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No, it is that you said "fans realize it was an act" it wasn't an act But it was. He did it to be edgy and create controversy. | |
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He was problably just as homophobic as the general contemporary straight person is. He didn't hate or think anything particularly bad about LGBT people, but also didn't go out of his way to be an advocate for LGBT rights or something. He worked with people who were LGBT his whole career and there's a good chunk of his fans who are (including me), and I'd say he thought of it as like "whatever". [Edited 7/9/19 13:16pm] | |
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Yup, and like i mentioned, that kind of talk doesn't go too deep. Still, I don't think it helps anyone struggling with those issues. But most of us do or have done it, i do. | |
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I am pretty phobic when it comes to straight people, the way they dress, the way they smell, the way they tread each other, especially straight men. That's why I will introduce a tax for every heterosexual person in my country once I'll be elected chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany. Think about how many of them will act super gay-friendly from then on. I will also be looking forward to having the Trumps over for a state visit then (or better not, as that would mean that he'll be re-elected next year) and arrange for a kiss-in right in front of their faces. I would be super pleased if Mike Pence would come along. And Pat Robertson, and Putin, and Le Pen and the king of Saudi Arabia. A massive PA would then play:
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
Was it a boy when U wanted a girl? (Boy when u wanted a girl) Don't U know straight hair ain't got no curl (No curl) Life it ain't real funky Unless it's got that pop Dig it
Pop life Everybody needs a thrill Pop life We all got a space 2 fill Pop life Everybody can't be on top But life it ain't real funky Unless it's got that pop Dig it | |
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- Well, you didn't listen to Bambi and Dinner with Dolores (or watched the video)... - "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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Aspects of it was taken to the next level. But that was Prince's character you were seeing. Prince dressed that way off stage and at home too throught his whole life. | |
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"You always get the dream that you deserve, from what you value the most" -Prince 2013 | |
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people can see that song as they want but i generally thought of it as prince's first foray into what he thought would shock people. the rest of the album is pretty tame which couldn't be said of the next album. | |
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Time keeps on slipping into the future...
This moment is all there is... | |
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I do not think Prince thought that of away. | |
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. Vicki from Sevenmag raised this topic in the mid-/late-1990s on the PPML, shortly after the notorious "too fabulous" post on Prince's official website. I recall that back then fans were also bending backwards in finding excuses. Too bad those back issues aren't available anymore... © Bart Van Hemelen
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[Off topic snip - luv4u] All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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How about whatever Prince's views were they were his views and he was entitled to them?
And I'm sure his views changed across the years. People are not static.
All this 'I hope he didn't think THIS because then I like him less' is just childish nonsense. | |
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How can you call it „childish nonsense“ if people felt somehow betrayed by Prince when he went on to adapt rather strict moral doctrine? Can you understand that he invited a whole bunch of freaks or castaways with his presentations, his lyrics, his clothing, his individualism from the late 70's until, let's say, right after Lovesexy? Imagine Trump suddenly appearing in heels and in his wife's dresses when he addresses the nation - what would his voters make of that? Prince used to be an alternative or an antidote to the times being. In his later years he seomtimes acted as being part of the so called moral majority. Sure, people are not static. But his shift from one extreme to the other was just that, extreme. | |
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It's 'childish nonsense' for anyone to feel 'betrayed' by a musician... as if it's his job to align perfectly with someone's beliefs... it's childish, in my opinion, to hand those kind of expectations on someone else... when we have expectations like that regarding another person, we are setting ourselves up to fail.
You can agree or disagree with someone's stance on something, of course, that's your choice, but there's no reason that anyone else should care about that. But the world has become so ridiculously polarised recently, that it seems that the moment someone disagrees with one aspect of a known celebrity's stance or viewpoint, they must disregard them and their entire career entirely.
That's the definition of childish, to me. | |
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I've got to challange that bollocks. Just because someone is straight doesn't mean they are a bigot.
Prince allowed the religious mumbo jumbo to dictate his opinions and some of them were pretty distasteful.
Just because he made good music doesn't mean some of his views were prejudiced, old fashioned and influenced by hateful religious teachings. [Edited 8/2/19 6:08am] Hamburger, Hot Dog, Root Beer, Pussy | |
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Delusion comes with the territory. | |
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Is not celebrating birthdays part of JW? I always thought that was a Prince personal belief. because Michelle Obama said on Questlove's podcast it was because he didnt celebrate bdays so they had to pick a day that worked for both of them. "You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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HUH?
Wasnt mean......... but was just concerned for Wendy's soul?
Women who were integral to your vision in your younger days, making them do sexually liberating acts in performance, knowing they were lesbians but still keeping them on...then when you find JW, you tell them they need to change who they have been for 20 plus years, in a press conference that you know is humiliating? That's not mean? He didnt hurt Wendy & Lisa by saying that?
There are several instances on this thread that state Prince wasnt stupid (the shock that would come with Jack u off is a good example). He knew what he meant when he said that.
"You know, this is funky but I wish he'd play like he used to, old scragglyhead son of a...*smack* OOH!"
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Prince was almost 60 when he passed - 50/60/70/80/90/even 00s were different times to now. He had different religions Different beliefs Different people to please A whole lifetime to devolve evolve and revolve He was always conflicted by sexuality and religion If he was homophobic it shouldnt matter because he is no longer here and the music is what we stay for. although it’s certainly not a good way to be,if he was it was his opinion and in the world we live in we are being slowly robbed of having our own opinions and free speech as everyone is offended all of the time. I don’t agree with it myself but there you go. I don’t like to think of anyone being homophonic it feels so backwards and sad. However, I will not be moved one way or another because other people’s opinions (that don’t cause harm) are not my business. For what it’s worth think he was just fine with gay people and instead tried to say things to fit in with his religion, which wasn’t. And if he was, he was. It’s a shame. | |
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I think as opposed to homophobic Prince was more loneaphobic - different woman in every city. Should imagine he’d love gay men - more women for him! Gay women? Even better! He seemed to like that too Not convinced he’d have liked this thread. | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
He was born into a time where it was much more common to be homophobic unfortunately. If he was it’s no one else’s business and he’s entitled to his opinion. In the world we live in it seems to be becoming illegal to seemingly have your own opinions regardless of whether they are right. Clearly, homophobic isn’t the way to be. I hope he wasn’t but if he was that doesn’t change a thing for me. It would be sad on a personal level and also because of contributions made by AMAZING gay people to his music I don’t think he was homophobic I think his religion made him say things to try and fit in Does that help | |
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There's a thread about UTCM which reminded me about the Liberace scene. Ive always wondered about the mere mention of Liberace. There was a purposeful reason and not just because he was gay yet at the same time not to shrink away because of it either. There was some respect there. I don't know what it means but is the a reaction of someone homophobic in their core? Time keeps on slipping into the future...
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Prince was entitled to his own opinion, like everyone else. Life Matters | |
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CherryMoon57 said: Prince was entitled to his own opinion, like everyone else. Did you just say “own OPINION”?? In 2019????? | |
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It's a good thing Prince lived and created when he did. The woke police would have doxxed and destroyed him if he was just getting started now. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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