80tomato said:

PennyPurple said:

paulludvig said:

purplefam99 said: Trevor is just speculating. [Snip - luv4u]

I think Trevor pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I agree, his posts have been calm, informative, logical and show a mature understanding of addiction and the addict..

PennyPurple said:

Krystalkisses said:

80tomato said:

just a thought out of the blue ...I have always thought it was strange he was riding his bicycle in a shopping mall parking lot a few days before he died ....is this true....if so it seems a strange thing to do , even to show he was ok...

Yes it is true . It was by that Office Max there and by that Kids Hair place. I recognized the area by this video a girl took with her cell phone. I think you can find it on the internet and it was on the news as well. Also I read a girl that worked at the Office Max was on her break and outside the store I think she said hi to him and he said hi back . [Edited 7/8/18 10:46am]

He said hi back, but as I remember, the lady mentioned that he indicated that he wanted to be left alone.

Camileyun said:

So, for anyone still interested in the investigation, I'm still trying to make sense of the backward/ inside out clothing. I'm having a hard time deciphering the maps of PP. Does anyone know if the coat and gloves were between his bedroom and the quickest way to the elevator? Total speculation on my part, but could P. have been running around nude, as he had done in the past when in withdrawals (according to a past assistant) and was found that way? Some have speculated that KJ may have dressed him. Could he have found him, ran to his room, retrieved Ps clothing (maybe tossed on the bed) and in his haste and panic to get back and dress him, dropped part of the pile of clothing and, realizing it was just his coat, just left it there? Then he haphazardly dressed him the way the clothes were taken off, ie. Inside out - all in the 15 mins. he was gone from the others...then he went back and got Meron. If the coat was not between the bedroom and the elevator or stairs, then ignore this theory. [Edited 7/7/18 13:12pm]

He never changed his clothes from the day before. The jacket and gloves were found in the hallway I believe by the dressing room (could be wrong, but it has been posted). Judith said it wasn't unusual for him to wear his clothes backwards.

PennyPurple said:

80tomato said:

TrevorAyer said:

MY mother has knee problems that make it hard to walk but loves to bike ... it is much easier ... if prince had trouble standing or walking biking is optimal short of needing a wheel chair

my point is why was he biking around a shopping mall parking lot

Because he wanted everyone to see him, and think that everything was ok. The press was following him quite heavily since the Moline incident. The shopping mall was a very open place for him to go and to be seen.

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

The one thing most of us should've learned by now, is that his ASSociates can not be trusted.

And if any of them came out and said, "OK, here's the real story..." (don't hold your breath) would anyone believe them??

You know, for me at this point, I don't think that I would believe them. They have been so unreliable that I no longer believe anything that comes out of their mouths.

PennyPurple said:

80tomato said:

my point is why was he biking around a shopping mall parking lot

Because he wanted everyone to see him, and think that everything was ok. The press was following him quite heavily since the Moline incident. The shopping mall was a very open place for him to go and to be seen.

who knows, maybe he was anxious and needed to move, it's kinda bizarre, the shopping mall, he asked not to be filmed, so i don't think he wanted to be seen necessarily, also, one lady who got some pics refused all offers to buy them out of respect saying he looked happy and free. I read the biking as just nervous energy, i think he knew his time was coming and he was agitated by it.

facedown20160421 said:

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[Edited 7/8/18 0:59am]

Facedown, I appreciate the time and effort you spent in going through the police investigation materials and trying to bring together the details.

In the Police Investigation Phone Tips, there are at least three callers who claim that someone was with P on that night. (1) the caller, in an inverview with the investigator, claims that someone was with P when she called on the burner phone that she sent to him. She claims that P was “very perturbed” when someone asked him who he was talking to. (2) Another caller claims, that JH was there on that night and that P actually passed on the 20^th. This caller claims to know KJ, and gives other details of a conversation she had with KJ, and (3) JJ claims that P’s brother-in-law was there. This tape contains callers giving tips and interviews with callers.

che777x said:

facedown20160421 said:

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[Edited 7/8/18 0:59am]

Facedown, I appreciate the time and effort you spent in going through the police investigation materials and trying to bring together the details.

In the Police Investigation Phone Tips, there are at least three callers who claim that someone was with P on that night. (1) the caller, in an inverview with the investigator, claims that someone was with P when she called on the burner phone that she sent to him. She claims that P was “very perturbed” when someone asked him who he was talking to. (2) Another caller claims, that JH was there on that night and that P actually passed on the 20^th. This caller claims to know KJ, and gives other details of a conversation she had with KJ, and (3) JJ claims that P’s brother-in-law was there. This tape contains callers giving tips and interviews with callers.

where is this info?

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Because he wanted everyone to see him, and think that everything was ok. The press was following him quite heavily since the Moline incident. The shopping mall was a very open place for him to go and to be seen.

who knows, maybe he was anxious and needed to move, it's kinda bizarre, the shopping mall, he asked not to be filmed, so i don't think he wanted to be seen necessarily, also, one lady who got some pics refused all offers to buy them out of respect saying he looked happy and free. I read the biking as just nervous energy, i think he knew his time was coming and he was agitated by it.

TMZ on 4/23/16 reported that he was riding in the parking lot waiting for his girlfriend.

che777x said:

PeteSilas said:

who knows, maybe he was anxious and needed to move, it's kinda bizarre, the shopping mall, he asked not to be filmed, so i don't think he wanted to be seen necessarily, also, one lady who got some pics refused all offers to buy them out of respect saying he looked happy and free. I read the biking as just nervous energy, i think he knew his time was coming and he was agitated by it.

TMZ on 4/23/16 reported that he was riding in the parking lot waiting for his girlfriend.

judith wasn't around was she?

PennyPurple said:

che777x said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

So 11 threads later and god knows how many thousands of posts and no one has solved this "murder" yet? What are the mysterious unsanswered questions? All of this perfectly normal and relatively explained for the most part. It's only becuase Prince was world famous while also managing to live an extremely private life that there are any real presumabley unanswered questions at all.

SOme of you guys seem to think that an investigation into the facts of a person who was notoriously guarded, withdrawn, media averse, camera shy, controlling, contradictary and dictatorial within his inner circle and HOME somehow leaves a few threads dangling is evidence of some big monster cover up. The KING of the non-disclosure agreement, production credit aliases and granting interviews with no recording devices leaves a few unturned stones? Color me shocked.

Prince did what he wanted, when he wanted, and routinely sacked anyone who told him "no" or otherwise failed to get with The Prince Paisley Park Program. PERIOD. His "friends" and PP regulars did what they were told. If they were told to leave him be, they DID. If he asked them to do something or fetch him something, the DID. Else they were out on their ass.

Shit, there's a bigger mystery surrounding the release of the Crystal Ball set and that whole fiasco or what happened with Roadhouse Garden than what happened 2 years ago. I continue to think that the few people remaining here or even care anymore are obsessed with looking for mysteries that aren't there.

This was a guy who went on a media tour after his child died (whose real name no one knew until last year) and told Oprah "it's all good". For YEARS, no one knew what happened with that child.

Now we're all supposed to know EVERYTHING that transpired 4/15 - 4/21? And if we don't, it means something sinister is afoot? He died of an accidental drug overdose born from an addiciton to pain killers. Shit got on top of him. If anything, I'd be surprised if there WASN'T a few things that don't add up. But knowing what I know, especially about drug usage, all the math and the officlal stories make perfect sense

huh? no dude, i just think there are a lot of inconsistencies, some shit that doesn't make sense. The only way I can make sense of it is that he wanted to die, you don't get addicted to that point, knowing the next time will kill you and turn around and do it again. some of the insiders here said he almost died in 2011, you don't want to live if you keep doing that, it's that simple, I think he killed himself. It's a fascinating death. Bruce Lee's is still more mysterious but Prince comes fucking close, even without all the talk of the death curse that might have killed bruce because no one can even agree on how he died, i think it might have been a chinese curse.

herb4 said:

So 11 threads later and god knows how many thousands of posts and no one has solved this "murder" yet? What are the mysterious unsanswered questions? All of this perfectly normal and relatively explained for the most part. It's only becuase Prince was world famous while also managing to live an extremely private life that there are any real presumabley unanswered questions at all.

SOme of you guys seem to think that an investigation into the facts of a person who was notoriously guarded, withdrawn, media averse, camera shy, controlling, contradictary and dictatorial within his inner circle and HOME somehow leaves a few threads dangling is evidence of some big monster cover up. The KING of the non-disclosure agreement, production credit aliases and granting interviews with no recording devices leaves a few unturned stones? Color me shocked.

Prince did what he wanted, when he wanted, and routinely sacked anyone who told him "no" or otherwise failed to get with The Prince Paisley Park Program. PERIOD. His "friends" and PP regulars did what they were told. If they were told to leave him be, they DID. If he asked them to do something or fetch him something, the DID. Else they were out on their ass.

Shit, there's a bigger mystery surrounding the release of the Crystal Ball set and that whole fiasco or what happened with Roadhouse Garden than what happened 2 years ago. I continue to think that the few people remaining here or even care anymore are obsessed with looking for mysteries that aren't there.

This was a guy who went on a media tour after his child died (whose real name no one knew until last year) and told Oprah "it's all good". For YEARS, no one knew what happened with that child.

Now we're all supposed to know EVERYTHING that transpired 4/15 - 4/21? And if we don't, it means something sinister is afoot? He died of an accidental drug overdose born from an addiciton to pain killers. Shit got on top of him. If anything, I'd be surprised if there WASN'T a few things that don't add up. But knowing what I know, especially about drug usage, all the math and the officlal stories make perfect sense

luv4u said:

purplefam99 said:

luv4u said:

It has been brought to my attention that the thread has gotten off topic and derailed with is or was Prince celibate, was he abused as a child?, ............

This thread is a discussion about the INVESTIGATION.

It would be much appreciated if ya'all would kindly keep this thread on topic and not derail what is turning into a topic mess. Thanks!

Try to enjoy this LAST and FINAL discussion. Thanks

Luv I noticed you locked Benni’s Thread so we won’t be breaking the rules if we discuss “ speculative motivating factors” here and nor shall we be considered derailing this thread?? Thx!

My above post has nothing to do with the motivating factors locked thread

Of course it's ok to discuss motivating factors on this here thread!

paulludvig said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I agree, his posts have been calm, informative, logical and show a mature understanding of addiction and the addict..

[Bait snip - luv4u]

Paul, you've not posted anything but insults on this thread. Do you have anything worth while to post about the investigation or anything research that you've done? Anything?

sonshine said:

RE: Facedown's first post - he suggests the sheriff's office didn't do a thorough enough investigation, but what we all need to remember is that Prince did this to himself. He was an adult who chose to use controlled substances in a wrongful way. That's the bottom line. What difference would it make to know the things people have suggested we don't know? Not much. That's how much difference this supposed missing information would make. Not much. On a side note: I think Meron knows a lot more and perhaps even had a lot more to do with Prince and drugs than has been disclosed or discovered. I have zero proof if that, just an instinct. Which is why i've never brought it up. But she is young, she would have connections (if she wanted them), she would have known what was currently popular with drug users, etc. If I recall she was a fairly recent graduate of St Cloud State University, which has a huge reputation as a party school with no shortage of drugs. In fact the city of St Cloud is becoming notorious for the amount of illicit drugs and addicts. I have a close friend whose daughter has lived there now for a few years and is lost in an heroin addiction that began with pills. My son attends another university nearby and says the increased drug and criminal activity deters them from visiting the SCSU campus. Aaaanyway, maybe just an over active imagination on my part too. Back to the investigation.

No, I think info like this is valuable but I also agree that Prince did this to himself and even if we were able to trace all the contacts and behaviors of those in his 'inner circle' for the past two years, in the center of the circle we would still see a lonely,isolated, controlling addict rapidly sliding into big trouble.

sonshine said:

che777x said:

facedown20160421 said:

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[Edited 7/8/18 0:59am]

Facedown, I appreciate the time and effort you spent in going through the police investigation materials and trying to bring together the details.

In the Police Investigation Phone Tips, there are at least three callers who claim that someone was with P on that night. (1) the caller, in an inverview with the investigator, claims that someone was with P when she called on the burner phone that she sent to him. She claims that P was “very perturbed” when someone asked him who he was talking to. (2) Another caller claims, that JH was there on that night and that P actually passed on the 20^th. This caller claims to know KJ, and gives other details of a conversation she had with KJ, and (3) JJ claims that P’s brother-in-law was there. This tape contains callers giving tips and interviews with callers.

this vibe fits imo

then again the grief and unanswered questions have effed a bit with my fan mind over the past 2 yrs so i find it irresistible to fantasize and write the ending better. i'm currently hoping prince's body double (hired to be seen riding a bike around PP while prince went into treatment somewhere secretly) somehow accidentally passed instead of Prince (sorry body double person) who is alive and well living on an island off the coast of montenegro.

Camileyun said:

sonshine said:

RE: Facedown's first post - he suggests the sheriff's office didn't do a thorough enough investigation, but what we all need to remember is that Prince did this to himself. He was an adult who chose to use controlled substances in a wrongful way. That's the bottom line. What difference would it make to know the things people have suggested we don't know? Not much. That's how much difference this supposed missing information would make. Not much. On a side note: I think Meron knows a lot more and perhaps even had a lot more to do with Prince and drugs than has been disclosed or discovered. I have zero proof if that, just an instinct. Which is why i've never brought it up. But she is young, she would have connections (if she wanted them), she would have known what was currently popular with drug users, etc. If I recall she was a fairly recent graduate of St Cloud State University, which has a huge reputation as a party school with no shortage of drugs. In fact the city of St Cloud is becoming notorious for the amount of illicit drugs and addicts. I have a close friend whose daughter has lived there now for a few years and is lost in an heroin addiction that began with pills. My son attends another university nearby and says the increased drug and criminal activity deters them from visiting the SCSU campus. Aaaanyway, maybe just an over active imagination on my part too. Back to the investigation.

I think the only people left in his immediate circle, with the exception of the Weltons, were people that would enable his addiction. The computer deletions and document shredding (if true) are very telling. Did the police drop the ball on investigating these people? Probably...they were looking for bigger fish to fry...but I believe it is very possible that there has not been justice for Prince. The investigation into the leeches should be ongoing. [Edited 7/8/18 13:59pm]

i agree wholeheartedly. but i'm starting to feel that we will never know the fll circumstances about exactly what happened that night.

XxAxX said:

The PD dropped the ball for sure. Lot's of things needed follow ups.

XxAxX said: