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Reply #210 posted 02/13/19 12:38am

muchtoofast

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nelcp777 said:

Also, per the seized item log, the herpes meds were in Kirk's name. That does not mean he used them. We know from records that Kirk obtained pills for Prince at a minimum from Dr. S (percocet) and possible Dr. Boo (codeine)


If Kirk has herpes it wouldn’t be a shameful thing to have used herpes drugs :/
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Reply #211 posted 02/13/19 11:14am

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muchtoofast said:

nelcp777 said:

Also, per the seized item log, the herpes meds were in Kirk's name. That does not mean he used them. We know from records that Kirk obtained pills for Prince at a minimum from Dr. S (percocet) and possible Dr. Boo (codeine)

If Kirk has herpes it wouldn’t be a shameful thing to have used herpes drugs :/

I did not say that nor implied it. The medication can also be used for other skin symptons.

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Reply #212 posted 02/14/19 10:44am

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Does anyone know who Thomas Huesman is from Minnesotta? His name is in Kirk's phone records for April 14th. The shows started at 7 and 10 pm. The last communications were around 2:30.

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Reply #213 posted 02/14/19 10:54am

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Does anyone know who Thomas Huesman is from Minnesotta? His name is in Kirk's phone records for April 14th. The shows started at 7 and 10 pm. The last communications were around 2:30.

This is from his profile on linkedin.

Summary

Specialties: Cabinetry, Windows, Doors, Countertops, Hardware
Land Developing, building new construction.

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Reply #214 posted 02/14/19 11:22am

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PennyPurple said:

nelcp777 said:

Does anyone know who Thomas Huesman is from Minnesotta? His name is in Kirk's phone records for April 14th. The shows started at 7 and 10 pm. The last communications were around 2:30.

This is from his profile on linkedin.

Summary

Specialties: Cabinetry, Windows, Doors, Countertops, Hardware
Land Developing, building new construction.

Thanks.

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Reply #215 posted 02/16/19 7:57am

Menes

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^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

Speaking of beating a dead horse... back in the saddle!

I have examined this thing to death. A reoccuring engima ,yet many clues to still examine.

1. Page 31 in the NY times report( bullet point 60). Dr. Strobel tells detective that there was hydrocdone in the the urine but not the blood. This is consistent with someone who had a dosage in the last 3-4 days prior to death. This should coincide with the "opiate" found in the analysis from Dr. Schulenberg.

2. She( Dr. Strobel) did not indicate that fentanyl was found in the urine . 80--85% of it is usually excreted through urine. She detected it in the blood,which indicates the time of ingestion per the fentanyl metabolite.

3. On page 32,(bullet point 73) Dr. Strobel indicates that there was no doubt that per the high level of fentanyl in the stomach contents, the fentanyl was orally ingested.

4. So far, we have two opiates to choose from and an interesting choice made by Prince as to when he chose to take either of the two. I might add that these pills did not magically appear on the night of his death. They are there all along, and is consistent with marked indicators for separation. He could have easily reached for more hydrocodone on the eve of his "appointment" if the opiate withdrawal was that bad. There is a reason for the switch and amount that was ingested.

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Reply #216 posted 02/16/19 8:16am

Menes

Menes said:

AnnaStesia10 said:

^^^^ True, how he died makes no f'ing sense from the near death incident on the plane one week before he died, his pill usage, the massive amounts of Fentanyl in his body, how he was about to get help the next day for his dependence on pain pills,but then is found in an elevator dead with his clothes on backward, no will, and Kirk, Meron, Phaedra and Tyka aren't speaking and did not help the authorities with his death investigation, no one else in his circle past and current are not speaking either, and now the death investigation is closed with just a determination that it was an accidental overdose of Fentanyl mind you he had MASSIVE amounts of it in his system and doesnt ring alarm bells to anyone. So yeah, his death is shrouded in mystery and fuckery. And yet people want us to shut up and question why we still wanna beat a dead horse and let Prince rest in peace. Prince is gone he doesn't care one bit what we all say and think now. I cannot believe how he went out and how his "friends and family" reacted in the aftermath. It is unreal.

Speaking of beating a dead horse... back in the saddle!

I have examined this thing to death. A reoccuring engima ,yet many clues to still examine.

1. Page 31 in the NY times report( bullet point 60). Dr. Strobel tells detective that there was hydrocdone in the the urine but not the blood. This is consistent with someone who had a dosage in the last 3-4 days prior to death. This should coincide with the "opiate" found in the analysis from Dr. Schulenberg.

2. She( Dr. Strobel) did not indicate that fentanyl was found in the urine . 80--85% of it is usually excreted through urine. She detected it in the blood,which indicates the time of ingestion per the fentanyl metabolite.

3. On page 32,(bullet point 73) Dr. Strobel indicates that there was no doubt that per the high level of fentanyl in the stomach contents, the fentanyl was orally ingested.

4. So far, we have two opiates to choose from and an interesting choice made by Prince as to when he chose to take either of the two. I might add that these pills did not magically appear on the night of his death. They are there all along, and is consistent with marked indicators for separation. He could have easily reached for more hydrocodone on the eve of his "appointment" if the opiate withdrawal was that bad. There is a reason for the switch and amount that was ingested.

On Page 65( bullet point 48). To me there is a clear indication of withdrawal symtpoms from prolonged usage. Specifically , numbness and tingling below knees (which feels like pins and needles) . Similar symptoms reported in both hands and he does not seem to to be waking up as expected. He(Prince) has not had symptoms like this in the past. These are neuro-transmitters on fire because of withdrawals in my opinion. He leaves for a show the very next day according to the report.

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Reply #217 posted 02/16/19 8:24am

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

Speaking of beating a dead horse... back in the saddle!

I have examined this thing to death. A reoccuring engima ,yet many clues to still examine.

1. Page 31 in the NY times report( bullet point 60). Dr. Strobel tells detective that there was hydrocdone in the the urine but not the blood. This is consistent with someone who had a dosage in the last 3-4 days prior to death. This should coincide with the "opiate" found in the analysis from Dr. Schulenberg.

2. She( Dr. Strobel) did not indicate that fentanyl was found in the urine . 80--85% of it is usually excreted through urine. She detected it in the blood,which indicates the time of ingestion per the fentanyl metabolite.

3. On page 32,(bullet point 73) Dr. Strobel indicates that there was no doubt that per the high level of fentanyl in the stomach contents, the fentanyl was orally ingested.

4. So far, we have two opiates to choose from and an interesting choice made by Prince as to when he chose to take either of the two. I might add that these pills did not magically appear on the night of his death. They are there all along, and is consistent with marked indicators for separation. He could have easily reached for more hydrocodone on the eve of his "appointment" if the opiate withdrawal was that bad. There is a reason for the switch and amount that was ingested.

On Page 65( bullet point 48). To me there is a clear indication of withdrawal symtpoms from prolonged usage. Specifically , numbness and tingling below knees (which feels like pins and needles) . Similar symptoms reported in both hands and he does not seem to to be waking up as expected. He(Prince) has not had symptoms like this in the past. These are neuro-transmitters on fire because of withdrawals in my opinion. He leaves for a show the very next day according to the report.

Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?

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Reply #218 posted 02/16/19 8:41am

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Good to have you back Menes!

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Reply #219 posted 02/16/19 8:47am

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

On Page 65( bullet point 48). To me there is a clear indication of withdrawal symtpoms from prolonged usage. Specifically , numbness and tingling below knees (which feels like pins and needles) . Similar symptoms reported in both hands and he does not seem to to be waking up as expected. He(Prince) has not had symptoms like this in the past. These are neuro-transmitters on fire because of withdrawals in my opinion. He leaves for a show the very next day according to the report.

Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?

Paramedics report shows a few things I overlooked. See Page 91( bullet point 43).

Prince had vomit in his mouth, limbs are stiff( arms bent and unable to straighten) due to rigomortis.

In another report on 10-23-13 patient(Prince) admitted and WBC count was high with "left shift". I had to look that up and found it to be an innumberable amout of reasons why his wbc count was high. However, prevailing wisdom seems to indicate some sort of bacterial infection or stress. The report also indicates that he has not been eating for some time. Refuses treatment and wants to remain as natrual as possible. Please be reminded that 5 hour energy drinks are not as "natural as possible" ,so he must have changed his mind about being "natural"at some point. Make of it what you will but these are clear behaviorial changes to me, or lies.

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Reply #220 posted 02/16/19 9:03am

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PennyPurple said:

Good to have you back Menes!

Hey Penny! Good to see you have kept this alive. I was just getting around to the numerous amounts of fleet enemas found in all of the bathrooms. Which to me, spells opiate-induced constipation to the extreme, as opposed to a one and off use of the dreaded anti-shit blockers. eek

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Reply #221 posted 02/16/19 9:12am

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Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Good to have you back Menes!

Hey Penny! Good to see you have kept this alive. I was just getting around to the numerous amounts of fleet enemas found in all of the bathrooms. Which to me, spells opiate-induced constipation to the extreme, as opposed to a one and off use of the dreaded anti-shit blockers. eek

Opiates lock ya up for sure. BUT they do have meds for that specific problem of the opiates blockages.

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Reply #222 posted 02/16/19 9:38am

Menes

Menes said:

Menes said:

Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?

Paramedics report shows a few things I overlooked. See Page 91( bullet point 43).

Prince had vomit in his mouth, limbs are stiff( arms bent and unable to straighten) due to rigomortis.

In another report on 10-23-13 patient(Prince) admitted and WBC count was high with "left shift". I had to look that up and found it to be an innumberable amout of reasons why his wbc count was high. However, prevailing wisdom seems to indicate some sort of bacterial infection or stress. The report also indicates that he has not been eating for some time. Refuses treatment and wants to remain as natrual as possible. Please be reminded that 5 hour energy drinks are not as "natural as possible" ,so he must have changed his mind about being "natural"at some point. Make of it what you will but these are clear behaviorial changes to me, or lies.

Although synthetic fentanyl has been mixed with numoerous amounts of other agents, as of this date, the DEA has not been able to match the composition of the fentanyl pills laced with lidocaine, nor tie it to any distribution network/ manufacturers such as ( Mexican Cartels, China, etc.) Indeed, a rare combination. Nevermind that lidocaine in fact decreases the metabolism rate/effects of fentanyl which to me is pretty damn genius.

Conclusion: Prince hid his decades long usage/addiction pretty well, dosed accordingly, but at some point, got tired and eventually seeded control to the drugs. In a fleeting moment of impulse,(which by all accounts he could have used hydrocodone for this one night), He chose a copious amount of something else.

For me, I swing hard right towards suicide. However, there is a slim thought that he did unintentionally confuse the hydrocodone pills with the deadly fentanyl pills since the markings were somewhat indifferent. I surely could counter that with "Why separate anything"?

[Edited 2/16/19 9:48am]

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Reply #223 posted 02/16/19 12:44pm

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but why ..after the plane incident... would he go and take more.... again????

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Reply #224 posted 02/16/19 2:42pm

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Did Prince consume any Percocets? I may be wrong, but I thought those pills were accounted for and Kirk told emergency officials Percocet cos Kirk was unaware of the pills in the bayer and Alene bottles. Eventually Prince confesses to the Watson pills cos the doc calls bs on the Percocet story.
Menes, do you think Prince already had the Watson pills before Atlanta or he got them in Atlanta?



Menes said:



Menes said:




Menes said:



Speaking of beating a dead horse... back in the saddle!

I have examined this thing to death. A reoccuring engima ,yet many clues to still examine.

1. Page 31 in the NY times report( bullet point 60). Dr. Strobel tells detective that there was hydrocdone in the the urine but not the blood. This is consistent with someone who had a dosage in the last 3-4 days prior to death. This should coincide with the "opiate" found in the analysis from Dr. Schulenberg.

2. She( Dr. Strobel) did not indicate that fentanyl was found in the urine . 80--85% of it is usually excreted through urine. She detected it in the blood,which indicates the time of ingestion per the fentanyl metabolite.

3. On page 32,(bullet point 73) Dr. Strobel indicates that there was no doubt that per the high level of fentanyl in the stomach contents, the fentanyl was orally ingested.

4. So far, we have two opiates to choose from and an interesting choice made by Prince as to when he chose to take either of the two. I might add that these pills did not magically appear on the night of his death. They are there all along, and is consistent with marked indicators for separation. He could have easily reached for more hydrocodone on the eve of his "appointment" if the opiate withdrawal was that bad. There is a reason for the switch and amount that was ingested.





On Page 65( bullet point 48). To me there is a clear indication of withdrawal symtpoms from prolonged usage. Specifically , numbness and tingling below knees (which feels like pins and needles) . Similar symptoms reported in both hands and he does not seem to to be waking up as expected. He(Prince) has not had symptoms like this in the past. These are neuro-transmitters on fire because of withdrawals in my opinion. He leaves for a show the very next day according to the report.



Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?

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Reply #225 posted 02/16/19 3:22pm

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Good to have you back Menes!

yes yes yes

It's been tooooo long!

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Reply #226 posted 02/16/19 3:23pm

Menes

luvsexy4all said:

but why ..after the plane incident... would he go and take more.... again????

Your guess would be as acceptable as any. I have my own speculation which may amount to tits on a bull.

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Reply #227 posted 02/16/19 3:25pm

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PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Hey Penny! Good to see you have kept this alive. I was just getting around to the numerous amounts of fleet enemas found in all of the bathrooms. Which to me, spells opiate-induced constipation to the extreme, as opposed to a one and off use of the dreaded anti-shit blockers. eek

Opiates lock ya up for sure. BUT they do have meds for that specific problem of the opiates blockages.

not generally available to people who are in denial about their addiction, are secretive and controlling and aren't really candid and honest with the medical people they do consult...sarcasm here.

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Reply #228 posted 02/16/19 3:47pm

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PennyPurple said:

Opiates lock ya up for sure. BUT they do have meds for that specific problem of the opiates blockages.

not generally available to people who are in denial about their addiction, are secretive and controlling and aren't really candid and honest with the medical people they do consult...sarcasm here.

Yeah I know but they would've helped him so much, ... if only he would've asked for help.

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Reply #229 posted 02/16/19 3:58pm

Menes

nelcp777 said:

Did Prince consume any Percocets? I may be wrong, but I thought those pills were accounted for and Kirk told emergency officials Percocet cos Kirk was unaware of the pills in the bayer and Alene bottles. Eventually Prince confesses to the Watson pills cos the doc calls bs on the Percocet story. Menes, do you think Prince already had the Watson pills before Atlanta or he got them in Atlanta? Menes said:

Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?

Nelcp777,

This is where is gets a bit murky. The documents do not specifically state whether Kirk gave the percocet to Prince .

The doctor who admonished Prince for insulting her intelligence did so because of the amount of narcan that was needed to revive him . That did not square well with just taking 1-2 percocet pills. She knew he was lying. Kirk also informed the staff that he thought it was just the percocets so we can assume that he may have given Prince the percocet.

As to the second question, I do believe that Prince was in possession of illicit substances prior to to departing from Atlanta .On April 7th when Prince went to see Dr. Schulenberg , he complained of numbness, tingling in his hands and was vomiting the night before. Prince attributed this all to some "soup" he had eaten. When Dr. Schulenberg asked Prince what medications was he taking for the numbness in his hands , Prince stated that he could not remember what it was.

Now, on 4-19, Kirk called Dr.Schulenberg because he was concerned that Prince was using opiates. Prince ( while at the visit) was asking Dr. Schulenberg about opiate withdrawal symptoms while at the same time explaining to Dr. Schulenberg that all he took was some tylenol because he felt "antsy".

In short , if he only copped the watson 853's when he got to Atlanta, that was a very short period of time to have such withdrawal symptoms.

What we have looked at in this forum is the pill that were found in the black bag that he took on the trip. It should tells us more than likely what pill he took or mixed. My guess is that it is the oxycodone pill.This is the same pill in the black bag that was on the hospital surveillance video in Moline and later found on Prince's bed on 4-21 @ PP. That shold square that up.

Now, he either took a shit load of the oxycodone to OD like that , or, he did in fact mix the pills,(combination of percocet and oxycodone). I lean towards the latter. There is no fentanyl to mention at this point, which clearly shows at the very least, some idea of what was what.


[Edited 2/16/19 16:05pm]

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Reply #230 posted 02/16/19 4:03pm

Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Good to have you back Menes!

yes yes yes

It's been tooooo long!

Holaaaaaaa amor! We are back in it. Harder than ever.

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Reply #231 posted 02/16/19 4:34pm

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Menes said:

nelcp777 said:

Did Prince consume any Percocets? I may be wrong, but I thought those pills were accounted for and Kirk told emergency officials Percocet cos Kirk was unaware of the pills in the bayer and Alene bottles. Eventually Prince confesses to the Watson pills cos the doc calls bs on the Percocet story. Menes, do you think Prince already had the Watson pills before Atlanta or he got them in Atlanta? Menes said:

Nelcp777,

This is where is gets a bit murky. The documents do not specifically state whether Kirk gave the percocet to Prince .

The doctor who admonished Prince for insulting her intelligence did so because of the amount of narcan that was needed to revive him . That did not square well with just taking 1-2 percocet pills. She knew he was lying. Kirk also informed the staff that he thought it was just the percocets so we can assume that he may have given Prince the percocet.

As to the second question, I do believe that Prince was in possession of illicit substances prior to to departing from Atlanta .On April 7th when Prince went to see Dr. Schulenberg , he complained of numbness, tingling in his hands and was vomiting the night before. Prince attributed this all to some "soup" he had eaten. When Dr. Schulenberg asked Prince what medications was he taking for the numbness in his hands , Prince stated that he could not remember what it was.

Now, on 4-19, Kirk called Dr.Schulenberg because he was concerned that Prince was using opiates. Prince ( while at the visit) was asking Dr. Schulenberg about opiate withdrawal symptoms while at the same time explaining to Dr. Schulenberg that all he took was some tylenol because he felt "antsy".

In short , if he only copped the watson 853's when he got to Atlanta, that was a very short period of time to have such withdrawal symptoms.

What we have looked at in this forum is the pill that were found in the black bag that he took on the trip. It should tells us more than likely what pill he took or mixed. My guess is that it is the oxycodone pill.This is the same pill in the black bag that was on the hospital surveillance video in Moline and later found on Prince's bed on 4-21 @ PP. That shold square that up.

Now, he either took a shit load of the oxycodone to OD like that , or, he did in fact mix the pills,(combination of percocet and oxycodone). I lean towards the latter. There is no fentanyl to mention at this point, which clearly shows at the very least, some idea of what was what.


[Edited 2/16/19 16:05pm]

Just in case ... the bag on the bed( the same as the one seen on the video in Moline) still had some pills in it.

Now , if we put on our thinking caps for just a minute... that would mean that Prince is aware of the pills in that bag, on his bed, that very night! He did not reach for those pills, but rather, opted for something else in another bottle.

The post mortem analysis clearly states that there was oxycodone (hydrocodone?) in the urine only and not the blood. This meant that it had been at least 3-4 days since he last ingested those. A certain "trigger" caused him to reach for something far more intense and in copious amounts.

Remember ,they are for the most part, separated via different bottles.

Now, the burning question could be this: Did he have the oxycodone all along but picked up/gained possession of the fentanyl laced pills in Atlanta? My opinion is no, but it is something to think about.

[Edited 2/16/19 16:35pm]

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Reply #232 posted 02/16/19 4:42pm

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Menes,
Thanks for your insight.
I apologize in advance for my ignorance or slowness. I have done some casual research about drugs. Most sites state fentanyl stays in the body up to 5 days if ingested orally. Sine the pills are fake, the consistency in composition will be varied. I have read most makers use cement mixers to create the pill mixture. Sorry, I digress.
I thought the withdrawals may have come from dialed. Now, I am not sure. If the withdrawals were from fentanyl in early April, then P procured the pills earlier. This may explain the half pills.
I also read that Prince had fentanyl in his bloodstream and stomach. The latter means his body did not have enough time to process the fentanyl. The bottles looked almost empty in the photos. If I recall, at the hospital, the bottle was described as full. That of course is subjective.
Rigor can start from 2 to 6 hours depending on temp, age and weight.
It is frustrating to figure out. The fentanyl was located in the green room with the exception of the jewelry box in the hat room.
No logic to storage or separation.



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nelcp777 said:


Did Prince consume any Percocets? I may be wrong, but I thought those pills were accounted for and Kirk told emergency officials Percocet cos Kirk was unaware of the pills in the bayer and Alene bottles. Eventually Prince confesses to the Watson pills cos the doc calls bs on the Percocet story. Menes, do you think Prince already had the Watson pills before Atlanta or he got them in Atlanta? Menes said:


Now, it gets a bit intersting as he prepares to leave for the show. A request is made to Dr. Schulenberg by Kirk for a percocet prescription ( for a back injury from lifting up equipment). The call was made on 4-14-2016. The percocet appears to be for Prince ,which begs the question ...If Prince has opiates already, what is the need for a percocet prescription? When and where did Kirk pick up that medication? Was Prince indeed in possession of the percocet in Atlanta? If so, did he mix his "pills" with the percocet that caused the O.D.?




Nelcp777,

This is where is gets a bit murky. The documents do not specifically state whether Kirk gave the percocet to Prince .

The doctor who admonished Prince for insulting her intelligence did so because of the amount of narcan that was needed to revive him . That did not square well with just taking 1-2 percocet pills. She knew he was lying. Kirk also informed the staff that he thought it was just the percocets so we can assume that he may have given Prince the percocet.

As to the second question, I do believe that Prince was in possession of illicit substances prior to to departing from Atlanta .On April 7th when Prince went to see Dr. Schulenberg , he complained of numbness, tingling in his hands and was vomiting the night before. Prince attributed this all to some "soup" he had eaten. When Dr. Schulenberg asked Prince what medications was he taking for the numbness in his hands , Prince stated that he could not remember what it was.

Now, on 4-19, Kirk called Dr.Schulenberg because he was concerned that Prince was using opiates. Prince ( while at the visit) was asking Dr. Schulenberg about opiate withdrawal symptoms while at the same time explaining to Dr. Schulenberg that all he took was some tylenol because he felt "antsy".

In short , if he only copped the watson 853's when he got to Atlanta, that was a very short period of time to have such withdrawal symptoms.

What we have looked at in this forum is the pill that were found in the black bag that he took on the trip. It should tells us more than likely what pill he took or mixed. My guess is that it is the oxycodone pill.This is the same pill in the black bag that was on the hospital surveillance video in Moline and later found on Prince's bed on 4-21 @ PP. That shold square that up.

Now, he either took a shit load of the oxycodone to OD like that , or, he did in fact mix the pills,(combination of percocet and oxycodone). I lean towards the latter. There is no fentanyl to mention at this point, which clearly shows at the very least, some idea of what was what.


[Edited 2/16/19 16:05pm]

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Reply #233 posted 02/16/19 5:10pm

Menes

nelcp777 said:

Menes, Thanks for your insight. I apologize in advance for my ignorance or slowness. I have done some casual research about drugs. Most sites state fentanyl stays in the body up to 5 days if ingested orally. Sine the pills are fake, the consistency in composition will be varied. I have read most makers use cement mixers to create the pill mixture. Sorry, I digress. I thought the withdrawals may have come from dialed. Now, I am not sure. If the withdrawals were from fentanyl in early April, then P procured the pills earlier. This may explain the half pills. I also read that Prince had fentanyl in his bloodstream and stomach. The latter means his body did not have enough time to process the fentanyl. The bottles looked almost empty in the photos. If I recall, at the hospital, the bottle was described as full. That of course is subjective. Rigor can start from 2 to 6 hours depending on temp, age and weight. It is frustrating to figure out. The fentanyl was located in the green room with the exception of the jewelry box in the hat room. No logic to storage or separation. Menes said:

Nelcp777,

This is where is gets a bit murky. The documents do not specifically state whether Kirk gave the percocet to Prince .

The doctor who admonished Prince for insulting her intelligence did so because of the amount of narcan that was needed to revive him . That did not square well with just taking 1-2 percocet pills. She knew he was lying. Kirk also informed the staff that he thought it was just the percocets so we can assume that he may have given Prince the percocet.

As to the second question, I do believe that Prince was in possession of illicit substances prior to to departing from Atlanta .On April 7th when Prince went to see Dr. Schulenberg , he complained of numbness, tingling in his hands and was vomiting the night before. Prince attributed this all to some "soup" he had eaten. When Dr. Schulenberg asked Prince what medications was he taking for the numbness in his hands , Prince stated that he could not remember what it was.

Now, on 4-19, Kirk called Dr.Schulenberg because he was concerned that Prince was using opiates. Prince ( while at the visit) was asking Dr. Schulenberg about opiate withdrawal symptoms while at the same time explaining to Dr. Schulenberg that all he took was some tylenol because he felt "antsy".

In short , if he only copped the watson 853's when he got to Atlanta, that was a very short period of time to have such withdrawal symptoms.

What we have looked at in this forum is the pill that were found in the black bag that he took on the trip. It should tells us more than likely what pill he took or mixed. My guess is that it is the oxycodone pill.This is the same pill in the black bag that was on the hospital surveillance video in Moline and later found on Prince's bed on 4-21 @ PP. That shold square that up.

Now, he either took a shit load of the oxycodone to OD like that , or, he did in fact mix the pills,(combination of percocet and oxycodone). I lean towards the latter. There is no fentanyl to mention at this point, which clearly shows at the very least, some idea of what was what.


[Edited 2/16/19 16:05pm]

Nelcp777,

A few small details I shall share.

Carver county item # 40... (64.5) watson 853's. The contents of the bayer bottle located near Prince's bed.They were tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item # 41... (15) white oblong pils located in tissue near jewelry box . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #112...(49) whole and 3 half pills located in Prince's suitcase in his bedroom with ID (P. bravestrong) . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #115...(27) white oblong pills located in cvs bottle in black suitcase in Prince's bedroom with the Id (P. bravestrong). One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Majority of the pills seemed to have contained fentanyl and lidocaine even though only one of each was tested. The scientist who did the testing explained how she concluded such.

Here's a monkey wrench: Why are these pills (with the fentanyl in it) even in the suitcases or black bag?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:11pm]

[Edited 2/16/19 17:12pm]

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Reply #234 posted 02/16/19 5:34pm

Menes

Menes said:

nelcp777 said:

Menes, Thanks for your insight. I apologize in advance for my ignorance or slowness. I have done some casual research about drugs. Most sites state fentanyl stays in the body up to 5 days if ingested orally. Sine the pills are fake, the consistency in composition will be varied. I have read most makers use cement mixers to create the pill mixture. Sorry, I digress. I thought the withdrawals may have come from dialed. Now, I am not sure. If the withdrawals were from fentanyl in early April, then P procured the pills earlier. This may explain the half pills. I also read that Prince had fentanyl in his bloodstream and stomach. The latter means his body did not have enough time to process the fentanyl. The bottles looked almost empty in the photos. If I recall, at the hospital, the bottle was described as full. That of course is subjective. Rigor can start from 2 to 6 hours depending on temp, age and weight. It is frustrating to figure out. The fentanyl was located in the green room with the exception of the jewelry box in the hat room. No logic to storage or separation. Menes said:

Nelcp777,

A few small details I shall share.

Carver county item # 40... (64.5) watson 853's. The contents of the bayer bottle located near Prince's bed.They were tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item # 41... (15) white oblong pils located in tissue near jewelry box . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #112...(49) whole and 3 half pills located in Prince's suitcase in his bedroom with ID (P. bravestrong) . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #115...(27) white oblong pills located in cvs bottle in black suitcase in Prince's bedroom with the Id (P. bravestrong). One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Majority of the pills seemed to have contained fentanyl and lidocaine even though only one of each was tested. The scientist who did the testing explained how she concluded such.

Here's a monkey wrench: Why are these pills (with the fentanyl in it) even in the suitcases or black bag?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:11pm]

[Edited 2/16/19 17:12pm]

Monkey wrench #2 ... In addition to monkey wrench #1... I noticed that all of the fentanyl /lidocaine pills were in the suitcase but not the black bag which was seen on the video in Moline carried by Kirk.

The black bag which coincides with Carver county item #63 (and was found on Prince's bed), was a yellow pill and was tested. The pill only contained oxycodone. As per my earlier post, it appears that fentanyl was not used during Atlanta.

Food for thought...

Why are all these pills in these traveling bags? Why did they remain in these bags after he got back from Moline an entire week? Did he not unpack anything? What state of mind could he have been in to leave the pills in these bags when he surely knew that there was a possibility that he could have been busted with them? No attempt to hide the pills at all? Thoughts anyone?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:42pm]

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Bodhitheblackd
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Menes said:

Menes said:

Nelcp777,

A few small details I shall share.

Carver county item # 40... (64.5) watson 853's. The contents of the bayer bottle located near Prince's bed.They were tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item # 41... (15) white oblong pils located in tissue near jewelry box . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #112...(49) whole and 3 half pills located in Prince's suitcase in his bedroom with ID (P. bravestrong) . One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Carver county item #115...(27) white oblong pills located in cvs bottle in black suitcase in Prince's bedroom with the Id (P. bravestrong). One pill was tested and contained fentanyl and lidocaine.

Majority of the pills seemed to have contained fentanyl and lidocaine even though only one of each was tested. The scientist who did the testing explained how she concluded such.

Here's a monkey wrench: Why are these pills (with the fentanyl in it) even in the suitcases or black bag?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:11pm]

[Edited 2/16/19 17:12pm]

Monkey wrench #2 ... In addition to monkey wrench #1... I noticed that all of the fentanyl /lidocaine pills were in the suitcase but not the black bag which was seen on the video in Moline carried by Kirk.

The black bag which coincides with Carver county item #63 (and was found on Prince's bed), was a yellow pill and was tested. The pill only contained oxycodone. As per my earlier post, it appears that fentanyl was not used during Atlanta.

Food for thought...

Why are all these pills in these traveling bags? Why did they remain in these bags after he got back from Moline an entire week? Did he not unpack anything? What state of mind could he have been in to leave the pills in these bags when he surely knew that there was a possibility that he could have been busted with them? No attempt to hide the pills at all? Thoughts anyone?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:42pm]

1) re no attempt to hide pills: He was PRINCE, he lived in a bubble of control and privacy (he thought...the mind states of the employees/hangers on tell a different tale) bordering on the absurd. It made no difference to him if the pills were in his travel bag, tangled up in his sheets, a jewelry box, in someone else's name, the laundry room...whatever. The only thing that mattered was that he could access them with relative ease.

He never feared getting popped IMO...he was too deep into his addiction to think about that. Acute constipation, tingling in his extrematies, vomiting (the never-ending 'flu') were his preoccupation at the end...as well as saying goodby with the P&M tours.....being tidy, organized, mindful was not on the agenda. He was DEATHLY ill from his addiction.

2) re the preponderance of Fentanyl and lidocaine speaks to me of a custom order (s) , long time use, a sophisticated attempt to regulate metabolism to enable greater consumption without losing consciousness or at least to preserve the ability to talk, sing, play the piano....

Menes: Welcome back, bro...I'm feeling it's time for someone in the 'inner circle' to talk...needed much more than a Prince twitter account.

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Menes

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

Monkey wrench #2 ... In addition to monkey wrench #1... I noticed that all of the fentanyl /lidocaine pills were in the suitcase but not the black bag which was seen on the video in Moline carried by Kirk.

The black bag which coincides with Carver county item #63 (and was found on Prince's bed), was a yellow pill and was tested. The pill only contained oxycodone. As per my earlier post, it appears that fentanyl was not used during Atlanta.

Food for thought...

Why are all these pills in these traveling bags? Why did they remain in these bags after he got back from Moline an entire week? Did he not unpack anything? What state of mind could he have been in to leave the pills in these bags when he surely knew that there was a possibility that he could have been busted with them? No attempt to hide the pills at all? Thoughts anyone?

[Edited 2/16/19 17:42pm]

1) re no attempt to hide pills: He was PRINCE, he lived in a bubble of control and privacy (he thought...the mind states of the employees/hangers on tell a different tale) bordering on the absurd. It made no difference to him if the pills were in his travel bag, tangled up in his sheets, a jewelry box, in someone else's name, the laundry room...whatever. The only thing that mattered was that he could access them with relative ease.

He never feared getting popped IMO...he was too deep into his addiction to think about that. Acute constipation, tingling in his extrematies, vomiting (the never-ending 'flu') were his preoccupation at the end...as well as saying goodby with the P&M tours.....being tidy, organized, mindful was not on the agenda. He was DEATHLY ill from his addiction.

2) re the preponderance of Fentanyl and lidocaine speaks to me of a custom order (s) , long time use, a sophisticated attempt to regulate metabolism to enable greater consumption without losing consciousness or at least to preserve the ability to talk, sing, play the piano....

Menes: Welcome back, bro...I'm feeling it's time for someone in the 'inner circle' to talk...needed much more than a Prince twitter account.

It amazes me how many people can't see that what you posted above is a profound assessment of the situation .

1. If you tell someone that his extremities were tingling because this is a tell tale sign of withdrawals, they counter with : It's from him playing so long and his hip pain radiated thru his fingers.
2. If you tell someone that Prince was not eating, lost too much weight and was vomiting because of opiate use/withdrawals,they counter with : He never really ate that much/he was always "small framed".
3. If you ask someone how many people do they know with enemas all over the house in conjunction with a shit load of pills all over the house , they counter with : Prince was balancing habits and is a known vegan detox guru.
4. If you ask someone why Prince felt that he needed to lie to any physician who clearly had scientific analsysis and the expertise to know what he was doing, they counter with : He was a private man.
5. If you ask someone why would Prince slam so much junk (7) days after a near death experience, they counter with : It was an accident.
6. If you ask someone what was accidental about the first near death experience , they counter with :someone must've slipped him something else (at the direction of Smiling Judas).
7. If you ask someone if they thought Prince committed suicide, they counter with : Prince was too spiritual for that. The list goes on.

A common practice for those in denial is to make the fundamental mistake of believing that a vast amount of evidence is in fact false . Ask the loved ones of those who were addicted and are now gone.

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Reply #237 posted 02/16/19 7:49pm

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Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

1) re no attempt to hide pills: He was PRINCE, he lived in a bubble of control and privacy (he thought...the mind states of the employees/hangers on tell a different tale) bordering on the absurd. It made no difference to him if the pills were in his travel bag, tangled up in his sheets, a jewelry box, in someone else's name, the laundry room...whatever. The only thing that mattered was that he could access them with relative ease.

He never feared getting popped IMO...he was too deep into his addiction to think about that. Acute constipation, tingling in his extrematies, vomiting (the never-ending 'flu') were his preoccupation at the end...as well as saying goodby with the P&M tours.....being tidy, organized, mindful was not on the agenda. He was DEATHLY ill from his addiction.

2) re the preponderance of Fentanyl and lidocaine speaks to me of a custom order (s) , long time use, a sophisticated attempt to regulate metabolism to enable greater consumption without losing consciousness or at least to preserve the ability to talk, sing, play the piano....

Menes: Welcome back, bro...I'm feeling it's time for someone in the 'inner circle' to talk...needed much more than a Prince twitter account.

It amazes me how many people can't see that what you posted above is a profound assessment of the situation .

1. If you tell someone that his extremities were tingling because this is a tell tale sign of withdrawals, they counter with : It's from him playing so long and his hip pain radiated thru his fingers.
2. If you tell someone that Prince was not eating, lost too much weight and was vomiting because of opiate use/withdrawals,they counter with : He never really ate that much/he was always "small framed".
3. If you ask someone how many people do they know with enemas all over the house in conjunction with a shit load of pills all over the house , they counter with : Prince was balancing habits and is a known vegan detox guru.
4. If you ask someone why Prince felt that he needed to lie to any physician who clearly had scientific analsysis and the expertise to know what he was doing, they counter with : He was a private man.
5. If you ask someone why would Prince slam so much junk (7) days after a near death experience, they counter with : It was an accident.
6. If you ask someone what was accidental about the first near death experience , they counter with :someone must've slipped him something else (at the direction of Smiling Judas).
7. If you ask someone if they thought Prince committed suicide, they counter with : Prince was too spiritual for that. The list goes on.

A common practice for those in denial is to make the fundamental mistake of believing that a vast amount of evidence is in fact false . Ask the loved ones of those who were addicted and are now gone.

I know I've said it many times on this thread, but I'll say it again because it's such a valuable human teaching and truth:

DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

[Edited 2/16/19 19:53pm]

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Reply #238 posted 02/17/19 3:33am

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Menes said:

It amazes me how many people can't see that what you posted above is a profound assessment of the situation .

1. If you tell someone that his extremities were tingling because this is a tell tale sign of withdrawals, they counter with : It's from him playing so long and his hip pain radiated thru his fingers.
2. If you tell someone that Prince was not eating, lost too much weight and was vomiting because of opiate use/withdrawals,they counter with : He never really ate that much/he was always "small framed".
3. If you ask someone how many people do they know with enemas all over the house in conjunction with a shit load of pills all over the house , they counter with : Prince was balancing habits and is a known vegan detox guru.
4. If you ask someone why Prince felt that he needed to lie to any physician who clearly had scientific analsysis and the expertise to know what he was doing, they counter with : He was a private man.
5. If you ask someone why would Prince slam so much junk (7) days after a near death experience, they counter with : It was an accident.
6. If you ask someone what was accidental about the first near death experience , they counter with :someone must've slipped him something else (at the direction of Smiling Judas).
7. If you ask someone if they thought Prince committed suicide, they counter with : Prince was too spiritual for that. The list goes on.

A common practice for those in denial is to make the fundamental mistake of believing that a vast amount of evidence is in fact false . Ask the loved ones of those who were addicted and are now gone.

I know I've said it many times on this thread, but I'll say it again because it's such a valuable human teaching and truth:

DENIAL IS THE STRONGEST HUMAN EMOTION.

[Edited 2/16/19 19:53pm]

Thank you. That is all I will say.

Welcome home class. We've come a long way. - RIP Prince
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Reply #239 posted 02/17/19 11:33am

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kirk has the answers to the pill fiascos and is not being "forced" to reveal

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