How long have you been into Prince? Come isnt under appreciated by Prince fans at all. I love it.

antonb said:

How long have you been into Prince? Come isnt under appreciated by Prince fans at all. I love it.

to be fair, the album has been shit on, many many many times here on the org.

for years and years, whenever you'd mention 'come' there would be a lot of folk
doing their whole "it was a contractual obligation, even prince didn't care for it,
it was throwaway tracks".

it got so tiring that people didn't even discuss the album anymore.

the tide seems to have turned a bit since about 5 or 6 years, since a lot of new
org members don't seem to remember the whole 'contractual obligation' thing,
or simply don't care and allow the music to speak for itself.

Come was always under appreciated here on the Org... The Gold Experience was always over rated here imo... I remember when I first joined way back in 2002, how I would always see so many people here preaising TGE... I finally purchased TGE online and yes some of the songs were excellent, but was so underwhelmed with the album as a whole.

Come is so much more of a focused sound, I personally prefer Come of TGE.

I hear it's because of the texture.

herb4 said:

I hear it's because of the texture.

Don't blame Vanity

I have heard this question so many times, no offence.

The "Come" album version that Prince(r.i.p.) debut at one of the many times I attended his club Glam Slam, with Carmen Elecktra as part of the dance troupe 'Glam Slam Ulysses', was far superior than what he eventually released. It seems he deliberately sabotaged the album. But still was quite impressive otherwise.

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For me, its a case of the parts being greater than the sum.

It has a couple of my favourite tracks on, but I never feft the final version sequenced well as an album. It's clear that the earlier incarnations were superior but Prince slowly syphoned off the killer tracks and Come was left without any hit single potential.

Couple that with fact that many Gold Experience tracks were circulating and being actively promoted by Prince, it always left Come as a bit of an 'also ran'.

Genesia said:

feeluupp said:

Come was always under appreciated here on the Org... The Gold Experience was always over rated here imo... I remember when I first joined way back in 2002, how I would always see so many people here preaising TGE... I finally purchased TGE online and yes some of the songs were excellent, but was so underwhelmed with the album as a whole.

Come is so much more of a focused sound, I personally prefer Come of TGE.

I prefer TGE.It's a stronger set of songs,imo.

Gunsnhalen said:

I’ve been really into the Come album this year and for some reason always skipped it in his discography. This seems to be a record that fans and critics overlook for prince as it’s between the b-sides and the gold experience. First off Letitgo is an amazing single! That song makes me feel so good and badass whenever I put on at the gym I know it was a top 40 hit but most people don’t remember it getting any airplay. Papa and Race are two is his best social commentary songs (don’t abuse your children or they will turn out like me) And loose is funky as hell with a near heavy metal guitar solo. The whole album is solid but is still widely Overlooked by fans and critics.

Yeah, this Album has some very good jams!

because theys stuck on his 80's output

Not one of his best. Could had been more added to it.

mikeyaddict said:

Because it gets everywhere.

Not if you swallow it.

feeluupp said:

Come was always under appreciated here on the Org... The Gold Experience was always over rated here imo... I remember when I first joined way back in 2002, how I would always see so many people here preaising TGE... I finally purchased TGE online and yes some of the songs were excellent, but was so underwhelmed with the album as a whole.

Come is so much more of a focused sound, I personally prefer Come of TGE.

I loved TGE like the org majority all throughout my teenage years, when I went back and tried to listen a year or two ago I couldn't even get through the thing. It's one continuous cheeseball of a production sound, Prince going full 80s glam in the middle of the 90s, those synths are brutal with the all digital recording process.

When people wax nostalgiac about "earlier configurations" we didn't even get to hear, I couldn't be more aghast at the thought of those TGE candy-coated pep-rockers like "Endorphinemachine" sullying the dark night vibe of Come.

I think it's a rock/guitar thing, actually. I was more rock-centric growing up and that TGE guitar used to just hit the spot. Now when I'm just comparing sound by sound on an even playing field it's no question.

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I never liked the album much and still dont. Orgasm and Solo kills it completely.
Otherwise I love Letitgo and can appreciate Come and Space - if i dont hear those too often.

The released version of the song Come, along with Solo and Orgasm are just ghastly.

I really think folks unconsciously bought into the idea on this album that it was a throwaway album. We all know Prince talks smack, and that is exactly what he was doing back then. He simply does not release music that he feels is sub par (to him).

At the time he was deep in his dispute, had slave on his face, changed his name to a symbol, killed Prince, was not getting anywhere near the lions share for the COME album, and was literally competing against his own album. So yes, naturally he wanted to disassoiate himself from that album and the music because he wanted his new stuff, TGE, under his new name, to be what people focused on. This in no way however diminishes the quality of the music on COME. It is actually one of the most consistent sounding albums I think he as ever released, next to the Symbol album.

So his rhetoric, combined with the media rhetoric using words like 'throwaway', 'contractual obligation', etc, leads one to believe he just threw a dart at some vault music and tossed it on an album to fulfill a contract, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I have a strong feeling that many, not all, but many of the folks that dislike COME, got caiught up in the verbal and printed nonsense that took place from Prince, Warner, and the media, and projected that onto the album itself without ever really giving it a chance.

I speculate that if COME was released during a time frame where there was no battle being fought, no name change, no slave on the face and nice colorful album art, that many of these same people that hate it would be talking about how amazing it is.

That whole timeframe was like a grand exercise in psychology, some people fell for it, some people did not, some let external factors do the thinking for them, some didn't. A very interesting period for Prince fans for sure.

To be clear, I never said ALL people, I do understand that some folks just don't like the album for reasons outside of what I am spaking to here.

peace

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leadline said:

I really think folks unconsciously bought into the idea on this album that it was a throwaway album. We all know Prince talks smack, and that is exactly what he was doing back then. He simply does not release music that he feels is sub par (to him).

At the time he was deep in his dispute, had slave on his face, changed his name to a symbol, killed Prince, was not getting anywhere near the lions share for the COME album, and was literally competing against his own album. So yes, naturally he wanted to disassoiate himself from that album and the music because he wanted his new stuff, TGE, under his new name, to be what people focused on. This in no way however diminishes the quality of the music on COME. It is actually one of the most consistent sounding albums I think he as ever released, next to the Symbol album.

So his rhetoric, combined with the media rhetoric using words like 'throwaway', 'contractual obligation', etc, leads one to believe he just threw a dart at some vault music and tossed it on an album to fulfill a contract, when nothing could be further from the truth.

I have a strong feeling that many, not all, but many of the folks that dislike COME, got caiught up in the verbal and printed nonsense that took place from Prince, Warner, and the media, and projected that onto the album itself without ever really giving it a chance.

I speculate that if COME was released during a time frame where there was no battle being fought, no name change, no slave on the face and nice colorful album art, that many of these same people that hate it would be talking about how amazing it is.

That whole timeframe was like a grand exercise in psychology, some people fell for it, some people did not, some let external factors do the thinking for them, some didn't. A very interesting period for Prince fans for sure.

To be clear, I never said ALL people, I do understand that some folks just don't like the album for reasons outside of what I am spaking to here.

peace

[Edited 8/8/19 2:37am]

I agree with ALL of this. Let me take it a step further: The majority of how an audience reacts to a Prince album (or any art) is how it is presented to them. Meaning, the masses will buy anything and they will even frame it how you want if said art is sold to the audience correctly.

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Purple Rain is (arguably) Prince's best album, but it (without a doubt) was, by far, his album/project that had the best marketing. The movie fed the album the album fed the movie MTV helped move the machine.

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Answer this: Is Musicology a better album that Parade? Is Batman a better album than Sign O' The Times? Is Diamonds and Pearls a better album that Lovesexy? We could argue this all day, but that fact is that D&P, Batman, and Musicology all received the strongest marketing strategies of Prince's career.

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Thus, people buy into the hype, they buy the album, Prince's face is on the cover of magazines, he is on talk shows, he is tied to blockbuster movies because he is playing the promotional games and "presenting" the albums in the best light possible.

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He didn't do this with Come. He didn't do this with Lovesexy, SOTT ,or Parade.* So, mass perception is based on salesmanship and marketing rather than actual artistic/musical quality.

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*As has been stated, Parade was tied to Under The Cherry Moon and it's commercial appeal nearly was strangled because of it. Thank god for "kiss."

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In some ways his strongest album of the 90's, it'd be one of the few I listen to without skipping any tracks. But it was 10 years after Purple Rain, most popstars have fallen pretty far a decade after a hit that big, especially a popstar who has never been away.

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sulls said:

The released version of the song Come, along with Solo and Orgasm are just ghastly.

"Solo" is one of the most hauntingly beautiful melodies he's ever come up with. The poem by Huang bleeds emotion and despair.

it's not!..in any way shape or form.

TrivialPursuit said:

sulls said:

The released version of the song Come, along with Solo and Orgasm are just ghastly.

"Solo" is one of the most hauntingly beautiful melodies he's ever come up with. The poem by Huang bleeds emotion and despair.

leadline said:

Because people bought into the idea that it was a throwaway album, much like Chaos & Disorder, when nothing could have been further from the truth. A testament to folks not wanting to think for themselves, and let others do the thinking for them. Seems to be a constant, but more prevalent now than ever before in history. Anyway, I digress a little bit, Come is an incredible album, and many folks missed out by dismissing it so fast.

[Edited 8/1/19 8:39am]

Yes. Wasn't this recently covered in the very informative and detailed thread by OF4S??? But, I guess there is always "joy in repetition"

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https://prince.org/msg/7/459467

robertgeorge said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"Solo" is one of the most hauntingly beautiful melodies he's ever come up with. The poem by Huang bleeds emotion and despair.

So low, the curb looks like a skyscraper
So high, the stars are under me
So quiet, I can hear the blood rushing through my veins
So low, I feel like I'm going insane
The angels, they watch in wonder
When you made love to me
Through the rain and the thunder
You cried in ecstasy

And you were so kind
I felt sorry for all creation
Because at the time, no one gas lucky
No 1 was lucky, no he was lucky as me

And now you're gone and I just want to be still
So silent, I'll just let my senses sleep

It's gonna be so hard to hear my voice
If I ever learn once more to speak

I'm so lost, no one can find me
And I've been looking for so long
But now I'm done
I'm so low, solo, my name is No One

A beautiful poem and Prince does justice to it with his vocal performance. Some people just are not ready for that kind of art. I agree with you.

My favorite on the album. I believe that Prince added some of his own words to the poem as well. Would be great to see Huang's original text as compared to the final lyrics.

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This also seems to be, with the last lyric, his cryptic plan to change his name to . So, the last few lines may have been his own.

violetcrush said:

robertgeorge said:

A beautiful poem and Prince does justice to it with his vocal performance. Some people just are not ready for that kind of art. I agree with you.

My favorite on the album. I believe that Prince added some of his own words to the poem as well. Would be great to see Huang's original text as compared to the final lyrics.

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This also seems to be, with the last lyric, his cryptic plan to change his name to . So, the last few lines may have been his own.

Seems likely because the "my name is No One" doesn't quite fit with the overall vernacular of the preceding prose. And I would like to see the original piece Huang wrote, just as a reference.

For Prince to sing acapella is something we'd not heard like that since "For You." The only sidenote would be the backward bit after "Darling Nikki." And his voice was so on point and pure in "Solo." Just beautiful.

TrivialPursuit said:

violetcrush said:

My favorite on the album. I believe that Prince added some of his own words to the poem as well. Would be great to see Huang's original text as compared to the final lyrics.

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This also seems to be, with the last lyric, his cryptic plan to change his name to . So, the last few lines may have been his own.

Seems likely because the "my name is No One" doesn't quite fit with the overall vernacular of the preceding prose. And I would like to see the original piece Huang wrote, just as a reference.

For Prince to sing acapella is something we'd not heard like that since "For You." The only sidenote would be the backward bit after "Darling Nikki." And his voice was so on point and pure in "Solo." Just beautiful.