paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said:

littlemissG said:

You know after Prince walked thru Paisley Park naked complaining it was too hot. That was action time, instead, it was he be ok tomorrow and business as usual. What can yo possible tell yourself about a person that drug dependent that who not make you fearful he would die soon?

there were many many actions times. Wendy Melvoin's own brother Jonathan Melvoin died of a heroin overdose

in July of 1996. I am not saying it was her or susannahs' job but they certainly were probably

hip to the signs and when the Aspirin and Wine thing happen later that same year with P, seems

like the help radar would have been oh high alert. Or maybe they knew he had to want it. sigh....

Didn't the Aspirin and Wine thing happen before Wendy's brother died?

Same here. I don't think his life would have been worthless if he didn't tour but I'm not sure how Prince himself felt about it. His hands were hurting along with his hips and legs. Can we see him not playing guitar or piano? Of course we can but could Prince see himself not playing an instrument? We have to put ourselves in his place without taking into account our own personal feelings. Walk a mile in his shoes so to speak...

SkipperLove said:

I personally don't think his life was worthless if he didn't tour (and Paul may not either--I can't speak for him) but one could argue that Prince himself thought his life was worthless if he didn't tour and that has nothing to do with money or big ego.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

co-sign...that view IMO reduces his whole soul to that of a performing/money making/big ego machine.

[Edited 7/11/18 9:24am]

Yes, April 21, 1996, I believe...

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

there were many many actions times. Wendy Melvoin's own brother Jonathan Melvoin died of a heroin overdose

in July of 1996. I am not saying it was her or susannahs' job but they certainly were probably

hip to the signs and when the Aspirin and Wine thing happen later that same year with P, seems

like the help radar would have been oh high alert. Or maybe they knew he had to want it. sigh....

Didn't the Aspirin and Wine thing happen before Wendy's brother died?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

2004Fan said:

It happened April 21st..Freaky, huh.

Supposedly he was having heart palpitations and tried to calm his heart. He may have been having an anxiety attack. I have had those--you feel like your heart is going to explode. If he was a long time user of pain pills, he might have ran out so turned to aspirin/wine. No one has been able to prove it wasn't aspirin/wine but who knows.

1996 was a rough year for P when he was trying so hard to make it positive (overdose, sick baby in womb, friend dies, sister of friend calls him out publically for not sending condolences, his own baby dies,I wonder did she send condolences to him?)

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

there were many many actions times. Wendy Melvoin's own brother Jonathan Melvoin died of a heroin overdose

in July of 1996. I am not saying it was her or susannahs' job but they certainly were probably

hip to the signs and when the Aspirin and Wine thing happen later that same year with P, seems

like the help radar would have been oh high alert. Or maybe they knew he had to want it. sigh....

Didn't the Aspirin and Wine thing happen before Wendy's brother died?

[Edited 7/11/18 9:50am]

I think you are missing the point. He was on pain pills while she was playing before his death. We don't know how much it would have hurt to be off. But regardless of whether he could have worked at a slow pace, its what he was feeling that matters here and a few of us suspect that he felt his prospects sucked.

Camileyun said:

2004Fan said:

Same here. I don't think his life would have been worthless if he didn't tour but I'm not sure how Prince himself felt about it. His hands were hurting along with his hips and legs. Can we see him not playing guitar or piano? Of course we can but could Prince see himself not playing an instrument? We have to put ourselves in his place without taking into account our own personal feelings. Walk a mile in his shoes so to speak...

Where are we getting he couldn't play anymore? - it's obvious he could, just maybe not hours at a time on tour. Feeling your life is worthless is called depression, and there is help for that.

Deduction only. He said to Judith in the hospital in Moline that he couldn't perform without pain pills because his hands hurt too much. It's in the Investigation docs. Can't remember which one. Surely in Judith's interview.

Camileyun said:

2004Fan said:

Same here. I don't think his life would have been worthless if he didn't tour but I'm not sure how Prince himself felt about it. His hands were hurting along with his hips and legs. Can we see him not playing guitar or piano? Of course we can but could Prince see himself not playing an instrument? We have to put ourselves in his place without taking into account our own personal feelings. Walk a mile in his shoes so to speak...

Where are we getting he couldn't play anymore? - it's obvious he could, just maybe not hours at a time on tour. Feeling your life is worthless is called depression, and there is help for that.

SkipperLove said:

All three persons in Prince’s inner circle, that he paid to take care of him, have backgrounds (easily found on the web) that scream a knowledge and/or awareness of drug abuse symptoms and drug-related problems. Yet, they did not recognize the symptoms in P??? Why would P hire people with this knowledge if he didn’t expect them to monitor him? Did the investigators do any research into their backgrounds?

2004Fan said:

I don't think the Carver County Sheriff Office did but the FBI and DEA might have. We just don't know...

che777x said:

All three persons in Prince’s inner circle, that he paid to take care of him, have backgrounds (easily found on the web) that scream a knowledge and/or awareness of drug abuse symptoms and drug-related problems. Yet, they did not recognize the symptoms in P??? Why would P hire people with this knowledge if he didn’t expect them to monitor him? Did the investigators do any research into their backgrounds?

che777x said:

Lovejunky said:

paulludvig said:

PennyPurple said: Prince wasn't "normal". He never did anything the usual way.

You really believe that Prince bought his drugs from the street

thats cool

Some of us dont..

Cool ?

Forget the "illicit" Fentanyl laced pills... then explain to me how Dilaudid was found in his UA, with no script, mind you....

2004Fan said:

I don't think the Carver County Sheriff Office did but the FBI and DEA might have. We just don't know...

che777x said:

All three persons in Prince’s inner circle, that he paid to take care of him, have backgrounds (easily found on the web) that scream a knowledge and/or awareness of drug abuse symptoms and drug-related problems. Yet, they did not recognize the symptoms in P??? Why would P hire people with this knowledge if he didn’t expect them to monitor him? Did the investigators do any research into their backgrounds?

In reading this thread, as well as all the parts that proceeded this, it is apparent that there were various "misses/mistakes" such as not taking the computer from Paisley Park at the beginning of the investigation.

However, as 2004Fan states above, we don't know what was done by DEA. We haven't seen the DEA's investigation file. There may be many things that posters have questioned that are cleared up if we had access to the DEA's file.

Theo also said that P wouldn't let anyone else pack his bags so obviously assistants weren't taking care of that. (If his assistants were getting him drugs, why would it matter if they also packed his bags? Prince carried his own bag in the St. Bart's picture in 2015). And several people seem to be impying petty cash being taken out for p without questions asked. Lots of blame to go around. Lots of guilty consciences trying to find relief by casting blame on others. Lots of bitterness between staff members who were replaced. The WB plot doesn't make sense either because Prince himself stated that he didn't mind going back to WB if they were used as a distribution company. HE articulated this himself.

Camileyun said:

che777x said:

All three persons in Prince’s inner circle, that he paid to take care of him, have backgrounds (easily found on the web) that scream a knowledge and/or awareness of drug abuse symptoms and drug-related problems. Yet, they did not recognize the symptoms in P??? Why would P hire people with this knowledge if he didn’t expect them to monitor him? Did the investigators do any research into their backgrounds?

Pg. 179 " According to Theo, Prince told Theo once that 'Prince expected to be taken care of' and that is why Prince has assistants." "Theo told me Prince would have depended on Kirk Johnson, Phaedra Lamkins, and Meron Berkure to take care of him including getting him whatever he needed." "Theo explained that Phaedra's job was to take care of Prince, that Prince paid his manager to take care of him and she didn't."

SkipperLove said:

True. But wasn't he used to not eating or sleeping alot? Something must have been a bit different on that day in 1996.

Strawberrylova123 said:

SkipperLove said:

It happened April 21st..Freaky, huh.

Supposedly he was having heart palpitations and tried to calm his heart. He may have been having an anxiety attack. I have had those--you feel like your heart is going to explode. If he was a long time user of pain pills, he might have ran out so turned to aspirin/wine. No one has been able to prove it wasn't aspirin/wine but who knows.

1996 was a rough year for P when he was trying so hard to make it positive (overdose, sick baby in womb, friend dies, sister of friend calls him out publically for not sending condolences, his own baby dies,I wonder did she send condolences to him?)

[Edited 7/11/18 9:50am]

Not eating and sleeping enough can give a person horrible heart palpitations

I thought April 21st was just a rumor?

2004Fan said:

Yes, April 21, 1996, I believe...

ThatWhiteDude said:

Didn't the Aspirin and Wine thing happen before Wendy's brother died?

ThatWhiteDude said:

SkipperLove said:

His need for complete privacy killed him. He had people buying drugs off of the street for him. He had drs writing scripts and putting other people names on them. He had aspirin bottles with pain meds in the all over the place.

He was in chronic pain and became addicted to the meds.

He died protecting his privacy but sadly nothing is private.

It is so disgusting that the photos of him were released. It disgusts me that any fan would look at them and share them.

There are so many Prince groups on FB that I left because they shared those photos.

Respect his privacy. He lived and died by it. Have some respect and make sure his music lives on!

"His need for complete privacy killed him."

Wearing those heels almost 24/7 didn't help either! And being a JW with Larry Graham and not getting a hip replacement or what ever a excellent Orthopedic Surgeon would have done was a cause also!

Astasheiks said:

"His need for complete privacy killed him."

Wearing those heels almost 24/7 didn't help either! And being a JW with Larry Graham and not getting a hip replacement or what ever a excellent Orthopedic Surgeon would have done was a cause also!

I agree about the JW thing and Larry Graham which proably led to feeling that he had to do everything to keep his addiction private. He did have hip surgery but sadly those surgeries arent a guarantee to get rid of pain and they also give you pain meds after surgery,

I wish he had spught help sooner for his addiction but his privacy came first to him.

ThatWhiteDude said:

I thought April 21st was just a rumor?

2004Fan said:

Yes, April 21, 1996, I believe...

Nope. It's the truth.

furthermore:

4/21/85(?) -original recording of Sometimes it Snows in April

4/21/96- OD

4/21/18-Final OD

..coincidence?

Yes.

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If he had died on, say, October 8, I'm sure we could've backtracked and found 2 - 3 interesting things he did on that day over the course of 30+ years. He was a busy, active dude!

precioux said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I thought April 21st was just a rumor?

Nope. It's the truth.

furthermore:

4/21/85(?) -original recording of Sometimes it Snows in April

4/21/96- OD

4/21/18-Final OD

..coincidence?

disch said:

Yes.

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If he had died on, say, October 8, I'm sure we could've backtracked and found 2 - 3 interesting things he did on that day over the course of 30+ years. He was a busy, active dude!

precioux said:

Nope. It's the truth.

furthermore:

4/21/85(?) -original recording of Sometimes it Snows in April

4/21/96- OD

4/21/18-Final OD

..coincidence?

Disch, I can respect your line of thinking. For me, I don't believe in coincidences.period.

disch said:

Yes.

-

If he had died on, say, October 8, I'm sure we could've backtracked and found 2 - 3 interesting things he did on that day over the course of 30+ years. He was a busy, active dude!

precioux said:

Nope. It's the truth.

furthermore:

4/21/85(?) -original recording of Sometimes it Snows in April

4/21/96- OD

4/21/18-Final OD

..coincidence?

I have been wondering what on God's green earth was so traumatizing about that day since he left us. Does anybody know details?

precioux said: