PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

gosh bodhi, on the two topics bolded above i fear we have inferred to much in this direction. After sitting in front of Charles (chazz) and hearing him speak about Prince and how loved he was by his parents and his aunties and grandma, it seems from what i heard him say Prince was not abused

he was strong willed from a very very young age and liked to get his way. And when he could not

and was perhaps punished that is wasn't abuse that he suffered. He wanted his way. And after touring his neighborhood his running away seemed to constitute going a few streets over to where

his grandma or auntie lived. Prince chose to leave his house cause he knew there where homes in the hood where the mothers requested less. Apparently Andres mom was loved so much because she

only asked that the be in school and not miss. but were allowed to stay up late and do music as much

as they liked. P's parents were obviously stricter and wanted more chores out of him. i can't hate

on his parents for wanting to give him something that he evidently needed. He came from people

who were the last of the Great Migration i am sure their thoughts were a little less coddling

about him "running away" to someone they knew. Anyway i just want to put that out there

cause i likely think this is in part of the myth making or simply letting us infer what we would like

into his story and never correcting it along the way was part of it all. He knew what we made up

in our heads is better than the truth.

we're judging things we can't possibly know. some people have thought Prince might have been spoiled, i never, ever thought of him that way. anyone who grew up around black men in that era (my stepdad was black) had to really be careful of everything they said and did. Also, we don't know about the possibility of sexual abuse, it was pretty commonplace, today it might be harder to get away with but then, people just swept it under the rug but it happened. it took years of being a hendrix fan to find out he was molested and whitney houston was supposedly molested too. Also, Prince never behaved like he was totally spoiled, now, i know he was indeed spoiled when it came to how he expected to make music but his work ethic and standards, well.., most people who are soft and spoiled do not have that, they didn't grow up hungry so they don't know anything about those kinds of things.

understood pete, i just was putting that out there that we may consider what might also be an

image lure with some of the others that he might have let us package up on our own as part of his

lore. i am speaking specifically about the childabuse. i personally found chazz believeable when he said he wasn't abused.

and also the susannah M interview with Toure, she says as much too. that is for folks

who might be more inclined to believe her, not that your like that.

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I, like nearly all of us here, did not know the man personally. I “knew” him through what he chose to make available to me, most importantly, his music. I’m hesitant to assume I know how HE felt about his private life — if it was happy, sad, whatever. How I might have felt living the life he did (insofar as I even knew what his private life entailed) is not necessarily what HE felt.
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Many of us here think of him as someone who was always in control — or made every attempt that be. But in the next breath we talk about him like he was a perpetual victim, forever taken advantage of those around him, surrounded by horrible users who he was helpless in the face off, etc.
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He had the relationships he chose to have. He wasn’t a child. If he desperately wanted different kinds of relationship, he could have sought them out.
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And we shouldn’t forget that most of his life was something the rest of only dream of. And I don’t mean the money, the sex, etc. I mean taken your god-given talents and pushing them as far as they go, in the face of adversity inside and out, and creating something in the world that impacts the lives of millions of people — that connects with these people and in its way makes their lives BETTER! How many of us can say we’ve come close to any of that?
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So let’s not get to crazy with the armchair psychology and handwringing over how sad, tragic, disappointing, whatever. We have his music — what he wanted us to know him by — ans the music hadn’t changed.
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(Sorry not trying to derail a thread about his death investigation)

Strawberrylova123 said:

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purplefam99 said:

Has it really? Do we really know much about the truth of Prince's personal life? Much of what Trevor speculated have been denied by close associates from the 80's onwards.

disch said:

- I, like nearly all of us here, did not know the man personally. I “knew” him through what he chose to make available to me, most importantly, his music. I’m hesitant to assume I know how HE felt about his private life — if it was happy, sad, whatever. How I might have felt living the life he did (insofar as I even knew what his private life entailed) is not necessarily what HE felt. - Many of us here think of him as someone who was always in control — or made every attempt that be. But in the next breath we talk about him like he was a perpetual victim, forever taken advantage of those around him, surrounded by horrible users who he was helpless in the face off, etc. - He had the relationships he chose to have. He wasn’t a child. If he desperately wanted different kinds of relationship, he could have sought them out. - And we shouldn’t forget that most of his life was something the rest of only dream of. And I don’t mean the money, the sex, etc. I mean taken your god-given talents and pushing them as far as they go, in the face of adversity inside and out, and creating something in the world that impacts the lives of millions of people — that connects with these people and in its way makes their lives BETTER! How many of us can say we’ve come close to any of that? - So let’s not get to crazy with the armchair psychology and handwringing over how sad, tragic, disappointing, whatever. We have his music — what he wanted us to know him by — ans the music hadn’t changed. - (Sorry not trying to derail a thread about his death investigation) Strawberrylova123 said:

We need to stop being prince's therapist. We didn't know him or what was going on in his mind emotionally.

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Very well said.

TrevorAyer said:

Kindly admit that you are speculating.

purplefam99 said:

PeteSilas said:

we're judging things we can't possibly know. some people have thought Prince might have been spoiled, i never, ever thought of him that way. anyone who grew up around black men in that era (my stepdad was black) had to really be careful of everything they said and did. Also, we don't know about the possibility of sexual abuse, it was pretty commonplace, today it might be harder to get away with but then, people just swept it under the rug but it happened. it took years of being a hendrix fan to find out he was molested and whitney houston was supposedly molested too. Also, Prince never behaved like he was totally spoiled, now, i know he was indeed spoiled when it came to how he expected to make music but his work ethic and standards, well.., most people who are soft and spoiled do not have that, they didn't grow up hungry so they don't know anything about those kinds of things.

understood pete, i just was putting that out there that we may consider what might also be an

image lure with some of the others that he might have let us package up on our own as part of his

lore. i am speaking specifically about the childabuse. i personally found chazz believeable when he said he wasn't abused.

and also the susannah M interview with Toure, she says as much too. that is for folks

who might be more inclined to believe her, not that your like that.

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different kinds of abuse too, abandonement screws people up bad, prince was older (12) so he maybe wouldn't have been as scarred as someone who has abandonment issues from 4 and younger but it still left scars obviously. Hell, just think of how many traumatic or hurtful things you been through as a full grown adult that you can't get over. I don't know if Prince was beat but there are other ways, some worse mentally than physical beatings. not too many people have healthy families to begin with, maybe 5 or 10 percent. maybe less. I have said, though, that Prince's lifestyle, he could afford never to really mature past a lot of those issues, it's why you had a 57 year old man with the same issues he had at 12, that's just a waste and a shame. Most of us have to let go or grow up past our issues, he didn't and that's kinda pathetic.

paulludvig said:

TrevorAyer said:

paul u are one of a few who shit on me whenever i post .. kindly f off .. find someone else to stalk

Kindly admit that you are speculating.

I am not speculating, I am concluding .. u are coming on a thread and contributing nothing just to dog me .. seriously ... go on trevor.org if u wanna talk about me

PeteSilas said:

purplefam99 said:

understood pete, i just was putting that out there that we may consider what might also be an

image lure with some of the others that he might have let us package up on our own as part of his

lore. i am speaking specifically about the childabuse. i personally found chazz believeable when he said he wasn't abused.

and also the susannah M interview with Toure, she says as much too. that is for folks

who might be more inclined to believe her, not that your like that.

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different kinds of abuse too, abandonement screws people up bad, prince was older (12) so he maybe wouldn't have been as scarred as someone who has abandonment issues from 4 and younger but it still left scars obviously. Hell, just think of how many traumatic or hurtful things you been through as a full grown adult that you can't get over. I don't know if Prince was beat but there are other ways, some worse mentally than physical beatings. not too many people have healthy families to begin with, maybe 5 or 10 percent. maybe less. I have said, though, that Prince's lifestyle, he could afford never to really mature past a lot of those issues, it's why you had a 57 year old man with the same issues he had at 12, that's just a waste and a shame. Most of us have to let go or grow up past our issues, he didn't and that's kinda pathetic.

You know Pete....

sometimes I wonder if we are talking about the SAME Prince....?

Most of what is postulated/concluded about Prince on this thread in particular can certainly be said about the Young man, but everything Ive read about him in his later years, suggests a very different

picture than the one you and others here try to paint.

I see a man who very much tackled his umm..

"issues" and continued to GROW and EVOLVE as a Human Being.

He grew to be very patient, tolerant and open hearted according to those who actually spent time with him.

In that sense I see that Prince lead a very progressive life..

In my eyes, he triumphed over many many adversities.

The fact that he died as he did, makes him Human

but the way he LIVED and what he achieved will always make him an EXEMPLARY human..

Not a fake,

not a phony but a man who carried the cross HE had to bear

with Diginty and Grace.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I am kinda late to the party here on this one, but I just wanted to thank u Bodhitheblackdog on saying this. To me pretty much right on. My heart goes out to Prince and all this stuff coming out now does not alter my opinion of Prince one bit. Again, thanx to u for your words here. 💜

i didn't and wouldn't call him fake or phoney. and yes, he grew a lot, a lot but a lot of those core issues seemed to never change, his need for control of everything, being afraid to be in an arena he was not in control over (which a proper rehab would have been), he still got mad over stupid, trivial shit that shouldn't bother a mature person. I used to get mad at things when I was twenty but having been through so much, i can't get upset over things the same way, it's all old hat now. Prince isn't singular either, sinatra, elvis, mj or anyone in that realm of fame gets to play the myth of perpetual adolescence/youth forever but most of those guys don't end up too good for it.

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

different kinds of abuse too, abandonement screws people up bad, prince was older (12) so he maybe wouldn't have been as scarred as someone who has abandonment issues from 4 and younger but it still left scars obviously. Hell, just think of how many traumatic or hurtful things you been through as a full grown adult that you can't get over. I don't know if Prince was beat but there are other ways, some worse mentally than physical beatings. not too many people have healthy families to begin with, maybe 5 or 10 percent. maybe less. I have said, though, that Prince's lifestyle, he could afford never to really mature past a lot of those issues, it's why you had a 57 year old man with the same issues he had at 12, that's just a waste and a shame. Most of us have to let go or grow up past our issues, he didn't and that's kinda pathetic.

You know Pete....

sometimes I wonder if we are talking about the SAME Prince....?

Most of what is postulated/concluded about Prince on this thread in particular can certainly be said about the Young man, but everything Ive read about him in his later years, suggests a very different

picture than the one you and others here try to paint.

I see a man who very much tackled his umm..

"issues" and continued to GROW and EVOLVE as a Human Being.

He grew to be very patient, tolerant and open hearted according to those who actually spent time with him.

In that sense I see that Prince lead a very progressive life..

In my eyes, he triumphed over many many adversities.

The fact that he died as he did, makes him Human

but the way he LIVED and what he achieved will always make him an EXEMPLARY human..

Not a fake,

not a phony but a man who carried the cross HE had to bear

with Diginty and Grace.

PeteSilas said:

i didn't and wouldn't call him fake or phoney. and yes, he grew a lot, a lot but a lot of those core issues seemed to never change, his need for control of everything, being afraid to be in an arena he was not in control over (which a proper rehab would have been), he still got mad over stupid, trivial shit that shouldn't bother a mature person. I used to get mad at things when I was twenty but having been through so much, i can't get upset over things the same way, it's all old hat now. Prince isn't singular either, sinatra, elvis, mj or anyone in that realm of fame gets to play the myth of perpetual adolescence/youth forever but most of those guys don't end up too good for it.

Lovejunky said:

You know Pete....

sometimes I wonder if we are talking about the SAME Prince....?

Most of what is postulated/concluded about Prince on this thread in particular can certainly be said about the Young man, but everything Ive read about him in his later years, suggests a very different

picture than the one you and others here try to paint.

I see a man who very much tackled his umm..

"issues" and continued to GROW and EVOLVE as a Human Being.

He grew to be very patient, tolerant and open hearted according to those who actually spent time with him.

In that sense I see that Prince lead a very progressive life..

In my eyes, he triumphed over many many adversities.

The fact that he died as he did, makes him Human

but the way he LIVED and what he achieved will always make him an EXEMPLARY human..

Not a fake,

not a phony but a man who carried the cross HE had to bear

with Diginty and Grace.

Of course he wanted control over what was essentially HIS SHOW....!!!!!!

and

Can you give me a recent example of him getting mad over stupid shit..as you put it...?

Lovejunky said:

PeteSilas said:

i didn't and wouldn't call him fake or phoney. and yes, he grew a lot, a lot but a lot of those core issues seemed to never change, his need for control of everything, being afraid to be in an arena he was not in control over (which a proper rehab would have been), he still got mad over stupid, trivial shit that shouldn't bother a mature person. I used to get mad at things when I was twenty but having been through so much, i can't get upset over things the same way, it's all old hat now. Prince isn't singular either, sinatra, elvis, mj or anyone in that realm of fame gets to play the myth of perpetual adolescence/youth forever but most of those guys don't end up too good for it.

Of course he wanted control over what was essentially HIS SHOW....!!!!!!

and

Can you give me a recent example of him getting mad over stupid shit..as you put it...?

I think P would have had a real hard time with rehab, that's why it wasn't even considered, the man would have to do everything someone else's way, when has he done that? and for the things he said and did in later years, i don't even really know where to start. He did indeed become more generous, i was just listening to Mark Brown speaking of the 80's he said the revolution got ripped off, i don't know if that's true or not, or if it is true, how true is it? but i always heard he was stingy with money in those years, that definitely changed. He grew in many ways, but not in others, like any of us i guesss. there are still and probably always will be issues i struggle with, but many of the ones i had, i had to just get over or I wouldn't have survived. Prince never had to.

I've been reading this thread off and on, but haven't commented recently. Gave up on this subject months ago as it was more or less endless sniping and tail chasing. My opinion of Prince and the circumstances of his death have not changed since that fateful day. I believe to a large degree he was another victim of the opioid crisis sweeping this country. He may have used other substances earlier in his life. I don't find that hard to believe. It also doesn't upset me. It's sad that some folks here have been crushed by this "news" to the point they are calling him fake and phoney. Seriously, he was in the music business for decades, he had money, he had a grueling schedule, he likely had others in his orbit that used drugs. It would be next to impossible to avoid a very common vice given the above scenario. But he was obviously not just another drugged out rock star i.e. having meltdowns on the regular, and/or publicly exhibiting other destructive, erratic behavior. He worked hard. He maintained a productive career for 40 years. He was focused. He was in control. Until he wasn't. I think Trevor's conclusion makes a great deal of sense.
The womanizing thing some people find disappointing simply baffles me. It's never been a secret that he had a lot of women, or that he courted more than one at a time. Being with a man like that is not something I would personally desire, but I certainly don't begrudge him. How many men wouldn't behave the same way if the opportunity arose? Prince was hardly the only horn dog out there. Women chose to be with him regardless. Who am I to pass judgement on the actions of consenting adults? To each his own.
I adored and admired him, warts and all. Still do, still heartbroken he's no longer here. Help was literally moments away. So close. My anger over that part has subsided. He could have beat this. He had so much unfinished business. I would have loved to see him finish it, and gracefully live to a ripe old age. He deserved that kind of an ending.

sonshine said:

I've been reading this thread off and on, but haven't commented recently. Gave up on this subject months ago as it was more or less endless sniping and tail chasing. My opinion of Prince and the circumstances of his death have not changed since that fateful day. I believe to a large degree he was another victim of the opioid crisis sweeping this country. He may have used other substances earlier in his life. I don't find that hard to believe. It also doesn't upset me. It's sad that some folks here have been crushed by this "news" to the point they are calling him fake and phoney. Seriously, he was in the music business for decades, he had money, he had a grueling schedule, he likely had others in his orbit that used drugs. It would be next to impossible to avoid a very common vice given the above scenario. But he was obviously not just another drugged out rock star i.e. having meltdowns on the regular, and/or publicly exhibiting other destructive, erratic behavior. He worked hard. He maintained a productive career for 40 years. He was focused. He was in control. Until he wasn't. I think Trevor's conclusion makes a great deal of sense. The womanizing thing some people find disappointing simply baffles me. It's never been a secret that he had a lot of women, or that he courted more than one at a time. Being with a man like that is not something I would personally desire, but I certainly don't begrudge him. How many men wouldn't behave the same way if the opportunity arose? Prince was hardly the only horn dog out there. Women chose to be with him regardless. Who am I to pass judgement on the actions of consenting adults? To each his own. I adored and admired him, warts and all. Still do, still heartbroken he's no longer here. Help was literally moments away. So close. My anger over that part has subsided. He could have beat this. He had so much unfinished business. I would have loved to see him finish it, and gracefully live to a ripe old age. He deserved that kind of an ending.

great post

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

I saw "Springsteen on Broadway" in early June. He was great, and the last time I saw him was in 1978! Last night, U2 was here - 10 minutes from my house at a local casino - and I didn't go. Probably should have, never seen them, but I didn't go. We change. I am going to see Charlie Puth on the 19th - I like his voice and his songs, but it will be full of young girls ...

i'd go if i were there, i missed him here in seattle when he was selling his book and taking selfies with fans, i was pissed. I don't really follow much of the local scene so I do miss out sometimes. Personally, i've never really felt much in common with the people around that business. No drugs, no alcohol and (i've said this before much to the irritation of women) the women the business attracts are nasty. they always seem to be fake fawning, bragging who they met but it's really always all about them. it's a turn off because people like that always are trying to turn the spotlight on themselves in some way. The men aren't much better really, both are narcissistic. What gets me is that Prince was a smart man, he had to know what kind of people were around him, maybe he just wanted those people around him. I've said before I thought Ingrid Chavez was one of those nasty kinds of women, he had many others, to me that just tells me that he had some deep insecurity and he needed them at least in his own mind.

I understand.

TrevorAyer said:

You are not concluding, you are practically making things up. I called it speculation to be nice.

sonshine said:

A m e n 💜

sonshine said:

Would you please just address me directly instead of your roundabout way? It is very annoying. You can feel however you want about all this and it is great you have accepted it and you may have been able to process this "news" for 2 years but 2 years ago I couldn't so I didn't pay attention ,it was just too much , I am just now dealing with all of it as the investigation renewed my interest. You have no idea how long I have been a Prince fan or what his music meant to me or how his life , creativity inspired me. And yes I've met rock stars before and am not naive how they are. They are pretty straight up in what they want or what they are into. They certainly don't preach about the Bible. If you don't want me to judge Prince harshly maybe you shouldn't do that to others who are having a hard time with hearing the TRUTH.

sonshine said:

I've been reading this thread off and on, but haven't commented recently. Gave up on this subject months ago as it was more or less endless sniping and tail chasing. My opinion of Prince and the circumstances of his death have not changed since that fateful day. I believe to a large degree he was another victim of the opioid crisis sweeping this country. He may have used other substances earlier in his life. I don't find that hard to believe. It also doesn't upset me. It's sad that some folks here have been crushed by this "news" to the point they are calling him fake and phoney. Seriously, he was in the music business for decades, he had money, he had a grueling schedule, he likely had others in his orbit that used drugs. It would be next to impossible to avoid a very common vice given the above scenario. But he was obviously not just another drugged out rock star i.e. having meltdowns on the regular, and/or publicly exhibiting other destructive, erratic behavior. He worked hard. He maintained a productive career for 40 years. He was focused. He was in control. Until he wasn't. I think Trevor's conclusion makes a great deal of sense. The womanizing thing some people find disappointing simply baffles me. It's never been a secret that he had a lot of women, or that he courted more than one at a time. Being with a man like that is not something I would personally desire, but I certainly don't begrudge him. How many men wouldn't behave the same way if the opportunity arose? Prince was hardly the only horn dog out there. Women chose to be with him regardless. Who am I to pass judgement on the actions of consenting adults? To each his own. I adored and admired him, warts and all. Still do, still heartbroken he's no longer here. Help was literally moments away. So close. My anger over that part has subsided. He could have beat this. He had so much unfinished business. I would have loved to see him finish it, and gracefully live to a ripe old age. He deserved that kind of an ending.

i agree, well said.

Krystalkisses said:

sonshine said:

I've been reading this thread off and on, but haven't commented recently. Gave up on this subject months ago as it was more or less endless sniping and tail chasing. My opinion of Prince and the circumstances of his death have not changed since that fateful day. I believe to a large degree he was another victim of the opioid crisis sweeping this country. He may have used other substances earlier in his life. I don't find that hard to believe. It also doesn't upset me. It's sad that some folks here have been crushed by this "news" to the point they are calling him fake and phoney. Seriously, he was in the music business for decades, he had money, he had a grueling schedule, he likely had others in his orbit that used drugs. It would be next to impossible to avoid a very common vice given the above scenario. But he was obviously not just another drugged out rock star i.e. having meltdowns on the regular, and/or publicly exhibiting other destructive, erratic behavior. He worked hard. He maintained a productive career for 40 years. He was focused. He was in control. Until he wasn't. I think Trevor's conclusion makes a great deal of sense. The womanizing thing some people find disappointing simply baffles me. It's never been a secret that he had a lot of women, or that he courted more than one at a time. Being with a man like that is not something I would personally desire, but I certainly don't begrudge him. How many men wouldn't behave the same way if the opportunity arose? Prince was hardly the only horn dog out there. Women chose to be with him regardless. Who am I to pass judgement on the actions of consenting adults? To each his own. I adored and admired him, warts and all. Still do, still heartbroken he's no longer here. Help was literally moments away. So close. My anger over that part has subsided. He could have beat this. He had so much unfinished business. I would have loved to see him finish it, and gracefully live to a ripe old age. He deserved that kind of an ending.

Would you please just address me directly instead of your roundabout way? It is very annoying. You can feel however you want about all this and it is great you have accepted it and you may have been able to process this "news" for 2 years but 2 years ago I couldn't so I didn't pay attention ,it was just too much , I am just now dealing with all of it as the investigation renewed my interest. You have no idea how long I have been a Prince fan or what his music meant to me or how his life , creativity inspired me. And yes I've met rock stars before and am not naive how they are. They are pretty straight up in what they want or what they are into. They certainly don't preach about the Bible. If you don't want me to judge Prince harshly maybe you shouldn't do that to others who are having a hard time with hearing the TRUTH.

we understand krystal, sorry if it is coming off harsh in your particular direction. i understand

we choose to grieve we we are able. i too wasn't ready to talk until i joined here. so take your

time go thru all the processing you need. try to take heart that we have been where you are.

and thank you for reminding us that we are suppose to be community here. the fake and phoney

was hard to hear without any other word attached to it. again take your time.

My post was not directed at you specifically krystal, not at all. I'm sorry you feel that way. Pleaae don't take offense. You certainly aren't the only one struggling with mixed feelings over all of this. So i did not have anyone particularly in mind when i wrote my response. I understand emotions are all over the place right now so I'm not going to say anymore than that right now lest I make you feel more defensive.
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purplefam99 said:

Thank you for being patient violetcrush. I'm sorry for lashing out with that mean comment , I sometimes do that when I get extremely upset. I probably should explain myself , it just upset me because I am confused as to how much of Prince was genuine/authentic and and what was manufactured/contrived. the idea of him manipulating all his loyal fans pissed me off. Of course I can't really know his intentions but I guess just entertaining that idea as a real possibility angered me. Prince always seemed so sure of himself, strong, confident , it was very inspiring to me growing up so shy and being such a people pleaser. He just seemed to have a i don't give a fuck additude , it was just something I wanted to have. The idea that he had help from chemicals since the beginning crushed my fantasy.

And for those who are gonna bitch at me like well , getting up onstage in your underwear in front of a group of people without drugs would be next to impossible I HAVE been onstage nude before stone cold sober when I was only a 20 year old GIRL!!! So please no one try to explain to me how vulnerable that feeling is.

Krystalkisses said:

Saying that P was just another victim of the opiate crisis implies he was prescribed meds. for a legitimate reason and, as a result, became addicted. We were not blind to the affects of these drugs "back in the day" and we all knew about addiction. The fact is, he chose this path - he was not a victim. I understand where Krystalkisses is coming from, although I cannot speak for her. It feels like a betrayal, whether he intended it to or not - people are gonna feel the way they feel until they come to terms with it all. There is nothing wrong with that - P.s fans should support each other - don't pretend you weren't a bit shocked from the beginning. Krystalkisses is just being honest with herself, which is a good thing.

Camileyun said:

Thank you girl.

Of course I was shocked. I believed Prince was too smart to allow such a thing to happen. It really hit home for me how powerfully addictive these drugs are. The opioid crisis in this country is multi-layered for lack of a better word. There are many different factors contributing to it. Lots of people became addicts who were never prescribed the drugs legitimately. So at least to some extent he was just another victim of a very complex and complicated epidemic.
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sonshine said:

Totally agree, unfortunately intelligence doesn't preclude addiction. Like it or not, Prince has become a cautionary tale.

sonshine said:

Of course I was shocked. I believed Prince was too smart to allow such a thing to happen. It really hit home for me how powerfully addictive these drugs are. The opioid crisis in this country is multi-layered for lack of a better word. There are many different factors contributing to it. Lots of people became addicts who were never prescribed the drugs legitimately. So to an extent he wa another victim of a very complex and complicated epidemic. [Edited 7/6/18 11:10am]

i did too, meaning, thought he was too smart, actually he was, so that tells us that addiction is sneaky and can surpass intelligence. Also, I am not ready to believe his denials, i think he was fucking with people, I think it's possible still that he knew the pills would get him and/ or he was just ready to go. his statements to judith, his songs, i don't know whether it was boredom, his pain, depression or what but maybe he was just ready to leave this world, that was really his choice if he did. He was always a spiritual person, maybe he wanted to see what was over there for himself and didn't want to wait.

Camileyun said:

This is so true. If there is any comfort at all in the senseless tragedy of his untimely death it is that his case seems to have given opiate abuse the attention it needed to spawn real debate and real action towards addressing and combatting the resulting rampant addiction.
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PeteSilas said:

Just an aside regarding Judith, if you were really romantically involved with someone and they went on about how bored they were, wouldn't you feel a little insulted (to say nothing of thinking they had a 50 pct. chance of being suicidal)? I would have been like WTF, Prince!!!

Camileyun said:

PeteSilas said:

i did too, meaning, thought he was too smart, actually he was, so that tells us that addiction is sneaky and can surpass intelligence. Also, I am not ready to believe his denials, i think he was fucking with people, I think it's possible still that he knew the pills would get him and/ or he was just ready to go. his statements to judith, his songs, i don't know whether it was boredom, his pain, depression or what but maybe he was just ready to leave this world, that was really his choice if he did. He was always a spiritual person, maybe he wanted to see what was over there for himself and didn't want to wait.

Just an aside regarding Judith, if you were really romantically involved with someone and they went on about how bored they were, wouldn't you feel a little insulted (to say nothing of thinking they had a 50 pct. chance of being suicidal)? I would have been like WTF, Prince!!!

ya, that didn't make sense, saying "no more pills" to someone who just od'd would do about as much good as saying "no more cheeseburgers" after a heart attack to someone, totally meaningless.