ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh stop with the Russian BS.

I think these people are just trolling, they can't be serious

Well Trump is meeting with the Russians, maybe he can ask Putin who killed Prince.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I guess U didn't watch the news when Prince transitioned. The WHOLE WORLD was grieving even more so then when MJ passed away. Prince was ALWAYS apart of American culture and reverenced by virtually EVERY real artist.

Actually, I agree with you totally. Prince was (and hopefully still is) a big part of American culture and of course he was revered by true artists...I just don't think he had the power or influence or earning power (which translates to cultural power) that he did around the time of Purple Rain or even SOTT. Care to argue against that thesis?

[This has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. Stay on track snip - luv4u]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...though IMO, it's hysterical that some people think Prince was a factor, power or even known to a large degree in Russian culture or society. Come on folks, he wasn't even that critically relevant in the last few years of his life in American culture. Sadly.

I guess U didn't watch the news when Prince transitioned. The WHOLE WORLD was grieving even more so then when MJ passed away. Prince was ALWAYS apart of American culture and reverenced by virtually EVERY real artist.

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idk, I remember MJ's passing being a waaay bigger deal in the mainstream back when it happened. Obviously people were shocked about Prince and mourned his passing, and Prince had a better reputation overall so there were less jokes about him when it happened, but the MJ stuff was seemingly everywhere for a while. The general public moved on from the Prince thing relatively quickly.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Actually, I agree with you totally. Prince was (and hopefully still is) a big part of American culture and of course he was revered by true artists...I just don't think he had the power or influence or earning power (which translates to cultural power) that he did around the time of Purple Rain or even SOTT. Care to argue against that thesis?

Thousands turn out for Prince's 'Rally 4 Peace' benefit concert.

Fans line up outside Royal Farms Arena before Prince's Rally 4 Peace concert in Baltimore

Prince's "Rally 4 Peace" benefit concert took place at Baltimore's Royal Farms Arena May 10, 2015. Little over a year after he transitionined into his afterlife.

Huh? May 10, 2015 He was still alive.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Thousands turn out for Prince's 'Rally 4 Peace' benefit concert.

Fans line up outside Royal Farms Arena before Prince's Rally 4 Peace concert in Baltimore

Prince's "Rally 4 Peace" benefit concert took place at Baltimore's Royal Farms Arena May 10, 2015. Little over a year after he transitionined into his afterlife.

Huh? May 10, 2015 He was still alive.

details, details.....BTW, that silk screen of him has never been used after his death...

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Oh stop with the Russian BS.

I think these people are just trolling, they can't be serious

Hello. Sorry, I did not mean to upset anyone. When use of Fentanyl as a spray was mentioned in Post 1445, I was reminded of the posting in the conspiracy thread in the weeks after P passed. As it seemed to be a possibility at the time of posting, and I did not recall or see that it was dismissed as a possibility, I thought that it might be a stone that was unturned in the investigation.

have to agree, mj was famous infamous, loved hated and everything in between. It was huge and began a somewhat brief MJ forgivenness where the media and the public acted like there was never a question over whether he was a molestor. It was so big it crashed the net. Prince was shocking and big but no way was it like MJ, he never sought that kind of fame except for the PR era

frylo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I guess U didn't watch the news when Prince transitioned. The WHOLE WORLD was grieving even more so then when MJ passed away. Prince was ALWAYS apart of American culture and reverenced by virtually EVERY real artist.

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idk, I remember MJ's passing being a waaay bigger deal in the mainstream back when it happened. Obviously people were shocked about Prince and mourned his passing, and Prince had a better reputation overall so there were less jokes about him when it happened, but the MJ stuff was seemingly everywhere for a while. The general public moved on from the Prince thing relatively quickly.

frylo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I guess U didn't watch the news when Prince transitioned. The WHOLE WORLD was grieving even more so then when MJ passed away. Prince was ALWAYS apart of American culture and reverenced by virtually EVERY real artist.

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idk, I remember MJ's passing being a waaay bigger deal in the mainstream back when it happened. Obviously people were shocked about Prince and mourned his passing, and Prince had a better reputation overall so there were less jokes about him when it happened, but the MJ stuff was seemingly everywhere for a while. The general public moved on from the Prince thing relatively quickly.

ONLY because Muhammad Ali passed shortly afterwards.

PeteSilas said:

have to agree, mj was famous infamous, loved hated and everything in between. It was huge and began a somewhat brief MJ forgivenness where the media and the public acted like there was never a question over whether he was a molestor. It was so big it crashed the net. Prince was shocking and big but no way was it like MJ, he never sought that kind of fame except for the PR era

frylo said:

idk, I remember MJ's passing being a waaay bigger deal in the mainstream back when it happened. Obviously people were shocked about Prince and mourned his passing, and Prince had a better reputation overall so there were less jokes about him when it happened, but the MJ stuff was seemingly everywhere for a while. The general public moved on from the Prince thing relatively quickly.

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che777x said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Great post Facedown....There was also the smart water bottle on the night stand not sure if the contents of the water were tested. Someone a while back also wondered about the fentanyl possibly in a spray form. His face was damp, possibly cleaned some will say due to the vomit but it may have been wiped clean due to fentanyl residue from a spray.

The mention of the possible use of fentanyl as a spray, brings to the mind postings in the Prince curiosities -gossip, conspiracies, groomings hearsay and... thread ( https://prince.org/msg/7/...&pg=32 ) (Posts 930, 937, 943, 947) about a possible Russian connection. Someone posted regarding a mention on the Adrian Crutchfield podcast that Prince had performed for a Russian billionaire. There were also posts that P had planned to perform for Russian dissidents later that year, and that three Russian men with briefcases went to Paisley Park on the night of 4/20. NBC did an article on 6/2/16 ( https://www.nbcnews.com/n...rs-n584961 ) referencing P’s death from Fentanyl and the accidental killing of Russian theatergoers with a spray containing a form of Fentanyl in the same article. Was this investigated? It makes you wonder …

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Think the brief autopsy report or somewere in the investigative report it says Prince had vomit in his mouth or throat.

Prince referred to the side of PP where he slept as "his side of town". Few people would have regularly been in "his" side of the building.

Meron and KJ say P can lock that side down but they can get in through the garage I think.

Meron or KJ says cleaners are only there when Meron is there.

I am sure if there was vomit P would ask Meron to have the cleaners clean it.

The death scene is very much one where Prince vomits while he is standing and then dies. (You don't have to vomit on your clothes when you vomit. Anyway his clothes are on backward. That could have been done after he laid down. And then there are some colourful P type clothes in a garbage bag in a bathroom. A person could have removed these and put him back in the black clothes he wore that day. His bed is turned down, so it is possible he had tried to rest and get some sleep, but unlikely.)

And why did KJ send a test message to Dr S showing the stairs in the NGP club around 10pm on 20160420 and then another text asking Dr S to ignore the text message.

Who was KJ sending this to?

Possibly security guard Shawn Powell who some say found P dead in the middle of the night, and supporting the idea that KJ and Meron already knew P was dead before the arrived after 9am 20160421.

OR maybe it was sent to the nasty guys in suits?? (do nasty guys in suits have to be Russian?)

I also don't know where he got a clean opiate before 20160420 - hydrocone in his blood work - because most of the Watson 853 in the bottles scattered around are the counterfeit type with fentanyl (except the one stored away in a duffle bag - see my health post on pg 34).

What time did Kirk claim he left Paisley and are we sure the stairs picture was taken at 10 pm the night Prince died. Could he have taken it earlier (and it was stored in his phone) and then accidently sent it from another location at 10 pm? I have started texts and gotten pictures loaded onto to them but then didn't send them until hours later. Also where did the stories about Russians with briefcases and P performing for Russian dissidents come from? No source--it can't be taken seriously.

facedown20160421 said:

che777x said:

The mention of the possible use of fentanyl as a spray, brings to the mind postings in the Prince curiosities -gossip, conspiracies, groomings hearsay and... thread ( https://prince.org/msg/7/...&pg=32 ) (Posts 930, 937, 943, 947) about a possible Russian connection. Someone posted regarding a mention on the Adrian Crutchfield podcast that Prince had performed for a Russian billionaire. There were also posts that P had planned to perform for Russian dissidents later that year, and that three Russian men with briefcases went to Paisley Park on the night of 4/20. NBC did an article on 6/2/16 ( https://www.nbcnews.com/n...rs-n584961 ) referencing P’s death from Fentanyl and the accidental killing of Russian theatergoers with a spray containing a form of Fentanyl in the same article. Was this investigated? It makes you wonder …

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[Edited 7/14/18 10:30am]

Think the brief autopsy report or somewere in the investigative report it says Prince had vomit in his mouth or throat.

Prince referred to the side of PP where he slept as "his side of town". Few people would have regularly been in "his" side of the building.

Meron and KJ say P can lock that side down but they can get in through the garage I think.

Meron or KJ says cleaners are only there when Meron is there.

I am sure if there was vomit P would ask Meron to have the cleaners clean it.

The death scene is very much one where Prince vomits while he is standing and then dies. (You don't have to vomit on your clothes when you vomit. Anyway his clothes are on backward. That could have been done after he laid down. And then there are some colourful P type clothes in a garbage bag in a bathroom. A person could have removed these and put him back in the black clothes he wore that day. His bed is turned down, so it is possible he had tried to rest and get some sleep, but unlikely.)

And why did KJ send a test message to Dr S showing the stairs in the NGP club around 10pm on 20160420 and then another text asking Dr S to ignore the text message.

Who was KJ sending this to?

Possibly security guard Shawn Powell who some say found P dead in the middle of the night, and supporting the idea that KJ and Meron already knew P was dead before the arrived after 9am 20160421.

OR maybe it was sent to the nasty guys in suits?? (do nasty guys in suits have to be Russian?)

I also don't know where he got a clean opiate before 20160420 - hydrocone in his blood work - because most of the Watson 853 in the bottles scattered around are the counterfeit type with fentanyl (except the one stored away in a duffle bag - see my health post on pg 34).

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facedown20160421 said:

Think the brief autopsy report or somewere in the investigative report it says Prince had vomit in his mouth or throat.

Prince referred to the side of PP where he slept as "his side of town". Few people would have regularly been in "his" side of the building.

Meron and KJ say P can lock that side down but they can get in through the garage I think.

Meron or KJ says cleaners are only there when Meron is there.

I am sure if there was vomit P would ask Meron to have the cleaners clean it.

The death scene is very much one where Prince vomits while he is standing and then dies. (You don't have to vomit on your clothes when you vomit. Anyway his clothes are on backward. That could have been done after he laid down. And then there are some colourful P type clothes in a garbage bag in a bathroom. A person could have removed these and put him back in the black clothes he wore that day. His bed is turned down, so it is possible he had tried to rest and get some sleep, but unlikely.)

And why did KJ send a test message to Dr S showing the stairs in the NGP club around 10pm on 20160420 and then another text asking Dr S to ignore the text message.

Who was KJ sending this to?

Possibly security guard Shawn Powell who some say found P dead in the middle of the night, and supporting the idea that KJ and Meron already knew P was dead before the arrived after 9am 20160421.

OR maybe it was sent to the nasty guys in suits?? (do nasty guys in suits have to be Russian?)

I also don't know where he got a clean opiate before 20160420 - hydrocone in his blood work - because most of the Watson 853 in the bottles scattered around are the counterfeit type with fentanyl (except the one stored away in a duffle bag - see my health post on pg 34).

First off, If the security guard found Prince in the middle of the night, why not call 911? The security guard is KJ's nephew.

Judith confirmed that he wore his clothes backwards, that's not unusual. Nobody changed his clothes. The clothes that were found in the trash were ugly, that's probably why they were in the trash. LOL

The bed was probably unmade for sometime, doesn't look like he had any housekeeping staff, by the looks of things.

Not only did he have hydro codone in his blood work, he had hydro morphone in his blood work also, which like Precioux said, where did the morphone come from, because it wasn't found anywhere else.

I don't believe the guy in suits BS.

SkipperLove said:

What time did Kirk claim he left Paisley and are we sure the stairs picture was taken at 10 pm the night Prince died. Could he have taken it earlier (and it was stored in his phone) and then accidently sent it from another location at 10 pm? I have started texts and gotten pictures loaded onto to them but then didn't send them until hours later. Also where did the stories about Russians with briefcases and P performing for Russian dissidents come from? No source--it can't be taken seriously.

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KJ and Meron left between 10:00pm and 11:00pm.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

What time did Kirk claim he left Paisley and are we sure the stairs picture was taken at 10 pm the night Prince died. Could he have taken it earlier (and it was stored in his phone) and then accidently sent it from another location at 10 pm? I have started texts and gotten pictures loaded onto to them but then didn't send them until hours later. Also where did the stories about Russians with briefcases and P performing for Russian dissidents come from? No source--it can't be taken seriously.

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KJ and Meron left between 10:00pm and 11:00pm.

That's what they "said"--here's why:

1. When Ray Roberts was interviewed, he was asked what was going on when he got there on 4/20. He said KJ and Meron were in discussion because he had showed up early and Prince wanted his privacy, when Roberts left, he said the discussion was about concern for Prince's health and of basically who was going to be watching Prince throughout the night, KJ and Meron were discussing shifts.

2. When Dr.S is questioned, KJ had texts/ called him around 11 pm 4/20, to which Dr.S did not return until 8 am 4/21-when he contacted KJ asking if he was "still in town", KJ's reply was "I'm HERE, waiting for Prince to wake up so that I can give him something to take the edge off".

I personally would take that as KJ was at PP. shady MF'ers

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HERE, I assume, is in town. Taking the edge off is probably the anti-withdrawal or anti-anxiety meds that Kirk supposedly still had in his own possession.

Is there any other proof about "shifts" than what Ray said? A couple possibilties..Ray is lying. OR they did discuss shifts but one of them said "fvck it" I am going home and didn't stay for their shift (if that is the case, I suspect Meron since she cried the most when he was found--probably out of guilt). Or they did see find him dead that night (I suspect of a suicide) and wanted to cover it up because a suicide looks bad considerng his publically stated religious beliefs. (the last possibility jells with what Susan Rogers said she heard from his later associates about Prince being 'done' and with TYka's cryptic crap.)

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

KJ and Meron left between 10:00pm and 11:00pm.

That's what they "said"--here's why:

1. When Ray Roberts was interviewed, he was asked what was going on when he got there on 4/20. He said KJ and Meron were in discussion because he had showed up early and Prince wanted his privacy, when Roberts left, he said the discussion was about concern for Prince's health and of basically who was going to be watching Prince throughout the night, KJ and Meron were discussing shifts.

2. When Dr.S is questioned, KJ had texts/ called him around 11 pm 4/20, to which Dr.S did not return until 8 am 4/21-when he contacted KJ asking if he was "still in town", KJ's reply was "I'm HERE, waiting for Prince to wake up so that I can give him something to take the edge off".

I personally would take that as KJ was at PP. shady MF'ers

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PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

What time did Kirk claim he left Paisley and are we sure the stairs picture was taken at 10 pm the night Prince died. Could he have taken it earlier (and it was stored in his phone) and then accidently sent it from another location at 10 pm? I have started texts and gotten pictures loaded onto to them but then didn't send them until hours later. Also where did the stories about Russians with briefcases and P performing for Russian dissidents come from? No source--it can't be taken seriously.

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KJ and Meron left between 10:00pm and 11:00pm.

I found what is probably the source for the poster's post regarding the russians. This website admits that they publish "controversial stories and issues ignored by mainstream media." They also admit that many of their stories are regarded as conspiracy theories. There are two articles here. One references russians with briefcases, the other speaks of the concert, and what may be truth or exaggerations of P's career and other accomplishments.

https://web.archive.org/w...ll-prince/

https://web.archive.org/web/20160501234859/http://www.someonesbones.com:80/blog/prince-poisoned-the-final-conclusion/

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^^^^

ThatWhiteDude said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^^^

I'm sorry I had to

precioux said:

STOP IT!!! I almost pissed my pants... ThatWhiteDude said:

^^^^

So any ideas yet, on how the vomit was narcotic free, but the stomach contents were not?

PennyPurple said:

So any ideas yet, on how the vomit was narcotic free, but the stomach contents were not?

he was dope sick...entered the elevator with the INTENT that it would end there...vomited a little on the panel...took a dose of Fent which he knew in advance would be his last...slid to the floor, lost consciousness...and died. His plan. His timeline. In control to the end.

PennyPurple said:

So any ideas yet, on how the vomit was narcotic free, but the stomach contents were not?

The only thing I can come up with right now is that he probably got sick before he took the pill. Maybe a withdrawal symptom.

So he swallowed with out water, waited up to 5 minutes in the elevator to die? And there were narcs in his system the day before according to the UA.

PennyPurple said:

So he swallowed with out water, waited up to 5 minutes in the elevator to die? And there were narcs in his system the day before according to the UA.

or he put what he knew would be a fatal dose of Fent. into his body another way...had to...bc he was vomiting from being dope sick and he wanted it to be his last dose...he threw up a little on the panel, slid down and lost consciousness...it was almost instantaneous...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

So he swallowed with out water, waited up to 5 minutes in the elevator to die? And there were narcs in his system the day before according to the UA.

or he put what he knew would be a fatal dose of Fent. into his body another way...had to...bc he was vomiting from being dope sick and he wanted it to be his last dose...he threw up a little on the panel, slid down and lost consciousness...it was almost instantaneous...

I think it was Menes who calculated that it wasn't instant. Didn't the stomach contents have fentanyl?

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

or he put what he knew would be a fatal dose of Fent. into his body another way...had to...bc he was vomiting from being dope sick and he wanted it to be his last dose...he threw up a little on the panel, slid down and lost consciousness...it was almost instantaneous...

I think it was Menes who calculated that it wasn't instant. Didn't the stomach contents have fentanyl?

I thought that too

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

or he put what he knew would be a fatal dose of Fent. into his body another way...had to...bc he was vomiting from being dope sick and he wanted it to be his last dose...he threw up a little on the panel, slid down and lost consciousness...it was almost instantaneous...

I think it was Menes who calculated that it wasn't instant. Didn't the stomach contents have fentanyl?

OK: he was dope sick, entered the elevator, threw up a little, retreived the fatal dose of Fent. and took same...then REENTERED the elevator and died...no matter how you look at it, he entered the elevator on his own feet and by choice (he could have gotten sick or taken an intentional OD in his beloved Studio A...or in his own bed) but I believe the 'elevator' was deeply personal and symbolic.