Krystalkisses said: muchtoofast said: I think he had unexpressed anger brought on by his disappointment with the JW’s, also he may have been angry he let his money quest (I think he was trying to make a buck off the renewed careers of Larry and Chaka) lead him down this religious path that went nowhere. Also keeping money from work that was supposed to be given to charity, he was resentful, figuring he himself had given plenty already to the JW charity. Poor guy didn’t have anyone to talk to, internalized the anger and started not taking care of himself, gave up a bit and got depressed, cue the vicious cycle. That is a very interesting observation. I did read on the org after he died there were a few posters who were at concerts that were towards the end of his life and where he seemed very angry at something and almost rageful, and I remember one poster said just the little that he exhibited frightened them, I think the review was from a concert in Manchester or somewhere in England ...i never thought of that as in relation to the JWs but interesting...he must have been going through a lot... ...fame is so destructive... I’d like to find those posts because this is very interesting to me also. Go all the way to Brooklyn, ask questions of the church big-wigs and get wishy washy answers had to have been maddening. Add less than a clear mind to anger, who can’t relate? | |
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muchtoofast said: Krystalkisses said: That is a very interesting observation. I did read on the org after he died there were a few posters who were at concerts that were towards the end of his life and where he seemed very angry at something and almost rageful, and I remember one poster said just the little that he exhibited frightened them, I think the review was from a concert in Manchester or somewhere in England ...i never thought of that as in relation to the JWs but interesting...he must have been going through a lot... ...fame is so destructive... I’d like to find those posts because this is very interesting to me also. Go all the way to Brooklyn, ask questions of the church big-wigs and get wishy washy answers had to have been maddening. Add less than a clear mind to anger, who can’t relate? Oh absolutely. That could really leave just about anyone despondent and angry. I wish I could find that post/review again, I looked but no luck, and I do remember reading someone saying he looked seething with anger and really pissed off on here, from April 16th at that dance party...which stood out to me because I hadn't read that before in anything else so I was like...????...i was really surprised in Kim Berry's book where she wrote there was a time where he really was questioning his faith because he seemed so steadfast and assured in any interview I read or saw regarding his beliefs. | |
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Krystalkisses said: muchtoofast said: I’d like to find those posts because this is very interesting to me also. Go all the way to Brooklyn, ask questions of the church big-wigs and get wishy washy answers had to have been maddening. Add less than a clear mind to anger, who can’t relate? Oh absolutely. That could really leave just about anyone despondent and angry. I wish I could find that post/review again, I looked but no luck, and I do remember reading someone saying he looked seething with anger and really pissed off on here, from April 16th at that dance party...which stood out to me because I hadn't read that before in anything else so I was like...????...i was really surprised in Kim Berry's book where she wrote there was a time where he really was questioning his faith because he seemed so steadfast and assured in any interview I read or saw regarding his beliefs. http://prince.org/msg/7/381199 I found this, not what you are talking about but rather funny stuff, a better way to remember him. | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
Larry may have simply been trying to protect Prince's privacy and reputation. At the time of Larry's interview, the full extent of Prince's situation with pain relief was not publically known. | |
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- Couldn't agree more. - But I'm affraid this whole thread will be bashed by (the other purple) believers. Beware. - I said it quite often, religion should be a private matter, just like your sexual orientation. You can sing about it, I don't care. but don't sell it as the only truth, blah blah. Simply because it is not important as such. Because of the understanding of those who believe (in whatever) should also understand that life as such itself is essential, and all religions are side issues. No Matter what. Religion should never be a starting point in any general conversation or encounter. Period. It's all a matter of courtesy and sane understanding. - But if you choose to brag about it or wave it around; expect a counter effect. And be as courteaous as possible in the understanding that it's best to agree to disagree. I don't bash believers anymore, I try to put myself above that (in mutual respect of course). I prefer to behave indifferent when conversation gets lost (again), which leaves them quite lost and actually very 'alone', the way it should be. -
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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- Couldn't agree more. - But I'm affraid this whole thread will be bashed by (the other purple) believers. Beware. - I said it quite often, religion should be a private matter, just like your sexual orientation. You can sing about it, I don't care. but don't sell it as the only truth, blah blah. Simply because it is not important as such. Because of the understanding of those who believe (in whatever) should also understand that life as such itself is essential, and all religions are side issues. No Matter what. Religion should never be a starting point in any general conversation or encounter. Period. It's all a matter of courtesy and sane understanding. - But if you choose to brag about it or wave it around; expect a counter effect. And be as courteaous as possible in the understanding that it's best to agree to disagree. I don't bash believers anymore, I try to put myself above that (in mutual respect of course). I prefer to behave indifferent when conversation gets lost (again), which leaves them quite lost and actually very 'alone', the way it should be. -
Very well said Vannormal. I completely agree. There are too many differing religions and varying beliefs to argue or push one over the other. There is a reason the term “faith” is used, and it’s because we have no concrete evidence that one specific belief is in fact the “right” one. They were created during different time periods by people/groups in different cultures. Most began to provide hope and to foster a belief in what happens when we leave this world. * Unfortunately, pushing and/or forcing religious beliefs on to others has always been a problem both by individuals, groups and leaders. Thus will never change. * This is the biggest issue with many organized religious groups, especially one like JW. Their agenda is to use members to push others to join. This is why Prince became so vocal during his shows - preaching to his audience, and having debates with his friends/associates lasting several hours. | |
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I am really curious what led Prince to exploring the 3rd eye concept, astro travel, ECT....i think it's really fascinating and I'm interested in his journey of how he began exploring that. Kim Berry said on social media this week that he studied everything yet at the end he always ended back up at Christ. Obviously, from his work at the end he was exploring.. [Edited 5/8/19 9:47am] | |
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I agree regarding religion, but why do you equate that with sexual orientation? Your belief system is very different to who you are attracted to. Check out The Collector's Guide to Prince on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/p...4ldzxwlEuy | |
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I don't get that mindset.
It says in the bible to spread the good news but followers are suppose to just keep it to themselves? The reason we exist is a side issue that shouldn't be discussed as a matter of courtesy?
Imagine being that selfish and uncaring of others.
It seemed like he picked up everything and held onto the pieces he liked. The 3rd eye and eastern stuff seems to have come before the JW stuff. He was still talking conspiracy stuff that George Clinton introduced him to in 92 and concepts from The Matrix.
There are frequent, sometimes tricky-to-follow digressions: He seems to have branched out from his study of the Bible, which began in earnest when he became a Jehovah’s Witness under the tutelage of bassist Larry Graham. “It’s just all expanded,” he says. “Anything I believed then, I believe even more now – it’s just expanded.” While still deeply Christian, he’s also spent time studying what appears to be an Afro-centric interpretation of history, along with the physics of sound, some Eastern ideas (chakras are “science,” he says) and a selection of unabashed conspiracy theories. He has thoughts on the JFK assassination (“The car slows down – why doesn’t it speed up?”); AIDS (“It’s rising in some communities, and it’s not rising in others – any primate could figure out why”); and the airplane trails known in some circles as chemtrails (“Think about where they appear, why they appear, how often and what particular times of the year”).
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He wants to prove that 3rdEyeGirl can activate my chakras, so he seats me on a stool onstage, no more than three feet away from him. He picks up a custom Vox guitar – the brand some of James Brown’s guitarists played. “You’re gonna start vibrating in a second,” he tells me, and kicks the band into the fiery Seventies fusion instrumental “Stratus,” tearing through solos that arc endlessly upward. He warned of goose bumps, and delivers.
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He tries to explain why he can imagine playing into old age, with a dizzying detour into mysticism via the Wachowskis. “Life spans are getting longer,” he says. “One of the reasons is because people are learning more about everything, so then the brain makes more connections. Eventually, we’ll be in eternal brain mode because we’ll be able to hold eternity in our minds. A lot of people can’t do that. If you can’t think all the way back eternally, you can’t think all the way forward eternally. Everybody usually thinks about a beginning, a big bang. If you take that event out, then you can start to see what eternity is. Remember in The Matrix where they said the only thing that has an ending had a beginning, and vice versa?”
https://www.rollingstone....ory-61472/ [Edited 5/8/19 16:59pm] | |
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growing his hair out long again | |
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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violetcrush said: Along with all of the "preaching" he did while performing from the late 90's through the early 2000's, to me the worst thing was changing many of his lyrics to avoid any profane language. I cringed when he played DMSR..."work that body like you want some more??" Uh "Spirituality" instead of "Sexuality" was the worst | |
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funkycat00 said: violetcrush said: Along with all of the "preaching" he did while performing from the late 90's through the early 2000's, to me the worst thing was changing many of his lyrics to avoid any profane language. I cringed when he played DMSR..."work that body like you want some more??" Uh "Spirituality" instead of "Sexuality" was the worst Ugghhhh!! It was all bad. He would change “fuck” to “duck” and when he sang Peach at his 2004 PP Celebration he re-wrote half the song lyrics | |
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that's better than saying "whore" , like the original lyrics | |
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‘leave that blood alone’
What song are you referring to or is this a statement made by him at a concert? | |
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But Prince also referenced the lyric from Silicon on ONA Live the song Xenophobia. | |
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Astasheiks said:
‘leave that blood alone’
What song are you referring to or is this a statement made by him at a concert? Kids have been allowed to die because someone sings about not eating meat? I don’t follow. | |
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benni said: But Prince also referenced the lyric from Silicon on ONA Live the song Xenophobia. Prince is referring to being a meat eater in the song Silicon. He’s not referring to the JW belief of no blood transfusions. He’a preaching to stop eating meat and become a Vegetarian. He started speaking out on this in the late 90’s. | |
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muchtoofast said: Astasheiks said:
‘leave that blood alone’
What song are you referring to or is this a statement made by him at a concert? Kids have been allowed to die because someone sings about not eating meat? I don’t follow. Right, I posted that just below yours. I think he/she was interpreting that lyric as him speaking out against blood transfusions. Not what he’s singing about though. | |
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violetcrush said: benni said: But Prince also referenced the lyric from Silicon on ONA Live the song Xenophobia. Prince is referring to being a meat eater in the song Silicon. He’s not referring to the JW belief of no blood transfusions. He’a preaching to stop eating meat and become a Vegetarian. He started speaking out on this in the late 90’s. Exactly. The surrounding verses from 'Silicon' provide the proper context. Prince is refering to 'dead blood' from dead meat. However, when Prince references the lyric from 'Silicon' on the live recording of 'Xenophobia' from ONA... LIVE! the surrounding verses and context are omitted, potentially accounting for the confusion and controversy. * [Edited 5/10/19 4:44am] | |
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OperatingThetan said: violetcrush said: Prince is referring to being a meat eater in the song Silicon. He’s not referring to the JW belief of no blood transfusions. He’a preaching to stop eating meat and become a Vegetarian. He started speaking out on this in the late 90’s. Exactly. The surrounding verses from 'Silicon' provide the proper context. Prince is refering to 'dead blood' from dead meat. However, when Prince references the lyric from 'Silicon' on the live recording of 'Xenophobia' from ONA... LIVE! the surrounding verses and context are omitted, potentially accounting for the confusion and controversy. * [Edited 5/10/19 4:44am] Yes, and the lyric “dead blood” as referencing blood transfusions would not make sense, as healthy blood is taken from “live” people to use for transfusions - it is not “dead”. | |
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benni said:
I'm taken aback by the defensive tone of your post, were you assuming I was somehow implying his angry feelings were not valid? | |
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Krystalkisses said: benni said:
I'm taken aback by the defensive tone of your post, were you assuming I was somehow implying his angry feelings were not valid? I think Benni’s Post was countering yours and muchtoofast’s interpretation that his anger was caused by any issues he had with JW. She was clarifying that Prince’s anger on April 16th was a reaction to the media’s and fans’ response to the Moline incident. He was angry about the rumors and widespread coverage, which makes sense based on the level of privacy he always tried to maintain. * Prince’s anger was not directed at the JW that night. [Edited 5/10/19 8:20am] | |
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violetcrush said: Krystalkisses said: I'm taken aback by the defensive tone of your post, were you assuming I was somehow implying his angry feelings were not valid? I think Benni’s Post was countering yours and muchtoofast’s interpretation that his anger was caused by any issues he had with JW. She was clarifying that Prince’s anger on April 16th was a reaction to the media’s and fans’ response to the Moline incident. He was angry about the rumors and widespread coverage, which makes sense based on the level of privacy he always tried to maintain. * Prince’s anger was not directed at the JW that night. [Edited 5/10/19 8:20am] Ok that is why I had to ask for clarification. However, sometimes people can have a multitude of reasons why they feel angry in their life , surface reasons and deeper reasons and they all contribute. I just never saw it from an angle that is JW faith may have let him down...ofcourse we have no idea if that was the cause. Regardless he wasn't in a good place if he was abusing medication. | |
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