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Reply #90 posted 06/18/19 10:34am

stillwaiting

TheFman said:

1 a year is ok if it's NEW music.

But this what we're getting isn't, it's like getting nothung at all. In those 3 years we got a song or 3, hardly anything.

1 a year is ok for someone who does not want to hear that much of the vault. Also they will not fill up that one disc a year. Don't put it past them to make a cd shorter than the 34 minute Piano and Microphone.

Those who want to haer all the music want multiple disc box sets that cover dozens of alternate versions/takes. Yes, there are some on here who are crazy positivity that will jump up and down for whatever the estate decides or Michael Howe decides. I'm not one. I want it all. If I win powerball, I'll buy it all. Of course winning powerball is more difficult than convincing Bart Van Halen that Prince made some great music after 1988...but if I do, the estate will likely be out of money, and whoever owns the vault by then will likely be bored with it.

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Reply #91 posted 06/18/19 11:43am

jfenster

stillwaiting said:

TheFman said:

1 a year is ok if it's NEW music.

But this what we're getting isn't, it's like getting nothung at all. In those 3 years we got a song or 3, hardly anything.

1 a year is ok for someone who does not want to hear that much of the vault. Also they will not fill up that one disc a year. Don't put it past them to make a cd shorter than the 34 minute Piano and Microphone.

Those who want to haer all the music want multiple disc box sets that cover dozens of alternate versions/takes. Yes, there are some on here who are crazy positivity that will jump up and down for whatever the estate decides or Michael Howe decides. I'm not one. I want it all. If I win powerball, I'll buy it all. Of course winning powerball is more difficult than convincing Bart Van Halen that Prince made some great music after 1988...but if I do, the estate will likely be out of money, and whoever owns the vault by then will likely be bored with it.

1 a year for unreleased songs

1 a year live tracks

1 a year rehearsal tracks

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Reply #92 posted 06/18/19 11:52am

stillwaiting

jfenster said:

stillwaiting said:

1 a year is ok for someone who does not want to hear that much of the vault. Also they will not fill up that one disc a year. Don't put it past them to make a cd shorter than the 34 minute Piano and Microphone.

Those who want to haer all the music want multiple disc box sets that cover dozens of alternate versions/takes. Yes, there are some on here who are crazy positivity that will jump up and down for whatever the estate decides or Michael Howe decides. I'm not one. I want it all. If I win powerball, I'll buy it all. Of course winning powerball is more difficult than convincing Bart Van Halen that Prince made some great music after 1988...but if I do, the estate will likely be out of money, and whoever owns the vault by then will likely be bored with it.

1 a year for unreleased songs

1 a year live tracks

1 a year rehearsal tracks

With all the music Prince has, it will take 75 years to even be close to getting all the good stuff. Why not just settle for 1 every 20 years?

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Reply #93 posted 06/18/19 1:28pm

jfenster

stillwaiting said:

jfenster said:

1 a year for unreleased songs

1 a year live tracks

1 a year rehearsal tracks

With all the music Prince has, it will take 75 years to even be close to getting all the good stuff. Why not just settle for 1 every 20 years?

1 CD not 1 track per year (total of 3)

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Reply #94 posted 06/18/19 2:26pm

stillwaiting

jfenster said:

stillwaiting said:

With all the music Prince has, it will take 75 years to even be close to getting all the good stuff. Why not just settle for 1 every 20 years?

1 CD not 1 track per year (total of 3)

It's ok. I want as much music as possible, you don't want it all. Some of us will be dead and gone in 10 years or less, so the longer they drag this out, the less I will get to hear. Some people worshiped Prince for making Crystal Ball Five Discs when it could have fit on 3, some worshiped him for having Hip Hop Legend Tony M rap about Manure on My Name Is Prince. I didn't. So what? We all have opinions.

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Reply #95 posted 06/18/19 2:31pm

jfenster

stillwaiting said:

jfenster said:

1 CD not 1 track per year (total of 3)

It's ok. I want as much music as possible, you don't want it all. Some of us will be dead and gone in 10 years or less, so the longer they drag this out, the less I will get to hear. Some people worshiped Prince for making Crystal Ball Five Discs when it could have fit on 3, some worshiped him for having Hip Hop Legend Tony M rap about Manure on My Name Is Prince. I didn't. So what? We all have opinions.

just open the vault and let anyone who pays a fee to access what THEY want..when they want it

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Reply #96 posted 06/18/19 2:37pm

stillwaiting

jfenster said:

stillwaiting said:

It's ok. I want as much music as possible, you don't want it all. Some of us will be dead and gone in 10 years or less, so the longer they drag this out, the less I will get to hear. Some people worshiped Prince for making Crystal Ball Five Discs when it could have fit on 3, some worshiped him for having Hip Hop Legend Tony M rap about Manure on My Name Is Prince. I didn't. So what? We all have opinions.

just open the vault and let anyone who pays a fee to access what THEY want..when they want it

Now, you're speaking my language.

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Reply #97 posted 06/21/19 3:54am

BartVanHemelen

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

all I can say is thank God for bootleggers! It will be virtually impossible to release ALL gigs - can you see them releasing ALL 21 nights + ALL aftershows for example? - all we need really is the opening night [how many encores again?!]+ final night + final night aftershow.

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How many bloody times do I need to post examples of bands who do EXACTLY THAT. Plenty of bands have released virtually entire tours on CD while those tours were ongoing.

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Make a limited set for the general public, and a complete box set for the hardcore fans.

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Look at https://burningshed.com/s...on-boxsets . Or https://www.rhino.com/pro...e-sessions .

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Why would similar releases be impossible for Prince?

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Reply #98 posted 06/21/19 5:10am

udo

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

can you see them releasing ALL 21 nights + ALL aftershows for example?

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Under which rock is your residence?

If you refer to the 2007 21 nights, then the Indicgo Chronicles comes pretty close when i t comes to 'aftershow' thing. See https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6665006 and elsewhere.

The main shows are less interesting but I must mention the 1000 Hugs and Kisses night as well as the New New Power Trio show at the Indigo.

Those shows were close to 12 years ago today.

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Reply #99 posted 06/21/19 6:05am

PURPLEIZED3121

BartVanHemelen said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

all I can say is thank God for bootleggers! It will be virtually impossible to release ALL gigs - can you see them releasing ALL 21 nights + ALL aftershows for example? - all we need really is the opening night [how many encores again?!]+ final night + final night aftershow.

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How many bloody times do I need to post examples of bands who do EXACTLY THAT. Plenty of bands have released virtually entire tours on CD while those tours were ongoing.

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Make a limited set for the general public, and a complete box set for the hardcore fans.

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Look at https://burningshed.com/s...on-boxsets . Or https://www.rhino.com/pro...e-sessions .

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Why would similar releases be impossible for Prince?

don't preach to the converted...preach to the estate! Yes to ALL 21 nights in LDN for us inc aftershows etc + much reduced highlights set for mass consumption.

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Reply #100 posted 06/21/19 6:07am

PURPLEIZED3121

udo said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

can you see them releasing ALL 21 nights + ALL aftershows for example?

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Under which rock is your residence?

If you refer to the 2007 21 nights, then the Indicgo Chronicles comes pretty close when i t comes to 'aftershow' thing. See https://www.discogs.com/P...se/6665006 and elsewhere.

The main shows are less interesting but I must mention the 1000 Hugs and Kisses night as well as the New New Power Trio show at the Indigo.

Those shows were close to 12 years ago today.

a purple rock my friend!

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Reply #101 posted 06/21/19 6:27am

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:


Why would similar releases be impossible for Prince?

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Because clueless.

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There is no musical heavyweight in there.

Not the types of LMM or CK and their failed deals and such.

I mean people that know the potential of the Vault and can explain it. And also can explain in what ways to release this music to maximize profits.

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If we look at what Rhino does then we know at what price points a market could exist for Prince Vault materials.

Then we need to see if the Michael 'expen$ive' Howe can even propare the audio for such a release within cost. (what rate does he bill to whoever is his boss?)

Next is some artwork, decent booklet (look at them b00tz) and off to the pressing plant.

Heck, even at home someone can do highres 24-bit audio processing quite easily.

So why does Michael make a fuss about it?

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Reply #102 posted 06/21/19 6:28am

udo

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

a purple rock my friend!

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BTW: that set is sold out.

If you like a repress let your dealer know.

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Reply #103 posted 06/22/19 10:58am

BartVanHemelen

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An example of the kind of release many fans deem impossible for Prince: http://www.superdeluxeedi...s-box-set/

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Yes, that is a 7 disc box set of all the expanded CD-singles of Mel & Kim, featuring 72(!) remastered tracks, some of them previously unreleased.

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Reply #104 posted 06/22/19 3:37pm

udo

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BartVanHemelen said:

Yes, that is a 7 disc box set of all the expanded CD-singles of Mel & Kim, featuring 72(!) remastered tracks, some of them previously unreleased.

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WTF, but yes, that is 'impossible' until Michael receives different instructions.

(and we don't even know the current instructions but we can guess...)

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Reply #105 posted 06/27/19 6:10am

BartVanHemelen

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New interview with Michael Howe (actually done some weeks ago at the Originals listening party in london) @ SuperDeluxeEdition: http://www.superdeluxeedi...ks-to-sde/

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Reply #106 posted 06/27/19 6:20am

love2thenines2
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BartVanHemelen said:

New interview with Michael Howe (actually done some weeks ago at the Originals listening party in london) @ SuperDeluxeEdition: http://www.superdeluxeedi...ks-to-sde/

The Best part IMO !

SDE: You know this already, but there’s a massive appetite for what you might call the classic Prince era of the 80s. All those albums like Sign ‘O’ The Times, Parade, Around The World In A Day etc. You know, big, expanded box set editions of those albums to come out, similar to the way Purple Rain did with live stuff, 12-inch mixes, outtakes, whatever… Is that kind of thing miles away or is it…

MH: No, it’s not miles away. I mean I can’t … this is a very dicey area for me but it’s not miles away. I think there will be, you know, a couple of them will probably emerge over the next year or two, is my guess. And one of them is pretty much done.

cool

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Reply #107 posted 06/27/19 7:32am

udo

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love2thenines2003 said:

And one of them is pretty much done.

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We'll see waht he meant.

If only his words are more honest and true than WB's: https://www.rollingstone....ms-191597/

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Reply #108 posted 06/30/19 3:24am

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There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

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Reply #109 posted 06/30/19 5:17am

udo

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Why can't he simply say:

We will do 1999 remastered

We will do Black is the new Black

We will do some vault hing (unknown songs)

etc.

What does the Estate lose by showing this info?

Can anyone please explain?

This NDA crap is quite ridiculous thus far.

How much competition is there in the Prince-realm?

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[Edited 6/30/19 5:18am]

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Reply #110 posted 06/30/19 9:53am

yello1

BartVanHemelen said:

There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

Click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474

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Reply #111 posted 06/30/19 10:58am

AvocadosMax

jfenster said:



stillwaiting said:




jfenster said:



1 CD not 1 track per year (total of 3)





It's ok. I want as much music as possible, you don't want it all. Some of us will be dead and gone in 10 years or less, so the longer they drag this out, the less I will get to hear. Some people worshiped Prince for making Crystal Ball Five Discs when it could have fit on 3, some worshiped him for having Hip Hop Legend Tony M rap about Manure on My Name Is Prince. I didn't. So what? We all have opinions.



just open the vault and let anyone who pays a fee to access what THEY want..when they want it


That’s sadly not gonna happen. They’re too blinded by the potential profit of CDs, cassettes and vinyl 25 years from now to do something that cool. They don’t care about us THAT much.
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Reply #112 posted 07/02/19 1:53pm

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AvocadosMax said:

jfenster said:



stillwaiting said:




jfenster said:



1 CD not 1 track per year (total of 3)





It's ok. I want as much music as possible, you don't want it all. Some of us will be dead and gone in 10 years or less, so the longer they drag this out, the less I will get to hear. Some people worshiped Prince for making Crystal Ball Five Discs when it could have fit on 3, some worshiped him for having Hip Hop Legend Tony M rap about Manure on My Name Is Prince. I didn't. So what? We all have opinions.



just open the vault and let anyone who pays a fee to access what THEY want..when they want it


That’s sadly not gonna happen. They’re too blinded by the potential profit of CDs, cassettes and vinyl 25 years from now to do something that cool. They don’t care about us THAT much.


It has nothing to do with solely profit. As if any artist would allow everything to be available just like that
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #113 posted 07/02/19 6:44pm

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yello1 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

There's a new interview with Michael Howe published @ https://www.heraldsun.com...893ef8083f (also reprinted here: https://thewest.com.au/en...893ef8083f ). However, both of those links are behind paywalls and are available only to subscribers.

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Would be nice if anybody could provide us with the text of that article.

Click here:

https://twitter.com/ArethaEttaJames/status/1145287018143977474


A few key quotes from Michael Howe from this interview:

"Howe has signed 'a tremendous amount' of nondisclosure agreements which means he can’t be specific about the amount of music in the vault or any particular items in the vault or any future plans beyond the family’s tentative plan of an album a year of unheard material."

It sounds like the pace of releases we have gotten thus far will continue. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I'm sure the family has their reasons.

"Fans are tipping 1982’s 1999 will be the next album to receive the reissue treatment, which Howe doesn’t confirm or deny.

'I know people are awaiting that. All I can say is that the ability to release vastly expanded bodies of work in a much more comprehensive way than Purple Rain is being contemplated certainly.'"

This sounds a bit promising. Subsequent deluxe editions may be souped up more than what was done with PR.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
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Reply #114 posted 07/02/19 8:14pm

WhisperingDand
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rdhull said:

AvocadosMax said:
That’s sadly not gonna happen. They’re too blinded by the potential profit of CDs, cassettes and vinyl 25 years from now to do something that cool. They don’t care about us THAT much.
It has nothing to do with solely profit. As if any artist would allow everything to be available just like that

I dunno, maybe no "previously unreleased music" type of mass availability paradigm exists, but the design of modern day streaming platforms appears to be just that--a massive dump of "everything" produced and released so people can binge watch or binge listen to complete projects or complete works on their own schedules.

This is why a Prince-only streaming platform would make most sense economically for both the fans and the suits. Companies love this streaming age because they're getting your $$$ on the regular, every month like clockwork, versus getting cash 1-2 times a year in quick, uncertain bursts. Di$ney is about to let loose their entire vault in the name of streaming, which they've been historically just as protective as Prince, "as if." Most people think modern WWE sucks but their profits are doing fantastic due directly to a network that dumps all their old vault content (with a goal of "everything") for their old lapsed fans to enjoy.

It's not that crazy of a notion in 2019 as it once was for companies to "allow everything" if the design is right. I mean right now I'm binging every Power Rangers for 10 bucks a month, as a kid my Mom spent like $20 a pop on single VHS with two episodes a tape. Market design changes.

[Edited 7/2/19 20:15pm]

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Reply #115 posted 07/02/19 9:10pm

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WhisperingDandelions said:

rdhull said:

AvocadosMax said: It has nothing to do with solely profit. As if any artist would allow everything to be available just like that

I dunno, maybe no "previously unreleased music" type of mass availability paradigm exists, but the design of modern day streaming platforms appears to be just that--a massive dump of "everything" produced and released so people can binge watch or binge listen to complete projects or complete works on their own schedules.

This is why a Prince-only streaming platform would make most sense economically for both the fans and the suits. Companies love this streaming age because they're getting your $$$ on the regular, every month like clockwork, versus getting cash 1-2 times a year in quick, uncertain bursts. Di$ney is about to let loose their entire vault in the name of streaming, which they've been historically just as protective as Prince, "as if." Most people think modern WWE sucks but their profits are doing fantastic due directly to a network that dumps all their old vault content (with a goal of "everything") for their old lapsed fans to enjoy.

It's not that crazy of a notion in 2019 as it once was for companies to "allow everything" if the design is right. I mean right now I'm binging every Power Rangers for 10 bucks a month, as a kid my Mom spent like $20 a pop on single VHS with two episodes a tape. Market design changes.

[Edited 7/2/19 20:15pm]

Geezus! The estate is NOT going to cheapen his work by opening the vault for yall Tom, Dick, and Harrys to pick and choose from all of the volume of work in there. Why don't yall get it?

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Reply #116 posted 07/03/19 1:28am

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The repeated NDA-hoopla is ridiculous:

If they think that 'early'conformation of a 1999 remaster is a risk for their perceived market they need to wake up.Where is the competition for 1999?

They need to get the product right first (i.e.: not like the PR remaster).

Then they should leak the strategy w.r.t. album remasters. (what risk is there when we knows they will go backwards or forwards in time or both?)

And then there's the 'vault'type releases.

Again there is no real competition.

I.o.w.: the NDA-thing makes them appear more clueless to me.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #117 posted 07/03/19 5:53am

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udo said:

The repeated NDA-hoopla is ridiculous:


If they think that 'early'conformation of a 1999 remaster is a risk for their perceived market they need to wake up.Where is the competition for 1999?


They need to get the product right first (i.e.: not like the PR remaster).


Then they should leak the strategy w.r.t. album remasters. (what risk is there when we knows they will go backwards or forwards in time or both?)


And then there's the 'vault'type releases.


Again there is no real competition.


I.o.w.: the NDA-thing makes them appear more clueless to me.




Maybe like when Prince was alive they are want to keep their yap shut about releases so they can be “surprises?”
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #118 posted 07/03/19 8:08am

udo

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rdhull said:

udo said:

The repeated NDA-hoopla is ridiculous:

If they think that 'early'conformation of a 1999 remaster is a risk for their perceived market they need to wake up.Where is the competition for 1999?

They need to get the product right first (i.e.: not like the PR remaster).

Then they should leak the strategy w.r.t. album remasters. (what risk is there when we knows they will go backwards or forwards in time or both?)

And then there's the 'vault'type releases.

Again there is no real competition.

I.o.w.: the NDA-thing makes them appear more clueless to me.

Maybe like when Prince was alive they are want to keep their yap shut about releases so they can be “surprises?”

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How can there be surprises now?

All stuff is already in the can.

Only the mixes they can fsck up.

And why treat us like children when they (should) know we are a mature audience?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #119 posted 07/03/19 9:32am

AvocadosMax

rdhull said:

AvocadosMax said:


That’s sadly not gonna happen. They’re too blinded by the potential profit of CDs, cassettes and vinyl 25 years from now to do something that cool. They don’t care about us THAT much.


It has nothing to do with solely profit.

You’re very wrong.
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