It has been brought to my attention that the thread has gotten off topic and derailed with is or was Prince celibate, was he abused as a child?, ............

This thread is a discussion about the INVESTIGATION.

It would be much appreciated if ya'all would kindly keep this thread on topic and not derail what is turning into a topic mess. Thanks!

Try to enjoy this LAST and FINAL discussion. Thanks

SkipperLove said:

PeteSilas said

fuck it

[Edited 7/7/18 12:38pm]

Maybe he wanted to laugh at the things people got wrong. Maybe it was penance on his part, an attempt at staying humble. Maybe he wanted to find the difference between "family" and "fanatic". Maybe he wanted to piss off old fart fans who only like the eighties but doing the polar opposite of what they wanted?--(kidding on that one--kind of) Who knows?

PeteSilas said:

in watching the Whitney docu (can I be me?) they tracked her demise, and one of the bigger factors they said, in their opinion was her being booed at the soul train awards. Artists who can touch us, they have to be able to go deeply inside to places most of us don't really live, sometimes they are hypersensitive, probably most of the time actually. It would be easy to say that that shouldn't have bothered her but that won't change the fact that it did. It wasn't long after that she tried to prove her blackness by getting with the knucklehead bobby brown and becoming crackheads together. I say this to say just because you or I think that maybe prince shouldn't have felt bad about how the org felt or not, we don't really know, i find it strange that he'd even want to look here. If I had people ripping up my shit like that, i'd avoid it just like I avoid anyone who tries to downgrade me, people are just mean and vile, everyone has to deal with people like that, my way is not to take it and it has hurt my checkbook but I don't allow folks to get into my head, my space or anything. I'm different though, I have nothing, I realize I cannot afford to let some leach into my world because I'm close to the bottom now, always have been, it wouldn't take a lot just to ruin what's left of my life so i'm overprotective. Prince, for whatever reason, came here, me? when people talk shit to me, i burn that bridge to a crisp, no further communications, you ain't going to do what you're trying to do, which is to convince me that I'm worthless, not gonna happen. And, I know why people do it, because they feel like shit themselves.

SkipperLove said:

There is nothing enjoyable about his topic. Sorry about the derailment.

luv4u said:

It has been brought to my attention that the thread has gotten off topic and derailed with is or was Prince celibate, was he abused as a child?, ............

This thread is a discussion about the INVESTIGATION.

It would be much appreciated if ya'all would kindly keep this thread on topic and not derail what is turning into a topic mess. Thanks!

Try to enjoy this LAST and FINAL discussion. Thanks

i don't know, but when people are that critical, it's stifling and I just leave the situation, when things get to the point where I think "i can't do anything right for them" I just leave, i don't care if there's money to be made or not, I leave, it's not worth it. It's really THEIR problem after a point and you have to know that. These assholes on here who hounded me off because i smartmouthed them for talking about Prince having glitter on his face, which I thought was a silly thing to criticize, when things get like that, they shouldn't even call themselves a fan.

SkipperLove said:

Maybe he wanted to laugh at the things people got wrong. Maybe it was penance on his part, an attempt at staying humble. Maybe he wanted to find the difference between "family" and "fanatic". Maybe he wanted to piss off old fart fans who only like the eighties but doing the polar opposite of what they wanted?--(kidding on that one--kind of) Who knows?

PeteSilas said:

in watching the Whitney docu (can I be me?) they tracked her demise, and one of the bigger factors they said, in their opinion was her being booed at the soul train awards. Artists who can touch us, they have to be able to go deeply inside to places most of us don't really live, sometimes they are hypersensitive, probably most of the time actually. It would be easy to say that that shouldn't have bothered her but that won't change the fact that it did. It wasn't long after that she tried to prove her blackness by getting with the knucklehead bobby brown and becoming crackheads together. I say this to say just because you or I think that maybe prince shouldn't have felt bad about how the org felt or not, we don't really know, i find it strange that he'd even want to look here. If I had people ripping up my shit like that, i'd avoid it just like I avoid anyone who tries to downgrade me, people are just mean and vile, everyone has to deal with people like that, my way is not to take it and it has hurt my checkbook but I don't allow folks to get into my head, my space or anything. I'm different though, I have nothing, I realize I cannot afford to let some leach into my world because I'm close to the bottom now, always have been, it wouldn't take a lot just to ruin what's left of my life so i'm overprotective. Prince, for whatever reason, came here, me? when people talk shit to me, i burn that bridge to a crisp, no further communications, you ain't going to do what you're trying to do, which is to convince me that I'm worthless, not gonna happen. And, I know why people do it, because they feel like shit themselves.

No need to apologize. Just debating word usage.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

True that he is not here anymore to read that stuff. Sadly, we now know he did read that stuff. However, then, if he had wanted to, he could have defended himself. Now its not an option.

Look I already apologized for the mean comments. If any of his friends /family read that I'm sorry. It is all just a lot of me to accept. Im doing my best and ill eventually learn to accept what is. Right now its hard for me im not at that place. My affection for Mr. Nelson and his music will be forever. Now im done.

luv4u said:

It has been brought to my attention that the thread has gotten off topic and derailed with is or was Prince celibate, was he abused as a child?, ............

This thread is a discussion about the INVESTIGATION.

It would be much appreciated if ya'all would kindly keep this thread on topic and not derail what is turning into a topic mess. Thanks!

Try to enjoy this LAST and FINAL discussion. Thanks

hey luv, I went through and deleted the comments I made that listed signs of abandonment issues. Sorry if I contributed to any derailment! Big LOVE!

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

True that he is not here anymore to read that stuff. Sadly, we now know he did read that stuff. However, then, if he had wanted to, he could have defended himself. Now its not an option.

Look I already apologized for the mean comments. If any of his friends /family read that I'm sorry. It is all just a lot of me to accept. Im doing my best and ill eventually learn to accept what is. Right now its hard for me im not at that place. My affection for Mr. Nelson and his music will be forever. Now im done.

i didn't take issue with the "fake,phoney" or what have you, just assumed it was anger, anger at both losing him over stupid shit and being decieved by someone you had faith in.

benni said:

luv4u said:

It has been brought to my attention that the thread has gotten off topic and derailed with is or was Prince celibate, was he abused as a child?, ............

This thread is a discussion about the INVESTIGATION.

It would be much appreciated if ya'all would kindly keep this thread on topic and not derail what is turning into a topic mess. Thanks!

Try to enjoy this LAST and FINAL discussion. Thanks

hey luv, I went through and deleted the comments I made that listed signs of abandonment issues. Sorry if I contributed to any derailment! Big LOVE!

Awwww how considerate and thoughtful you are, big ups!

Camileyun said:

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

i didn't take issue with the "fake,phoney" or what have you, just assumed it was anger, anger at both losing him over stupid shit and being decieved by someone you had faith in.

Yes Pete exactly. I'm glad you understand that. Hopefully others can too. I didn't mean to be so hurtful. It's a good reminder for me to keep my temper in check. Investigation.....😃

KK i appreciate how easy it was to converse with you about all that. best.

yes investigation and apologies Penny.

i would like someone to tell their specific idea surrounding the Dilaudid.

purplefam99 said:

Camileyun said:

So, for anyone still interested in the investigation, I'm still trying to make sense of the backward/ inside out clothing. I'm having a hard time deciphering the maps of PP. Does anyone know if the coat and gloves were between his bedroom and the quickest way to the elevator? Total speculation on my part, but could P. have been running around nude, as he had done in the past when in withdrawals (according to a past assistant) and was found that way? Some have speculated that KJ may have dressed him. Could he have found him, ran to his room, retrieved Ps clothing (maybe tossed on the bed) and in his haste and panic to get back and dress him, dropped part of the pile of clothing and, realizing it was just his coat, just left it there? Then he haphazardly dressed him the way the clothes were taken off, ie. Inside out - all in the 15 mins. he was gone from the others...then he went back and got Meron. If the coat was not between the bedroom and the elevator or stairs, then ignore this theory. [Edited 7/7/18 13:12pm]

I think someone dressing him is possible.

it's entirely possible, i've said it, it took 45 years for it to come out that bruce lee died nude and was dressed by his business partner, he never said this, the mistress who's apt. he died in did recently. also, just to reiterate how people do lie whenever they see fit, she lied for years about the affair between them, now she's telling the truth. the truth isn't always immediate or easy to get to until after people figure not too many people care anymore. with prince, i just think they must have done some decent acting because didn't meron wail and cry? kirk J? i don't know what to make of him, he's pretty hard to read and none too bright to begin with.

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

Camileyun said: I think someone dressing him is possible.

it's entirely possible, i've said it, it took 45 years for it to come out that bruce lee died nude and was dressed by his business partner, he never said this, the mistress who's apt. he died in did recently. also, just to reiterate how people do lie whenever they see fit, she lied for years about the affair between them, now she's telling the truth. the truth isn't always immediate or easy to get to until after people figure not too many people care anymore. with prince, i just think they must have done some decent acting because didn't meron wail and cry? kirk J? i don't know what to make of him, he's pretty hard to read and none too bright to begin with.

i agree pete it could be possible. i think KJ just seeing him die a week prior, probably had not a problem see him dead again and dressing him quickly out of respect or mutual empathy. i would

so want the same done to me. A sheet or something. turn me on my good side please!!

MOst people have a problem seeing someone dead. Period. especially someone they have known for 30 something years. That being said, it might have been a tad bit easier to handle due to the earlier emergency on the plane. Maybe, it took 45 minutes because people were irrational and freaking out but by the time the doctor called the paramedics, they had only calmed down enough to put his clothes back on in a reasonable way. If you find anyone you know dead in his house and may have contributed to enabling pill usage at any time in his life and then he overdosed..its bound to be jarring. Meron might not have been acting. Why would she act for paramedics? FOr a camera I understand. Also, something occurred to me, the doctor said that KJ left and came back to get Meron as if he had interrupted Prince doing something. It may be possible that he found P in the elevator in a compromising way but it didn't register at first what he was seeing. When he got Meron, maybe she was the one who had the sense to realize that they were looking at an overdosed dead man rather than just a passed out dude in a compromising position. Stress makes people think and do strange things sometimes.

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

it's entirely possible, i've said it, it took 45 years for it to come out that bruce lee died nude and was dressed by his business partner, he never said this, the mistress who's apt. he died in did recently. also, just to reiterate how people do lie whenever they see fit, she lied for years about the affair between them, now she's telling the truth. the truth isn't always immediate or easy to get to until after people figure not too many people care anymore. with prince, i just think they must have done some decent acting because didn't meron wail and cry? kirk J? i don't know what to make of him, he's pretty hard to read and none too bright to begin with.

i agree pete it could be possible. i think KJ just seeing him die a week prior, probably had not a problem see him dead again and dressing him quickly out of respect or mutual empathy. i would

so want the same done to me. A sheet or something. turn me on my good side please!!

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

Camileyun said: I think someone dressing him is possible.

it's entirely possible, i've said it, it took 45 years for it to come out that bruce lee died nude and was dressed by his business partner, he never said this, the mistress who's apt. he died in did recently. also, just to reiterate how people do lie whenever they see fit, she lied for years about the affair between them, now she's telling the truth. the truth isn't always immediate or easy to get to until after people figure not too many people care anymore. with prince, i just think they must have done some decent acting because didn't meron wail and cry? kirk J? i don't know what to make of him, he's pretty hard to read and none too bright to begin with.

I think that's a VERY mean to say. Prince gave Kirk MULTIPLE duties at PP in the last UNIQUE year leading to Prince's transitioning.

Krystalkisses said:

Camileyun said:

Lucky girl!

I know that's right!!! I just meant celibate as in no intercourse but ofcourse they could have been intimate in other ways. But I really didn't get a romantic vibe but ofcourse I could be wrong. Also Prince would ALWAYS been able to be with women in their 20s. Even if he was 75 he totally would have a young girlfriend. Maybe some young girls would be like "No it would be like being with my Daddy " but the majority would have been down for it because he had wealth, riches and he was simply Prince. And my boo was Damn sexy! I thought he actually thought he got sexier as he got older.

If Prince had matured and evolved emotionally as some claim he had (and others say he didn't; personally, I don't know) why would he want to be with a golddigger/starfucker or a woman with showbiz aspirations and was using him for her own gain, even if those women were young and beautiful? Why would he want to be in a relationship with a person who just "liked him" for his money, fame and connections? I hope had he lived and had future relationships, that those relationships would be genuine and based on commonalities and true caring vs getting with some "young and beautiful" 20something who would've been 'down for it' because of his wealth and his simply being Prince.

Camileyun said:

Krystalkisses:Ok but the man has passed on now. He isn't here reading this . I wasn't on the org right before he died so i dont know what people were saying.

But even when I did post on the Org baxk in the day it was like sharing pictures, talking about songs I liked (or didnt) or talking about how sexy he was and what I wanted to do to him (Oh the scandal!) , nothing mean!

LilaLiebe said:

Krystalkisses said:

Camileyun said: I know that's right!!! I just meant celibate as in no intercourse but ofcourse they could have been intimate in other ways. But I really didn't get a romantic vibe but ofcourse I could be wrong. Also Prince would ALWAYS been able to be with women in their 20s. Even if he was 75 he totally would have a young girlfriend. Maybe some young girls would be like "No it would be like being with my Daddy " but the majority would have been down for it because he had wealth, riches and he was simply Prince. And my boo was Damn sexy! I thought he actually thought he got sexier as he got older.

If Prince had matured and evolved emotionally as some claim he had (and others say he didn't; personally, I don't know) why would he want to be with a golddigger/starfucker or a woman with showbiz aspirations and was using him for her own gain, even if those women were young and beautiful? Why would he want to be in a relationship with a person who just "liked him" for his money, fame and connections? I hope had he lived and had future relationships, that those relationships would be genuine and based on commonalities and true caring vs getting with some "young and beautiful" 20something who would've been 'down for it' because of his wealth and his simply being Prince.

and this has what to do with the investigation of Prince's death?

purplefam99 said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said: Yes Pete exactly. I'm glad you understand that. Hopefully others can too. I didn't mean to be so hurtful. It's a good reminder for me to keep my temper in check. Investigation.....😃

KK i appreciate how easy it was to converse with you about all that. best.

yes investigation and apologies Penny.

purplefam99 said:

TrevorAyer said:

The difference between those who do and those who don't is usally those who do have family and friends and other things in their life that make them happy. Those who have no one close to them are much more likely to get addicted. Prince kept it all a secret so he surely had very few who could help him. His circle likely knew but also knew not to say anything to him directly about it cuz u know .. the guy had rules like don't look him in the eye. Prince refused rehab due to public exposure. The first step to recovering from addiction is to admit you have a problem you cannot control. Prince always thought he could control it. He never said to anyone that this was beyond him and needed help. It was not until he was too far gone that anyone tried to do anything.

Another factor in kicking is that you have to stop doing the things that feed the addiction. An alcoholic should not spend time in a bar. IF he needed pills to get through a sitting piano performance, he had to give up music to stop the pills. I think he tried on some level during those gap years ... on the other hand .. try to stop a workaholic from working ... it is damn near impossible .. they could flat out quit there job and their life would be non stopped packed with some other kind of work the next day.

Couple that with the fact that most believe if a doctor says its ok then it is safe or a good thing. He may not get his pills from a doctor but there is less of a cautionary stigma with pills than say heroin and needles or coke. So for him to take pills .. he may have felt it was not as bad ... and then of course ... it got away from him. I have been around people in withdrawel ... not a pretty sight at all. It's not easy to quit and takes a huge support system and prince did not have a support system when it came to his secret addiction. He was completely alone trying to deal with it himself in secret. That is why prince was not able to kick it.

[Edited 7/7/18 9:53am]

more evidence of him always wanting his own way, from childhood into adulthood. that vice

killed him. now i will say that i don't think that vice negated all his good ones. it was just one

way that he was human. we are all given gifts but the virtues we have to work on. i think

everytime he sang about the right way and shared it with us he was "working on his virtues" trying

trying and trying and failing and trying again. that is what it really means to "practice" christian

virtues. Trying and trying, failing, GETTING UP and trying again= practing christian virtues.

Amen

SkipperLove said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

LilaLiebe said:

If Prince had matured and evolved emotionally as some claim he had (and others say he didn't; personally, I don't know) why would he want to be with a golddigger/starfucker or a woman with showbiz aspirations and was using him for her own gain, even if those women were young and beautiful? Why would he want to be in a relationship with a person who just "liked him" for his money, fame and connections? I hope had he lived and had future relationships, that those relationships would be genuine and based on commonalities and true caring vs getting with some "young and beautiful" 20something who would've been 'down for it' because of his wealth and his simply being Prince.

and this has what to do with the investigation of Prince's death?

Hey O Great and Powerful Hall Monitor of the Thread! I feel very special that out the many other posts that have veered off-topic, you chose to single out my post.

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Seriously it wasn't necessary to take such a sanctimonious, snide tone with me. I gave my opinion on another comment on this thread - I deeply, deeply apologize my transgression. It's just that I found it amusing that somone felt Prince was 'being phony' or whatever, but thought it was OK for him to be in a relationship with a phony.

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ETA: I've now seen and am very aware of Luv's posts and admonitions to keep this thread on track so don't worry, I will not post anything OT again. Cool?

[Edited 7/7/18 19:49pm]

Camileyun said:

So, for anyone still interested in the investigation, I'm still trying to make sense of the backward/ inside out clothing. I'm having a hard time deciphering the maps of PP. Does anyone know if the coat and gloves were between his bedroom and the quickest way to the elevator? Total speculation on my part, but could P. have been running around nude, as he had done in the past when in withdrawals (according to a past assistant) and was found that way? Some have speculated that KJ may have dressed him. Could he have found him, ran to his room, retrieved Ps clothing (maybe tossed on the bed) and in his haste and panic to get back and dress him, dropped part of the pile of clothing and, realizing it was just his coat, just left it there? Then he haphazardly dressed him the way the clothes were taken off, ie. Inside out - all in the 15 mins. he was gone from the others...then he went back and got Meron. If the coat was not between the bedroom and the elevator or stairs, then ignore this theory. [Edited 7/7/18 13:12pm]

Yes I think that is what happened too. I think what KJ told Kim Berry about that was truthful...I can see Prince being the type of person who would feel comfortable walking around his place without clothes and it was a respect thing.

LilaLiebe said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

and this has what to do with the investigation of Prince's death?

Hey O Great and Powerful Hall Monitor of the Thread! I feel very special that out the many other posts that have veered off-topic, you chose to single out my post.

*

Seriously it wasn't necessary to take such a sanctimonious, snide tone with me. I gave my opinion on another comment on this thread - I deeply, deeply apologize my transgression. It's just that I found it amusing that somone felt Prince was 'being phony' or whatever, but thought it was OK for him to be in a relationship with a phony.

*

ETA: I've now seen and am very aware of Luv's posts and admonitions to keep this thread on track so don't worry, I will not post anything OT again. Cool?

[Edited 7/7/18 19:49pm]

I was just saying he could have if he wanted. 20 somethings seemed to be his pattern, although I think Bri Bri was older. And being young doesn't equal fake or phoney.

Ok sorry Mods.

[Edited 7/7/18 19:55pm]

[Snip - luv4u]

Krystalkisses said:

Camileyun said:

So, for anyone still interested in the investigation, I'm still trying to make sense of the backward/ inside out clothing. I'm having a hard time deciphering the maps of PP. Does anyone know if the coat and gloves were between his bedroom and the quickest way to the elevator? Total speculation on my part, but could P. have been running around nude, as he had done in the past when in withdrawals (according to a past assistant) and was found that way? Some have speculated that KJ may have dressed him. Could he have found him, ran to his room, retrieved Ps clothing (maybe tossed on the bed) and in his haste and panic to get back and dress him, dropped part of the pile of clothing and, realizing it was just his coat, just left it there? Then he haphazardly dressed him the way the clothes were taken off, ie. Inside out - all in the 15 mins. he was gone from the others...then he went back and got Meron. If the coat was not between the bedroom and the elevator or stairs, then ignore this theory. [Edited 7/7/18 13:12pm]

Yes I think that is what happened too. I think what KJ told Kim Berry about that was truthful...I can see Prince being the type of person who would feel comfortable walking around his place without clothes and it was a respect thing.

remine me please, what did kim berry say?