Looks like he was a better actor then I thought.

Where any legit hydrocodone or dialud pills found in PP during the search?

disch said:

the "touching fentanyl will kill you" thing has been debunked, as opioids don't absorb through the skin (unless they have special additives as they put into prescription patches, and even then it's very slow). If opioids could get through skin easily, addicts just rub it on themselves rather than inject, swallow, smoke etc.

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The physical issues reported in scattered stories like the one you cited were almost certainly caused by something other than fentanyl absorption.

Here's an explanation: https://tonic.vice.com/en...rough-skin

XxAxX said:

this is a bit of an aside, but this article claims that a flyer tainted with fentanyl and left on the windshield of a car put an officer in the hospital just because she touched it. yikes.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/06/27/police-warn-about-fentanyl-laced-flyers-after-deputy-hospitalized-for-touching-paper/23469504/

The Harris County Sheriff's Office issued a warning on Tuesday after a flyer laced with the opioid fentanyl put one of its deputies in the hospital.

The deputy in question exited a sheriff's office facility in Houston, Texas, and found a flyer on her windshield, Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said in a press briefing.

She removed the paper and began to drive away before starting to feel lightheaded. The employee was taken to the hospital following the incident and is reportedly alert and in stable condition.

The department launched a follow-up investigation and examined between 15 and 20 of the same flyers placed on nearby vehicles. It found that at least one of the papers tested positive for fentanyl, a powerful opioid 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine.

cont. at link

[Edited 6/27/18 16:07pm]

interesting. if what you say is true then how did the police and investigators make such a huge mistake i wonder

Which police do you mean? The police in that AOL article?

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From what I've read, there have been a couple cases where police claimed that an officer may have became ill due to fentanyl they absorbed through the skin. But the scientists felt that the illness was likely something unrelated (lots of things can make people feel ill, faint, etc.). There have been no cases where someone actually tested positive for fentanyl in the urine/blood due to incidental skin contact.

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if you're REALLY interested, here's a somewhat scientific paper on it: https://www.acmt.net/_Lib...nders_.pdf

XxAxX said:

disch said:

the "touching fentanyl will kill you" thing has been debunked, as opioids don't absorb through the skin (unless they have special additives as they put into prescription patches, and even then it's very slow). If opioids could get through skin easily, addicts just rub it on themselves rather than inject, swallow, smoke etc.

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The physical issues reported in scattered stories like the one you cited were almost certainly caused by something other than fentanyl absorption.

Here's an explanation: https://tonic.vice.com/en...rough-skin

interesting. if what you say is true then how did the police and investigators make such a huge mistake i wonder

Sorry, there are three things I do not understand1 = the bottle of the aleve and that bayer contained identical tablets only that those bayer also had fentalyn?2 = (for those who saw the photos of the body) P had a blue band on his right wrist with a rough, someone has understood what it is?3 = what was the syringe hole on the left arm? he had a crust so it was done before he died.

Roby78 said:

Menes said:

Menes said:

What became of the "items of interest" that were found in the dumpster?

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

Thank you for pointing out the exact place this was stated..

YET- KJ claims "oh, I had NO IDEA...I EVEN had to contact his ex-wife"...MY ASS!!!

Furthermore....having had TWO 2 mg doses..our boy was not wet behind the ears with this, and if he was, don't you think (being how conscientious he was of "knowing his own body") he would have DEMANDED to know WHAT was in the pills he ingested to put him in this state? INSTEAD, he REFUSED all testing. THAT RIGHT THERE tells me not only that fentanly WAS in the pills, but in addition, he KNEW. None of this..."oh, it was what I mixed"- that's kind of along the lines of "well, I only took a tylenol, but can you tell me why I'm feeling antsy, Doc?"

This is all my (limited medical knowledge) opinion.

precioux said:

Menes said:

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

Thank you for pointing out the exact place this was stated..

YET- KJ claims "oh, I had NO IDEA...I EVEN had to contact his ex-wife"...MY ASS!!!

Furthermore....having had TWO 2 mg doses..our boy was not wet behind the ears with this, and if he was, don't you think (being how conscientious he was of "knowing his own body") he would have DEMANDED to know WHAT was in the pills he ingested to put him in this state? INSTEAD, he REFUSED all testing. THAT RIGHT THERE tells me not only that fentanly WAS in the pills, but in addition, he KNEW. None of this..."oh, it was what I mixed"- that's kind of along the lines of "well, I only took a tylenol, but can you tell me why I'm feeling antsy, Doc?"

This is all my (limited medical knowledge) opinion.

GREAT POINTS!!!!! missed you, you need to post more often. xoxo

precioux said:

Menes said:

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

Thank you for pointing out the exact place this was stated..

YET- KJ claims "oh, I had NO IDEA...I EVEN had to contact his ex-wife"...MY ASS!!!

Furthermore....having had TWO 2 mg doses..our boy was not wet behind the ears with this, and if he was, don't you think (being how conscientious he was of "knowing his own body") he would have DEMANDED to know WHAT was in the pills he ingested to put him in this state? INSTEAD, he REFUSED all testing. THAT RIGHT THERE tells me not only that fentanly WAS in the pills, but in addition, he KNEW. None of this..."oh, it was what I mixed"- that's kind of along the lines of "well, I only took a tylenol, but can you tell me why I'm feeling antsy, Doc?"

This is all my (limited medical knowledge) opinion.

Did KJ ever wonder where P gets those percocets at to take after the shows?

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Thank you for pointing out the exact place this was stated..

YET- KJ claims "oh, I had NO IDEA...I EVEN had to contact his ex-wife"...MY ASS!!!

Furthermore....having had TWO 2 mg doses..our boy was not wet behind the ears with this, and if he was, don't you think (being how conscientious he was of "knowing his own body") he would have DEMANDED to know WHAT was in the pills he ingested to put him in this state? INSTEAD, he REFUSED all testing. THAT RIGHT THERE tells me not only that fentanly WAS in the pills, but in addition, he KNEW. None of this..."oh, it was what I mixed"- that's kind of along the lines of "well, I only took a tylenol, but can you tell me why I'm feeling antsy, Doc?"

This is all my (limited medical knowledge) opinion.

Did KJ ever wonder where P gets those percocets at to take after the shows?

Hey Precioux, ! how are ya? Remember that breakdown I gave you of the hydro in his system? Well, I found where Dr' Schulenberg did in fact give us the breakdown. So whomever was expressing that it was not in the report, failed to properly read what you and I already knew and calculated. Funny how we were so far ahead. (smiling).


As I stated earlier, he would have had to have taken a massive amount of (hyrdocodone ) that had nothing else in it in order to reproduce anything close to that overdose that required 4 mg of narcan. He was definitely feeding on fentanyl way before he died of that one "magic pill".

Furthermore, for those who believe he didn't "know" the difference'... when have you ever heard of a long time user of any substance that does not know the strength of the substance he is using? If alcohol is your drug of choice, you will know a weak drink from a strong drink based upon your tolerance. If you smoke marijuana, you know the strength of the weed you're smoking based upon your tolerance. Opiate addicts are no different. If the man was able to adjust his dosage in order to function while dealing with Dr. Schulenberg, its a no brainer for me.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Thank you for pointing out the exact place this was stated..

YET- KJ claims "oh, I had NO IDEA...I EVEN had to contact his ex-wife"...MY ASS!!!

Furthermore....having had TWO 2 mg doses..our boy was not wet behind the ears with this, and if he was, don't you think (being how conscientious he was of "knowing his own body") he would have DEMANDED to know WHAT was in the pills he ingested to put him in this state? INSTEAD, he REFUSED all testing. THAT RIGHT THERE tells me not only that fentanly WAS in the pills, but in addition, he KNEW. None of this..."oh, it was what I mixed"- that's kind of along the lines of "well, I only took a tylenol, but can you tell me why I'm feeling antsy, Doc?"

This is all my (limited medical knowledge) opinion.

Did KJ ever wonder where P gets those percocets at to take after the shows?

I find it interesting that when Prince gave Dr. S a urine sample on the 20th, his system had legit hydrocodone and hydromorphine (I am not sure if the levels were high, that is beyond my knowledge). Prince did not allow a blood/urine test in Moline. Was he hiding his fentanyl at that point?

That also makes me wonder if any legit pills were found in the search for hydrocodone and hydromorphone.

Also, the Vitamin C bottle had Watson 853 in them and I think they tested positive for fentanyl.

We've all talked a lot about the plane OD and what caused it -- we've discussed extensively that it was most likely fentanyl that caused it, same as what caused his fatal OD and delivered the same way (in the counterfeit pill).

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But I don't think the facts we have show he knew the counterfeit pills contained fentanyl. Look, Prince was the king of denial. He himself said that if you just didn't think about a problem it went away (paraphrasing). You're assuming his thought process on this whole issue was exactly like yours (or mine or anyone else's) would be, and I think we have reason to believe that when he was faced with very challenging realities, his thought process was idiosyncratic and not always connected to obvious truths.

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In other words, it's possible he really did convince himself/believe that the plane incident was caused by something other than a laced pill, and that it wasn't as big a deal as others around him were indicating.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Did KJ ever wonder where P gets those percocets at to take after the shows?

Hey Precioux, ! how are ya? Remember that breakdown I gave you of the hydro in his system? Well, I found where Dr' Schulenberg did in fact give us the breakdown. So whomever was expressing that it was not in the report, failed to properly read what you and I already knew and calculated. Funny how we were so far ahead. (smiling).


As I stated earlier, he would have had to have taken a massive amount of (hyrdocodone ) that had nothing else in it in order to reproduce anything close to that overdose that required 4 mg of narcan. He was definitely feeding on fentanyl way before he died of that one "magic pill".

Furthermore, for those who believe he didn't "know" the difference'... when have you ever heard of a long time user of any substance that does not know the strength of the substance he is using? If alcohol is your drug of choice, you will know a weak drink from a strong drink based upon your tolerance. If you smoke marijuana, you know the strength of the weed you're smoking based upon your tolerance. Opiate addicts are no different. If the man was able to adjust his dosage in order to function while dealing with Dr. Schulenberg, its a no brainer for me.

Menes said:

Menes said:

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

To be continued. Good night.

The tangled web of hydrocodone pills vs. the fentanyl +lidocaine pills.

On 06-03-16 the following is a summary of testing done on the pills.

1. Item #37 BCA item # 8 ( the contents of the aleve bottle on the night stand) contains 21.5 white oblong pills marked watson 853 pills were tested and found to contain lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. They were made to look like a hydrocodone pill. Please take note that the 853's are not even 853's in this batch.

One should really inquire and investigate how/why lidocaine is used for opiate withdrawals. Please also remember that this is not the first time that we have read of lidocaine in the reports. Dr. Schulenberg prescribed lidocaine for Prince to treat his withdrawals, but PRINCE WAS ALREADY AWARE OF USING LIDOCAINE TO TREAT WITHDRAWALS! This is not a widely known fact by the masses. It is still deemed "experimental" by the masses.


Oh to be a fly on the wall and see the astonished look on Prince's face when he pretended to hear about lidocaine for the first time from his treating physician. He must have done everything in his power to keep from busting out laughing . As stated, this is a very smart man.

2. Item#38 BCA #9; (The prescription bottle in the suitcase with Kirk's name on it). One of the ten pills contained oxycodone. It does not say if the pill was marked as: Waston 853. My opinion is that this could be another opiate.

3. Item #40 BCA #11 ( the contents of the Bayer bottle found on nightstand near Prince's bed) contains 64.5 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. Test conducted on one of the pills showed fentanyl and lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. In my opinion this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(1).

4. Item #41 BCa #12 ( contents of tissue paper from jewelry box) contained 15 white oblong pills marked watson 853. test was conducted on one of the pi.ls which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine).In my opinion this is another fenatnyl /lidocaine batch. (2)

5. Item 3 63 BCA item #13 ( contents at bottom of the black bag which was observed on Prince's bed on 4-21, and was seen on the hospital surveillance video in Moline overdose ) contained one yellow pill and was tested and contained hydrocodone. There is no marking to identify this pill.

Item #112 BCA# item #14 (contents of target brand vitamin c bottle located in suitcase found in Prince's bedroom. Contents of the bottle contained (49) whole and 3 half white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills were tested which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine and was another synthetic pill that looked like hydrocodone but wasn't. This is a third fentanyl /lidocaine batch(3)

6. Item # 113 BCA item # 15 (contents of prescription bottle in KJ's name and marked Acetaminophen -COD3 and prescribed by Dr. Boo. Pill was tested and showed it contained only Codeine.

7. Item # 114 BCA Item #16( contents of another vitamin C bottle found in duffle bag in Prince's dressing room) contained (54) white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills tested showed just lidocaine and not hydrocodone as marked. Another pill was tested and showed hydrocodone and nothing else , and a third pill was tested that showed just lidocaine and nothing else, but marked to look like a hydrocodone pill. This bottle is the hydrocodone /lidocaine batch. No fentanyl .

Item # 115 BCA Item #17 (contents of the CVS pharmacy bottle in black suit case in Prince's bedroom) contained (27) white oblong pills . One of the pills was tested which showed the pill fentanyl and lidocaine . My opinion is that this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(4).

Items #116,117 along with nasal spray and visine bottle found in Princes bedroom were tested and shown not to contain any controlled substances.

Page 152 # 172 -174.

* Of note, Scientist Sam Godlstarnd examined each pill individually both in apperance and size and found either the contents of the container were the same or some of the pills appeared different. He stated that if the contents of the bottle apperaed different in some way then those indivudal pills were also tested.

See the pattern yet?

[Edited 6/28/18 16:06pm]

disch said:

We've all talked a lot about the plane OD and what caused it -- we've discussed extensively that it was most likely fentanyl that caused it, same as what caused his fatal OD and delivered the same way (in the counterfeit pill).

-

But I don't think the facts we have show he knew the counterfeit pills contained fentanyl. Look, Prince was the king of denial. He himself said that if you just didn't think about a problem it went away (paraphrasing). You're assuming his thought process on this whole issue was exactly like yours (or mine or anyone else's) would be, and I think we have reason to believe that when he was faced with very challenging realities, his thought process was idiosyncratic and not always connected to obvious truths.

-

In other words, it's possible he really did convince himself/believe that the plane incident was caused by something other than a laced pill, and that it wasn't as big a deal as others around him were indicating.

Menes said:

Hey Precioux, ! how are ya? Remember that breakdown I gave you of the hydro in his system? Well, I found where Dr' Schulenberg did in fact give us the breakdown. So whomever was expressing that it was not in the report, failed to properly read what you and I already knew and calculated. Funny how we were so far ahead. (smiling).


As I stated earlier, he would have had to have taken a massive amount of (hyrdocodone ) that had nothing else in it in order to reproduce anything close to that overdose that required 4 mg of narcan. He was definitely feeding on fentanyl way before he died of that one "magic pill".

Furthermore, for those who believe he didn't "know" the difference'... when have you ever heard of a long time user of any substance that does not know the strength of the substance he is using? If alcohol is your drug of choice, you will know a weak drink from a strong drink based upon your tolerance. If you smoke marijuana, you know the strength of the weed you're smoking based upon your tolerance. Opiate addicts are no different. If the man was able to adjust his dosage in order to function while dealing with Dr. Schulenberg, its a no brainer for me.

HAHAHA ! Im just smiling over here. Keep reading.

P's autopsy showed oxycodone and hydrocodone in his urine,

and fentanyl in his blood.

So did he have legit oxy and hydro on the premises but the police didnt find them during the search?

Menes, I have no idea what you're talking about and if you can't express yourself in clear, standard english, then engaging with you is not fruitful.

Menes said:

disch said:

We've all talked a lot about the plane OD and what caused it -- we've discussed extensively that it was most likely fentanyl that caused it, same as what caused his fatal OD and delivered the same way (in the counterfeit pill).

-

But I don't think the facts we have show he knew the counterfeit pills contained fentanyl. Look, Prince was the king of denial. He himself said that if you just didn't think about a problem it went away (paraphrasing). You're assuming his thought process on this whole issue was exactly like yours (or mine or anyone else's) would be, and I think we have reason to believe that when he was faced with very challenging realities, his thought process was idiosyncratic and not always connected to obvious truths.

-

In other words, it's possible he really did convince himself/believe that the plane incident was caused by something other than a laced pill, and that it wasn't as big a deal as others around him were indicating.

HAHAHA ! Im just smiling over here. Keep reading.

disch said:

We've all talked a lot about the plane OD and what caused it -- we've discussed extensively that it was most likely fentanyl that caused it, same as what caused his fatal OD and delivered the same way (in the counterfeit pill).

-

But I don't think the facts we have show he knew the counterfeit pills contained fentanyl. Look, Prince was the king of denial. He himself said that if you just didn't think about a problem it went away (paraphrasing). You're assuming his thought process on this whole issue was exactly like yours (or mine or anyone else's) would be, and I think we have reason to believe that when he was faced with very challenging realities, his thought process was idiosyncratic and not always connected to obvious truths.

-

In other words, it's possible he really did convince himself/believe that the plane incident was caused by something other than a laced pill, and that it wasn't as big a deal as others around him were indicating.

Menes said:

Hey Precioux, ! how are ya? Remember that breakdown I gave you of the hydro in his system? Well, I found where Dr' Schulenberg did in fact give us the breakdown. So whomever was expressing that it was not in the report, failed to properly read what you and I already knew and calculated. Funny how we were so far ahead. (smiling).


As I stated earlier, he would have had to have taken a massive amount of (hyrdocodone ) that had nothing else in it in order to reproduce anything close to that overdose that required 4 mg of narcan. He was definitely feeding on fentanyl way before he died of that one "magic pill".

Furthermore, for those who believe he didn't "know" the difference'... when have you ever heard of a long time user of any substance that does not know the strength of the substance he is using? If alcohol is your drug of choice, you will know a weak drink from a strong drink based upon your tolerance. If you smoke marijuana, you know the strength of the weed you're smoking based upon your tolerance. Opiate addicts are no different. If the man was able to adjust his dosage in order to function while dealing with Dr. Schulenberg, its a no brainer for me.

Disch: thanks for reminding us of the obvious; the man always made his own reality. Maybe we're chasing our tails trying to apply our 'mere mortal' logic to the Purple Kingdom.

Menes said:

Menes said:

To be continued. Good night.

The tangled web of hydrocodone pills vs. the fentanyl +lidocaine pills.

On 06-03-16 the following is a summary of testing done on the pills.

1. Item #37 BCA item # 8 ( the contents of the aleve bottle on the night stand) contains 21.5 white oblong pills marked watson 853 pills were tested and found to contain lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. They were made to look like a hydrocodone pill. Please take note that the 853's are not even 853's in this batch.

One should really inquire and investigate how/why lidocaine is used for opiate withdrawals. Please also remember that this is not the first time that we have read of lidocaine in the reports. Dr. Schulenberg prescribed lidocaine for Prince to treat his withdrawals, but PRINCE WAS ALREADY AWARE OF USING LIDOCAINE TO TREAT WITHDRAWALS! This is not a widely known fact by the masses. It is still deemed "experimental" by the masses.


Oh to be a fly on the wall and see the astonished look on Prince's face when he pretended to hear about lidocaine for the first time from his treating physician. He must have done everything in his power to keep from busting out laughing . As stated, this is a very smart man.

2. Item#38 BCA #9; (The prescription bottle in the suitcase with Kirk's name on it). One of the ten pills contained oxycodone. It does not say if the pill was marked as: Waston 853. My opinion is that this could be another opiate.

3. Item #40 BCA #11 ( the contents of the Bayer bottle found on nightstand near Prince's bed) contains 64.5 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. Test conducted on one of the pills showed fentanyl and lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. In my opinion this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(1).

4. Item #41 BCa #12 ( contents of tissue paper from jewelry box) contained 15 white oblong pills marked watson 853. test was conducted on one of the pi.ls which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine).In my opinion this is another fenatnyl /lidocaine batch. (2)

5. Item 3 63 BCA item #13 ( contents at bottom of the black bag which was observed on Prince's bed on 4-21, and was seen on the hospital surveillance video in Moline overdose ) contained one yellow pill and was tested and contained hydrocodone. There is no marking to identify this pill.

Item #112 BCA# item #14 (contents of target brand vitamin c bottle located in suitcase found in Prince's bedroom. Contents of the bottle contained (49) whole and 3 half white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills were tested which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine and was another synthetic pill that looked like hydrocodone but wasn't. This is a third fentanyl /lidocaine batch(3)

6. Item # 113 BCA item # 15 (contents of prescription bottle in KJ's name and marked Acetaminophen -COD3 and prescribed by Dr. Boo. Pill was tested and showed it contained only Codeine.

7. Item # 114 BCA Item #16( contents of another vitamin C bottle found in duffle bag in Prince's dressing room) contained (54) white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills tested showed just lidocaine and not hydrocodone as marked. Another pill was tested and showed hydrocodone and nothing else , and a third pill was tested that showed just lidocaine and nothing else, but marked to look like a hydrocodone pill. This bottle is the hydrocodone /lidocaine batch. No fentanyl .

Item # 115 BCA Item #17 (contents of the CVS pharmacy bottle in black suit case in Prince's bedroom) contained (27) white oblong pills . One of the pills was tested which showed the pill fentanyl and lidocaine . My opinion is that this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(4).

Items #116,117 along with nasal spray and visine bottle found in Princes bedroom were tested and shown not to contain any controlled substances.

Page 152 # 172 -174.

* Of note, Scientist Sam Godlstarnd examined each pill individually both in apperance and size and found either the contents of the container were the same or some of the pills appeared different. He stated that if the contents of the bottle apperaed different in some way then those indivudal pills were also tested.

See the pattern yet?

[Edited 6/28/18 16:06pm]

Dr. Mancha( physician -Moline overdose) interview tidbits with Prince.

On 41-14/4-15 Dr. Mancha is advised there was an overdose in one of the examination rooms. She was not aware that it was Prince.

Dr. Mancha states that patient told her he took "two percocets".

Dr. Mancha asked if he had the pills with him and he indicated that he did and directed KJ to grab them out of his bag (interesting).

Dr. Mancha stated that she looked at the prescription bottle and noted that the contents said "percocet" and it appeared there were Percocet pills remaining in the bottle. Dr. Mancha did not note the date or pharmacy on the bottle .

Dr. Mancha said that at point, she became a bit more stern with the patient and told him he was lying to her in a roundabout way because he had to have taken more than (2) percocets per the overdose.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he had been ill lately. Then answer was "no".

Dr. Mancha stated that she asked Prince if he was suicidal. Prince looked directly at her and said "absolutely not"!

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he was "mixing" medications and he said, "no".

Dr. Mancha again asked Prince to run some test. Prince adamantly refused.

* Dr. Mancha leaves; Kirk follows. Kirk hands Dr. Mancha a Bayer aspirin bottle and asked her "could this be why"?( rings a bell)?

Dr. Mancha sent one of the pills off to the pharmacist and it came back as 10-325 hydrocodone.

The pharmacist only identified the pill by the number stamped on it. There was no testing to authenticate said pill. But we have it!

Dr. Mancha revisits Prince and tells him that he's mixing medication and asked him" is there anything else"? Prince replies ",no". *Jesus, he gave her the evidence, got busted, then denied it.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he needed any help and Prince replies" No, absolutely not".


Page #165 #261- 269

Next up.. "the dealers"/ the "connections". Stay tuned.

[Edited 6/28/18 16:53pm]

disch said:

Menes, I have no idea what you're talking about and if you can't express yourself in clear, standard english, then engaging with you is not fruitful.

Menes said:

HAHAHA ! Im just smiling over here. Keep reading.

Ya, dont engage. I'm typing in Rabbinical Hebrew.

To me, the pills that were marked 853 that was just lidocaine, seems to be that he got took from the dealer. Could it be he actually wasn't trying to withdraw, he was just taking the lidocaine and it wasn't doing anything?

Also, what script did Dr. S give P that was lidocaine?

Are you saying that he had to have several batches of the fentanyl? So it just wasn't a 1 time buy?

Menes said:

Menes said:

To be continued. Good night.

The tangled web of hydrocodone pills vs. the fentanyl +lidocaine pills.

On 06-03-16 the following is a summary of testing done on the pills.

1. Item #37 BCA item # 8 ( the contents of the aleve bottle on the night stand) contains 21.5 white oblong pills marked watson 853 pills were tested and found to contain lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. They were made to look like a hydrocodone pill. Please take note that the 853's are not even 853's in this batch.

One should really inquire and investigate how/why lidocaine is used for opiate withdrawals. Please also remember that this is not the first time that we have read of lidocaine in the reports. Dr. Schulenberg prescribed lidocaine for Prince to treat his withdrawals, but PRINCE WAS ALREADY AWARE OF USING LIDOCAINE TO TREAT WITHDRAWALS! This is not a widely known fact by the masses. It is still deemed "experimental" by the masses.


Oh to be a fly on the wall and see the astonished look on Prince's face when he pretended to hear about lidocaine for the first time from his treating physician. He must have done everything in his power to keep from busting out laughing . As stated, this is a very smart man.

2. Item#38 BCA #9; (The prescription bottle in the suitcase with Kirk's name on it). One of the ten pills contained oxycodone. It does not say if the pill was marked as: Waston 853. My opinion is that this could be another opiate.

3. Item #40 BCA #11 ( the contents of the Bayer bottle found on nightstand near Prince's bed) contains 64.5 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. Test conducted on one of the pills showed fentanyl and lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. In my opinion this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(1).

4. Item #41 BCa #12 ( contents of tissue paper from jewelry box) contained 15 white oblong pills marked watson 853. test was conducted on one of the pi.ls which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine).In my opinion this is another fenatnyl /lidocaine batch. (2)

5. Item 3 63 BCA item #13 ( contents at bottom of the black bag which was observed on Prince's bed on 4-21, and was seen on the hospital surveillance video in Moline overdose ) contained one yellow pill and was tested and contained hydrocodone. There is no marking to identify this pill.

Item #112 BCA# item #14 (contents of target brand vitamin c bottle located in suitcase found in Prince's bedroom. Contents of the bottle contained (49) whole and 3 half white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills were tested which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine and was another synthetic pill that looked like hydrocodone but wasn't. This is a third fentanyl /lidocaine batch(3)

6. Item # 113 BCA item # 15 (contents of prescription bottle in KJ's name and marked Acetaminophen -COD3 and prescribed by Dr. Boo. Pill was tested and showed it contained only Codeine.

7. Item # 114 BCA Item #16( contents of another vitamin C bottle found in duffle bag in Prince's dressing room) contained (54) white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills tested showed just lidocaine and not hydrocodone as marked. Another pill was tested and showed hydrocodone and nothing else , and a third pill was tested that showed just lidocaine and nothing else, but marked to look like a hydrocodone pill. This bottle is the hydrocodone /lidocaine batch. No fentanyl .

Item # 115 BCA Item #17 (contents of the CVS pharmacy bottle in black suit case in Prince's bedroom) contained (27) white oblong pills . One of the pills was tested which showed the pill fentanyl and lidocaine . My opinion is that this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(4).

Items #116,117 along with nasal spray and visine bottle found in Princes bedroom were tested and shown not to contain any controlled substances.

Page 152 # 172 -174.

* Of note, Scientist Sam Godlstarnd examined each pill individually both in apperance and size and found either the contents of the container were the same or some of the pills appeared different. He stated that if the contents of the bottle apperaed different in some way then those indivudal pills were also tested.

See the pattern yet?

[Edited 6/28/18 16:06pm]

Menes said:

Menes said:

The tangled web of hydrocodone pills vs. the fentanyl +lidocaine pills.

On 06-03-16 the following is a summary of testing done on the pills.

1. Item #37 BCA item # 8 ( the contents of the aleve bottle on the night stand) contains 21.5 white oblong pills marked watson 853 pills were tested and found to contain lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. They were made to look like a hydrocodone pill. Please take note that the 853's are not even 853's in this batch.

One should really inquire and investigate how/why lidocaine is used for opiate withdrawals. Please also remember that this is not the first time that we have read of lidocaine in the reports. Dr. Schulenberg prescribed lidocaine for Prince to treat his withdrawals, but PRINCE WAS ALREADY AWARE OF USING LIDOCAINE TO TREAT WITHDRAWALS! This is not a widely known fact by the masses. It is still deemed "experimental" by the masses.


Oh to be a fly on the wall and see the astonished look on Prince's face when he pretended to hear about lidocaine for the first time from his treating physician. He must have done everything in his power to keep from busting out laughing . As stated, this is a very smart man.

2. Item#38 BCA #9; (The prescription bottle in the suitcase with Kirk's name on it). One of the ten pills contained oxycodone. It does not say if the pill was marked as: Waston 853. My opinion is that this could be another opiate.

3. Item #40 BCA #11 ( the contents of the Bayer bottle found on nightstand near Prince's bed) contains 64.5 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. Test conducted on one of the pills showed fentanyl and lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. In my opinion this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(1).

4. Item #41 BCa #12 ( contents of tissue paper from jewelry box) contained 15 white oblong pills marked watson 853. test was conducted on one of the pi.ls which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine).In my opinion this is another fenatnyl /lidocaine batch. (2)

5. Item 3 63 BCA item #13 ( contents at bottom of the black bag which was observed on Prince's bed on 4-21, and was seen on the hospital surveillance video in Moline overdose ) contained one yellow pill and was tested and contained hydrocodone. There is no marking to identify this pill.

Item #112 BCA# item #14 (contents of target brand vitamin c bottle located in suitcase found in Prince's bedroom. Contents of the bottle contained (49) whole and 3 half white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills were tested which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine and was another synthetic pill that looked like hydrocodone but wasn't. This is a third fentanyl /lidocaine batch(3)

6. Item # 113 BCA item # 15 (contents of prescription bottle in KJ's name and marked Acetaminophen -COD3 and prescribed by Dr. Boo. Pill was tested and showed it contained only Codeine.

7. Item # 114 BCA Item #16( contents of another vitamin C bottle found in duffle bag in Prince's dressing room) contained (54) white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills tested showed just lidocaine and not hydrocodone as marked. Another pill was tested and showed hydrocodone and nothing else , and a third pill was tested that showed just lidocaine and nothing else, but marked to look like a hydrocodone pill. This bottle is the hydrocodone /lidocaine batch. No fentanyl .

Item # 115 BCA Item #17 (contents of the CVS pharmacy bottle in black suit case in Prince's bedroom) contained (27) white oblong pills . One of the pills was tested which showed the pill fentanyl and lidocaine . My opinion is that this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(4).

Items #116,117 along with nasal spray and visine bottle found in Princes bedroom were tested and shown not to contain any controlled substances.

Page 152 # 172 -174.

* Of note, Scientist Sam Godlstarnd examined each pill individually both in apperance and size and found either the contents of the container were the same or some of the pills appeared different. He stated that if the contents of the bottle apperaed different in some way then those indivudal pills were also tested.

See the pattern yet?

[Edited 6/28/18 16:06pm]

Dr. Mancha( physician -Moline overdose) interview tidbits with Prince.

On 41-14/4-15 Dr. Mancha is advised there was an overdose in one of the examination rooms. She was not aware that it was Prince.

Dr. Mancha states that patient told her he took "two percocets".

Dr. Mancha asked if he had the pills with him and he indicated that he did and directed KJ to grab them out of his bag (interesting).

Dr. Mancha stated that she looked at the prescription bottle and noted that the contents said "percocet" and it appeared there were Percocet pills remaining in the bottle. Dr. Mancha did not note the date or pharmacy on the bottle .

Dr. Mancha said that at point, she became a bit more stern with the patient and told him he was lying to her in a roundabout way because he had to have taken more than (2) percocets per the overdose.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he had been ill lately. Then answer was "no".

Dr. Mancha stated that she asked Prince if he was suicidal. Prince looked directly at her and said "absolutely not"!

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he was "mixing" medications and he said, "no".

Dr. Mancha again asked Prince to run some test. Prince adamantly refused.

* Dr. Mancha leaves; Kirk follows. Kirk hands Dr. Mancha a Bayer aspirin bottle and asked her "could this be why"?( rings a bell)?

Dr. Mancha sent one of the pills off to the pharmacist and it came back as 10-325 hydrocodone.

The pharmacist only identified the pill by the number stamped on it. There was no testing to authenticate said pill. But we have it!

Dr. Mancha revisits Prince and tells him that he's mixing medication and asked him" is there anything else"? Prince replies ",no". *Jesus, he gave her the evidence, got busted, then denied it.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he needed any help and Prince replies" No, absolutely not".


Page #165 #261- 269

Next up.. "the dealers"/ the "connections". Stay tuned.

[Edited 6/28/18 16:53pm]

So the bottle KJ grabbed out of the bag, was the percocet? Do you think maybe he then seen the Bayer bottle and took it with out P knowing it, that's why KJ follows her out?

Menes said:

Menes said:

The tangled web of hydrocodone pills vs. the fentanyl +lidocaine pills.

On 06-03-16 the following is a summary of testing done on the pills.

1. Item #37 BCA item # 8 ( the contents of the aleve bottle on the night stand) contains 21.5 white oblong pills marked watson 853 pills were tested and found to contain lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. They were made to look like a hydrocodone pill. Please take note that the 853's are not even 853's in this batch.

One should really inquire and investigate how/why lidocaine is used for opiate withdrawals. Please also remember that this is not the first time that we have read of lidocaine in the reports. Dr. Schulenberg prescribed lidocaine for Prince to treat his withdrawals, but PRINCE WAS ALREADY AWARE OF USING LIDOCAINE TO TREAT WITHDRAWALS! This is not a widely known fact by the masses. It is still deemed "experimental" by the masses.


Oh to be a fly on the wall and see the astonished look on Prince's face when he pretended to hear about lidocaine for the first time from his treating physician. He must have done everything in his power to keep from busting out laughing . As stated, this is a very smart man.

2. Item#38 BCA #9; (The prescription bottle in the suitcase with Kirk's name on it). One of the ten pills contained oxycodone. It does not say if the pill was marked as: Waston 853. My opinion is that this could be another opiate.

3. Item #40 BCA #11 ( the contents of the Bayer bottle found on nightstand near Prince's bed) contains 64.5 white oblong pills marked Watson 853. Test conducted on one of the pills showed fentanyl and lidocaine , not hydrocodone as marked. In my opinion this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(1).

4. Item #41 BCa #12 ( contents of tissue paper from jewelry box) contained 15 white oblong pills marked watson 853. test was conducted on one of the pi.ls which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine).In my opinion this is another fenatnyl /lidocaine batch. (2)

5. Item 3 63 BCA item #13 ( contents at bottom of the black bag which was observed on Prince's bed on 4-21, and was seen on the hospital surveillance video in Moline overdose ) contained one yellow pill and was tested and contained hydrocodone. There is no marking to identify this pill.

Item #112 BCA# item #14 (contents of target brand vitamin c bottle located in suitcase found in Prince's bedroom. Contents of the bottle contained (49) whole and 3 half white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills were tested which showed the pill contained fentanyl and lidocaine and was another synthetic pill that looked like hydrocodone but wasn't. This is a third fentanyl /lidocaine batch(3)

6. Item # 113 BCA item # 15 (contents of prescription bottle in KJ's name and marked Acetaminophen -COD3 and prescribed by Dr. Boo. Pill was tested and showed it contained only Codeine.

7. Item # 114 BCA Item #16( contents of another vitamin C bottle found in duffle bag in Prince's dressing room) contained (54) white oblong pills stamped watson 853. One of the pills tested showed just lidocaine and not hydrocodone as marked. Another pill was tested and showed hydrocodone and nothing else , and a third pill was tested that showed just lidocaine and nothing else, but marked to look like a hydrocodone pill. This bottle is the hydrocodone /lidocaine batch. No fentanyl .

Item # 115 BCA Item #17 (contents of the CVS pharmacy bottle in black suit case in Prince's bedroom) contained (27) white oblong pills . One of the pills was tested which showed the pill fentanyl and lidocaine . My opinion is that this is a fentanyl/lidocaine batch(4).

Items #116,117 along with nasal spray and visine bottle found in Princes bedroom were tested and shown not to contain any controlled substances.

Page 152 # 172 -174.

* Of note, Scientist Sam Godlstarnd examined each pill individually both in apperance and size and found either the contents of the container were the same or some of the pills appeared different. He stated that if the contents of the bottle apperaed different in some way then those indivudal pills were also tested.

See the pattern yet?

[Edited 6/28/18 16:06pm]

Dr. Mancha( physician -Moline overdose) interview tidbits with Prince.

On 41-14/4-15 Dr. Mancha is advised there was an overdose in one of the examination rooms. She was not aware that it was Prince.

Dr. Mancha states that patient told her he took "two percocets".

Dr. Mancha asked if he had the pills with him and he indicated that he did and directed KJ to grab them out of his bag (interesting).

Dr. Mancha stated that she looked at the prescription bottle and noted that the contents said "percocet" and it appeared there were Percocet pills remaining in the bottle. Dr. Mancha did not note the date or pharmacy on the bottle .

Dr. Mancha said that at point, she became a bit more stern with the patient and told him he was lying to her in a roundabout way because he had to have taken more than (2) percocets per the overdose.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he had been ill lately. Then answer was "no".

Dr. Mancha stated that she asked Prince if he was suicidal. Prince looked directly at her and said "absolutely not"!

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he was "mixing" medications and he said, "no".

Dr. Mancha again asked Prince to run some test. Prince adamantly refused.

* Dr. Mancha leaves; Kirk follows. Kirk hands Dr. Mancha a Bayer aspirin bottle and asked her "could this be why"?( rings a bell)?

Dr. Mancha sent one of the pills off to the pharmacist and it came back as 10-325 hydrocodone.

The pharmacist only identified the pill by the number stamped on it. There was no testing to authenticate said pill. But we have it!

Dr. Mancha revisits Prince and tells him that he's mixing medication and asked him" is there anything else"? Prince replies ",no". *Jesus, he gave her the evidence, got busted, then denied it.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he needed any help and Prince replies" No, absolutely not".


Page #165 #261- 269

Next up.. "the dealers"/ the "connections". Stay tuned.

[Edited 6/28/18 16:53pm]

There are certain names mentioned throughout the reports that we should be aware of .

In consideration ,I will not be mentioning Mani's input as it relates to her opinion, however, there is a name that she mentions.

1.During Manuela Testolini's interview, she mentions the name of Stacey LittleJohn out of L.A . The DEA ran a "search" and there was no known name in their database.

*sidenote , Manuela said that when Kirk found Prince, he was wearing the same clothes the previous day/evening when Prince saw the doctor.. Accordingly , Prince did make it upstairs. Let's just cut her off at this point. She had nothing further to add. Easy enough.

2. According to the Omarr's reports, Kirk told Omarr that one of the security guards found Prince. The name given was Shaun Powell. However, the log does not support that as he was signed in at 1303 hours(1:03 pm)Shaun Powellhas never returned a call at the time of the report. Nice follow up.

3. Ray Roberts ( Prince's chef/ long time Opiate addict) - had prescriptions for Buprenorphine.

4. Phaedra Lamkins' sister ( drug addiction/received treatment from Recovery Without Walls).

5 .Prince's request of "petty cash" for 60k recently(assuming recently as in prior to his death).

6. Debra Johnson ( Prince's manager -2013-2015) recalls Prince asking an associate where he could get some pain pills from. No name is given for associate.

7. Crystal Zehetner (Prince's chef/ business affairs manager 2010-2015)- spoke extensively about Prince's drug use and left because she could not watch Prince and his drug abuse. She also claims that Prince would have them find doctors to treat his pain and thar is how Prince was getting his pills. In summary, she stated that everyone knew, to include KIrk and Phaedra.

8. Theo London( Tour manager/Chief of Staff from 2011-2015.) Stated that Prince once asked him to get him something for his pain. When Theo returned with Tylenol, Prince got angry and told him he needed something stronger.

9. Prince had hip surgery at the Mayo Clinic in 2010. Dr. Trosudale was the surgeon who specialized in hip surgery. According to Richard Lee Peloquin, percocet was prescribed after the surgery and when Prince was cut off, he had a negative reaction which was why Prince was running around PP naked claiming that he was hot.

Ok specifically: You said: "keep reading." Reading what? The investigation files? I read those entirely 2 months ago when they were relased. Is there something else I should read?

Menes said:

disch said:

Menes, I have no idea what you're talking about and if you can't express yourself in clear, standard english, then engaging with you is not fruitful.

Ya, dont engage. I'm typing in Rabbinical Hebrew.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Dr. Mancha( physician -Moline overdose) interview tidbits with Prince.

On 41-14/4-15 Dr. Mancha is advised there was an overdose in one of the examination rooms. She was not aware that it was Prince.

Dr. Mancha states that patient told her he took "two percocets".

Dr. Mancha asked if he had the pills with him and he indicated that he did and directed KJ to grab them out of his bag (interesting).

Dr. Mancha stated that she looked at the prescription bottle and noted that the contents said "percocet" and it appeared there were Percocet pills remaining in the bottle. Dr. Mancha did not note the date or pharmacy on the bottle .

Dr. Mancha said that at point, she became a bit more stern with the patient and told him he was lying to her in a roundabout way because he had to have taken more than (2) percocets per the overdose.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he had been ill lately. Then answer was "no".

Dr. Mancha stated that she asked Prince if he was suicidal. Prince looked directly at her and said "absolutely not"!

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he was "mixing" medications and he said, "no".

Dr. Mancha again asked Prince to run some test. Prince adamantly refused.

* Dr. Mancha leaves; Kirk follows. Kirk hands Dr. Mancha a Bayer aspirin bottle and asked her "could this be why"?( rings a bell)?

Dr. Mancha sent one of the pills off to the pharmacist and it came back as 10-325 hydrocodone.

The pharmacist only identified the pill by the number stamped on it. There was no testing to authenticate said pill. But we have it!

Dr. Mancha revisits Prince and tells him that he's mixing medication and asked him" is there anything else"? Prince replies ",no". *Jesus, he gave her the evidence, got busted, then denied it.

Dr. Mancha asked Prince if he needed any help and Prince replies" No, absolutely not".


Page #165 #261- 269

Next up.. "the dealers"/ the "connections". Stay tuned.

[Edited 6/28/18 16:53pm]

So the bottle KJ grabbed out of the bag, was the percocet? Do you think maybe he then seen the Bayer bottle and took it with out P knowing it, that's why KJ follows her out?

NO, it was told to her that it was Percocet. It had a hydrocodone inscription, but it was all smoke and mirrors. Prince tried to throw off Dr. Mancha but she sent it off and had the pharmacist verify the inscription. But here is the thing, , that bayer bottle had fentanyl and lidocaine in one of the pills that were tested! We are making the connection! It was fentanyl! See reply # 9 of my post , item #3.

disch said:

Ok specifically: You said: "keep reading." Reading what? The investigation files? I read those entirely 2 months ago when they were relased. Is there something else I should read?

Keep reading what Menes is telling us. He is laying it out there pretty good, but it takes time.

disch said:

Ok specifically: You said: "keep reading." Reading what? The investigation files? I read those entirely 2 months ago when they were relased. Is there something else I should read?

Menes said:

Ya, dont engage. I'm typing in Rabbinical Hebrew.

Ignore anything I type.

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

Ok specifically: You said: "keep reading." Reading what? The investigation files? I read those entirely 2 months ago when they were relased. Is there something else I should read?

Keep reading what Menes is telling us. He is laying it out there pretty good, but it takes time.

Thank you! It's all there and I will make the connection!

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Keep reading what Menes is telling us. He is laying it out there pretty good, but it takes time.

Thank you! It's all there and I will make the connection!

MENES: en fuego!!!

I mean, I read all the documents already though, and I have to say, I'm not seeing the significance of what Menes is typing.

-

What is the question(s) that Menes is attempting to answer with his observations?

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

Ok specifically: You said: "keep reading." Reading what? The investigation files? I read those entirely 2 months ago when they were relased. Is there something else I should read?

Keep reading what Menes is telling us. He is laying it out there pretty good, but it takes time.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

So the bottle KJ grabbed out of the bag, was the percocet? Do you think maybe he then seen the Bayer bottle and took it with out P knowing it, that's why KJ follows her out?

NO, it was told to her that it was Percocet. It had a hydrocodone inscription, but it was all smoke and mirrors. Prince tried to throw off Dr. Mancha but she sent it off and had the pharmacist verify the inscription. But here is the thing, , that bayer bottle had fentanyl and lidocaine in one of the pills that were tested! We are making the connection! It was fentanyl! See reply # 9 of my post , item #3.

You see, that is why I responded in an earlier post that Moline's overdose, mirrors PP overdose, but does not equate to Dr. Schulenberg's toxicology test( which is all hydrocodone). But you have to understand the amount of hydrocodone per its metabolic rate in a (7) day period. He is regulating usage/ type/ amount and event. If you look at the comments about his moods before, during and after his show , you will see a stark change in it( according to the witnesses). Mood/moment= usage and type. This is atypical behavior.

[Edited 6/28/18 18:39pm]