Yes did see this and its very sad, he had more left in him.
On the subject of Prince, he indeed was also an athlete and performing the way he did with the same injury is unbelievable.
I played soccer for many years and all the injuries are causing issues later on now in life, truly frustrating and can relate.
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I don't want to sound elitist but I have wondered if this investigation had taken place in a major city such as: New York, Los Angeles or Chicago if the outcome would have different. The major cities I mention have large homicide divisions and should be better suited to handle a high profile death.
To my knowledge, the shredding was mentioned by Omar to the police and is thirdhand information which may be why LE chose not to pursue this. | |
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thta's a whole new thread on the recent book released. Totally agree with you...Carver County seemed totally inept & way out of their depth. Can't imagine Meron B, Phaedra or Kirky J being allowed to call the shots as they did. Noted that Meron B is all over insta' now with her modelling pics. | |
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I think it's the Author trying to make us think. Sounds like he has talked to Kiran. | |
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Perhaps the releasing of documents is a last ditch effort to get more leads (not that many original were followed up on thoroughly). I think the criminal case is lost. At this point, the family should pursue a civil case against at a minimum, Kirk, Phaedra and Meron, not for remedies but for deposition purposes alone. That is really the only shot they have to get them to talk. | |
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As much as I wish that it would happen, it's doubtful...they still have at least Kirk on their payroll. I don't know if Phaedra is still working for them or not. | |
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There 'may be a reason' the family will not press charges against them. I don't think these 3 were the only complicit actors. | |
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That's very true. | |
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I agree. Look at his fam | |
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So he's still posting on FB but can't answer my questions? Interesting... | |
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Yeah, IKR.....he cut and ran.
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Why is he (author) radio silent now when he was so interested in communicating 2 weeks ago?
And, I agree re: Kiran.
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From what I gather people were giving him a hard time and he said he wanted his life back...?? | |
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There are 2 things that I can not explain. 1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm. 2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.
Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace. | |
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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Yep. You are correct! It got too hot in the kitchen for him. So he ran away. | |
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I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful. Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.
This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.
#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.
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Dna testing of the clothing would resolve the cleanup and depress issue. But like so many things, that was not done. As for the bed, I always got the vibe Prince did not sleep, but may have laid back in it while on the laptop. peggyon said:
I think you have interesting points about #1 in particular. I was reluctant to bring this up as I thought some orgers would be obstructive and/or have difficulty dealing with the graphic nature of this, but it is my understanding that those who die from an opiate OD, often have what is called a 'foam cone' around the nose/mouth. (Not same as vomit). It is foamy material that originates in the lungs and is caused by pulmonary edema while someone is dying. (Can google, it is disturbing, so be careful. Also, there is often urine/feces evident from relaxation of sphincters.
This is why I think he may have been cleaned up and redressed and perhaps moved. His rigor was fairly mild. LE could have cleaned him up too before pics.
#2 The turn down of the bed clothes does seem a bit excessive and could have been someone else pulling the covers back.
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Roby78 said: There are 2 things that I can not explain. 1 = the body of those who die of overdose expels urine and faeces and from the mouth comes out of the foamy liguido. K I can understand that the liguido from the mouth can be vomit in the mouth .... but the urine and feces? Even if he had really been in the elevator for 4 or 5 hours at high temperature and had dried out there would always be the halo of the edge of the urine thing that his pants did not have. Not to mention that after all those hours the rigor of mortis would be on the whole body and not only on the arm. 2 = nobody has noticed anything strange in what would be his bed? I sleep in a double bed and when I get up I do not pull the blankets down like that, half the blankets remain almost intact. I tried to rehearse and the only way to get the bed like that is for me to stand up and pull the bed down even with a single gesture.
Another thing that I never understood (and I've already said in the past) is why nobody was persecuted for breaking the seals they had put in the toast room on the 21st?In my part is considered tampering with evidence and intrigue investigation, in america?Sorry excuse the poccolo but these things do not go right down 'also because' show that the police has cared of the case, and 'as if the only thing they wanted was to close the matter as soon as possible, and maybe It is precisely for this reason that there are people like me who can not make peace. Whether you urinate or defecate when you die depends first on how much stuff is in your GI and urinary system when you die. If someone died shortly after urinating and defecating, then no, nothing extra will go out. On the other hand, if you are on the toilet and die right before doing your business, then yes, it probably will come out when you die. | |
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I am going to try and make a point then I will leave this thread as I am one that doesn't like the direction these threads always go. Firstly, my sympathies to Tomas on the loss of your son. I recently experienced a similar loss and completely understand the desire to keep a loved one's memory alive, and the pain of basically being abandoned in your despair. I wish I didn't know what you are going through as this isn't a club anyone wants to join. I share June7's opinion about grieving and support an individual's journey thru the grief process, but I do not believe that is the motive for the folks heavily involved in these threads. Personally, I would be mortified and deeply hurt/offended by people discussing the details of my loved one's passing. You will have to forgive me for being insulted that people here are trying to pass off diving nose first into none of their business as "grieving". Please. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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First, thank you for your sympathies, means a lot to me. Today, well 5 minutes ago, so yesterday was a year, and it's been tough.
Also, I appreciate your comment regarding the thread. It was cordial and written with class - no flaming or creating drama (though that last sentence was borderline ).
I somewhat agree with you that not all the talk in here is specifically grieving, some are actually piecing together the events of that horrible day. The thing is, you can't really and truly know if their process is NOT grieving. Everyone handles grief in different ways. There's no way to list all of the ways people work when dealing with grief, and I'm not licensed in any way to consider which is what, or who is allowed to grieve and who isn't.
However, having said that, the thread is titled, "The Prince Death & Investigation Thread" which should make it obvious that what's discussed in this thread is both. I know some people who consider talking about it, any of it, is carthartic. I am not one to disagree or agree - just offer the venue.
I'm sorry you're insulted, and I'm also sorry you feel it improper to discuss this here, but, you're wrong about it not being our business - this whole site is about Prince's business and it has made it a point to get into every aspect of his life (and now death) for all this time.. The family has accepted this as fact when they inclluded us in their arrangements of services at special venues, dedications in the program for his funeral, special access interviews to family members and as a sounding board, etc. They recognize we are the formost unofficial fansite and we are so honored to be so for over 23 years. Not one of them have contacted us with a request to please cease this discussion. But, again, I appreciate your thoughts on this, and hope if you continue to post in this thread, that you continue to do so as you did today. - Thank you, June7 / Tomás
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That's exactly what I meant, I'm happy to see that someone thinks like me | |
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sorry if I disagree with you but I talked to a coroner (friend of my cousin) who has been doing this job for 30 years, I showed him the pictures and he assured me that those are not the clothes he died with and that the body is always liquid, I also explained that maybe not ate for days and he replied that it does not matter the body creates liquid that then expels in the first 2 hours of death, and does so through the rectum and urine . if any of you have the chance to hear other specialized voices about it I would be very pleased | |
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So basically it would be soiled where he was found? The bed sheets did not look soiled, and they didn't look like they were changed because of the pill they found in the sheets. | |
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exactly what the doctor told me | |
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Penny, I recall seeing pics in the original Carver County files of 'soiled' white sheets(yellowish/brown staining) discarded along with Fleet enema bottles in the dumpster out back...there was even talk on previous threads if DNA from those sheets had been tied to PRN. Maybe an armload or two of such material was dumped as part of a general post mortem clean up of the death scene. I think the silence was/is bc people are afraid of being criminally charged with tampering with the scene of a 'crime'...It may take a while but, IMO, someone will eventually talk... [Edited 1/13/19 14:39pm] | |
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