Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

or he put what he knew would be a fatal dose of Fent. into his body another way...had to...bc he was vomiting from being dope sick and he wanted it to be his last dose...he threw up a little on the panel, slid down and lost consciousness...it was almost instantaneous...

Didn’t they swab his face neck and hands, if he invested Another way wouldn’t that show on his hands?

They did, but I can't find which results are which on the results documents. The results are in the Zipfile 5 Search Warrants and such around page 93+.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it was Menes who calculated that it wasn't instant. Didn't the stomach contents have fentanyl?

Stomach contents contained fentanyl yet no undidested pills. Pretty sure he would’ve died BEFORE the entire illicit pill digested

The Fentanyl was in his blood per the autopsy results.

The percocets and vicodin were in his urine per the autopsy.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said: Stomach contents contained fentanyl yet no undidested pills. Pretty sure he would’ve died BEFORE the entire illicit pill digested

The Fentanyl was in his blood per the autopsy results.

The percocets and vicodin were in his urine per the autopsy.

No Fent. in vomit...Fent. in blood only...suppository...almost instant absorption...no chance of vomiting up the fatal dose you put in your body and wanted to stay in your body...(I know I'm like a broken record...but the picture IS pulling into focus.)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Fentanyl was in his blood per the autopsy results.

The percocets and vicodin were in his urine per the autopsy.

I get what you’re saying, but how could it not be in the stomach contents (which I will have to look- swore I read that) if the ME determined “the fatal dose was taken orally”. That’s the only way TO determine that. My confusion is IF that is a fact, I can’t see the pill/pills completely digesting before death occurred, unless it wasn’t a pill and something is amiss with the ME’s statement (?) ETA: unless there was nothing in the stomach due to vomit found in his airway and nothing was left in the stomach? Which would indicate fentanyl in the vomit? Still confused if that is the case and if the vomit in airway was same as on elevator panel, why was no narcotic found on the swab? [Edited 7/16/18 1:09am]

The ME said it was in the stomach contents, she wanted to know about sprays or liquids found at the scene then she called back and said it was in the stomach, so it wasn't in liquid form.

Zip 5, investigative reports Page 39 Item # 72 & 73.

Extremely high levels of fentanyl in the stomach contents left no doubt that Prince was ingesting it in pill form.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Zip 5, investigative reports Page 39 Item # 72 & 73.

Extremely high levels of fentanyl in the stomach contents left no doubt that Prince was ingesting it in pill form.

Thanks for finding that, Penny

thanks Penny...pills liquified in the smoothies he asked the chef to prepare?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

thanks Penny...pills liquified in the smoothies he asked the chef to prepare?

Thoughts on being absorbed through the mouth and tissue under the tontongue Letting the pills dissolve in the mouth. Like nitroglycerin tabs

would only work if Fent had been cut with lidocaine...Fent. would burn mucosal tissues...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

sorry, haven't been following, where was it said that the vomit on the elevator was tested?

PeteSilas said:

precioux said:

PeteSilas said:

sorry, haven't been following, where was it said that the vomit on the elevator was tested?

Facedown posted exactly where a couple of pages back- 26 A&B on search warrants. It’s there

ok, thanks, i'll look later.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Zip 5, investigative reports Page 39 Item # 72 & 73.

Extremely high levels of fentanyl in the stomach contents left no doubt that Prince was ingesting it in pill form.

In these same docs, #23- “fluid splashed on the wall”(of elevator)- detective made “a mental note to have this area photographed and a swab taken of the substance on the wall”. This sounds fresh to me and not something that had been neglected to be cleaned in the recent past. And since vomit was found in Prince’s airway, I’m assuming it was the same substance on the wall. High contents of fentanyl in stomach, but no trace on the wall still doesn’t add up. ETA: #43 “I learned the substance on the wall of the elevator had been photographed, but not swabbed “.... Hmm.. but yet later it states “no narcotic found”- was testing/swab done at a later time and it had been too long to detect narcotics.. this is nuts...and trying to put together what goes to what is another animal. There was an item that did test for hydrocodone..trying to match it up with what it belongs to .ugh [Edited 7/16/18 13:27pm]

They went back a couple of days later and swabbed the elevator. It was swabbed and is somewhere in the documents.

It doesn't make sense, why there is not narcs in that vomit.

PeteSilas said:

sorry, haven't been following, where was it said that the vomit on the elevator was tested?

AND

WHere does it state the the Fluid on the walls of the elevator WAS Actually VOMIT ???????????????

THat has been ASSUMED throughout this thread but WHO SAID IT WAS...???

THAT FLUID was tested...NO FENTANYL PRESENT

there for

since we are assuming and assuming..

Im gonna assume that Fluid was NOT VOMIT....

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

sorry, haven't been following, where was it said that the vomit on the elevator was tested?

AND

WHere does it state the the Fluid on the walls of the elevator WAS Actually VOMIT ???????????????

THat has been ASSUMED throughout this thread but WHO SAID IT WAS...???

THAT FLUID was tested...NO FENTANYL PRESENT

there for

since we are assuming and assuming..

Im gonna assume that Fluid was NOT VOMIT....

I agree. I think it was an assumption that P had vomit in his mouth therefore any liquid found near him was vomit that came from him. Too many assumptions...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

AND

WHere does it state the the Fluid on the walls of the elevator WAS Actually VOMIT ???????????????

THat has been ASSUMED throughout this thread but WHO SAID IT WAS...???

THAT FLUID was tested...NO FENTANYL PRESENT

there for

since we are assuming and assuming..

Im gonna assume that Fluid was NOT VOMIT....

I agree. I think it was an assumption that P had vomit in his mouth therefore any liquid found near him was vomit that came from him. Too many assumptions...

THIS. They made mistakes, they wasted time, they didn't interview some people......they simply didn't really care (at least so it seems).

When I read the files I was shocked about two things: 1. What kind of people did he have around in his last years? 2. That's the worst police work I've ever come across.

There were a lot of moments where you could really say that Kirk was lying, but one really stood out to me and that was when they asked him about the medics against anxiety or something. He at first said he got them for Prince but can't remember the name (okay that's possible), but he then said, he has them at home and then when they asked further questions he said, he probably threw them away.

I don't remember everything, but did they talk about them medics in the docs? Did they actually say where they were found? Was it true what KJ said?

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

sorry, haven't been following, where was it said that the vomit on the elevator was tested?

AND

WHere does it state the the Fluid on the walls of the elevator WAS Actually VOMIT ???????????????

THat has been ASSUMED throughout this thread but WHO SAID IT WAS...???

THAT FLUID was tested...NO FENTANYL PRESENT

there for

since we are assuming and assuming..

Im gonna assume that Fluid was NOT VOMIT....

Exactly!

Zipfile 5, investigative documents page 51 #87

On 4/25 when they collected the computer they also swabbed the elevator fluid after realizing that it had not been done.

#88 On 4/21 Sgt. Meier had observed an area in the elevator near the button bar as 'wet'.

[Edited 7/16/18 16:58pm]

PennyPurple said:

Zipfile 5, investigative documents page 51 #87

On 4/25 when they collected the computer they also swabbed the elevator fluid after realizing that it had not been done.

#88 On 4/21 Sgt. Meier had observed an area in the elevator near the button bar as 'wet'.

[Edited 7/16/18 16:58pm]

Thank you!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Lovejunky said:

AND

WHere does it state the the Fluid on the walls of the elevator WAS Actually VOMIT ???????????????

THat has been ASSUMED throughout this thread but WHO SAID IT WAS...???

THAT FLUID was tested...NO FENTANYL PRESENT

there for

since we are assuming and assuming..

Im gonna assume that Fluid was NOT VOMIT....

I agree. I think it was an assumption that P had vomit in his mouth therefore any liquid found near him was vomit that came from him. Too many assumptions...

It was NOT an assumption that P had vomit in his mouth, that is documented...like I said, it was found in 'his airways'

[Edited 7/16/18 17:08pm]