paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

I think we can all agree on this, but I also believe he'd still be here if not for the inaction of the people in the know around him. I realize some don't want to go there, but the fact remains, three people watched a man drown and only threw him a line when he went under. Not to act is to act. Who cares what P. wanted at that point? - there were only a few in the position to help him, he was not going to help himself. Why not call Recovery Without Walls on April 16 or 17 or 18 or 19? What made Phaedra finally make the call when just days before she was blowing off the severity of the situation? If y'all don't want to hold anyone accountable for what happened to P., other than P., to each his own. He was an addict and needed help. Make the call, he's drowning!!!!

What life would that leave him with? Not being able to work? No life at all, I would think.

Prince was more moving his life toward social activism...He was in a search for a place in his next cycle in life in social change. He was NOT planning on going anywhere soon.

Camileyun said:

precioux said:

Disch, I can respect your line of thinking. For me, I don't believe in coincidences.period.

Yes, P. said he didn't believe in coincidences, either. Two od.s and a song about a death - not your basic interesting P. stuff.

So you think it was suicide? The police said it wasn't even tho Judith said there's a 50% chance that it was and he OD'd. OD's usually are suicides, except if someone got poisoned or didn't know what they're taking was laced with something that shouldn't be in the pills they're taking or if they're addicted and just have no controll over the amount they're taking (heroin addicts as an example). The second one happened to Prince, simple as that. Okay, Prince knew they were from the black market so taking them anyways is kind of suicidal.

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I knew that Prince would had a scar on his hip. But his left lower knee.

ThatWhiteDude said:

2004Fan said:

purplefam99 said:

2004Fan said:

Yes, April 21, 1996, I believe...

Ok thx 2004fan so soon after he got married.

I read in Mayte's book that she met with his father and that he told Prince that he'd visit them again and Mayte said she never saw John again and that Prince overdosed shortly after John's visit. :/

precioux said:

purplefam99 said:

precioux said:

Nope. It's the truth.

furthermore:

4/21/85(?) -original recording of Sometimes it Snows in April

4/21/96- OD

4/21/18-Final OD

..coincidence?

And 4/21 add up to 7.

^^That seems like the math done by conspiracy theorists.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:

Man :/ yep

Is drinking yourself into a stupor on red wine and throwing up considered an OD?

He also took pills, aspirin. He took four a day because of his heart palpatations and he mixed them with wine on that day. I think one person even said that throwing up probably saved his life.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

precioux said: And 4/21 add up to 7.

^^That seems like the math done by conspiracy theorists.

yes i thought i would throw that in there for fun. takes all types right!!?

I thought I read that he was taken to the hospital and his stomach was pumped. Did I imagine that?

ThatWhiteDude said:

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said: Is drinking yourself into a stupor on red wine and throwing up considered an OD?

He also took pills, aspirin. He took four a day because of his heart palpatations and he mixed them with wine on that day. I think one person even said that throwing up probably saved his life.

Yes they did. Mayte said they did everything that's routine when one OD's

SkipperLove said:

I thought I read that he was taken to the hospital and his stomach was pumped. Did I imagine that?

ThatWhiteDude said:

He also took pills, aspirin. He took four a day because of his heart palpatations and he mixed them with wine on that day. I think one person even said that throwing up probably saved his life.

What was that about? She and P saw John only once. And he overdosed after the one meeting. What was going on with that relationship. Why didn't John come around after his son OD'd. Did he even try?

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I read in Mayte's book that she met with his father and that he told Prince that he'd visit them again and Mayte said she never saw John again and that Prince overdosed shortly after John's visit. :/

Man :/ yep

She said Prince told her that John wanted to visit again, but that never happened. I doubt that John really cared about his kids. I mean, he was the guy who threw Prince out of the house and didn't allow him to come back even after Prince apologized as John wanted him to.

SkipperLove said:

What was that about? She and P saw John only once. And he overdosed after the one meeting. What was going on with that relationship. Why didn't John come around after his son OD'd. Did he even try?

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Man :/ yep

There are actually Prince friends who thought John was lovely when they met him (Elisa FIorillo, Jill JOnes, Anna Fantastic etc). I don't know maybe Prince was ashamed of his OD and didn't let his dad back in his life. The telephone story still pisses me off but who knows maybe the conversation in the phone booth went badly and his dad changed his mind about P returning. Not a justification, just a nuance.

ThatWhiteDude said:

She said Prince told her that John wanted to visit again, but that never happened. I doubt that John really cared about his kids. I mean, he was the guy who threw Prince out of the house and didn't allow him to come back even after Prince apologized as John wanted him to.

SkipperLove said:

What was that about? She and P saw John only once. And he overdosed after the one meeting. What was going on with that relationship. Why didn't John come around after his son OD'd. Did he even try?

Are you speaking of these prank calls? I thought that was Baker on the other side?

SkipperLove said:

There are actually Prince friends who thought John was lovely when they met him (Elisa FIorillo, Jill JOnes, Anna Fantastic etc). I don't know maybe Prince was ashamed of his OD and didn't let his dad back in his life. The telephone story still pisses me off but who knows maybe the conversation in the phone booth went badly and his dad changed his mind about P returning. Not a justification, just a nuance.

ThatWhiteDude said:

She said Prince told her that John wanted to visit again, but that never happened. I doubt that John really cared about his kids. I mean, he was the guy who threw Prince out of the house and didn't allow him to come back even after Prince apologized as John wanted him to.

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

Prince called from a phone booth when he was pleading with his dad to let him come back, I believe. The prank call was to his step father who (without knowing it apparently) insulted his music and said it was bad for kids..(ironically, it didn't stop him from taking his money.)

ThatWhiteDude said:

Are you speaking of these prank calls? I thought that was Baker on the other side?

SkipperLove said:

There are actually Prince friends who thought John was lovely when they met him (Elisa FIorillo, Jill JOnes, Anna Fantastic etc). I don't know maybe Prince was ashamed of his OD and didn't let his dad back in his life. The telephone story still pisses me off but who knows maybe the conversation in the phone booth went badly and his dad changed his mind about P returning. Not a justification, just a nuance.

SkipperLove said:

Prince called from a phone booth when he was pleading with his dad to let him come back, I believe. The prank call was to his step father who (without knowing it apparently) insulted his music and said it was bad for kids..(ironically, it didn't stop him from taking his money.)

ThatWhiteDude said:

Are you speaking of these prank calls? I thought that was Baker on the other side?

Ah okay, you were talking about this, thanks for the heads up I was a bit confused

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Ahhh yes, normally when one is in so much pain they seek help from a pain specialist, and don't buy their drugs off of the street.

P went to a chiropractor, common for naturopaths, and to the dr and received real meds...he did not buy off of the street but the people responsible for his death did.

And Prince knew they did.

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

P went to a chiropractor, common for naturopaths, and to the dr and received real meds...he did not buy off of the street but the people responsible for his death did.

What Dr did he receive real meds from? Other then the withdrawal meds that he got from Dr. S. Because the meds that Kj got him were illegally written in KJ's name and those weren't the ones who killed him.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And Prince knew they did.

How do you know that? The person responsible for his death brought in fake look alike pills, not street pills. Again the pills They got were never in any other street drug

Come on, Prince isn't all innocent in this case. He knew exactly where that pills were coming from. Did people around him enable it? Yes. And I believe 100% that Kirk, Marron and Phaedra bought them pills when Prince asked them to do and they should've been charged for that. But I highly doubt that someone killed him on purpose, if that's what you're implying.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Camileyun said:

Pg. 179 " According to Theo, Prince told Theo once that 'Prince expected to be taken care of' and that is why Prince has assistants." "Theo told me Prince would have depended on Kirk Johnson, Phaedra Lamkins, and Meron Berkure to take care of him including getting him whatever he needed." "Theo explained that Phaedra's job was to take care of Prince, that Prince paid his manager to take care of him and she didn't."

IMO Phaedra did a lot....and that is why he is no longer here. Just Check out her background.

Judith tried telling Phaedra what really happened on the plane and Phaedra blew her off. Phaedra had a sister who was an addict and went to Dr. K's clinic for help. Phaedra knew, I'm sure KJ told Phaedra what happened on the plane too. Phaedra still brushed it off.

PennyPurple said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Camileyun said: IMO Phaedra did a lot....and that is why he is no longer here. Just Check out her background.

Judith tried telling Phaedra what really happened on the plane and Phaedra blew her off. Phaedra had a sister who was an addict and went to Dr. K's clinic for help. Phaedra knew, I'm sure KJ told Phaedra what happened on the plane too. Phaedra still brushed it off.

And I can't help but thinking if her thoughts went something like this: "Maybe, if I wait long enough, he'll kick the bucket." She saw her chance in his misery. Wasn't she the one who sold his songs to spotify? She's an opportunist.