djThunderfunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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LTWBD sticks out like a sore thumb because it doesn't fit with the rest sound-wise.

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And FYI Warners is releasing this set. Tidal simply got a two week streaming exclusive.

Wasn't it announced as a joint release?

I believe the CD will have WB & Tidal listed, probably NPG Records as well.

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"NPG Records, under exclusive licence to Warner Records Inc."

So the copyright holder is NPG, they just license the material to Warners for a certain time period.

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Kares said:

djThunderfunk said:

Wasn't it announced as a joint release?

I believe the CD will have WB & Tidal listed, probably NPG Records as well.

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"NPG Records, under exclusive licence to Warner Records Inc."

So the copyright holder is NPG, they just license the material to Warners for a certain time period.

[Edited 6/9/19 6:38am]

It won't say "Tidal" anywhere on the CD? Then I'm wrong.

antonb said:

just had a little look at the shop at Q magazine and its got 5 stars but the right up is the size of a postage stamp ! same in uncut magazine. Disappointing coverage.

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The review in Uncut is the average size for one, and his pisture is also on the next page (looks like a layout blunder that the review isn't next to the picture).

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I haven't yet seen the Q magazine review, but IIRC these days they're barely reviewing records (maybe two dozen a month?) so the fact that Originals has gotten a review is a major feat.

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UK music monthly Long Live Vinyl has a two-page review (well, one page is actually just a big photo of Prince), awards it 10 out of 10 and has awarded it its "Long Live Vinyl Choice" label (I haven't checked if this is awarded to only one release or multiple).

djThunderfunk said:

Loefie said:

EmmaMcG said: Or wait a month and buy a physical copy. That’s what I’m doing.

Or, download it illegally, then wait 2 weeks (not a month) and buy a physical copy. That's what I'm doing.

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I `ordered` (reserved) a copy already.

They'll will mail it when they get it...

djThunderfunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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LTWBD sticks out like a sore thumb because it doesn't fit with the rest sound-wise.

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And FYI Warners is releasing this set. Tidal simply got a two week streaming exclusive.

Wasn't it announced as a joint release?

I believe the CD will have WB & Tidal listed, probably NPG Records as well.

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The flacs say:

Copyright : 2019 NPG Records, Inc., under exclusive license to Warner Records Inc.

BartVanHemelen said:

FragileUndertow said:

TrivialPursuit said: I haven't compared them. But off the top of my head I thought it sounded familiar 👍👍

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This has been known for decades. http://www.princevault.co...haelangelo . Here's an org post from 2002: https://prince.org/msg/7/22508 and if you google it you'll get dozens of results.

[Snip - luv4u]

"Baby You're a Trip" is the standout as of this very second.

I've had this for years and years and years but not like this.

[Snip - luv4u]

donnyenglish said:

We all love bootlegs. Originals is the greatest bootleg ever released. It is for fans like us. I don’t love his versions of Gigolos or You’re my Love, but I do love that I finally got to hear them and they are perfect tracks for the release. We should be very careful about what we are asking for when we complain about the sound quality on tracks like Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me. The Estate is listening and we may only get finished and pristine vault material, which will mean we won’t get gems like that track. I suspect that there is a lot of stuff in the vault that is inferior sound quality that we would all die to hear. We all need to support the physical release or Originals. The more we support releases like this the more we will get. [Edited 6/9/19 10:21am]

If you want more posthumous mixes of unreleased music, go ahead.

TheSilentMikey said:

donnyenglish said:

We all love bootlegs. Originals is the greatest bootleg ever released. It is for fans like us. I don’t love his versions of Gigolos or You’re my Love, but I do love that I finally got to hear them and they are perfect tracks for the release. We should be very careful about what we are asking for when we complain about the sound quality on tracks like Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me. The Estate is listening and we may only get finished and pristine vault material, which will mean we won’t get gems like that track. I suspect that there is a lot of stuff in the vault that is inferior sound quality that we would all die to hear. We all need to support the physical release or Originals. The more we support releases like this the more we will get. [Edited 6/9/19 10:21am]

If you want more posthumous mixes of unreleased music, go ahead.

on the other hand if they do not sell well enought the may get sold to some 3rd party who will do all kinds of carp with them.

sro100 said:

"Baby You're a Trip" is the standout as of this very second.

I've had this for years and years and years but not like this.

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What are the differences?

donnyenglish said:

We all love bootlegs.

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Yes!

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Originals is the greatest bootleg ever released.

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No, but I see what you are trying to say here.

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The Estate is listening and we may only get finished and pristine vault material, which will mean we won’t get gems like that track.

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They can sell me cassette tape materials but then they have to explain in the liner notes that there was no other, better version in the Vault. Same when `reconstructing` songs.

This was lacking in the PR rerelease.

I do hope the booklet to Originals contains this info but I will hot hold my breath.

The Estate should have a look at the James Brown compilations like Make It Funky – The Big Payback: 1971-1975, Dead on the Heavy Funk: 1975-1983, Funky Good Time: The Anthology, etc. The 'James Brown team' did not hide when it came to technical issues and mention these.

udo said:

Okay I've had this on repeat now for days now.

Nothing like a "new" Prine abit!

udo said:

I'm not into the proteges like many other Prince fans are but I have my preferences. But this Originals album is KILLER (aside from the awful cover art).

I feel like Gigolos Get Lonely Too is a completely new song I've never heard before. Oh my Lord that song is so good. I can't wait to get this on CD.

sro100 said:

Milty2 said:

EmmaMcG said:

Loefie said:

Or wait a month and buy a physical copy. That’s what I’m doing.

I am also going to do that. I had to hear it first though to make sure it was worth buying.

So people will stop orgnoting and mailing:


I did, and am still doing, a comparison of my (fully logged and researched) versions and "Originals" and this is what I concluded for now, enjoy:

This list is not definite and take it FWIW... I'll probably update it when other versions are found so this is by no means a static end-all-be-all conclusion...

But to me this proves that Howe and all the others at Paisley Park are ignorant about his recordings and their bullshit claim of not ever releasing his unfinished material, which they just did... So they could easily just release "Black Is The New Black" as is, warts and all...

1. Sex Shooter - is faded out unnecessarily since the full on "Prince" guide version (which this version is) is just a couple of minutes longer and could have fit easily on the CD; vinyl on the other hand...
Probably why they faded it out, because of some shitty medium for dumb Millennial hipsters who don't even know anything about mastering and parrot the retarded "vinyl sounds warmer" mantra... MASTERING - MEDIUM...

2. Jungle Love - is, for now, the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this is seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

3. Manic Monday - "Frankenstein" hybrid of added background vocals recorded for the Apollonia 6 version, so this is an already "work-in-progress" unfinished version... They should have released the final full version with Prince's background vocals before he embarked on working on it for Apollonia 6...

4. Noon Rendezvous - The version on "Originals" seems to just be his piano and vocals take, so another "half" release of the song... His full version is the version of Sheila E. with this vocal and piano take and some bass lines removed from the Sheila E. version...

5. Make Up - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

6. 100 MPH - An edited mess, no clue why they (or maybe even Prince himself?) cut up this song other than that the tape was damaged... The full on version of this exact version is slightly longer with the full intro and would have fit easily on the CD...

7. You're My Love - This is an unnecessarily faded out version of the exact version that was sent to Clare Fisher; he recorded his orchestra and cheesed it up (IMO) and that version was sent to Kenny Rogers... So this is a faded out version of Prince's final version...

8. Holly Rock - This is a mess, too much to list...

9. Baby, You're A Trip - Jill Jones' backing vocal were recorded after Prince's final version (the version that is on bootlegs without Jill) which he considered for one of his own albums... So another "work-in-progress" unfinished version...

10. The Glamorous Life - Heavily edited from the full version and faded out unnecessarily...

11. Gigolo's Get Lonely Too - Faded out unnecessarily, which could have been an epic release if they let it go for the full 10+ minutes...

12. Love.. Thy Will B Done - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too is a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...
I think the guitar track was added after Martika did her takes...

13. Dear Michaelangelo - Another "work-in-progress" version... Prince's final full version has a synth playing Eddie M.'s sax lines...

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? - The (unecessarily) faded out 1981/1982 original (not counting his 1976 home studio recorded version...) now the CD would become filled over the rim, so an understandable fade out since it's the most uninteresting... I fully expected the 1987 Michael Jackson/Taja Seville version to be on this disk, not the 1981/1982 version...

15. Nothing Compares 2 U - Discussed ad nauseum, ask Databank for the details I provided him when the 7" dropped last year...

Neversin.

[Edited 6/10/19 3:27am]

I can't get enough of "Manic Monday". I love the way he sings it. It sounds so melancholy. I love this whole album. It was so surreal and overwhelming on my first listen to hear these songs I know so well from other artists to have Prince's vocals on them. I want more releases like this and less reissues.

Neversin said:

So people will stop orgnoting and mailing:


I did, and am still doing, a comparison of my (fully logged and researched) versions and "Originals" and this is what I concluded for now, enjoy:

This list is not definite and take it FWIW... I'll probably update it when other versions are found so this is by no means a static end-all-be-all conclusion...

But to me this proves that Howe and all the others at Paisley Park are ignorant about his recordings and their bullshit claim of not ever releasing his unfinished material, which they just did... So they could easily just release "Black Is The New Black" as is, warts and all...

1. Sex Shooter - is faded out unnecessarily since the full on "Prince" guide version (which this version is) is just a couple of minutes longer and could have fit easily on the CD; vinyl on the other hand...
Probably why they faded it out, because of some shitty medium for dumb Millennial hipsters who don't even know anything about mastering and parrot the retarded "vinyl sounds warmer" mantra... MASTERING - MEDIUM...

2. Jungle Love - is, for now, the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this is seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

3. Manic Monday - "Frankenstein" hybrid of added background vocals recorded for the Apollonia 6 version, so this is an already "work-in-progress" unfinished version... They should have released the final full version with Prince's background vocals before he embarked on working on it for Apollonia 6...

4. Noon Rendezvous - The version on "Originals" seems to just be his piano and vocals take, so another "half" release of the song... His full version is the version of Sheila E. with this vocal and piano take and some bass lines removed from the Sheila E. version...

5. Make Up - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

6. 100 MPH - An edited mess, no clue why they (or maybe even Prince himself?) cut up this song other than that the tape was damaged... The full on version of this exact version is slightly longer with the full intro and would have fit easily on the CD...

7. You're My Love - This is an unnecessarily faded out version of the exact version that was sent to Clare Fisher; he recorded his orchestra and cheesed it up (IMO) and that version was sent to Kenny Rogers... So this is a faded out version of Prince's final version...

8. Holly Rock - This is a mess, too much to list...

9. Baby, You're A Trip - Jill Jones' backing vocal were recorded after Prince's final version (the version that is on bootlegs without Jill) which he considered for one of his own albums... So another "work-in-progress" unfinished version...

10. The Glamorous Life - Heavily edited from the full version and faded out unnecessarily...

11. Gigolo's Get Lonely Too - Faded out unnecessarily, which could have been an epic release if they let it go for the full 10+ minutes...

12. Love.. Thy Will B Done - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too is a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...
I think the guitar track was added after Martika did her takes...

13. Dear Michaelangelo - Another "work-in-progress" version... Prince's final full version has a synth playing Eddie M.'s sax lines...

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? - The (unecessarily) faded out 1981/1982 original (not counting his 1976 home studio recorded version...) now the CD would become filled over the rim, so an understandable fade out since it's the most uninteresting... I fully expected the 1987 Michael Jackson/Taja Seville version to be on this disk, not the 1981/1982 version...

15. Nothing Compares 2 U - Discussed ad nauseum, ask Databank for the details I provided him when the 7" dropped last year...

Neversin.

[Edited 6/10/19 3:27am]

Thx for posting this

As promised I will do my own investigation with the known logs and ask other people I know in order to build a strong case and provide as much info as possible, but this already is unvaluable info

Neversin said:

11. Gigolo's Get Lonely Too - Faded out unnecessarily, which could have been an epic release if they let it go for the full 10+ minutes...

GODDAM.

Moonbeam said:

Thanks, Neversin! Would love to hear some of these versions you mention, particularly the 10+ minute “Gigolos Get Lonely Too”. Hopefully the Estate finds and releases these versions someday.

That belongs on a Hyper-Multi-Ultra-Super-Deluxe-Diamond-Guru-Master Ultimate boxset with "Vanity 6", "What Time Is It?" and "1999"... Which is the least that that era deserves...
The "Purple Rain" era is cute... 1981-1983 is the most epic era in the history of recorded music and it all came from just 1 guy... And then came 1984-1987...

Neversin.

databank said:

Neversin said:

So people will stop orgnoting and mailing:


I did, and am still doing, a comparison of my (fully logged and researched) versions and "Originals" and this is what I concluded for now, enjoy:

This list is not definite and take it FWIW... I'll probably update it when other versions are found so this is by no means a static end-all-be-all conclusion...

But to me this proves that Howe and all the others at Paisley Park are ignorant about his recordings and their bullshit claim of not ever releasing his unfinished material, which they just did... So they could easily just release "Black Is The New Black" as is, warts and all...

1. Sex Shooter - is faded out unnecessarily since the full on "Prince" guide version (which this version is) is just a couple of minutes longer and could have fit easily on the CD; vinyl on the other hand...
Probably why they faded it out, because of some shitty medium for dumb Millennial hipsters who don't even know anything about mastering and parrot the retarded "vinyl sounds warmer" mantra... MASTERING - MEDIUM...

2. Jungle Love - is, for now, the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this is seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

3. Manic Monday - "Frankenstein" hybrid of added background vocals recorded for the Apollonia 6 version, so this is an already "work-in-progress" unfinished version... They should have released the final full version with Prince's background vocals before he embarked on working on it for Apollonia 6...

4. Noon Rendezvous - The version on "Originals" seems to just be his piano and vocals take, so another "half" release of the song... His full version is the version of Sheila E. with this vocal and piano take and some bass lines removed from the Sheila E. version...

5. Make Up - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too seems to be a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...

6. 100 MPH - An edited mess, no clue why they (or maybe even Prince himself?) cut up this song other than that the tape was damaged... The full on version of this exact version is slightly longer with the full intro and would have fit easily on the CD...

7. You're My Love - This is an unnecessarily faded out version of the exact version that was sent to Clare Fisher; he recorded his orchestra and cheesed it up (IMO) and that version was sent to Kenny Rogers... So this is a faded out version of Prince's final version...

8. Holly Rock - This is a mess, too much to list...

9. Baby, You're A Trip - Jill Jones' backing vocal were recorded after Prince's final version (the version that is on bootlegs without Jill) which he considered for one of his own albums... So another "work-in-progress" unfinished version...

10. The Glamorous Life - Heavily edited from the full version and faded out unnecessarily...

11. Gigolo's Get Lonely Too - Faded out unnecessarily, which could have been an epic release if they let it go for the full 10+ minutes...

12. Love.. Thy Will B Done - is exactly the same that has been going around among archivers for decades, so this too is a proper example of Prince's final version of a song for use by other artists...
I think the guitar track was added after Martika did her takes...

13. Dear Michaelangelo - Another "work-in-progress" version... Prince's final full version has a synth playing Eddie M.'s sax lines...

14. Wouldn't You Love To Love Me? - The (unecessarily) faded out 1981/1982 original (not counting his 1976 home studio recorded version...) now the CD would become filled over the rim, so an understandable fade out since it's the most uninteresting... I fully expected the 1987 Michael Jackson/Taja Seville version to be on this disk, not the 1981/1982 version...

15. Nothing Compares 2 U - Discussed ad nauseum, ask Databank for the details I provided him when the 7" dropped last year...

Neversin.

[Edited 6/10/19 3:27am]

Thx for posting this

As promised I will do my own investigation with the known logs and ask other people I know in order to build a strong case and provide as much info as possible, but this already is unvaluable info

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Thanks, Neversin.
A few additional things though: there are speed-issues too (again), especially with 'Sex Shooter' and 'Wouldn't You Love To Love Me'. The former is below, the latter is above normal pitch, but some others aren't 100% spot on either.
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Also: just because some songs sound identical to the copies you or others had for ages, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are final versions as Prince would've released them on an album. They can still be incomplete, and can be raw mixes, and certainly many of the mixdown tapes in the vault were just raw mixes. Compare 'Make-Up' with the Vanity 6 version, for example, and it's clear the newly released version is lacking a ton of effects. 'Baby, You're A Trip' is also dry – don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE it and have already listened to it about 80x, but I don't think it is how P would've released it.
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So even the songs that were left more or less as is, it is questionable whether they truly reflect Prince's intentions.

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Thanks Kares, Neversin, Databank, and others for you invaluable information.

Kares said:

databank said:

Thx for posting this

As promised I will do my own investigation with the known logs and ask other people I know in order to build a strong case and provide as much info as possible, but this already is unvaluable info

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Thanks, Neversin.
A few additional things though: there are speed-issues too (again), especially with 'Sex Shooter' and 'Wouldn't You Love To Love Me'. The former is below, the latter is above normal pitch, but some others aren't 100% spot on either.
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Also: just because some songs sound identical to the copies you or others had for ages, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are final versions as Prince would've released them on an album. They can still be incomplete, and can be raw mixes, and certainly many of the mixdown tapes in the vault were just raw mixes. Compare 'Make-Up' with the Vanity 6 version, for example, and it's clear the newly released version is lacking a ton of effects. 'Baby, You're A Trip' is also dry – don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE it and have already listened to it about 80x, but I don't think it is how P would've released it.
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So even the songs that were left more or less as is, it is questionable whether they truly reflect Prince's intentions.

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I know, I worded it wrong...
Logs and past info claim that in the example of "Make Up" the SFX were added after he already worked on the track with Vanity 6...
Same with "Love... Thy Will B Done" Martika did her background vocals before Prince did the guitar parts... So, like I said, this is not an end-all-be-all conclusion, but in the case of these 2 songs I'm 99.9% certain that these are the final versions...

And regarding speed issues; this release also suffers, like "Purple Rain" Deluxe ("We Can Fuck" having the most glaring ones) from the occasional "Tape slip"...

Neversin.