Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

OMG Penny, you're amazing!

Actually I was going over 5 again, and it fit into the convo. Right time and place.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Zipfile 5 page 127 Dr. S says he did do a drug screen but that test had not came back yet. He said he always runs confirmation tests, and that will tell you any drug in the blood.

And I think when those tests came back they were sent to the ME.

[Edited 6/25/18 18:30pm]

Mmm, page 31 # 60 said this toxicology report was from ME. Im not talking about the one from the night before his death with this post. There are two different ones.

Yes, 2 different ones. 1 from Dr. S, 1 from ME.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

*sidenote* On 5-10, (less than 30 days after the death) , Sherriff Olson had already made arrangements for Bremer bank( administrator) to come to the house? Didn't know that as I wasn't keeping up with the estate thread. That was quick. Is this because of the will/ cremation and so forth? It's not that important to me but was curious.

Is that when they opened the vault?

On 5-11 , they were still not able to get into the vault.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Mmm, page 31 # 60 said this toxicology report was from ME. Im not talking about the one from the night before his death with this post. There are two different ones.

Here it is> 5-12-2016 Dr. Strobel(ME) states that the blood sample taken the night before ( I assume by Dr/ S ) had no fentanyl in it but she asked about nasal sprays found at the scene, as snorting it was the current method of fentanyl abuse. Detective states that nasal spray and eye drops were found> He doesn't say if fentanyl was found in either.page 32 #66

That's when the ME stated that the stomach amount and contents showed it was in pill form not nasal.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Here it is> 5-12-2016 Dr. Strobel(ME) states that the blood sample taken the night before ( I assume by Dr/ S ) had no fentanyl in it but she asked about nasal sprays found at the scene, as snorting it was the current method of fentanyl abuse. Detective states that nasal spray and eye drops were found> He doesn't say if fentanyl was found in either.page 32 #66

That's when the ME stated that the stomach amount and contents showed it was in pill form not nasal.

ok.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Is that when they opened the vault?

On 5-11 , they were still not able to get into the vault.

Looks like it was 5-15?

PennyPurple said:

Not taking that computer was a huge misstep

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Here it is> 5-12-2016 Dr. Strobel(ME) states that the blood sample taken the night before ( I assume by Dr/ S ) had no fentanyl in it but she asked about nasal sprays found at the scene, as snorting it was the current method of fentanyl abuse. Detective states that nasal spray and eye drops were found> He doesn't say if fentanyl was found in either.page 32 #66

That's when the ME stated that the stomach amount and contents showed it was in pill form not nasal.

Yes ,correct. Still dont see where she mentions it was from 853's/ a hydrocodone pill, or, straight fent. Going thru it.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

That's when the ME stated that the stomach amount and contents showed it was in pill form not nasal.

Yes ,correct. Still dont see where she mentions it was from 853's/ a hydrocodone pill, or, straight fent. Going thru it.

So kirk and Meron stayed at the studio up until 2230 hours (10:30 pm) and Prince went to "his side of the building @ 2000 hours ( 8pm)/ chef was there approx until 2030(8:30 pm) according to her?Page 46 #3-7

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think they missed a few things. They should've gotten that computer that day.

Not taking that computer was a huge misstep

Yes, he ( the detective) said he regrets not doing that.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

That's when the ME stated that the stomach amount and contents showed it was in pill form not nasal.

Yes ,correct. Still dont see where she mentions it was from 853's/ a hydrocodone pill, or, straight fent. Going thru it.

Weird, by all accounts ,Prince practically lived on the north side of the building but 15 of the 853 pills are found on the east side of the building/ then other pills are found in the green room? Was there only one pill found in his room on the north side?

Menes said:

I remember reading that.
Also, we (or at least I do) keep assuming anything wiped from computer was Kirk or Meron's doing. Is it possible someone could have done it remotely (Pheadra)?

Menes said:

Menes said:

Yes ,correct. Still dont see where she mentions it was from 853's/ a hydrocodone pill, or, straight fent. Going thru it.

Weird, by all accounts ,Prince practically lived on the north side of the building but 15 of the 853 pills are found on the east side of the building/ then other pills are found in the green room? Was there only one pill found in his room on the north side?

Dr. Schulenberg interview condensed : He states that kirk told him that he had just learned that Prince was using opiates. Dr. Schulenberg states that kirk had told him that "kirk" had been in contact with a lot of people that knew about this but that kirk advised he was not aware. Prince states his vomiting is from soup he had eaten.Prince denies nausea /vomiting/diarrhea but asked questions about withdrawal symptoms .

Schulenberg describes Clonidine and explains that it is used to treat opiate withdrawals/ Gave him two doses on sight. Hydroxyzine (given (1) dose on sight to relax). Both given in pill form. Prince left around 6: 30 pm with Kirk. Prescription for Valium was also written with strict instructions.

Now, at 11:12 , (4-20?) Schulenberg states that he started receiving text messages from Kirk but he did not retrieve them until that following morning. Schulenberg went to the office at 0815. Schulenberg calls Kirk and and kirk states that he is waiting on Prince to wake up so that he can give him something to take the edge off(?) THis is 4-21, I believe.

Schulenberg contacted on 4-14-2016 for prescription for 15 percocets and felt comfortable prescribing them since he had seen him the week before. ( * When did Moline happen)?

Schulenberg states that kirk told him that he had recently fond out about Princes Opiate use through a group and learned frm an ex-wife that Prince had opiate issues for many years.

Concerning Princes medical records: Schulenberg tests Prince's urine and it tested positive for opiates, but nothing else. Sample was set aside to figure out which opiate it was.

He regrets providing the Percosets under kirk's name. Percoset was 5-325 and in the amount of 15 pills.

Page 60 #4- 20

the issue wasn't that stuff was deleted off the laptop's hard drive (the investigators brought in a forensic expert to retrieve all that). It was that someone logged on via the laptop to Prince's gmail account and deleted nearly all his emails, and by the time the investigators addressed it, Google was unable to retrieve the emails from their servers.

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kmama07 said:

Menes said:

Yes, he ( the detective) said he regrets not doing that.

I remember reading that. Also, we (or at least I do) keep assuming anything wiped from computer was Kirk or Meron's doing. Is it possible someone could have done it remotely (Pheadra)?

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

Yes, he ( the detective) said he regrets not doing that.

I remember reading that. Also, we (or at least I do) keep assuming anything wiped from computer was Kirk or Meron's doing. Is it possible someone could have done it remotely (Pheadra)?

I think it was rumored that it was Phaedra and Kirk. Phaedra was in MN by that night of the 21st or morning of 22nd.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Yes ,correct. Still dont see where she mentions it was from 853's/ a hydrocodone pill, or, straight fent. Going thru it.

Weird, by all accounts ,Prince practically lived on the north side of the building but 15 of the 853 pills are found on the east side of the building/ then other pills are found in the green room? Was there only one pill found in his room on the north side?

1 was found in the sheets of the green room, and the bottles of aleve and bayer were on the night stand of the green room.

disch said:

the issue wasn't that stuff was deleted off the laptop's hard drive (the investigators brought in a forensic expert to retrieve all that). It was that someone logged on via the laptop to Prince's gmail account and deleted nearly all his emails, and by the time the investigators addressed it, Google was unable to retrieve the emails from their servers.

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I still can't understand how Google couldn't retrieve those messages.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Weird, by all accounts ,Prince practically lived on the north side of the building but 15 of the 853 pills are found on the east side of the building/ then other pills are found in the green room? Was there only one pill found in his room on the north side?

Dr. Schulenberg interview condensed : He states that kirk told him that he had just learned that Prince was using opiates. Dr. Schulenberg states that kirk had told him that "kirk" had been in contact with a lot of people that knew about this but that kirk advised he was not aware. Prince states his vomiting is from soup he had eaten.Prince denies nausea /vomiting/diarrhea but asked questions about withdrawal symptoms .

Schulenberg describes Clonidine and explains that it is used to treat opiate withdrawals/ Gave him two doses on sight. Hydroxyzine (given (1) dose on sight to relax). Both given in pill form. Prince left around 6: 30 pm with Kirk. Prescription for Valium was also written with strict instructions.

Now, at 11:12 , (4-20?) Schulenberg states that he started receiving text messages from Kirk but he did not retrieve them until that following morning. Schulenberg went to the office at 0815. Schulenberg calls Kirk and and kirk states that he is waiting on Prince to wake up so that he can give him something to take the edge off(?) THis is 4-21, I believe.

Schulenberg contacted on 4-14-2016 for prescription for 15 percocets and felt comfortable prescribing them since he had seen him the week before. ( * When did Moline happen)?

Schulenberg states that kirk told him that he had recently fond out about Princes Opiate use through a group and learned frm an ex-wife that Prince had opiate issues for many years.

Concerning Princes medical records: Schulenberg tests Prince's urine and it tested positive for opiates, but nothing else. Sample was set aside to figure out which opiate it was.

He regrets providing the Percosets under kirk's name. Percoset was 5-325 and in the amount of 15 pills.

Page 60 #4- 20

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

PennyPurple said:

Thanks Disch. I also don't understand how the messages couldn't be retrieved. I'm backtracking through report again and am having a hard time keeping up with you all!

Menes said:

Menes said:

Dr. Schulenberg interview condensed : He states that kirk told him that he had just learned that Prince was using opiates. Dr. Schulenberg states that kirk had told him that "kirk" had been in contact with a lot of people that knew about this but that kirk advised he was not aware. Prince states his vomiting is from soup he had eaten.Prince denies nausea /vomiting/diarrhea but asked questions about withdrawal symptoms .

Schulenberg describes Clonidine and explains that it is used to treat opiate withdrawals/ Gave him two doses on sight. Hydroxyzine (given (1) dose on sight to relax). Both given in pill form. Prince left around 6: 30 pm with Kirk. Prescription for Valium was also written with strict instructions.

Now, at 11:12 , (4-20?) Schulenberg states that he started receiving text messages from Kirk but he did not retrieve them until that following morning. Schulenberg went to the office at 0815. Schulenberg calls Kirk and and kirk states that he is waiting on Prince to wake up so that he can give him something to take the edge off(?) THis is 4-21, I believe.

Schulenberg contacted on 4-14-2016 for prescription for 15 percocets and felt comfortable prescribing them since he had seen him the week before. ( * When did Moline happen)?

Schulenberg states that kirk told him that he had recently fond out about Princes Opiate use through a group and learned frm an ex-wife that Prince had opiate issues for many years.

Concerning Princes medical records: Schulenberg tests Prince's urine and it tested positive for opiates, but nothing else. Sample was set aside to figure out which opiate it was.

He regrets providing the Percosets under kirk's name. Percoset was 5-325 and in the amount of 15 pills.

Page 60 #4- 20

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Didn't some of those pills, only contain lidocaine? Some contained fentanyl and some didn't. It also could be the way the pills were cut, and some didn't contain as much fentanyl as the others.

Also I was reading Judiths interview and she said that it was probably about 10 minutes after Prince got into his bag on the plane, when he had his episode, he got into the bag, went to the restroom then sat down to eat. I bet he got the pills out of his bag went to the restroom and took them then sat down to eat on the plane.

Menes said:

😞 Yes.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Dr. Schulenberg interview condensed : He states that kirk told him that he had just learned that Prince was using opiates. Dr. Schulenberg states that kirk had told him that "kirk" had been in contact with a lot of people that knew about this but that kirk advised he was not aware. Prince states his vomiting is from soup he had eaten.Prince denies nausea /vomiting/diarrhea but asked questions about withdrawal symptoms .

Schulenberg describes Clonidine and explains that it is used to treat opiate withdrawals/ Gave him two doses on sight. Hydroxyzine (given (1) dose on sight to relax). Both given in pill form. Prince left around 6: 30 pm with Kirk. Prescription for Valium was also written with strict instructions.

Now, at 11:12 , (4-20?) Schulenberg states that he started receiving text messages from Kirk but he did not retrieve them until that following morning. Schulenberg went to the office at 0815. Schulenberg calls Kirk and and kirk states that he is waiting on Prince to wake up so that he can give him something to take the edge off(?) THis is 4-21, I believe.

Schulenberg contacted on 4-14-2016 for prescription for 15 percocets and felt comfortable prescribing them since he had seen him the week before. ( * When did Moline happen)?

Schulenberg states that kirk told him that he had recently fond out about Princes Opiate use through a group and learned frm an ex-wife that Prince had opiate issues for many years.

Concerning Princes medical records: Schulenberg tests Prince's urine and it tested positive for opiates, but nothing else. Sample was set aside to figure out which opiate it was.

He regrets providing the Percosets under kirk's name. Percoset was 5-325 and in the amount of 15 pills.

Page 60 #4- 20

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

Menes said:

Menes said:

Dr. Schulenberg interview condensed : He states that kirk told him that he had just learned that Prince was using opiates. Dr. Schulenberg states that kirk had told him that "kirk" had been in contact with a lot of people that knew about this but that kirk advised he was not aware. Prince states his vomiting is from soup he had eaten.Prince denies nausea /vomiting/diarrhea but asked questions about withdrawal symptoms .

Schulenberg describes Clonidine and explains that it is used to treat opiate withdrawals/ Gave him two doses on sight. Hydroxyzine (given (1) dose on sight to relax). Both given in pill form. Prince left around 6: 30 pm with Kirk. Prescription for Valium was also written with strict instructions.

Now, at 11:12 , (4-20?) Schulenberg states that he started receiving text messages from Kirk but he did not retrieve them until that following morning. Schulenberg went to the office at 0815. Schulenberg calls Kirk and and kirk states that he is waiting on Prince to wake up so that he can give him something to take the edge off(?) THis is 4-21, I believe.

Schulenberg contacted on 4-14-2016 for prescription for 15 percocets and felt comfortable prescribing them since he had seen him the week before. ( * When did Moline happen)?

Schulenberg states that kirk told him that he had recently fond out about Princes Opiate use through a group and learned frm an ex-wife that Prince had opiate issues for many years.

Concerning Princes medical records: Schulenberg tests Prince's urine and it tested positive for opiates, but nothing else. Sample was set aside to figure out which opiate it was.

He regrets providing the Percosets under kirk's name. Percoset was 5-325 and in the amount of 15 pills.

Page 60 #4- 20

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Maybe he didn't know what was happening to him because he didn't know the fentanyl was in them.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

Can someone please make screen shots of these things? 'Cause when I done with this stuff , Im done. This has caused me a lot of sex . She gets upset if I even ask Siri for directions these days.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

But no fentanyl in Schulenbergs test?

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Maybe he didn't know what was happening to him because he didn't know the fentanyl was in them.

Oh, anything is possible, Im just saying that he is feeding from whatever is already in that house. This is a very, very smart man, Penny.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

But no fentanyl in Schulenbergs test?

NO.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

But no fentanyl in Schulenbergs test?

NO.

But the hydrocodone has to be coming from the same batch. Either that , or there's something missing that was never found.

So look it, when did he get the Percocets that Kirk called in? Before the show in Moline or after? How many were found in that house per the warrants? I mean, how hit and miss can you be? This is truly russian roulette, and yea, russian roulette is soooo accidental. This is a lot of stuff in a very short period of time!

PennyPurple said:

No fentanyl in Dr. S. test
[Edited 6/25/18 20:36pm]

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Maybe he didn't know what was happening to him because he didn't know the fentanyl was in them.

Oh, anything is possible, Im just saying that he is feeding from whatever is already in that house. This is a very, very smart man, Penny.

The question is, why start on the fentanyl? Short answer, the codene had probably stopped working?? Because of the tolerance factor. Those pills KJ got for him wasn't cutting it.

Was he asking for help to throw KJ off the trail, and really never wanted the help?