rednblue said:

ABro said:

Lauded some articles? It is my understanding this thread concerns one article, which like the other posters on here, I have commented on.
I am not a writer, nor do I claim to be.
I have contributed to the "community" since the mid 80s in various ways, not that it's any of your business, or that I owe you or anyone any explanations.

As for the rest of your post ~ Blah.

You brought Mayte's book into the discussion of this article, so there's nothing unreasonable in me responding to you with a reference to other written material. You lauded "Reclaiming the Black Prince." It also seems we both enjoy a book by the author of that article. Not trying to invade your privacy with this. You expressed it here on the Org.

Asked because I'm interested to read articles, books, etc. in the case that you have written about Prince. I didn't know if you were an author or not. You've expressed concerns about the state of the purple lore world. You know a lot about Prince and his music. But perhaps you feel that presenting that subject as you think it should be presented would fall on deaf ears, given your concerns about that purple lore world. Anyway, your reasons for writing or not are (as you point out) your business and not mine.

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"As for the rest of your post ~ Blah." I've bolded that part of my post, so now we've got bolded blah.


First thing that comes up with blah Google search:

"blah

/blä/

INFORMAL

noun

1. 1.

   used to refer to something which is boring or without meaningful content.

   'the first 20 pages are a lot of blah about budgets and stuff like that' "

Guess folks are glad I didn't go on for 20 pages.

I'm pretty sure most can see that writing is not a talent I possess.
I talk/read/dance/draw.
Yes, i, & others, do have concerns re the lore, but i, & others, are fully aware the cult, & more to the point, it's gatekeepers, are all linked up, & have a long history of censoring/targeting/shunning all that doesn't suit their agenda/s. So it's slightly deeper than just a matter of deaf ears, although that is most definitely a factor.

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ABro said:

rednblue said:

You brought Mayte's book into the discussion of this article, so there's nothing unreasonable in me responding to you with a reference to other written material. You lauded "Reclaiming the Black Prince." It also seems we both enjoy a book by the author of that article. Not trying to invade your privacy with this. You expressed it here on the Org.

Asked because I'm interested to read articles, books, etc. in the case that you have written about Prince. I didn't know if you were an author or not. You've expressed concerns about the state of the purple lore world. You know a lot about Prince and his music. But perhaps you feel that presenting that subject as you think it should be presented would fall on deaf ears, given your concerns about that purple lore world. Anyway, your reasons for writing or not are (as you point out) your business and not mine.

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"As for the rest of your post ~ Blah." I've bolded that part of my post, so now we've got bolded blah.


First thing that comes up with blah Google search:

"blah

/blä/

INFORMAL

noun

1. 1.

   used to refer to something which is boring or without meaningful content.

   'the first 20 pages are a lot of blah about budgets and stuff like that' "

Guess folks are glad I didn't go on for 20 pages.

I'm pretty sure most can see that writing is not a talent I possess.
I talk/read/dance/draw.
Yes, i, & others, do have concerns re the lore, but i, & others, are fully aware the cult, & more to the point, it's gatekeepers, are all linked up, & have a long history of censoring/targeting/shunning all that doesn't suit their agenda/s. So it's slightly deeper than just a matter of deaf ears, although that is most definitely a factor.

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Wow! Those four things you mention are absolute favorite things to do for that teenage boy I mentioned.

Thank you for your response. Grateful. Truly.

rednblue said:

ABro said:

I'm pretty sure most can see that writing is not a talent I possess.
I talk/read/dance/draw.
Yes, i, & others, do have concerns re the lore, but i, & others, are fully aware the cult, & more to the point, it's gatekeepers, are all linked up, & have a long history of censoring/targeting/shunning all that doesn't suit their agenda/s. So it's slightly deeper than just a matter of deaf ears, although that is most definitely a factor.

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Wow! Those four things you mention are absolute favorite things to do for that teenage boy I mentioned.

Thank you for your response. Grateful. Truly.

You're welcome.
My apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.

PeteSilas said:

onlyforaminute said:

There wouldn't have been a you.

now that you went and said it, these other folks are thinking 'that wouldn't be a bad thing". i was't born until my mom was 22 though and i don't know how long it really took my parents to really decide on marriage, i never asked them and they are both gone, neither was happy with the other though or with life. I learned a lot just watching everyone in my life.

Yeah, thought of that but really who cares if you like you. But it still goes to show there's nothing earth shattering or unique or unusual or even odd about it. Not that I don't get what other people are saying, heck I raised a daughter granted that never was a issue but I'd know how I'd of felt and she'd of gotten a earful. Maybe in 50 or 100 years those view will have shifted drastically as the world changes but today it really is a non-issue, it's simply a personal preference thing.

ABro said:

rednblue said:

Wow! Those four things you mention are absolute favorite things to do for that teenage boy I mentioned.

Thank you for your response. Grateful. Truly.

You're welcome.
My apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.

The Blackgirlnerds author failed miserably. I'm also not a writer, and I'm not finding good words. But IMO, taking people as the individuals they are means a lot. Not that comparisons or generalizations are not useful. But if they aren't careful and smart, they can get out of hand really fast.

It amazes me how it sometimes gets to the point where a wide array of situations and people get likened to a false boogeyman. By false, I mean that the boogeyman image is not anything like the stories of all, or even most. At times, it's akin to the stories of a tiny minority. Or akin to the stories of none at all.

NOT saying that depraved abuse doesn't exist in many areas of human interactions. It does. And many behaviors short of that level of harm should absolutely change.

But to start with falsehoods, which careless generalizations are really good at producing, helps nothing, and often works against change for the better. I guess I'm back to taking people as individuals being paramount.



Way more important than any of that, I likewise sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding.

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ABro said:

Age of consent in Minnesota is 16.

Age of consent in the UK is 16.
Not one single woman has said he touched them below 18, let alone below 16.
This was an obvious attempt to encourage the adding of P to the list of Actual predators in showbiz.
Nice try.

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So if a 35 year old man comes round for your 16 year old daughter to have a "platonic" friendship, that's all hunky dory?

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If not predator, then I'd say "predator adjacent".

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Not all Prince's traits were admirable. He had major control issues, which I suppose in part brought him to young girls, that he could mold.

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I don't think it has to come to a crime, for it to be at least somewhat wrong...

mediumdry said:

ABro said:

Age of consent in Minnesota is 16.

Age of consent in the UK is 16.
Not one single woman has said he touched them below 18, let alone below 16.
This was an obvious attempt to encourage the adding of P to the list of Actual predators in showbiz.
Nice try.

[Edited 1/23/19 6:08am]

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So if a 35 year old man comes round for your 16 year old daughter to have a "platonic" friendship, that's all hunky dory?

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If not predator, then I'd say "predator adjacent".

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Not all Prince's traits were admirable. He had major control issues, which I suppose in part brought him to young girls, that he could mold.

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I don't think it has to come to a crime, for it to be at least somewhat wrong...

But P did not "come round a 16 yr old daughter for a platonic relationship".
Her mother rushed his security with a vidoe tape of her dancing, she lived in a different country until 3 months prior to her 18th, when she moved into her own apartment in mpls/joined his band as a dancer.
As for Anna, if you believe the d.o.b. then obviously you haven't done your research, or are you telling me she did Playboy at 15??

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....Yeah, that's what I thought. Crickets.
Fast to put made-up labels on him though.

All right, all right, all right. High school troller.

there was a similar article about bowie and some 14 year old he porked. she came out and said she didn't see herself as a victim and didn't like someone using her that way. Some of these social justice warriors are so wrapped up in their bullshit that they don't see that they may be misappropiating someone's story. trump tried to use that white girl as ammunition, the girls own dad wasn't having it which is amazing really. But he came out and said he didn't want his daughters death used to support anti-mexican sentiments. Can't stop these people though, they'll find something.

what I wonder is this, serious question, in older times, not saying it's right or wrong, old/young relationships was the norm in many places even between the sexes. In Japan they had some sick thing of older samurais with young boys, sick I know but what I wonder is if those boys had the emotional problems of the boys today who've been molested or is it something that our society has done "this is sick and if you did it you should feel sick and ashamed" because I think it's obvious that people who've been used that way have major problems today. I wonder if they did then? If not, why?

mediumdry said:

ABro said:

Age of consent in Minnesota is 16.

Age of consent in the UK is 16.
Not one single woman has said he touched them below 18, let alone below 16.
This was an obvious attempt to encourage the adding of P to the list of Actual predators in showbiz.
Nice try.

[Edited 1/23/19 6:08am]

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So if a 35 year old man comes round for your 16 year old daughter to have a "platonic" friendship, that's all hunky dory?

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If not predator, then I'd say "predator adjacent".

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Not all Prince's traits were admirable. He had major control issues, which I suppose in part brought him to young girls, that he could mold.

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I don't think it has to come to a crime, for it to be at least somewhat wrong...

Exactly! Prince was in his 30's and I know that I wouldn't have wanted some 30 something year old man, sniffing around my 16, 17, or 18 year old, and I don't care who you are! IMO, that's just wrong and weird! I hate how some are just so blinded by Prince because of who he was as a musician, celebrity, entertainer, whatever, that they want to jump to his defense, and pretend as though he was some perfect man who could do no wrong..........bull! Prince used women for his own wants and needs, exploited them, and controlled them (especially the young ones that he knew he could control), and he was not perfect, just because he could play a guitar and piano, and could sing! He was a man that someimes treated others like crap, and had a thing for younger women far younger than himself, and that's the truth!

oceanblue said:

^^Or just simply speaking the truth about him.

oceanblue said:

*Checks 2 see where I said he was perfect...Nope, didn't think so*

rednblue said:

oceanblue said:

Exactly! Prince was in his 30's and I know that I wouldn't have wanted some 30 something year old man, sniffing around my 16, 17, or 18 year old, and I don't care who you are! IMO, that's just wrong and weird! I hate how some are just so blinded by Prince because of who he was as a musician, celebrity, entertainer, whatever, that they want to jump to his defense, and pretend as though he was some perfect man who could do no wrong..........bull! Prince used women for his own wants and needs, exploited them, and controlled them (especially the young ones that he knew he could control), and he was not perfect, just because he could play a guitar and piano, and could sing! He was a man that someimes treated others like crap, and had a thing for younger women far younger than himself, and that's the truth!

Agree. To portray him as perfect is just as destructive as demonizing him. [Edited 1/23/19 14:16pm]

Abro, I was responding to this (bolded above) description.

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rednblue said:

rednblue said:

oceanblue said: Agree. To portray him as perfect is just as destructive as demonizing him. [Edited 1/23/19 14:16pm]

dupe

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NouveauDance said:

Militant said:

udo said:

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What is this about?

Article got written about Prince "grooming" Anna. Caused a stir in the fanbase as it was false and vicious. I texted Anna to let her know about it. Anna told the writer and editor that it was not true. Editor pulled article.

The writer got rude with you on Twitter when you called her out initially. Glad to see Anna intervened

I love me, I do. As far as how would i feel if i had a daughter that age in that situation? I don't know, I've never liked how most of the women in my family end up with losers but you know you can't do much about it, i don't like it but not much I can do. With a daughter, best thing you can do is be a good parent and they'll see through the bullshit in most cases. Bad parents prep their kids for more abuse, i've seen it first hand. I know that I had a great dad and I never let anyone go but so far with me, never, even when i was underage and stupid. I always knew my worth, no slick talking asshole was coming in, ever. Just raise the kid right, don't take them right to the rockstar as mayte's ma did or let them live with the guy as priscilla's parents did when she was a kid. Just be a good parent, most of the other stuff will take care of itself.

onlyforaminute said:

PeteSilas said:

now that you went and said it, these other folks are thinking 'that wouldn't be a bad thing". i was't born until my mom was 22 though and i don't know how long it really took my parents to really decide on marriage, i never asked them and they are both gone, neither was happy with the other though or with life. I learned a lot just watching everyone in my life.

Yeah, thought of that but really who cares if you like you. But it still goes to show there's nothing earth shattering or unique or unusual or even odd about it. Not that I don't get what other people are saying, heck I raised a daughter granted that never was a issue but I'd know how I'd of felt and she'd of gotten a earful. Maybe in 50 or 100 years those view will have shifted drastically as the world changes but today it really is a non-issue, it's simply a personal preference thing.

PeteSilas said:

I love me, I do. As far as how would i feel if i had a daughter that age in that situation? I don't know, I've never liked how most of the women in my family end up with losers but you know you can't do much about it, i don't like it but not much I can do. With a daughter, best thing you can do is be a good parent and they'll see through the bullshit in most cases. Bad parents prep their kids for more abuse, i've seen it first hand. I know that I had a great dad and I never let anyone go but so far with me, never, even when i was underage and stupid. I always knew my worth, no slick talking asshole was coming in, ever. Just raise the kid right, don't take them right to the rockstar as mayte's ma did or let them live with the guy as priscilla's parents did when she was a kid. Just be a good parent, most of the other stuff will take care of itself.

onlyforaminute said:

Yeah, thought of that but really who cares if you like you. But it still goes to show there's nothing earth shattering or unique or unusual or even odd about it. Not that I don't get what other people are saying, heck I raised a daughter granted that never was a issue but I'd know how I'd of felt and she'd of gotten a earful. Maybe in 50 or 100 years those view will have shifted drastically as the world changes but today it really is a non-issue, it's simply a personal preference thing.

So first off, looking across cultures and history, we can find all manner of practices when it comes to how we treat children, adolescents and adults. As you noted earlier, our culture recognizes certain practices as vile and depraved.

I'm not perfect, and I tell my child I'm imperfect.

I also call out huge red flags. To reference what you wrote above, that is one thing we can do.

Since this thread relates to Anna's story, I'll note something I think is a huge red flag. People have described P and Anna's relative ages and the huge imbalance in power, but I don't believe anyone has noted this. I see it as a red flag in and of itself.

In interviews, Anna has stressed that Prince expressed to her that it was extremely important that her first time be special. To me, this is outrageous coming from someone who is notorious for his double standards about infidelity. More than once, P publicly expresses huge outrage and pain at infidelity being inflicted on him, to include in song lyrics. Countless times, he inflicts this pain on others. Flies in the face of "do unto others" and concern for a lover's experience.

^^ bedsocks?

ABro said:

....Yeah, that's what I thought. Crickets.
Fast to put made-up labels on him though.

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I'm sorry my online schedule doesn't meet your approval.

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And I am not sure what you think you disproved, but both Mayte and Anna have mentioned in books and interviews how Prince had a relationship (not sexual, although I don't know if kissing was involved or not) with them before "the big night" on their 18th birthday.

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While he was 30+ years old.

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I'm saying it's not illegal, but it *is* creepy. You seem to disagree. I'm not even talking about the "hypnotizing" and other control issues with Prince. A lot of people that were in his camp at some point mentioned having issues with his controlling nature. At the same it seems that they all loved him, admired his work ethic and other talents. The man was unique, with many facets, both good and bad. I don't see a problem in calling out some of his bad sides, especially when there is a lot of discussion now about R Kelly. Prince's behaviour isn't as bad as all that, although there are some similarities. It's a good way to look at our culture and more specifically black culture and celebrity culture where the older man/young girl coupling seems quite accepted.

thedoorkeeper said:

Keep hearing about inappropriate age differences between 18 year olds and older men. What is the appropriate age range for dating an 18 year old?

I guess that depends upon your moral standards, and your sense of right and wrong.

Half your age + 7 isn't it

mediumdry said:

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said:

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I'm sorry my online schedule doesn't meet your approval.

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And I am not sure what you think you disproved, but both Mayte and Anna have mentioned in books and interviews how Prince had a relationship (not sexual, although I don't know if kissing was involved or not) with them before "the big night" on their 18th birthday.

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While he was 30+ years old.

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I'm saying it's not illegal, but it *is* creepy. You seem to disagree. I'm not even talking about the "hypnotizing" and other control issues with Prince. A lot of people that were in his camp at some point mentioned having issues with his controlling nature. At the same it seems that they all loved him, admired his work ethic and other talents. The man was unique, with many facets, both good and bad. I don't see a problem in calling out some of his bad sides, especially when there is a lot of discussion now about R Kelly. Prince's behaviour isn't as bad as all that, although there are some similarities. It's a good way to look at our culture and more specifically black culture and celebrity culture where the older man/young girl coupling seems quite accepted.

Now why is this being laid in the lap of black culture?

I noticed that too.

onlyforaminute said:

mediumdry said:

ABro said:

....Yeah, that's what I thought. Crickets.
Fast to put made-up labels on him though.

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I'm sorry my online schedule doesn't meet your approval.

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And I am not sure what you think you disproved, but both Mayte and Anna have mentioned in books and interviews how Prince had a relationship (not sexual, although I don't know if kissing was involved or not) with them before "the big night" on their 18th birthday.

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While he was 30+ years old.

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I'm saying it's not illegal, but it *is* creepy. You seem to disagree. I'm not even talking about the "hypnotizing" and other control issues with Prince. A lot of people that were in his camp at some point mentioned having issues with his controlling nature. At the same it seems that they all loved him, admired his work ethic and other talents. The man was unique, with many facets, both good and bad. I don't see a problem in calling out some of his bad sides, especially when there is a lot of discussion now about R Kelly. Prince's behaviour isn't as bad as all that, although there are some similarities. It's a good way to look at our culture and more specifically black culture and celebrity culture where the older man/young girl coupling seems quite accepted.

I'll tell you what "the similarities" aren't between P & Kelly..

Prince never..

Made girls/women eat/drink shit & piss.
Kept women against their will.
Statutory raped.
Made a girl live as a boy.
Beat.
Filmed himself abusing a minor.

You are REACHING, & frankly if he's such a nasty piece of work I don't know why you are on a site dedicated to the man.

Again, P never engaged in sexual activity with any women below 18.
Again, the age of consent is 16 in Minnesota.

You bringing "black culture" into this says it all, you are in good company though, I'm sure you'll not have a hard time finding other "Prince fans" to agree with you.

Know any future replies from you will be blanked.
Good evening.

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