exciting - worthy of an immediate second listen. "Dark" is another by the numbers ballad we've all heard 100 times. It's fine but uttery rote by this point in his career and given his catalog. Find me more than one or two solid hooks, stand out solos, memorable melodies, catchy choruses, stellar musicianship or even some clever production.

At this stage of the game I'm prepared to say that the album is actually somewhat overrated, especially within the community.

I think NPS is better. It's at least more fun and offers us "Wasted Kisses" and "Come On", which are better and more memorable than anything here.

herb4 said:

The songwriting, aside from Pheromone and Let It Go is rather subdued and, dare I say it, almost lazy. Nothing jumps out or feels visceral and exciting - worthy of an immediate second listen.
I think NPS is better. It's at least more fun and offers us "Wasted Kisses" and "Come On", which are better and more memorable than anything here.

To compare "Come On" to anything on Come seems just on the other side of insanity. And lazy songwriting?

This alone is worth the cost of admission:


Like a splendid, open-ended, celibate friend pretending
Not 2 know it when I blow it in your eyes
Like a strawberry, chocolate, fender jazz, mashed potato fuzztone
All over your thighs, oh baby
That's the only come I know when I'm deep inside that... yeah!
That's the only time, the only time U go
"Ooh baby, U're so good" {x2}
Aw, shut up!
This is just so U
Come

Introspective tracks like "Papa", and "Solo" are exactly what we love about Prince; when he gets personal. "Letitgo" falls right in that slot, too. "Race" is almost expected since it's Prince being socially conscious about the world around him (which started as far back as "Uptown", "Partyup", and "Annie Christian"). Sexual romps like "Pheromone", "Come", and "Loose!" are par for the course in Prince sexuality. It's Prince goth, and it's a black and white gem that stands up to Parade's versatility and variety.

herb4 said:

Well, let's see:

Great: Pheromone, LetItGo

Good: Space, Come

OK: Dark, Race, Loose

Poop: Papa, Orgasm, Solo

Sounds like your basic Prince album post TGE to be honest. This was sort of a pattern with him for a good, long while.

Also, there's a depressing lack of guitar work (or any other real instrumental prowess) on display here. No bass, drums, keys, axe or piano jumps out at you at all. There's 2 totaly straight up, self indulgent, experimental throwaway tracks and an almost total lack of overall energy, grind or "punch" to most of these songs. Nothing "pops" much or has that weird extra layer of creativity that Prince was so good at. Headphones don't reveal much of anything buried, subtle or hidden that our man could almost always be counted on to deliver - which is REALLY odd.

The songwriting, aside from Pheromone and Let It Go is rather subdued and, dare I say it, almost lazy. Nothing jumps out or feels visceral and exciting - worthy of an immediate second listen. "Dark" is another by the numbers ballad we've all heard 100 times. It's fine but uttery rote by this point in his career and given his catalog. Find me more than one or two solid hooks, stand out solos, memorable melodies, catchy choruses, stellar musicianship or even some clever production.

At this stage of the game I'm prepared to say that the album is actually somewhat overrated, especially within the community.

I think NPS is better. It's at least more fun and offers us "Wasted Kisses" and "Come On", which are better and more memorable than anything here.

See, this is why musical interpretation is so subjective.....while I do love Wasted Kissses (mainly for the dark and foreboding lyrical content), I would pick any song on Come over the song Come On - talk about lazy lyrics! "what you need is some real lovin' instead of these young as fools, I got the butter for your muffin, just need the keys to the room..." BLAAAAGGHHH. Very surprised you would pick that song over songs like Dark or Space

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I think the Come album is a great representation of the mood and mindset Prince was in at the time he recorded the songs. He's telling a story of sex, love lost, and loneliness with Race and Papa included which are in keeping with the somber mood of the album.

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I do think that if you're in the mood for an upbeat record that is heavy on guitar and drums this would not be the go-to choice. However, if you are in a more serious and/or melancholy mood this one will do the trick

TrivialPursuit said:

herb4 said:

The songwriting, aside from Pheromone and Let It Go is rather subdued and, dare I say it, almost lazy. Nothing jumps out or feels visceral and exciting - worthy of an immediate second listen.
I think NPS is better. It's at least more fun and offers us "Wasted Kisses" and "Come On", which are better and more memorable than anything here.

To compare "Come On" to anything on Come seems just on the other side of insanity. And lazy songwriting?

This alone is worth the cost of admission:


Like a splendid, open-ended, celibate friend pretending
Not 2 know it when I blow it in your eyes
Like a strawberry, chocolate, fender jazz, mashed potato fuzztone
All over your thighs, oh baby
That's the only come I know when I'm deep inside that... yeah!
That's the only time, the only time U go
"Ooh baby, U're so good" {x2}
Aw, shut up!
This is just so U
Come

Introspective tracks like "Papa", and "Solo" are exactly what we love about Prince; when he gets personal. "Letitgo" falls right in that slot, too. "Race" is almost expected since it's Prince being socially conscious about the world around him (which started as far back as "Uptown", "Partyup", and "Annie Christian"). Sexual romps like "Pheromone", "Come", and "Loose!" are par for the course in Prince sexuality. It's Prince goth, and it's a black and white gem that stands up to Parade's versatility and variety.

TrivialP, we must have been posting at the same time!! See my post above

herb4 said:

Well, let's see:

Great: Pheromone, LetItGo

Good: Space, Come

OK: Dark, Race, Loose

Poop: Papa, Orgasm, Solo

Sounds like your basic Prince album post TGE to be honest. This was sort of a pattern with him for a good, long while.

Also, there's a depressing lack of guitar work (or any other real instrumental prowess) on display here. No bass, drums, keys, axe or piano jumps out at you at all. There's 2 totaly straight up, self indulgent, experimental throwaway tracks and an almost total lack of overall energy, grind or "punch" to most of these songs. Nothing "pops" much or has that weird extra layer of creativity that Prince was so good at. Headphones don't reveal much of anything buried, subtle or hidden that our man could almost always be counted on to deliver - which is REALLY odd.

The songwriting, aside from Pheromone and Let It Go is rather subdued and, dare I say it, almost lazy. Nothing jumps out or feels visceral and exciting - worthy of an immediate second listen. "Dark" is another by the numbers ballad we've all heard 100 times. It's fine but uttery rote by this point in his career and given his catalog. Find me more than one or two solid hooks, stand out solos, memorable melodies, catchy choruses, stellar musicianship or even some clever production.

At this stage of the game I'm prepared to say that the album is actually somewhat overrated, especially within the community.

I agree with your review.The album just seems....lazy....this is the type of album that Prince could do in his sleep.I like a few tracks ("Space" and "Letitgo") but this album is not nearly as interesting and amazing as what came before it (Love Symbol) and what came after (TGE).

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[Edited 8/11/19 17:45pm]

violetcrush said:

See, this is why musical interpretation is so subjective.....while I do love Wasted Kissses (mainly for the dark and foreboding lyrical content), I would pick any song on Come over the song Come On - talk about lazy lyrics! "what you need is some real lovin' instead of these young as fools, I got the butter for your muffin, just need the keys to the room..." BLAAAAGGHHH. Very surprised you would pick that song over songs like Dark or Space

*

I think the Come album is a great representation of the mood and mindset Prince was in at the time he recorded the songs. He's telling a story of sex, love lost, and loneliness with Race and Papa included which are in keeping with the somber mood of the album.

*

I do think that if you're in the mood for an upbeat record that is heavy on guitar and drums this would not be the go-to choice. However, if you are in a more serious and/or melancholy mood this one will do the trick

Just as a note, "Wasted Kisses" is the best thing on NewPowerSoul. "Come On"'s lyrics are some of the more embarrassing stuff he's ever said in a song. I get that NPG records are more street and nuanced with an urban vibe and syntax, but that's just stupid shit.

I do believe that the mood of COME is what throws folks. Prince's records all have a theme to them or certain musical ideas. COME does too, it's just a darker gothic vibe. In some ways, it's very 90s. We wanted an acoustic record or piano record from Prince for years, and when we got it, they were 50/50 on the feedback. Was anyone wishing for a goth-inspired dance record? No, but we got it anyway, and it's fucking brilliant. COME, and The Gold Experience are siblings as much as they are the antithesis of each other. One is darker, full of shadows; one feels brighter, crisp. They're each other's relief.

They're both brilliant.

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

The "Come" album version that Prince(r.i.p.) debut at one of the many times I attended his club Glam Slam, with Carmen Elecktra as part of the dance troupe 'Glam Slam Ulysses', was far superior than what he eventually released. It seems he deliberately sabotaged the album. But still was quite impressive otherwise.

[Edited 8/5/19 13:15pm]

I don't think he deliberately sabotaged the album. I think he had just moved on by the time it was released. Most of the tracks had been recorded in early to mid 1993, but the album was not released until August 1994. He originally wanted the 3 Disc set The Dawn but WB would not allow it. Seems this refusal was the "straw that broke the Camel's back" with Prince and WB.

Whatever the case 'Come' sold over half a million copies. So obviously somebody liked it. The numbers speak for itself.

I think the record's first five song stretch is up there with many of his other masterpieces. "Come," to "Space," to "Pheromone," in particular, go so hard. I think "Race," is a misstep, especially considering the songs he was leaving on the table. "Orgasm," is fine. It's a segue that's allowed its own track and, while memorable, feels like Prince indulging his worst impulses, a cynical dig at both listener and record label.

Still, this is one of his most cohesive sounding albums of the 90s and I think its production has stood the test of time in a much less cringe-y fashion in comparison to Gold or Emancipation.

The songs he could have put on this record are astounding, though. Any of "Peach," "Pope," "TMBGITW," "What's My Name?" "Strays of the World," "Endorphinmachine," and "Dolphin," in place of "Race," or "Orgasm," might have lifted this album substantially in the eyes of critics or fans. As it is, it's a testament to Prince's peak that he was able to cobble together an Eff You album and still have it sound as fresh and interesting as most of this record does.

What COME has done, was capture the 90's sound element of the time yet when you play it today it still sounds fresh and somewhat modern and not outdated.

Put The Gold Experience on, yes there are some great songs, great musicianship, but the production sounds so dated and corny when you play it today. It was overproduced that album, and it takes away from the essence of musicanship. TGE is an outdated album that DOES NOT hold up well anymore, maybe for the time it did, 5 years after it did, but now, it sounds severly dated.

I love most of this album:

Come - awesome

Space - awesome

Pheromone - so so

LetItGo - awesome

Dark - fucking awesome

Race - beat doesn't do it for me

Loose - love it(turn around, turn around again...)

Papa - super duper fucking awesome blues funk turned into psychedelica at the end...lyrics are killer!

Orgasm - didn't need to be on the album at all

Solo - I think he says, My Name is...no more. doesn't thrill me, don't hate it...curiouso of a track.

williamb610 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

I don't think he deliberately sabotaged the album. I think he had just moved on by the time it was released. Most of the tracks had been recorded in early to mid 1993, but the album was not released until August 1994. He originally wanted the 3 Disc set The Dawn but WB would not allow it. Seems this refusal was the "straw that broke the Camel's back" with Prince and WB.

Whatever the case 'Come' sold over half a million copies. So obviously somebody liked it. The numbers speak for itself.

Uh, but in that era of music purchasing, did people really know they liked it until they purchased it? Or did you buy an album to find out if you liked it?

I also can't remember the return policy as it relates to listener preferences at the time.

[Edited 8/15/19 16:48pm]

dewmass said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Whatever the case 'Come' sold over half a million copies. So obviously somebody liked it. The numbers speak for itself.

Uh, but in that era of music purchasing, did people really know they liked it until they purchased it? Or did you buy an album to find out if you liked it?

I also can't remember the return policy as it relates to listener preferences at the time.

[Edited 8/15/19 16:48pm]

I already heard the majority of the songs at Glam Slam. So when I bought the album I still was quite entralled by them. Even though the versions were different. It's still in regular rotation in my Chocolate Muziq Box.

williamb610 said:

I love most of this album:

Come - awesome

Space - awesome

Pheromone - so so

LetItGo - awesome

Dark - fucking awesome

Race - beat doesn't do it for me

Loose - love it(turn around, turn around again...)

Papa - super duper fucking awesome blues funk turned into psychedelica at the end...lyrics are killer!

Orgasm - didn't need to be on the album at all

Solo - I think he says, My Name is...no more. doesn't thrill me, don't hate it...curiouso of a track.

No, but we all know the reason it's there, which was actually typical Prince in helping a friend.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"but that tracklist for the musical is beyond incredible."

U should have heard it in a club, with a slamming sound system, with a dance troupe, led by Carmen Electra dancing to them. It was an experience i'll never forget.

"BTW...”Dark” is a Top 20 Prince song...truly underrated.

Yes it is! That haunting organ chord played by Morris Hayes led by Prince's(r.i.p.) top of the line lead & background vocals made it another classic Prince(r.i.p.) ballad.

macaylasdad said:

feeluupp said:

What COME has done, was capture the 90's sound element of the time yet when you play it today it still sounds fresh and somewhat modern and not outdated.

Put The Gold Experience on, yes there are some great songs, great musicianship, but the production sounds so dated and corny when you play it today. It was overproduced that album, and it takes away from the essence of musicanship. TGE is an outdated album that DOES NOT hold up well anymore, maybe for the time it did, 5 years after it did, but now, it sounds severly dated.

While I do agree that TGE has some moments that are overproduced,it's still a stronger,more vibrant album than Come.I think it still holds up quite well."Eye Hate U" is a freakin' masterpiece!

SoulAlive said:

feeluupp said:

What COME has done, was capture the 90's sound element of the time yet when you play it today it still sounds fresh and somewhat modern and not outdated.

Put The Gold Experience on, yes there are some great songs, great musicianship, but the production sounds so dated and corny when you play it today. It was overproduced that album, and it takes away from the essence of musicanship. TGE is an outdated album that DOES NOT hold up well anymore, maybe for the time it did, 5 years after it did, but now, it sounds severly dated.

While I do agree that TGE has some moments that are overproduced,it's still a stronger,more vibrant album than Come.I think it still holds up quite well."Eye Hate U" is a freakin' masterpiece!

I think what you classify as "vibrant" is what some of us are referring to when we use words like "cheese" or "corny." Very "80s" for 1995, I'm familiar with very little 90s music that sounds "vibrant" like it.

That being said, yes, I do agree, "Eye Hate You" as a composition is probably better than the entirety of Come... but Come is still a better album (and better sounding album) than TGE.

[Edited 8/16/19 16:54pm]

TrivialPursuit said:

williamb610 said:

I love most of this album:

Come - awesome

Space - awesome

Pheromone - so so

LetItGo - awesome

Dark - fucking awesome

Race - beat doesn't do it for me

Loose - love it(turn around, turn around again...)

Papa - super duper fucking awesome blues funk turned into psychedelica at the end...lyrics are killer!

Orgasm - didn't need to be on the album at all

Solo - I think he says, My Name is...no more. doesn't thrill me, don't hate it...curiouso of a track.

No, but we all know the reason it's there, which was actually typical Prince in helping a friend.

You're talking about the fact that it sounds like Prince is helping some girl have an Orgasm? Is that what you mean by helping a friend?

Do tell...