Mikado said:

Releasing the original versions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always will attract a lot of the wrong attention, and I doubt we want journalists nosing through Prince's romantic history...

don't bet on them not including those. them lyrics will kick up a storm in a few places
and as far as the companies are concerned, all publicity is publicity is numbers up.

and as far as we're concerned, you know we want these in even better quality than we
have now.

Revolution81 said:

rdhull said:

I’ve been around forever and nobody ever mentioned having studio Fathers Song or studio Electric Intercourse

Sure, they did. U even posted on at least one thread on here at the time. I suppose when u are as old as forever your memory can get a bit hazy

IstenSzek said:

rdhull said:

TwiliteKid said:

[Edited 2/19/19 8:32am]

Mindbells9 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Yeah, I call bullshit.

I mean, the songs are out now, so there is no way to prove I had them before But, as we all know, just because something isn't mentioned or discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist

Absolutely RIGHT !

Question > about the possible release Reissue of 1999 ...are u aware of unreleased Studio stuff (alternative versions/outtakes...) never mentionned by anyone until now ??

thanx 4 ur possible reply

IstenSzek said:

Mikado said:

Releasing the original versions of Extraloveable and Lust U Always will attract a lot of the wrong attention, and I doubt we want journalists nosing through Prince's romantic history...

don't bet on them not including those. them lyrics will kick up a storm in a few places
and as far as the companies are concerned, all publicity is publicity is numbers up.

and as far as we're concerned, you know we want these in even better quality than we
have now.

That those songs would either not be released or released but edited is what I'm afraid of, ESPECIALLY in today's 'me too' environment. I want to hear those, along with the earlier version of Possessed, unedited and in studio quality.

Im speaking specidically about studio Fathers Song and Elec Inter. Im not saying that nobody had them (I dont think they did though) but if they did, I never herd anyone ever mention having or someone having those two songs. Others yeah ...

I would be ok if they edited extraloveable to edit at 6:03....edit out until 6:45.

I think the release schedule needs to pick up some pace.

I would prefer:

1. original album remastered

2. outtakes, demos, alt versions

3. 12 inch, 7inch

4. soundboards of a few shows

Mindbells9 said:

rdhull said:

You had EC and Fathers Song? And Im not talking about you taped it on cassette from the movie way bck when and then trick-bagged it on janky home studio production etc.

Not EC, I had We Can Fuck and Father's Song. The same versions on PR Deluxe, I had in similar quality for a few years before they were officially released. EC was completely new to me.

You also had “Love and Sex” and the ‘84 vocal version of “Possessed”?

To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.

jaawwnn said:

To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.

Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon
1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

IstenSzek said:

jaawwnn said:

To celebrate the zero news about this release i'm listening to 1999 The New Master. Thanks everyone, you did this.

Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon
1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

This is the party of the century!

[Edited 2/19/19 11:46am]

jaawwnn said:

IstenSzek said:

Armageddon is headin', lethal rap weapon
1-9-9-9 people keep steppin'

This is the party of the century!

soladeo1 said:

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center

Moonbeam Levels with the piano ending fade-in!

Mindbells9 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Yeah, I call bullshit.

I mean, the songs are out now, so there is no way to prove I had them before But, as we all know, just because something isn't mentioned or discussed, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist

But those two songs were big and popular in the canon and wer always mentioned. I just shocked that nobody ever mentioned they had them stuio versions. Not even Timmy mentioned them when the live or movie versions were disucssed

I mean we all knew they must have existed esp for him to have performed EI live, there must have been a studio one that begat the live perfromances.

TheSilentMikey said:

Mindbells9 said:

TheSilentMikey said:

You also had “Love and Sex” and the ‘84 vocal version of “Possessed”?

Yes, I had those as well. As I said, only Electric Intercourse, Katrina, and that particular mix of The Dance Electric were totally new to me.

Well, Mindbells, tell this old azz/us what else ya got lol

It it contains Purple Music, I will buy it

soladeo1 said:

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center

You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

"A-u-t-o-matic. Just tell me what to do"

JorisE73 said:

soladeo1 said:

Conjecture: 1999 Deluxe Remaster??? As a first swag, how does this look?? CD1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Horny Toad Extralovable You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Irresistible Bitch Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloomington, MN Met Center

You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

You already posted that on a previous thread : http://prince.org/msg/7/452178

And accordingh to some you're missing some obvious essentials.

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.

Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

JorisE73 said:

databank said:

Those tracklists don't make much sense at all anyway, because fans can only do them based on:

1/ already circulating outtakes (that should not be all such a release contains if the Estate does their homework)

2/ random titles of songs that are known to exist but haven't been heard (talk about a blind guess!)

Such an exercise lacks precisely what a curator would need to do: a thorough examination of all the available material and recording dates, a sense of historicity regarding what might constitute the most important recordings, a cohesive selection followed by a proper sequencing, not to mention the quality of the tapes and the fact that the product must be appealing to a larger audience than the most hardcore fans.

Same with the shows: if all the shows from a given tour are available. The choice of the show has to follow some sense of quality and historicity (typically in that case, the show that was to become the Second Coming film would make more sense drom a historical perspective, as it was the closest to Prince's original intent, but their might be sound quality issues involved, or another show could be significantly better).

So we can make all the wishlists we want, but those tracklists cannot possiblky reflect what the project should be if it's going to be any good. Not that CD2 on PR Deluxe was well sequanced or necessarily the best possible songs selection, mind you, but hopefully they'll do better next time.

Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

I don't even know how they can do this (except digitally where they could virtually publish everything), because there are often many versions and edits of a single song. An approach could be to take the last known edit/mix of each track (within the given timeframe, not counting later reworks or rerecordings) and consider it as Prince's final intent, but in some cases that might mean renouncing a mindblowing longer mix in favor of a shorter edit, and there's the problem of vocals by other artists recorded after prince's own vocals, so the rule must be flexible and that's if they actually have everything properly dated.

.

Another factor to be taken in consideration is that simple rule of music marketing which is that once a release is out, it will never get the publicity again so if you release it all at once, you lose exposure by comparison to releasing it over the course of several years (typically, unsigned artists are encouraged to release an album track by track instead of all at once, for that very same reason).

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And then again there might be a wish to curate, i.e. select the best tracxks for a given set, trying to come-up with cohesive over comprehensive.

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I really have no idea what they intend to do in the long run, obviously no one does, and I also don't have any idea of what would be the best approach, because as a fan I want everything but I'm not sure which would be the best way to organize those sets, and I know that many people, including fans, are not interested in every single note the way I am. But if we want everything, given that even here on a Prince fans forum of all places, some fans already complain about the single edits "wasting CD space", "everything" can only be done NPGMC-style.

databank said:

JorisE73 said:

Fully agree. I'm honestly more interested in a straight remaster with only a extra disk with the 7" and 12" versions and b-sides and a full seperate archival set containig only discs filled chronologiacally with outtakes/demos/alternate versions from a specific album/era. In this example a set of everything recorded after the release of Controversy up to the release of 1999.

I don't even know how they can do this (except digitally where they could virtually publish everything), because there are often many versions and edits of a single song. An approach could be to take the last known edit/mix of each track (within the given timeframe, not counting later reworks or rerecordings) and consider it as Prince's final intent, but in some cases that might mean renouncing a mindblowing longer mix in favor of a shorter edit, and there's the problem of vocals by other artists recorded after prince's own vocals, so the rule must be flexible and that's if they actually have everything properly dated.

.

Another factor to be taken in consideration is that simple rule of music marketing which is that once a release is out, it will never get the publicity again so if you release it all at once, you lose exposure by comparison to releasing it over the course of several years (typically, unsigned artists are encouraged to release an album track by track instead of all at once, for that very same reason).

.

And then again there might be a wish to curate, i.e. select the best tracxks for a given set, trying to come-up with cohesive over comprehensive.

.

I really have no idea what they intend to do in the long run, obviously no one does, and I also don't have any idea of what would be the best approach, because as a fan I want everything but I'm not sure which would be the best way to organize those sets, and I know that many people, including fans, are not interested in every single note the way I am. But if we want everything, given that even here on a Prince fans forum of all places, some fans already complain about the single edits "wasting CD space", "everything" can only be done NPGMC-style.

Well, it seems a digital archive would be most efficient regarding everything, and that could be updted when new recordings are found, but this is something that would never happen. This would be like a digital veriosn of his vault which everyone could access. That would be a pipedream.