babynoz said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, i think the women who came here got too pissed off to come back, i called them on their shit and they went nuts. Everyone knows though, how women are. If you don't, ask a beautiful woman sometime what it's like to be gorgeous and she'll tell you how it hasn't been worth the hatred she's gotten from other women, at least that's what i've heard. Women are a whole nother can of pickles. men have the ego, women have the vanity, same thing on the different side of the coin. And don't let them see you having fun, they'll tell on you.

I was asking why the other thread got deleted. Was it your fault?

Hi babynoz

onlyforaminute said:

Pete, what did you do?

i didn't do shit, she told me she was 18 judeg ,i mean judge

poppys said:

babynoz said:

I was asking why the other thread got deleted. Was it your fault?

Hi babynoz

you askd and i told you, i didn't see any other thread, i wouldn't start one, i rarely start threads but i was looking, this is the only one i'm aware of.

PeteSilas said:

onlyforaminute said:

Pete, what did you do?

i didn't do shit, she told me she was 18 judeg ,i mean judge

Be nice we had a little section to tell us what went down in these disappeared threads. I've come in here too many times and missed all the action. Used to make me mad. Enquiring minds and all.

poppys said:

babynoz said:

I was asking why the other thread got deleted. Was it your fault?

Hi babynoz

PeteSilas said:

poppys said:

Hi babynoz

you askd and i told you, i didn't see any other thread, i wouldn't start one, i rarely start threads but i was looking, this is the only one i'm aware of.

It wasn't there for very long.

I hope that every time another opportunist crawl out from under a rock they will get dealt with.

poppys said:

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said:
Now why is this being laid in the lap of black culture?

I noticed that too.

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I mentioned it as that is what seems to come forward a lot in talking about the R Kelly story and more general in discussions about male/female relationships. Not being an American, my overview of American culture (and American black culture) is very much outside looking in. Is there no truth to that information?

ABro said:

mediumdry said:

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I'm sorry my online schedule doesn't meet your approval.

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And I am not sure what you think you disproved, but both Mayte and Anna have mentioned in books and interviews how Prince had a relationship (not sexual, although I don't know if kissing was involved or not) with them before "the big night" on their 18th birthday.

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While he was 30+ years old.

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I'm saying it's not illegal, but it *is* creepy. You seem to disagree. I'm not even talking about the "hypnotizing" and other control issues with Prince. A lot of people that were in his camp at some point mentioned having issues with his controlling nature. At the same it seems that they all loved him, admired his work ethic and other talents. The man was unique, with many facets, both good and bad. I don't see a problem in calling out some of his bad sides, especially when there is a lot of discussion now about R Kelly. Prince's behaviour isn't as bad as all that, although there are some similarities. It's a good way to look at our culture and more specifically black culture and celebrity culture where the older man/young girl coupling seems quite accepted.

I'll tell you what "the similarities" aren't between P & Kelly..

Prince never..

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You are REACHING, & frankly if he's such a nasty piece of work I don't know why you are on a site dedicated to the man.

Again, P never engaged in sexual activity with any women below 18.
Again, the age of consent is 16 in Minnesota.

You bringing "black culture" into this says it all, you are in good company though, I'm sure you'll not have a hard time finding other "Prince fans" to agree with you.

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Wow.. strawman argument much? I love Prince's music and have great respect for the man. That doesn't mean we should pretend he didn't have issues. Not big on unquestioning worship.

mediumdry said:

sonshine said:

Prince had a thing for virgins. Maybe that's a guy thing in general?

ya, if you can do it, i never have but it's probably somewhat the same for older women, when i was young, women used to really throw it at me but i was shy. it goes both ways but men get dogged out more. don't believe me? compare the male teachers and female teachers who get caught fucking students. Hey, btw, wasn't prince the one who popped martika's vagina? heard it here.

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said:

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I mentioned it as that is what seems to come forward a lot in talking about the R Kelly story and more general in discussions about male/female relationships. Not being an American, my overview of American culture (and American black culture) is very much outside looking in. Is there no truth to that information?

Older men desiring relationships with very young women is something you've only seen happen in the black culture? You're so full of it. In this thread alone you can see that isn't true let alone out in the big wide real world. Your mindset is set and thats all you want to see.

yup, i think i mentioned elvis, jerry lee, charlie chaplin. then you have guys who thought they were slick like letterman and seinfeld who got them just on the cusp of legality, at 18-19, not really any difference really especially if you're 30, 40 years older. I remember feeling wierd liking 18 year old girls when i was 22, maybe i'm the prude here.

P had a thing 4 women. Period.

I think it's important to note that Prince didn't jump right from Anna G to Mayte. He had a pretty intense - allbeit short- affair with Kim Basinger - yes I know it's "Kim Basinger", but still... and she was 5 years older than Prince. Susannah Melvoin also recently confirmed that she continued to see Prince for several years after she left MN in 1986. So, it wasn't only the younger girls for him. However, he clearly did have an interest in the 16-18 yr old group - Anna, Carmen, Mayte, etc. It's also been written that Susan Moonsie was just 16 yrs old when she began dating Prince - he was 22.

never understand ( i do and i dont't) why he had to have all these women in his life. fortunately he had a herculean constitution and it didn't hurt his work.

We have to embrace ourselves that there is a chance that people are going to talk about Prince's ugliness thanks to Metoo movement, and even Anna can't stop that narrative. Even though our heroes gave us terrific art, they can had some conflicting issues behind closed doors.

It is what it is.

ladygirl99 said:

We have to embrace ourselves that there is a chance that people are going to talk about Prince's ugliness thanks to Metoo movement, and even Anna can't stop that narrative. Even though our heroes gave us terrific art, they can had some conflicting issues behind closed doors.

It is what it is.

Very true. There is an old interview with Anna Garcia - early 90's I believe - where she states that she "slept" with Prince for 4 months, however he would not have sex with her because she had not yet turned 18. I'll see if I can find that one.

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

We have to embrace ourselves that there is a chance that people are going to talk about Prince's ugliness thanks to Metoo movement, and even Anna can't stop that narrative. Even though our heroes gave us terrific art, they can had some conflicting issues behind closed doors.

It is what it is.

Very true. There is an old interview with Anna Garcia - early 90's I believe - where she states that she "slept" with Prince for 4 months, however he would not have sex with her because she had not yet turned 18. I'll see if I can find that one.

Here is the article from June 1990- a bit "tabloidish", but it appears that Anna G was interviewed:

Dutch singer Anna Garcia, now 19, lived with 32 year old Prince for 6 months.
"He portrays this outrageous stud on stage, but at home he’s actually rather shy" she said. "One time we took a bath together and he made me turn off the lights so I couldn’t see him. And he’d get more aroused by seeing me put my makeup on than by the sight of a naked breast. He’s just a sweet little boy at heart. He loves popcorn, playing games and making people laugh."

Anna was 15 and at day school in London when they first met, but it was two years later in her native Holland before he asked her to spend the night with him. She said: "We still hadn’t even kissed. I was a virgin and told him so. He handed me a pair of his silk pyjamas and woolly bedsocks and we both changed seperately in the bathroom, got into bed and fell asleep in eachother’s arms. It was quite amazing, I couldn’t get over beeing in bed with Prince, yet feeling absolutely safe. It just didn’t occur to me that he’d try anything and he didn’t. The next day Prince flew to Denmark but phoned me and begged me to join him. He asked to speak to my mum, so I put her on the phone.
Mum told me Prince had vowed I’d be safe with him and that he’d do nothing to hurt me, so she agreed to let me go. That night we kissed for the first time and he told me ‘You were beautiful when you were 15 and you get better every year’. I thought he’d try to make love to me, but he said: ‘We won’t make love until your 18th birthday. It’s going to be very special between us and I want everything to be absolutely perfect’.
So we sat in bed in our pyjamas watching old movies and eating popcorn."

In the following months Prince flew Anna first class to join him in Germany, New York and finally his home in Minneapolis.
"He was always the perfect gentleman. Sometimes the temptation was almost to much to bear. Once in N.Y. he invited me to join him in his bubblebath, but he made me turn of the lights first and we just sat soaping eachother in the dark."

Anna stayed for a week in his MPLS home. She said: "He gave me my own room, but we slept every night together and each time we’d just cuddle and say ‘only a few more weeks to go.’

Anna’s birthday was on Dec 31 and she was at home in Holland. Until then, when they were apart he had called her almost every night.
"But Christmas came and went without a single call and I was devastated. I thought ‘That’s it. It’s over’.
Then at 8 a.m on the morning of my birthday his bodyguard phoned me.."

..."he also gave me..... a tape of a song he’d written and recorded just for me. It appeared later on Batman -the sleeve carries a dedication to me - as Vicky Waiting. That brought tears to my eyes. He sang: ‘I’ve never known a love so sweet’"

During their affair Prince often wrote love notes to Anna - and sometimes even faxed them to her. In one he wrote:

This is a fax from me to you.
Hope this little note finds U in spirits so cool.
If not may the sun drop from an unworthy sky...
4 without your happiness I would surely die

In another he said:

Tis only the lonely that long 4.
Tis always the evil that cry.
Love is a virtue so very few know.
Please love, don't ever leave me

And a third included the lines:

I was fine but now I'm blue
Sleepy eyes that get no rest
I need your lips upon my breast

The rockstar whose sellout shows include simulated sex on stage was horrified when Anna told him she had posed topless for Playboy. He pleaded ‘ Put a stop to it - it’ll be something you’ll always regret’. Anna said: "What he really hated was that someone who knew we were together might recognise me. He said: ‘They’ll say Prince’s girl is a Playboy model. You can’t be in Playboy and with me.’" So Anna put a stop to the pictures, until she was living with him in Minneapolis. When they appeared she asked Prince: 'Does this means it's over?'
But he told her: 'No, I love you. I couldn't leave you now'.

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Interestingly, many of these things have been mentioned by other women - popcorn and television, bathing, sweet boy, etc. So, based on that interview - if it is legitimate, she was engaging in intimate things, just not sex.

Such a monster. Didn't touch her till 18. Didn't touch mayte till 19.

The Age Of Consent Is 16 In Minnesota.

Or Does The LAW Not Count When You Have Been Pushing A Narrative For Two Years.

Again, If You Believe Anna Was Born In '73 You Haven't Done Your Research. Try 1970.
And Again, Are you telling me she did Playboy at 15??

ABro said:

Anna met him once when she was 15 and then didn't see him or speak to him again until she was 17, closer to 18. As for Mayte, wasn't she hoping against all hope - putting her other plans on hold - to be able to tour with him? Isn't that the real reason she kept in contact? If he'd been waiting for Mayte, why wait that extra year?

Pete's been getting kicked around a bit for his views but he is correct (even if he stated it crudely). Nature has one prime directive....stay alive at all costs. Biology wins every time.

"Women under age 25 have a 96 percent chance of conceiving in a year if they're trying each month. If the guy is under 25, the odds drop to 92 percent. That's because many fertility issues among younger couples are on the man's side. Most are easily treatable and don't require help from a specialist unless conception is taking longer than one year."

https://www.parents.com/getting-pregnant/trying-to-conceive/up-your-chances-of-getting-pregnant-at-every-age/

Anna said out of her own mouth that the first time she met him, in London during the Parade gigs fyi, that she lied and told him she was older.
Facts still remain that the Law in Minnesota (& UK) states the age of consent is 16. He didn't have sexual relations with any women below 18.

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said:

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I mentioned it as that is what seems to come forward a lot in talking about the R Kelly story and more general in discussions about male/female relationships. Not being an American, my overview of American culture (and American black culture) is very much outside looking in. Is there no truth to that information?

Older men desiring relationships with very young women is something you've only seen happen in the black culture? You're so full of it. In this thread alone you can see that isn't true let alone out in the big wide real world. Your mindset is set and thats all you want to see.

Dont forget Jimmy Page dating Lori Maddox at age 14 etc.

rdhull said:

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said: Older men desiring relationships with very young women is something you've only seen happen in the black culture? You're so full of it. In this thread alone you can see that isn't true let alone out in the big wide real world. Your mindset is set and thats all you want to see.

Dont forget Jimmy Page dating Lori Maddox at age 14 etc.

jimmie page, mick jagger, bowie, keith richards, fuck, they all did it. one story that one girl, that makenzie girl, daughter of john phillips. I think it was, said she turned 18 and that mick jagger made a move and siad "i been waiting for this since you were 12" sick fuck.

ABro said:

violetcrush said:

ABro said:

Anna said out of her own mouth that the first time she met him, in London during the Parade gigs fyi, that she lied and told him she was older.
Facts still remain that the Law in Minnesota (& UK) states the age of consent is 16. He didn't have sexual relations with any women below 18.

I don't think anyone here is stating that he had aex with Anna or Mayte prior to them turning 18 yrs old. However, it is clear from the 1990 interview posted above, and from Mayte's statements, that he was pursuing them or "wooing" them at the age of 16-17. * Prince made his views about his age minimum for sex clear in the songs "18 & Over" and Come. * Still not normal for a man past his mid 20's to be going for teenage girls. Sorry, but it's true.

pretty normal when a man has that kind of clout, sorry. you may disagree with that in moral and principle but that's what successful men have almost always done, either in the open or downlow. Like I said, I wouldn't do it but i'd also be lying my motherfucking ass off if i said some nice big body parts didn't sort of alert me in some way or other, that goes past society and into biology. Nature wants the fertile, the young. I also think women may look for different things somewhat, they say women look more for security, i don't know, i mentioned that when i was young women were always fucking with me, breaking their necks to look at me and i loved it, wish it still happened.

PeteSilas said:

rdhull said:

Dont forget Jimmy Page dating Lori Maddox at age 14 etc.

jimmie page, mick jagger, bowie, keith richards, fuck, they all did it. one story that one girl, that makenzie girl, daughter of john phillips. I think it was, said she turned 18 and that mick jagger made a move and siad "i been waiting for this since you were 12" sick fuck.

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I did mention celebrity culture as well. At any rate, I am more than willing to retract my statement about black culture. It seems I misspoke. I will try and get better informed. My apologies.

PeteSilas said:

violetcrush said:

ABro said: I don't think anyone here is stating that he had aex with Anna or Mayte prior to them turning 18 yrs old. However, it is clear from the 1990 interview posted above, and from Mayte's statements, that he was pursuing them or "wooing" them at the age of 16-17. * Prince made his views about his age minimum for sex clear in the songs "18 & Over" and Come. * Still not normal for a man past his mid 20's to be going for teenage girls. Sorry, but it's true.

pretty normal when a man has that kind of clout, sorry. you may disagree with that in moral and principle but that's what successful men have almost always done, either in the open or downlow. Like I said, I wouldn't do it but i'd also be lying my motherfucking ass off if i said some nice big body parts didn't sort of alert me in some way or other, that goes past society and into biology. Nature wants the fertile, the young. I also think women may look for different things somewhat, they say women look more for security, i don't know, i mentioned that when i was young women were always fucking with me, breaking their necks to look at me and i loved it, wish it still happened.

I understand that many of the celebrities and rock stars took liberties with younger girls, especially back then, but I think the difference may be that many were in the "let me just have some fun with this girl tonight" mode, whereas Prince seemed to be more serious about it, and it was a consistent pattern. I get the physical desire of being with a much younger girl, but emotionally and intellectually it would get old at a certain point - and I guess it did with Prince, because they usually didn't last long. Even Mayte was fairly short - you can't really count 1990-95, because we know he was screwing around with multiple women, so if you start with the marriage then it also was not as long of a stretch with her.

ABro said:

Anna said out of her own mouth that the first time she met him, in London during the Parade gigs fyi, that she lied and told him she was older.
Facts still remain that the Law in Minnesota (& UK) states the age of consent is 16. He didn't have sexual relations with any women below 18.

Yes, he did have sex with women below the age of 18.

Nobody seems to talk about his time overseas, it's all talk about the USA.

PennyPurple said: