ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

Judith tried telling Phaedra what really happened on the plane and Phaedra blew her off. Phaedra had a sister who was an addict and went to Dr. K's clinic for help. Phaedra knew, I'm sure KJ told Phaedra what happened on the plane too. Phaedra still brushed it off.

And I can't help but thinking if her thoughts went something like this: "Maybe, if I wait long enough, he'll kick the bucket." She saw her chance in his misery. Wasn't she the one who sold his songs to spotify? She's an opportunist.

Yes, she is. The worst kind.

ThatWhiteDude said:

It's clear to me P had real meds and yes someone did bring in the fake laced pills to kill him.
And Phaedra calling in Dr Ks clinic..let's not forget Andrew brought in misc. pills in baggies. That is such an obvious set up.
Prince went to Dr S on the 20th and was about to get test results someone did not want to be found out. P could have asked for more pain meds that night if he wanted to but instead he was concerned about how he was feeling.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Come on, Prince isn't all innocent in this case. He knew exactly where that pills were coming from. Did people around him enable it? Yes. And I believe 100% that Kirk, Marron and Phaedra bought them pills when Prince asked them to do and they should've been charged for that. But I highly doubt that someone killed him on purpose, if that's what you're implying.

It's clear to me P had real meds and yes someone did bring in the fake laced pills to kill him. And Phaedra calling in Dr Ks clinic..let's not forget Andrew brought in misc. pills in baggies. That is such an obvious set up. Prince went to Dr S on the 20th and was about to get test results someone did not want to be found out. P could have asked for more pain meds that night if he wanted to but instead he was concerned about how he was feeling.

Why is that an obvious set up? Not one officer stated that they believe someone was plotting to kill him. They whole thing was to find the person who bought the pills, they also wanted to find the source when finding out who exactly bought them. But they fucked up a few things and that's why they didn't find out. If you realize that "this is an obvious set up" then I'm sure the cops would've noticed that too and I believe they are allowed to keep them in costudy or whatever if they thought someone purposly killed him.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And I can't help but thinking if her thoughts went something like this: "Maybe, if I wait long enough, he'll kick the bucket." She saw her chance in his misery. Wasn't she the one who sold his songs to spotify? She's an opportunist.

Yes, she is. The worst kind.

I still can't believe had surrounded himself with people like her.

ThatWhiteDude said:

His death is a homicide.
They intentionally brought in look alike pills to fool him, my guess is just in case he looked at his meds before he took them....cuz he didn't trust many.
It seems the LE caught on a bit late...bothers me some refused to speak they are guilty and selfish.
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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Why is that an obvious set up? Not one officer stated that they believe someone was plotting to kill him. They whole thing was to find the person who bought the pills, they also wanted to find the source when finding out who exactly bought them. But they fucked up a few things and that's why they didn't find out. If you realize that "this is an obvious set up" then I'm sure the cops would've noticed that too and I believe they are allowed to keep them in costudy or whatever if they thought someone purposly killed him.

His death is a homicide. It seems the LE caught on a bit late...bothers me some refused to speak they are guilty and selfish.

No it is not. Buying pills off the black market is a crime and enough reason to refuse to talk to the police.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Come on, Prince isn't all innocent in this case. He knew exactly where that pills were coming from. Did people around him enable it? Yes. And I believe 100% that Kirk, Marron and Phaedra bought them pills when Prince asked them to do and they should've been charged for that. But I highly doubt that someone killed him on purpose, if that's what you're implying.

It's clear to me P had real meds and yes someone did bring in the fake laced pills to kill him. And Phaedra calling in Dr Ks clinic..let's not forget Andrew brought in misc. pills in baggies. That is such an obvious set up. Prince went to Dr S on the 20th and was about to get test results someone did not want to be found out. P could have asked for more pain meds that night if he wanted to but instead he was concerned about how he was feeling.

Maybe you need to start a thread on conspiracies cause this is a thread about the investigation.

What were the real meds P had? The scripts KJ got him, that were barely touched? The pills Andrew brought has been identified, nothing he brought would kill P, and Andrew never even saw P alive.

The tests that Dr. S brought was the UA and bloodwork, which the bloodwork hadn't been tested for fentanyl at the time the results were ready. The UA showed codene and morphone in his system.

It has been explained time and time again, that you never know what you are going to get when you buy drugs off the street from a dealer. If he would've taken the pills that KJ got for him from Dr. S and Dr. Boo he wouldn't probably have died that day. But nooo he took the pills that he had in his stash.

It's coming to light that P had a long time drug problem. It was an open secret between the ASSociates.

precioux said:

purplefam99 said:

yes i thought i would throw that in there for fun. takes all types right!!?

And learn how to quote while you’re at it. You’re the math scholar who miraculously came up with “4/21 add up to 7”- not I. That being said, I’ll play your “game”, and raise you one..on Princes 60th birthday this year, he was gone 777 days [Edited 7/11/18 15:52pm]

i was just joking around with the math. sorry didn't mean to quote you, was on my phone and it keeps locking up

when i try to reply on it. my apologies.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

precioux said: And 4/21 add up to 7.

^^That seems like the math done by conspiracy theorists.

TWD, yes i was just joking with the 7 business, no offense was taken. couldn't reply in orgnotes.

best!

ThatWhiteDude said:

Are you speaking of these prank calls? I thought that was Baker on the other side?

SkipperLove said:

There are actually Prince friends who thought John was lovely when they met him (Elisa FIorillo, Jill JOnes, Anna Fantastic etc). I don't know maybe Prince was ashamed of his OD and didn't let his dad back in his life. The telephone story still pisses me off but who knows maybe the conversation in the phone booth went badly and his dad changed his mind about P returning. Not a justification, just a nuance.

i can't listen to that enough!!!! those calls crack me up everytime!!!

precioux said:

purplefam99 said:

yes i thought i would throw that in there for fun. takes all types right!!?

And learn how to quote while you’re at it. You’re the math scholar who miraculously came up with “4/21 add up to 7”- not I. That being said, I’ll play your “game”, and raise you one..on Princes 60th birthday this year, he was gone 777 days [Edited 7/11/18 15:52pm]

^^ see it's fun!!

purplefam99 said:

okay

purplefam99 said:

Yeah These calls are really funny 😂

PennyPurple said:

FACT- P died from a laced fentanyl pill, not any of his meds.

No conspiracy....i don't know why ANYOne would defend the people that are responsible for P no longer being here. They got the fake look alike pills Prince did not. Again...
P went on his own to a dr and a chiropractor for pain and meds. Sadly it's all in the first pages on this thread...The only thing Prince did wrong was keep those a$$ociates around.
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They are kind of funny but the step dad one got a bit intense. The step father sounded a like pretentious jerk. I know P was kind of entraping him (so maybe it doesn't reflect well on him either) but for this guy (who supposedly expected Prince to pay for the house he and his mother lived in) to dog on and generalize about all his step-son's music to a supposed stranger and then say that he raised him (he ran away from home at 12 and was in out of the house even before that..MRs. Anderson raised him more than that jackass ever did).--well, I can see why Prince wasn't fond of him sometimes.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

i can't listen to that enough!!!! those calls crack me up everytime!!!

Yeah These calls are really funny 😂

They must have really hated his guts to murder him. What does that say about Prince's likability that a man he knew 30 years wanted his butt dead. I refuse to believe that he was hated that much unless there is irrefutable evidence and there is none. If there were, the cops would at least suspect foul play. Prince knew he had some street drugs, probably got them because doctors started going more by the book to avoid being the next Conrad Murray, his associates may or may not have procured them upon his order or they just turned a blind eye to P's taking petty cash and getting them himself, the dose he took was high but not high enough for the cops to really focus on his three employees. I would sooner think the drug manufacturer wanted him dead or didn't care about what was in the pills than that any direct employee (even with WB connections and sticky fingers) was brazen enough and evil enough to kill a legend. . That's where i stand and I am not budging unless a smoking gun appears.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Maybe you need to start a thread on conspiracies cause this is a thread about the investigation.

What were the real meds P had? The scripts KJ got him, that were barely touched? The pills Andrew brought has been identified, nothing he brought would kill P, and Andrew never even saw P alive.

The tests that Dr. S brought was the UA and bloodwork, which the bloodwork hadn't been tested for fentanyl at the time the results were ready. The UA showed codene and morphone in his system.

It has been explained time and time again, that you never know what you are going to get when you buy drugs off the street from a dealer. If he would've taken the pills that KJ got for him from Dr. S and Dr. Boo he wouldn't probably have died that day. But nooo he took the pills that he had in his stash.

It's coming to light that P had a long time drug problem. It was an open secret between the ASSociates.

FACT- P died from a laced fentanyl pill, not any of his meds. No conspiracy....i don't know why ANYOne would defend the people that are responsible for P no longer being here. They got the fake look alike pills Prince did not. Again... P went on his own to a dr and a chiropractor for pain and meds. Sadly it's all in the first pages on this thread...The only thing Prince did wrong was keep those a$$ociates around. [Edited 7/11/18 21:38pm]

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SkipperLove said:

They must have really hated his guts to murder him. What does that say about Prince's likability that a man he knew 30 years wanted his butt dead. I refuse to believe that he was hated that much unless there is irrefutable evidence and there is none. If there were, the cops would at least suspect foul play. Prince knew he had some street drugs, probably got them because doctors started going more by the book to avoid being the next Conrad Murray, his associates may or may not have procured them upon his order or they just turned a blind eye to P's taking petty cash and getting them himself, the dose he took was high but not high enough for the cops to really focus on his three employees. I would sooner think the drug manufacturer wanted him dead or didn't care about what was in the pills than that any direct employee (even with WB connections and sticky fingers) was brazen enough and evil enough to kill a legend. . That's where i stand and I am not budging unless a smoking gun appears.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said: FACT- P died from a laced fentanyl pill, not any of his meds. No conspiracy....i don't know why ANYOne would defend the people that are responsible for P no longer being here. They got the fake look alike pills Prince did not. Again... P went on his own to a dr and a chiropractor for pain and meds. Sadly it's all in the first pages on this thread...The only thing Prince did wrong was keep those a$$ociates around. [Edited 7/11/18 21:38pm]

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No one Hated Prince

Everyone who ever met him, loved him and continued to love him.

However , his Princely ways were a serious threat to the WHole recording Industry as we Know it.

Prince was leading a movement of Artists who were working for themselves. FREEDOM

Record Companies would have become redundant within 10 years under his Reign

Just think about it

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Come on, Prince isn't all innocent in this case. He knew exactly where that pills were coming from. Did people around him enable it? Yes. And I believe 100% that Kirk, Marron and Phaedra bought them pills when Prince asked them to do and they should've been charged for that. But I highly doubt that someone killed him on purpose, if that's what you're implying.

It's clear to me P had real meds and yes someone did bring in the fake laced pills to kill him. And Phaedra calling in Dr Ks clinic..let's not forget Andrew brought in misc. pills in baggies. That is such an obvious set up. Prince went to Dr S on the 20th and was about to get test results someone did not want to be found out. P could have asked for more pain meds that night if he wanted to but instead he was concerned about how he was feeling.

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

FACT- P died from a laced fentanyl pill, not any of his meds. No conspiracy....i don't know why ANYOne would defend the people that are responsible for P no longer being here. They got the fake look alike pills Prince did not. Again... P went on his own to a dr and a chiropractor for pain and meds. Sadly it's all in the first pages on this thread...The only thing Prince did wrong was keep those a$$ociates around. [Edited 7/11/18 21:38pm]

Fact P died from an illegal pillS that was bought off the street. It has never been proven where he got those at. So who are 'they'? I don't believe anybody here, especially me, have held up for those ASSociates. P finally made the decision to go to Dr. S, but only after being prodded to go see a Dr. the pain symptoms that P said he had wasn't anything major.

No what Prince did wrong was taking the pain pills that he KNEW he did NOT have a prescription for and he KNEW they were not obtained legally.

Many people here have valid points. Back in 2014, a Rolling Stone staffer interviewed Prince (an interview which was not published until after he died). The journo said 20-somethings were running his business, PP was in some disrepair, and Prince was ... well, he was the same trippy, on-his-own- planet Prince that had existed for years. He fought Warner Brothers, he fought for his creative rights, he paved the way for the rights of other artists, and in the end he got what? Who was there FOR HIM? Personally and professionally, who was there for him without his or her hand out for money?

I still don't think this death was as simple as a bad batch of pills; I believe he knew what he had and he took them deliberately. What did he have to live for? His music was no longer important to the masses, his body was breaking down, he had an addiction he couldn't kick on his own, he may have had a chronic illness, money was not coming in, and ... we don't know if he had love in his life. Yes, JH says she was his girl, but who knows? I mean real love. Someone who wanted him as a person and not as a commodity. What did he need to stick around for ...

If the Moline incident wasn't a sign that drastic measures should have taken place in what he was doing legally or illegally he was obviously living on the edge and who knows for how long.....for all we know he may have had a spiritual experience when he died on that plane and this could have contributed to his final decision in the end, deliberate or not.

Prince has made many references in the past about not being afraid to die.

SkipperLove said:

They said it was withdrawal symptoms. At the time, withdrawal would have been considered an action. We don't know all the fine details. We don't know entirely what people did or didn't do between 2010 and his death. Or What prince did or didn't do. The reports paint a picture of a problem, but its still sketchy due to the fact that the entirety of this staff over the years wasn't interviewed.

Prince was an eccentric rock star and none of these people were addiction experts, except for doctors and none of them were interviewed.

littlemissG said:

You know after Prince walked thru Paisley Park naked complaining it was too hot. That was action time, instead, it was he be ok tomorrow and business as usual. What can yo possible tell yourself about a person that drug dependent that who not make you fearful he would die soon?

Opioids can make you feel extremely overheated, especially if the dose was too strong. I've had it happen to me, where the medication suddenly made my entire body flush with heat. It's an incredibly terrible feeling. I went to a George Clinton concert at the HOB in LA (99/00 era) and was on pain medication at the time. The combination of the pain pills and the heat from the close bodies in the audience really did a number on me, and I ended up fainting. I just remember suddenly feeling like I was way too hot and was working my out of the crowd to go outside and get cooled down, when I fainted. I had not taken more medication than was prescribed, was not in the midst of an overdose. Nor was I withdrawing. But trust, if I felt like I could have stripped down in that moment to get cooled down, I probably would have!

1Sasha said:

Oh my gosh, this is so sad...and if it was true that someone intentionally did this to him, this is exactly what the murderer would hope people would think. The perfect crime! I just don't know if the people around him would have been able to pull it off (they couldn't have known the cops would be so lax).

I think he died from neglect, choosing the wrong "friends", and hiring people who would enable him, the same kind of people who could stand around and watch him die (and call for help at the last minute to make it look like they gave a shit).

Camileyun said:

Oh my gosh, this is so sad...and if it was true that someone intentionally did this to him, this is exactly what the murderer would hope people would think. The perfect crime! I just don't know if the people around him would have been able to pull it off (they couldn't have known the cops would be so lax). I think he died from neglect, choosing the wrong "friends", and hiring people who would enable him, the same kind of people who could stand around and watch him die (and call for help at the last minute to make it look like they gave a shit).

And to think that Prince fans are following the ASSociates around like they are the best thing ever. I refuse to support any of them. If we don't give them attention and $$ maybe they'll just go away and make a living on their own merits.

Camileyun said:

1Sasha said:

Many people here have valid points. Back in 2014, a Rolling Stone staffer interviewed Prince (an interview which was not published until after he died). The journo said 20-somethings were running his business, PP was in some disrepair, and Prince was ... well, he was the same trippy, on-his-own- planet Prince that had existed for years. He fought Warner Brothers, he fought for his creative rights, he paved the way for the rights of other artists, and in the end he got what? Who was there FOR HIM? Personally and professionally, who was there for him without his or her hand out for money?

I still don't think this death was as simple as a bad batch of pills; I believe he knew what he had and he took them deliberately. What did he have to live for? His music was no longer important to the masses, his body was breaking down, he had an addiction he couldn't kick on his own, he may have had a chronic illness, money was not coming in, and ... we don't know if he had love in his life. Yes, JH says she was his girl, but who knows? I mean real love. Someone who wanted him as a person and not as a commodity. What did he need to stick around for ...

Oh my gosh, this is so sad...and if it was true that someone intentionally did this to him, this is exactly what the murderer would hope people would think. The perfect crime! I just don't know if the people around him would have been able to pull it off (they couldn't have known the cops would be so lax). I think he died from neglect, choosing the wrong "friends", and hiring people who would enable him, the same kind of people who could stand around and watch him die (and call for help at the last minute to make it look like they gave a shit).

thank you for stating this with such sensitivity and insight...

PennyPurple said:

Is that true, that P fans are holding up these people?

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

And to think that Prince fans are following the ASSociates around like they are the best thing ever. I refuse to support any of them. If we don't give them attention and $$ maybse they'll just go away and make a living on their own merits.

Is that true, that P fans are holding up these people?

Just look at the Associated Artist forum, or the Concert forum. The Rev's shows have been posted. Would anybody really know who they were, except for the Prince fans? Look at Kirk Johnson, who would really know who he is, if it weren't for Prince, yet here he is on the road playing Prince's music, and still at PP as an employee. BrownMark is going around saying that he choreographed Purple Rain and When Doves Cry. It's right there in black and white on his facebook page. And don't even get me started on Sheila E.

PennyPurple said:

While riding Ps coattails may be unseemly to some, I give some of those people a pass for the sole reason that they weren't in his "present" world to see how bad things had gotten, he wouldn't take their calls, so what could they reasonably do to help him?...except for Kirk Johnson. Anyone supporting that guy either hasn't read the investigation report, or feel in some way, they also turned a blind eye and think they have no room to judge.

PennyPurple said:

Wow, I didn't know that about BrownMark...he must have had people banging down his door to choreograph their projects, and made a good living in that field!!

I think if people don't want to, say, attend to the recent concerts the Revolution members or the NPG or Andre Cymone, because they feel they're taking advantage of P's death, that's totally their right to do (as I said before, I personally enjoyed seeing the Revolution last year and appreciated the opportunity come together with P fans to to keep P's music alive by people who actually had a hand in its origins, but I understand it's not for everyone).

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I think, though, that boycotting these people and everyone else that P ever had a professional or personal relationship with because they in some way contributed to P's death by not properly intervening or whatever is quite a stretch. Most of thse folks had very little active contact with him for years, even decades. I for one am not going to hold them responsible for P's choices.

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Frankly I wouldn't really assign blame to anyone else for P's problems unless that person actively enabled in the last stage of his life (by either procuring stuff for him ilegally or by intentionally establishing an evironment where P's drug problems could flourish).

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

Just look at the Associated Artist forum, or the Concert forum. The Rev's shows have been posted. Would anybody really know who they were, except for the Prince fans? Look at Kirk Johnson, who would really know who he is, if it weren't for Prince, yet here he is on the road playing Prince's music, and still at PP as an employee. BrownMark is going around saying that he choreographed Purple Rain and When Doves Cry. It's right there in black and white on his facebook page. And don't even get me started on Sheila E.

While riding Ps coattails may be unseemly to some, I give some of those people a pass for the sole reason that they weren't in his "present" world to see how bad things had gotten, he wouldn't take their calls, so what could they reasonably do to help him?...except for Kirk Johnson. Anyone supporting that guy either hasn't read the investigation report, or feel in some way, they also turned a blind eye and think they have no room to judge.

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