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Reply #150 posted 05/29/18 9:22am

ChocolateBox31
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violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Those statements Prince made was off the record.. He was more honest in those statements in that whole off the record conversation then he had EVER been. It had nothing to do with his mental lucidity being off and never known him to be nothing short of articulate in all his discussions.

What's wrong with asking, where is your guitar? A bass is a guitar. Even if he did forget .Prince changed band members quicker than he did his underware. So it's really not that unusual or strange to slightly forget for a second.

If U are a musician and have watched The Revolution perform they rarely improvised. Everything they did was rehearsed to perfection.

Actually, Matt Fink was in his band from 1979-1990. Mark was in his band from 1980-1986. He quit, but was asked to join NPG when it was formed. Bobby was in his band from 1979-1986. Lisa was in his band from 1980-1986. It was during the 90's and beyond when the band turnover became more frequent.

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Regarding the band being "rehearsed" - Prince worked ALL of this bands this way. The hours and hours of rehearsals have been confirmed by members of all of his bands. He was a perfectionist, and that is just how he operated - especially during his climb to superstardom. He wanted a flawless performance. As Wendy has stated, they were often the "loop" for hours so he could practice his dance moves. In more recent years he was more relaxed, because he wasn't competing anymore.

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U don't have to give me a history of that band or Prince. I've been there almost from the beginning and never left. I could actually write my own own book about him & school U on it.

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #151 posted 05/29/18 11:39am

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Actually, Matt Fink was in his band from 1979-1990. Mark was in his band from 1980-1986. He quit, but was asked to join NPG when it was formed. Bobby was in his band from 1979-1986. Lisa was in his band from 1980-1986. It was during the 90's and beyond when the band turnover became more frequent.

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Regarding the band being "rehearsed" - Prince worked ALL of this bands this way. The hours and hours of rehearsals have been confirmed by members of all of his bands. He was a perfectionist, and that is just how he operated - especially during his climb to superstardom. He wanted a flawless performance. As Wendy has stated, they were often the "loop" for hours so he could practice his dance moves. In more recent years he was more relaxed, because he wasn't competing anymore.

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U don't have to give me a history of that band or Prince. I've been there almost from the beginning and never left. I could actually write my own own book about him & school U on it.

Well, if that is the case, then I don't understand why you are so adamant about the fact that The Revolution did not play a seminal role in his music and stage persona at that time. Questlove, friend of Prince and there from Dirty Mind forward, seems to think they were pretty important, as do many of the "Princopedia" folks.

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I go pretty far back as well - 1999 album. I was too young for Dirty Mind and Controversy at the time of their release, but I got back to them. I'm not a "youngster" in terms of knowing his music.

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Reply #152 posted 05/29/18 12:27pm

PeteSilas

I first thought that the bass/guitar remark may have been made for the reason you're saying but brown mark seemed to think otherwise and said prince said "oh" when he reminded him he played bass. Morris Hayes also got a call from kiran sharma around that time because they both thought he sounded wierd, Morris says he told her "there isn't anything we can do now, we're out of the situation".

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Those statements Prince made was off the record.. He was more honest in those statements in that whole off the record conversation then he had EVER been. It had nothing to do with his mental lucidity being off and never known him to be nothing short of articulate in all his discussions.

What's wrong with asking, where is your guitar? A bass is a guitar. Even if he did forget .Prince changed band members quicker than he did his underware. So it's really not that unusual or strange to slightly forget for a second.

If U are a musician and have watched The Revolution perform they rarely improvised. Everything they did was rehearsed to perfection.

PeteSilas said:

Prince said that but he said it in a later stage, some have questioned his mental lucidity, even brown mark was asked "where is your guitar" and had to tell Prince he played bass the last time he saw him, so I don't really know how true the improv lacking in the revolution was, maybe it was true, maybe not. Springsteen's band was and is mighty, Bruce never could sell, even as well as Prince did, without the E Street Band, his ego led him to try it several times and he's trying it now but I think history speaks for itself, the sweat, the grit n' heart of those e streeters trumps the studio musicians any day and they could outplay a lot of them too.

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Reply #153 posted 05/29/18 12:35pm

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violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

U don't have to give me a history of that band or Prince. I've been there almost from the beginning and never left. I could actually write my own own book about him & school U on it.

Well, if that is the case, then I don't understand why you are so adamant about the fact that The Revolution did not play a seminal role in his music and stage persona at that time. Questlove, friend of Prince and there from Dirty Mind forward, seems to think they were pretty important, as do many of the "Princopedia" folks.

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I go pretty far back as well - 1999 album. I was too young for Dirty Mind and Controversy at the time of their release, but I got back to them. I'm not a "youngster" in terms of knowing his music.

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I'm not downplaying their significance in his career and they most definitely helped him crossover into the pop market. I just personally feel they're not his best band. I also don't characterize myself along with the "average" Prince fan believes either.

QuestLove is a Revolution groupie. Sometimes I feel he likes them better than Prince.

I'm a fan since the self titled second album when he was strictly a one-man-band. But U do get brownie points for not being a after Purple Rain jump on the bandwagon fan. lol

"That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when eye was doing the Purple Rain tour eye had a lot of people who eye knew eye'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream."prince
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Reply #154 posted 05/29/18 1:02pm

violetcrush

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Well, if that is the case, then I don't understand why you are so adamant about the fact that The Revolution did not play a seminal role in his music and stage persona at that time. Questlove, friend of Prince and there from Dirty Mind forward, seems to think they were pretty important, as do many of the "Princopedia" folks.

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I go pretty far back as well - 1999 album. I was too young for Dirty Mind and Controversy at the time of their release, but I got back to them. I'm not a "youngster" in terms of knowing his music.

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I'm not downplaying their significance in his career and they most definitely helped him crossover into the pop market. I just personally feel they're not his best band. I also don't characterize myself along with the "average" Prince fan believes either.

QuestLove is a Revolution groupie. Sometimes I feel he likes them better than Prince.

I'm a fan since the self titled second album when he was strictly a one-man-band. But U do get brownie points for not being a after Purple Rain jump on the bandwagon fan. lol

Well thanks, I appreciate that biggrin

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Fair enough. I do think they were great, but it was also a big time in my life - teen years are a nostalgic period I guess. But, I also just really love the music, especially ATWIAD, Parade, and the many unreleased Dream Factory/Roadhouse Garden/Camille tracks - of which I know there must be 100's more in the vault.

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I will say, had I caught him on American Bandstand back in 1980 I know I would have gotten into his music earlier, even though I was younger. I used to watch AB all the time - not sure how I missed that episode.

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Hmmm, Questlove...a Revolution groupie, or just knows a great band when he hears one??! wink

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Reply #155 posted 05/29/18 2:45pm

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violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

interesting, that might have been him huh?

I guess know one will know for sure, but it does sound like him - or someone suffering from delusions of being him eek

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The girl who did the interviews and blog stated on one of her posts that she was told by someone in hs camp that he had read one of the interviews. I'm sure he read all of them actually. He was always online looking for things - or people in his camp were.


It doesn't sound anything like him. lol

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Reply #156 posted 05/29/18 3:04pm

violetcrush

Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

I guess know one will know for sure, but it does sound like him - or someone suffering from delusions of being him eek

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The girl who did the interviews and blog stated on one of her posts that she was told by someone in hs camp that he had read one of the interviews. I'm sure he read all of them actually. He was always online looking for things - or people in his camp were.


It doesn't sound anything like him. lol

LOL! No, not in the least wink prince eye

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Reply #157 posted 05/29/18 3:40pm

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Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

I guess know one will know for sure, but it does sound like him - or someone suffering from delusions of being him eek

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The girl who did the interviews and blog stated on one of her posts that she was told by someone in hs camp that he had read one of the interviews. I'm sure he read all of them actually. He was always online looking for things - or people in his camp were.


It doesn't sound anything like him. lol

no it didn't but we are used to him speaking with that pseudo cryptic shit. One person who had hacked into his emails said that they saw a letter he wrote in the 90's about his grudges with the industry and it sounded simple and heartfelt but then he rewrote it for mass consumption and the guy remarked that it was in his characteristic cryptic/glyph bullshit and that it lost it's power in translation.

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Reply #158 posted 05/29/18 3:53pm

violetcrush

PeteSilas said:

Genesia said:


It doesn't sound anything like him. lol

no it didn't but we are used to him speaking with that pseudo cryptic shit. One person who had hacked into his emails said that they saw a letter he wrote in the 90's about his grudges with the industry and it sounded simple and heartfelt but then he rewrote it for mass consumption and the guy remarked that it was in his characteristic cryptic/glyph bullshit and that it lost it's power in translation.

I think Genesia was using sarcasm?? To me, it really sounds like his cryptic speak smile

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Reply #159 posted 05/29/18 3:55pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Well, if that is the case, then I don't understand why you are so adamant about the fact that The Revolution did not play a seminal role in his music and stage persona at that time. Questlove, friend of Prince and there from Dirty Mind forward, seems to think they were pretty important, as do many of the "Princopedia" folks.

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I go pretty far back as well - 1999 album. I was too young for Dirty Mind and Controversy at the time of their release, but I got back to them. I'm not a "youngster" in terms of knowing his music.

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I'm not downplaying their significance in his career and they most definitely helped him crossover into the pop market. I just personally feel they're not his best band. I also don't characterize myself along with the "average" Prince fan believes either.

QuestLove is a Revolution groupie. Sometimes I feel he likes them better than Prince.

I'm a fan since the self titled second album when he was strictly a one-man-band. But U do get brownie points for not being a after Purple Rain jump on the bandwagon fan. lol


I have arguments to oppose.
The Revolution Extended will B heard. For the whole damn 10:37.
"’gaaaain!". Enough said.

There's a purity that later became jazz-rock with the NPG.
Some may say it's been lost.

Here, the juices flow, it oozes.
The NPG can sometimes be too brainiac.

Oh yeah, The Revolution wouldn't improvise?
BrownMark has a canvas, that doesn't mean he doesn't funk on his own.
Waddaya think he wanted to leave? He's excellent. Prince said (rightly) so himself.
Bobby sticks to him, the reason Eric is so good is because of all that is going on.

"Chop one more time!"

No really? Aren't you convinced Wendy and Miko intertwinings are the best floating shit ever?
Look at everybody else go on top of it...


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #160 posted 05/29/18 4:03pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

no it didn't but we are used to him speaking with that pseudo cryptic shit. One person who had hacked into his emails said that they saw a letter he wrote in the 90's about his grudges with the industry and it sounded simple and heartfelt but then he rewrote it for mass consumption and the guy remarked that it was in his characteristic cryptic/glyph bullshit and that it lost it's power in translation.

I think Genesia was using sarcasm?? To me, it really sounds like his cryptic speak smile

sure, but i was pointing out, none of us knows how he'd write/speak without all the affectations.

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Reply #161 posted 05/29/18 4:06pm

violetcrush

bonatoc said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I'm not downplaying their significance in his career and they most definitely helped him crossover into the pop market. I just personally feel they're not his best band. I also don't characterize myself along with the "average" Prince fan believes either.

QuestLove is a Revolution groupie. Sometimes I feel he likes them better than Prince.

I'm a fan since the self titled second album when he was strictly a one-man-band. But U do get brownie points for not being a after Purple Rain jump on the bandwagon fan. lol


I have arguments to oppose.
The Revolution Extended will B heard. For the whole damn 10:37.
"’gaaaain!". Enough said.

There's a purity that later became jazz-rock with the NPG.
Some may say it's been lost.

Here, the juices flow, it oozes.
The NPG can sometimes be too brainiac.

Oh yeah, The Revolution wouldn't improvise?
BrownMark has a canvas, that doesn't mean he doesn't funk on his own.
Waddaya think he wanted to leave? He's excellent. Prince said (rightly) so himself.
Bobby sticks to him, the reason Eric is so good is because of all that is going on.

"Chop one more time!"

No really? Aren't you convinced Wendy and Miko intertwinings are the best floating shit ever?
Look at everybody else go on top of it...


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YAAAASSSSS!!!!! AND the '86 Detroit Bday show...just fabulous. And he was so energetic, engaged with the band, and happy. Like Wendy said, "we weren't a bunch of Julliard grads, but we clocked really well together..."

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Reply #162 posted 05/29/18 4:13pm

PeteSilas

i used to think wendy was a weak link, but i've been a musician for a long time now and I'm not a guitarist, but the funk stuff she's doing on the PR live dvd sounds pretty difficult, especially considering, i don't even think she had a funk background so for her to get things like that in the year and a half or whatever she was with P by that time is damned impressive, i play very little guitar but enough to know that that's not easy. It's the critics really who should take some of the blame for putting that shit out there, even a writer as good as Dave Hill had stated that the revolution was very limited. He even surmised that the reason Dez was booted and Wendy was hired was so Prince could shine more on guitar.

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Reply #163 posted 05/29/18 4:21pm

violetcrush

PeteSilas said:

i used to think wendy was a weak link, but i've been a musician for a long time now and I'm not a guitarist, but the funk stuff she's doing on the PR live dvd sounds pretty difficult, especially considering, i don't even think she had a funk background so for her to get things like that in the year and a half or whatever she was with P by that time is damned impressive, i play very little guitar but enough to know that that's not easy. It's the critics really who should take some of the blame for putting that shit out there, even a writer as good as Dave Hill had stated that the revolution was very limited. He even surmised that the reason Dez was booted and Wendy was hired was so Prince could shine more on guitar.

I agree, but I think I read that Wendy did have funk influence early on due to her Dad being a session player, and an "elite" in the LA music scene. They were familiar with Sly, E,W&F, Stevie Wonder, etc. Susannah said she grew up listening to SW, Aretha, and Joni Mitchell records.

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That bootleg of the "Ice Cream/Soulpsychodelicide" rehearsal shows her funk prowess too. When she starts in with this "chicken grease" playing, one of the backup singer/dancers says, "that's funky Wendy, that's funky!!" Lisa had also stated that when Prince first heard her play he said something like, "damn girl is your Daddy black?"

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Reply #164 posted 05/29/18 4:39pm

PeteSilas

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

i used to think wendy was a weak link, but i've been a musician for a long time now and I'm not a guitarist, but the funk stuff she's doing on the PR live dvd sounds pretty difficult, especially considering, i don't even think she had a funk background so for her to get things like that in the year and a half or whatever she was with P by that time is damned impressive, i play very little guitar but enough to know that that's not easy. It's the critics really who should take some of the blame for putting that shit out there, even a writer as good as Dave Hill had stated that the revolution was very limited. He even surmised that the reason Dez was booted and Wendy was hired was so Prince could shine more on guitar.

I agree, but I think I read that Wendy did have funk influence early on due to her Dad being a session player, and an "elite" in the LA music scene. They were familiar with Sly, E,W&F, Stevie Wonder, etc. Susannah said she grew up listening to SW, Aretha, and Joni Mitchell records.

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That bootleg of the "Ice Cream/Soulpsychodelicide" rehearsal shows her funk prowess too. When she starts in with this "chicken grease" playing, one of the backup singer/dancers says, "that's funky Wendy, that's funky!!" Lisa had also stated that when Prince first heard her play he said something like, "damn girl is your Daddy black?"

could be either way it's pretty impressive, she was only 20 or so when she joined.

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Reply #165 posted 05/29/18 4:40pm

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violetcrush said:

bonatoc said:


I have arguments to oppose.
The Revolution Extended will B heard. For the whole damn 10:37.
"’gaaaain!". Enough said.

There's a purity that later became jazz-rock with the NPG.
Some may say it's been lost.

Here, the juices flow, it oozes.
The NPG can sometimes be too brainiac.

Oh yeah, The Revolution wouldn't improvise?
BrownMark has a canvas, that doesn't mean he doesn't funk on his own.
Waddaya think he wanted to leave? He's excellent. Prince said (rightly) so himself.
Bobby sticks to him, the reason Eric is so good is because of all that is going on.

"Chop one more time!"

No really? Aren't you convinced Wendy and Miko intertwinings are the best floating shit ever?
Look at everybody else go on top of it...


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YAAAASSSSS!!!!! AND the '86 Detroit Bday show...just fabulous. And he was so energetic, engaged with the band, and happy. Like Wendy said, "we weren't a bunch of Julliard grads, but we clocked really well together..."


And what about "Data Bank"?
"I didn't call that either!"

I love Exodus, but the NPG were never as funny as "Girl O’ My Dreams" sounds.
I want my Prince to bring me Looney Tunes gone Genius.
His introductory "here we go" couldn't exist. I mean, by himself it would go: "here I go", which, even by his high standards of what is to be considered cream, would be too much, and certainly not that alive. They all share those two minutes and some, it's intense.

Music happening in a room with friends is not the kind that happens in an Empty Room.
Duh.

I mean, what more can you bring to the table as an orchestra after having brought "Purple Rain" to America, and "America" in Nice? Prince was so right to extend The Revolution, the massive big band sound reinvented them in a suprising way, Clare opened his palette wide...

Not to mention his courage of killing The Revolution at year 1: I mean every other successful pop musician in Prince's place would have put out some evolution of Prince in 1985, with the same distance that separates 1999 from Purple Rain (not that far).

He took a U-turn (some aficionados would say several) instead and no one left the ramp.
In just three years the went from stadium rock to jazz.
And mastered a James Brown that is nowhere to be heard in the NPG's obsession for P-Funk and Stax. Not that it makes it least interesting. But the rawness? Don't underestimate the sexual catholic tension between Prince and his guitarist, which looks exactly like the woman he is dating.

"Alexa de Paris" comes from Prince, Sheila and Clare, but the ghosts of Wendy and Lisa's chords sequences are all over Clare's changes in the first accelerando (play the inner sleeve of Parade to witness the incredible gusto of the Girls for uncharted territories).

Making that Ass truly Wonderful (although one may prefer the vinyl slickness of the nude take).
Splashing the Large Room With No Light with polychromatic frantic neon tubes.

It's all in my signature, and in Neil Young's howling "it's better to burn out, than to fade away":
They went as fireworks. Fast as a Shooting Star.
And yes, that is precisely what makes them a true rock'n'roll band, in the deepest meaning, for the ages.

They started small. Bobby drove him in his car.
Lisa seduced him with M9/no3rd/add4th and shit like that.
BrownMark's first was the Rolling Stones humiliation (and Mick and Keith themselves, for crying out loud, begging Prince on the phone for him to try again).
Wendy's first was, well, history.
"Climbing Mount Fuckin' Rushmore with a band of friends — Check!"
Where do you go from there?

Do you masturbate yourself in front of your name, in gigantic letters spread across the stage?
Do you really celebrate the disappearance of any competition?
Do you celebrate being alone on the top of the mountain?

Prince should have taken a vacation after Ingrid, that was truly the bottom. A genuine burn-out.
The verbal violence to which he reacted to a simple Susan's opinion is proof of the pain he experienced the night she left, and a vision of ecstasy couldn't drag her home, so he forced himself to reinvent himself (it's Gemini phrasing, do not adjust your spectacles) and changed costumes again (quick! To the Chanhassen Batcave!), maybe too soon for his own good.

And they walked the oscars, and the awards, and inspired these incredible moments, eatin' ol'cheese sandwiches and stale soda, a roadie's leftovers for gourmets.

As, Bobby Z and William Blinn would say, a group.


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #166 posted 05/29/18 5:13pm

bonatoc

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Good points on The GirlBros upbringing.
They were Royal (musical) Blood.
They knew their shit.

They went along just fine and their awards prove they are composers who could bring lots with very little. The sustained longing Prince was going for in WHITECAPS is truly here, in Wendy and Lisa's whisper to Hejira, and you can bet Wendy is singing to that special purple someone: The lyrics are just too straightforward to be mistaken.

"I scream when I breathe", sings Wendy in "The Life".
The colors she brought to "Purple Rain" are hers, and she will make sure it is heard.

Prince, What the fuck does This Bed have to do with it?
Oh well. Your anguish of friends missing had to come from somewhere.


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #167 posted 05/29/18 5:45pm

violetcrush

bonatoc said:

violetcrush said:

YAAAASSSSS!!!!! AND the '86 Detroit Bday show...just fabulous. And he was so energetic, engaged with the band, and happy. Like Wendy said, "we weren't a bunch of Julliard grads, but we clocked really well together..."


And what about "Data Bank"?
"I didn't call that either!"

I love Exodus, but the NPG were never as funny as "Girl O’ My Dreams" sounds.
I want my Prince to bring me Looney Tunes gone Genius.
His introductory "here we go" couldn't exist. I mean, by himself it would go: "here I go", which, even by his high standards of what is to be considered cream, would be too much, and certainly not that alive. They all share those two minutes and some, it's intense.

Music happening in a room with friends is not the kind that happens in an Empty Room.
Duh.

I mean, what more can you bring to the table as an orchestra after having brought "Purple Rain" to America, and "America" in Nice? Prince was so right to extend The Revolution, the massive big band sound reinvented them in a suprising way, Clare opened his palette wide...

Not to mention his courage of killing The Revolution at year 1: I mean every other successful pop musician in Prince's place would have put out some evolution of Prince in 1985, with the same distance that separates 1999 from Purple Rain (not that far).

He took a U-turn (some aficionados would say several) instead and no one left the ramp.
In just three years the went from stadium rock to jazz.
And mastered a James Brown that is nowhere to be heard in the NPG's obsession for P-Funk and Stax. Not that it makes it least interesting. But the rawness? Don't underestimate the sexual catholic tension between Prince and his guitarist, which looks exactly like the woman he is dating.

"Alexa de Paris" comes from Prince, Sheila and Clare, but the ghosts of Wendy and Lisa's chords sequences are all over Clare's changes in the first accelerando (see the inner sleeve of Parade for the incredible levels relentless faith in your art, a.k.a. "work", can bring).

Making that Ass truly Wonderful (although one may prefer the vinyl slickness of the nude take).
Splashing the Large Room With No Light with polychromatic frantic neon tubes.

It's all in my signature, and in Neil Young's howling "it's better to burn out, than to fade away":
They went as fireworks. Fast as a Shooting Star.
And yes, that is precisely what makes them a true rock'n'roll band, in the deepest meaning, for the ages.

They started small. Bobby drove him in his car.
Lisa seduced him with M9/no3rd/add4th and shit like that.
The Rolling Stones humiliation (and Mick and Keith themselves, for crying out loud, begging him on the phone for him to try again).
"Climbing Mount Fuckin' Rushmore with a band of friends — Check!"
Where do you go from there?

Do you masturbate yourself in front of your name, in gigantic letters spread across the stage?
Do you really celebrate the disappearance of any competition?
Do you celebrate being alone on the top of the mountain?

Prince should have taken a vacation after Ingrid, that was truly the bottom. A genuine burn-out.
The verbal violence to which he reacted to a simple Susan's opinion is proof of the pain he experienced the night she left, and a vision of ecstasy couldn't drag her home, so he forced himself to reinvent himself (it's Gemini phrasing, do not adjust your spectacles) and changed costumes again (quick! To the Chanhassen Batcave!), maybe too soon for his own good.

And they walked the oscars, and the awards, and inspired these incredible moments, eatin' ol'cheese sandwiches and stale soda, a roadie's leftovers for gourmets.

As, Bobby Z and William Blinn would say, a group.


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Great points creatively written!

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And don't forget shopping for grapes at the Alpha Beta when they used to call him "Steve"!!

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Reply #168 posted 05/29/18 6:49pm

violetcrush

bonatoc said:

Good points on The GirlBros upbringing.
They were Royal (musical) Blood.
They knew their shit.

They went along just fine and their awards prove they are composers who could bring lots with very little. The sustained longing Prince was going for in WHITECAPS is truly here, in Wendy and Lisa's whisper to Hejira, and you can bet Wendy is singing to that special purple someone: The lyrics are just too straightforward to be mistaken.

"I scream when I breathe", sings Wendy in "The Life".
The colors she brought to "Purple Rain" are hers, and she will make sure it is heard.

Prince, What the fuck does This Bed have to do with it?
Oh well. Your anguish of friends missing had to come from somewhere.




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Waterfall was definitely a letter to Prince too. I thought Mother Of Pearl was too, but Lisa said it was about equality and acceptance.
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Their music as Wendy & Lisa is fantastic. It's a crime they weren't marketed the right way by the record companys in the 80's. I think they may have gotten more recognition with the alternative genre instead of Pop. I was listening to mainly alternative then and I would have loved Mother Of Pearl and many others back then, especially accoustic versions.

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And White Flags Of Winter Chimneys is just so beautifully done. Eargasm!!!!!
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Reply #169 posted 05/29/18 8:49pm

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Violet, thanks for posting the interview with Jill.

I forgot about this interview and it was fun reading it again.

And I lol at the comment by Fire and Ice.

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Reply #170 posted 05/30/18 9:33am

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purplerabbithole said:[quote]

Prince used to sit in all the different seating sections to check for sound during sound checks (during the musicology tour).




Boriqua1130 said:



purplerabbithole 🌷 Thank You for telling me.
I'll ♥️ "LemonDrop" 2DN 💋 your "Sugar"
Prince: TY! 🌹 🎶🎸🎶 💜 Rex @3/27/18 2D Media Let Prince R.I.P.
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Reply #171 posted 05/30/18 10:19am

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PeteSilas said:



Boriqua1130 said:



to be perfectly honest, every concert i've been to has been too loud for my taste and the sound was never great, that goes for Prince, springsteen,stevie, and Terence Trent. When I've went it wasn't for perfect sound, I can get that off the record, i go to see a hero and feel a bit of inspiration. Also, i'm curious as to how much hearing Prince even had, certainly there was some damage, I wonder how well he could even adjust sound with the damage his ears had.



PeteSilas 🌷 Thank You for your input.
I have attended many concerts 1976-2010 & never had a problem
with the volume, thankfully. This last concert was off the norm
for Madison Square Garden. Sat in the nose bleed for Salsa
concerts back in the day. Sir Elton John (seats behind the
curtains: Saw Alice Cooper dancing with Billie Jean King. woot! )
But drew the line when my ears began hurting. I plugged them with my
fingers. 😉☺️ Man...only for Prince did I climb the long out of service
escalator. Told my friend “Girl you know I 💜 our man Prince! I’m climbing
these stairs!” We laughed all the way up them mamajammas. lol At the end
of the show I unfolded my cane & was able to ride the Employee Elevator. grandpa

Prince’s hearing - I’m sure he wore ear plugs.
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I'll ♥️ "LemonDrop" 2DN 💋 your "Sugar"
Prince: TY! 🌹 🎶🎸🎶 💜 Rex @3/27/18 2D Media Let Prince R.I.P.
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Reply #172 posted 05/30/18 10:32am

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Boriqua1130 said:

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas 🌷 Thank You for your input. I have attended many concerts 1976-2010 & never had a problem with the volume, thankfully. This last concert was off the norm for Madison Square Garden. Sat in the nose bleed for Salsa concerts back in the day. Sir Elton John (seats behind the curtains: Saw Alice Cooper dancing with Billie Jean King. woot! ) But drew the line when my ears began hurting. I plugged them with my fingers. 😉☺️ Man...only for Prince did I climb the long out of service escalator. Told my friend “Girl you know I 💜 our man Prince! I’m climbing these stairs!” We laughed all the way up them mamajammas. lol At the end of the show I unfolded my cane & was able to ride the Employee Elevator. grandpa Prince’s hearing - I’m sure he wore ear plugs.
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i don't think he did, lots of them don't, huey lewis is deaf now, many others. you can't abuse your body.

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Reply #173 posted 05/30/18 1:42pm

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I never saw Prince wear ear plugs.
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Reply #174 posted 05/30/18 3:32pm

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NorthC said:

I never saw Prince wear ear plugs.


I have this belief the moon earrings were more than decorative.
Don't forget that by 30 (your mileage may vary), your 20kHz are gone.
By 40, your 16kHz wave bye-bye.

Applying an EQ curve to compensate this loss should be mandatory and taught in schools,
but they don't really care for music, do they.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #175 posted 05/30/18 4:37pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Violet, thanks for posting the interview with Jill.


I forgot about this interview and it was fun reading it again.


And I lol at the comment by Fire and Ice.



You are welcome! She posted some good interviews. Susannah's and Cat Glover's were great too.
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Reply #176 posted 05/31/18 4:59am

violetcrush

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NorthC said:

I never saw Prince wear ear plugs.


I have this belief the moon earrings were more than decorative.
Don't forget that by 30 (your mileage may vary), your 20kHz are gone.
By 40, your 16kHz wave bye-bye.

Applying an EQ curve to compensate this loss should be mandatory and taught in schools,
but they don't really care for music, do they.

Interesting theory. Per Steve Parke, Prince saw him wearing a version of the "cuff" earrings that he got from working the Renaissance Festival - they sold them there. He liked them, and ended up having his own designs made. Wondering how the cuff placed over the top of his ear would work as a hearing aid - maybe somehting hidden underneath?

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Reply #177 posted 05/31/18 10:50am

PeteSilas

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bonatoc said:


I have this belief the moon earrings were more than decorative.
Don't forget that by 30 (your mileage may vary), your 20kHz are gone.
By 40, your 16kHz wave bye-bye.

Applying an EQ curve to compensate this loss should be mandatory and taught in schools,
but they don't really care for music, do they.

Interesting theory. Per Steve Parke, Prince saw him wearing a version of the "cuff" earrings that he got from working the Renaissance Festival - they sold them there. He liked them, and ended up having his own designs made. Wondering how the cuff placed over the top of his ear would work as a hearing aid - maybe somehting hidden underneath?

ya, i'd wonder that too, no one could rock shit like prince and make it look cool so it's a live possibility.

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Reply #178 posted 05/31/18 3:07pm

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Looky, looky. What have we here?

The earrings were more like an aesthetic diversion.
I can totally see Prince embarking the novelty of not having these cumbersome stage monitors
between him and the public.

There was a period where every major artist did the transition, then every artist was wearing a pair,
but in pictures, they showed.
I can totally picture SKipper going: "Hey, plus, they gonna help hiding these ugly gummy earbuds". cool
Always the aesthete, right? Oh well, it's a fun theory.

At these pro levels, they do a wax impression of your ear for maximum confort, and also,
you can do headbanging and they won't come off. Pricey shit.


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The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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Reply #179 posted 05/31/18 3:13pm

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Man, have we derailed or what?


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No Child's a failure
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Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
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