violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

You're late to the party. We know what the cause of death was. Please see Part 1.

Nope, not late to the party in the least, just reiterating the facts to support my response. Penny, I have no doubt that you are one of those fans who will never have closure.

Please don't pretend to know anything about me. Closure? I've got closure, but do you? You are the one who is living in denial.

PeteSilas said:

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

I really think the older we get, we start looking back at our life and remember the good and the bad times. Sometimes we reach out to old friends. I know I've connected to a lot of old friends on FB, but Prince didn't have Facebook.

My mom tells me all the time, how she looks back on her life and the older she gets, the more she thinks.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

I really think the older we get, we start looking back at our life and remember the good and the bad times. Sometimes we reach out to old friends. I know I've connected to a lot of old friends on FB, but Prince didn't have Facebook.

My mom tells me all the time, how she looks back on her life and the older she gets, the more she thinks.

just didn't jibe with Prince, i know most of us do, but Prince was very unusual. just that alone sounds dramatically off from everything i know about the man.

PennyPurple said:

He also sang about wanting to rape women ... there are plenty in books about times susan would leave prince alone (every single vocal recording in fact) and overnights often ... i said often not always

Lovejunky said:

ladygirl99 said:

That is not the point. The point is that people need to be more objective when it comes to celebrities. There is a reason why fan short for fanatic and even Prince hated the word fan. Even Prince told people to worship higher power not him as he might had hinted people shouldn't worship him due to his flaws he had. Prince wasn't a bad person for hiding his drug abuse from a lot of people and I will never going to change how I feel about him. I will take Jill and Wendy's word over fans who had their fantasies of what they want PRince to be rather than what he was.

And what are you talking about dude of being stuck in the past? According to your logic we should just stop talking about anything that regards to Prince from this day forward because you know Prince is now the past no longer present physically. And why are you on this thread if you don't like people discussing Prince as a human since this is a non-music thread?

EXACTLY:

BEING OBJECTIVE...

You would rather take the word of pople like Jill and WEndy who hadnt been around him for YEARS

then that of people Like SHelby J,Josh and Hannah, Mono Neon , or Adrian Crutchfield fpr example who worked with him during his last years and KNEW WHAT KIND of a man he had become.

Go and listen to what they have to say instead of forming opinions

based on ancient history.

BEING OBJECTIVE means looking at the whole picture, not being stuck on

what may or may not have gone down when he was a Young Man,

Good god dude, where did I said I dismissed Shelby J and Josh, etc? Yeah I read some of their interviews about their perspective of Prince during his final years but I don't follow them like that as even though I listen to all Prince's music and do appreciated their contributions, I followed mainly his 80s folks more. But they can still withhold lot of shit too, you know, because to protect his privacy and to focus on his legacy. And also Wendy remained contact with Prince until a few months before he passed on and off. Jill had been started communicating with Prince again shortly before Vanity's funeral and Prince was going to do some work with her daughter. And Shelby J was on and off of his life and Prince did shade her in his final Ebony magazine as he thought Liv Warfield was more talented. And Adrian C. I read he been around string out addicts but the question was had he been around high functional users who hide their addiction very well?

Yes Prince involved and change publicly but what was persona he actually was behind close doors? Yes he acted cleaner and family friendly PUBLICLY, but he also battled with drug addiction that I believed he had since he was younger. All I am saying he might not always change because he got older and celebrities often had two images. One private that only friends and family know one to the fans to chew on and I believe Prince was no exceptional.

PeteSilas said:

ladygirl99 said:

And what are you talking about dude of being stuck in the past? According to your logic we should just stop talking about anything that regards to Prince from this day forward because you know Prince is now the past no longer present physically. And why are you on this thread if you don't like people discussing Prince as a human since this is a non-music thread?

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

I agree with you. And plus he mentioned he liked to sleep more too I was like WTF? Yeah this doesn't sound like Prince who would rather be in the studio and his sleepless nights. I already expressed my theory and the information that I was told about what I believed went down when I had my account last year, but I am not going to say it further unless we get more details from the family to clarify, etc and plus this place had gotten too dyed-in-the-wool to hear some of our dark wisdom. I hope Tyka released her book to answer all of our questions.

Speaking of the good old days I feel the same on the org. And also the org had gotten regressive so I am careful what to say on here now. I missed the late 90s and to mid-00 era where we could expressed ourselves in nitty-gritty way and it was more progressive people here. Many hippies and freaks left this place.

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ladygirl99 said:

PeteSilas said:

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

I agree with you. And plus he mentioned he liked to sleep more too I was like WTF? Yeah this doesn't sound like Prince who would rather be in the studio and his sleepless nights. I already expressed my theory and the information that I was told about what I believed went down when I had my account last year, but I am not going to say it further unless we get more details from the family to clarify, etc and plus this place had gotten too dyed-in-the-wool to hear some of our dark wisdom. I hope Tyka released her book to answer all of our questions.

Speaking of the good old days I feel the same on the org. And also the org had gotten regressive so I am careful what to say on here now. I missed the late 90s and to mid-00 era where we could expressed ourselves in nitty-gritty way and it was more progressive people here. Many hippies and freaks left this place.

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I'm still here!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

That makes a lot of sense!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Wow! That would make a lot of sense too! You guys are smart.

TrevorAyer said:

PennyPurple said:

What Prince wrote and sang, doesn't always jive with his actions.

He also sang about wanting to rape women ... there are plenty in books about times susan would leave prince alone (every single vocal recording in fact) and overnights often ... i said often not always

What???? You mean the lyric in Extralovable "I guess I'm just gonna have to rape you? It was a dramatic way of saying that he cannot stand not being able to be intimate with the girl - it certainly was not meant literally. It was a dramatic expression of his desire for the girl.

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Did you bother to listen to the video of Susan talking about her working with Prince?? Yes, she did leave the room when Prince did his vocals - EVERYONE did. She STOOD OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND THEN WENT BACK IN WHEN HE WAS FINISHED. Sounds like you need to do some more research on how Prince worked with his Engineers. And no, she often did not go home. She stayed until he was ready to stop, and if that meant overnight, she would stay overnight. Susannah has also stated she would often be at the studio until 5:00am in the morning.

Krystalkisses said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

No...drugs were a factor in his life from the beginning, like they were for many others in the same time and place...the difference was that Prince preached an anti-drug stance to all...hypocricy? or the ultimate in manupulation?...a way to stay hidden.

Wow! That would make a lot of sense too! You guys are smart.

And Bodhi, you would know that drugs were a factor in his life from the beginning how??? Because you were actually there at the time? Or, because you are taking a wild guess?

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Also - the original verse for Prince's Old Friends 4 Sale which speaks to his feelings on drugs at that time:

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The sun set in my heart this afternoon
4 2 friends of mine got stuck in the snow
In Uptown when winter's alarmin', oh
Cocaine becomes charmin'
But U talk about things U don't know 'bout
I know, no matter how pleasant your past was
Green and white return 2 blue
U're happy as long as your last buzz
And then U think U want something new, yeah

What Prince wrote and sang, doesn't always jive with his actions.

Wrong, actually - very wrong. Prince was always honest with his lyrics regarding how he felt about a particular topic, or what was happening in his life at that time. So honest, in fact, that he usually did not hold back with regard to lyrics (hence, the Extralovable song) However, he was not always honest about what he told reporters and journalists, because he didn't trust them. Old Friends 4 Sale, the original, recorded 4/85 was specifically about his conflict with Jimmy Jamm, Terry Lewis and Morris Day, as well as, Prince being told by Steve Fargnoli that some of his childhood friends were talking to journalists about his life in MN.

fortuneandserendipity said:

pricetag said:

I do things out in the open. Not in a snivelling back-handed way.

No you're a sociopath. It's obvious from your posts. You just sneer and misinterpret.

Just calling you out publicly. People should know that, along with your posts, you like to send rude, sneering orgnotes as well. How's that for sociopathic? You're a sad little fool. No more batshit orgnotes, ok? Otehrwise you'll get reported.

ladygirl99 said:

Lovejunky said:

EXACTLY:

BEING OBJECTIVE...

You would rather take the word of pople like Jill and WEndy who hadnt been around him for YEARS

then that of people Like SHelby J,Josh and Hannah, Mono Neon , or Adrian Crutchfield fpr example who worked with him during his last years and KNEW WHAT KIND of a man he had become.

Go and listen to what they have to say instead of forming opinions

based on ancient history.

BEING OBJECTIVE means looking at the whole picture, not being stuck on

what may or may not have gone down when he was a Young Man,

Good god dude, where did I said I dismissed Shelby J and Josh, etc? Yeah I read some of their interviews about their perspective of Prince during his final years but I don't follow them like that as even though I listen to all Prince's music and do appreciated their contributions, I followed mainly his 80s folks more. But they can still withhold lot of shit too, you know, because to protect his privacy and to focus on his legacy. And also Wendy remained contact with Prince until a few months before he passed on and off. Jill had been started communicating with Prince again shortly before Vanity's funeral and Prince was going to do some work with her daughter. And Shelby J was on and off of his life and Prince did shade her in his final Ebony magazine as he thought Liv Warfield was more talented. And Adrian C. I read he been around string out addicts but the question was had he been around high functional users who hide their addiction very well?

Yes Prince involved and change publicly but what was persona he actually was behind close doors? Yes he acted cleaner and family friendly PUBLICLY, but he also battled with drug addiction that I believed he had since he was younger. All I am saying he might not always change because he got older and celebrities often had two images. One private that only friends and family know one to the fans to chew on and I believe Prince was no exceptional.

I actually would not be surprised if Prince became even more private and secretive about his personal life in the last several years. He was doing his best to hide an addiction. It has also been said that through the years he became more closed off and more paranoid about exposure. From the late 80's onward I don't think any of Prince's associates or band members were able to get that close to him, or have access to his personal life. Lisa Coleman said prior to the Purple Rain tour they would all share a bus together, and hang out together. At some point during the tour Prince began separating himself from the band and camp, and that did not change going forward. They said he was never that "regular" guy again.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ladygirl99 said:

I agree with you. And plus he mentioned he liked to sleep more too I was like WTF? Yeah this doesn't sound like Prince who would rather be in the studio and his sleepless nights. I already expressed my theory and the information that I was told about what I believed went down when I had my account last year, but I am not going to say it further unless we get more details from the family to clarify, etc and plus this place had gotten too dyed-in-the-wool to hear some of our dark wisdom. I hope Tyka released her book to answer all of our questions.

Speaking of the good old days I feel the same on the org. And also the org had gotten regressive so I am careful what to say on here now. I missed the late 90s and to mid-00 era where we could expressed ourselves in nitty-gritty way and it was more progressive people here. Many hippies and freaks left this place.

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I'm still here!

Good. I am glad that hippies and freaks are still around even though we are minorities now.

PennyPurple said:

violetcrush said:

Nope, not late to the party in the least, just reiterating the facts to support my response. Penny, I have no doubt that you are one of those fans who will never have closure.

Please don't pretend to know anything about me. Closure? I've got closure, but do you? You are the one who is living in denial.

Oh contraire, no denial here whatsoever. I've fully accepted the information and the report, unless/until any new legitimate information or evidence is found and publicized. I'm not bashing or judging his former girlfriends, associates, friends and/or family. Just a waste of time really. They all liked/loved him and knew him better than any of us did.

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

Good god dude, where did I said I dismissed Shelby J and Josh, etc? Yeah I read some of their interviews about their perspective of Prince during his final years but I don't follow them like that as even though I listen to all Prince's music and do appreciated their contributions, I followed mainly his 80s folks more. But they can still withhold lot of shit too, you know, because to protect his privacy and to focus on his legacy. And also Wendy remained contact with Prince until a few months before he passed on and off. Jill had been started communicating with Prince again shortly before Vanity's funeral and Prince was going to do some work with her daughter. And Shelby J was on and off of his life and Prince did shade her in his final Ebony magazine as he thought Liv Warfield was more talented. And Adrian C. I read he been around string out addicts but the question was had he been around high functional users who hide their addiction very well?

Yes Prince involved and change publicly but what was persona he actually was behind close doors? Yes he acted cleaner and family friendly PUBLICLY, but he also battled with drug addiction that I believed he had since he was younger. All I am saying he might not always change because he got older and celebrities often had two images. One private that only friends and family know one to the fans to chew on and I believe Prince was no exceptional.

I actually would not be surprised if Prince became even more private and secretive about his personal life in the last several years. He was doing his best to hide an addiction. It has also been said that through the years he became more closed off and more paranoid about exposure. From the late 80's onward I don't think any of Prince's associates or band members were able to get that close to him, or have access to his personal life. Lisa Coleman said prior to the Purple Rain tour they would all share a bus together, and hang out together. At some point during the tour Prince began separating himself from the band and camp, and that did not change going forward. They said he was never that "regular" guy again.

Hell yeah that is what I trying to say. People only report what they know and like I said earlier Prince was good at compartmentalizing. Even Larry Graham said he didn't know Prince very well outside of religious stuff and what he briefly saw.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

I really think the older we get, we start looking back at our life and remember the good and the bad times. Sometimes we reach out to old friends. I know I've connected to a lot of old friends on FB, but Prince didn't have Facebook.

My mom tells me all the time, how she looks back on her life and the older she gets, the more she thinks.

just didn't jibe with Prince, i know most of us do, but Prince was very unusual. just that alone sounds dramatically off from everything i know about the man.

I know Prince said in interviews that he didn't look back - the past was the past, but I think that was a facade in order to support and promote his new music. There are many accounts of Prince taking girlfriends and others around his old neighborhood and recounting his childhood and memories for them. Both Jill and Susannah have talked about this. I think he reflected a lot privately and through his music.

ladygirl99 said:

violetcrush said:

I actually would not be surprised if Prince became even more private and secretive about his personal life in the last several years. He was doing his best to hide an addiction. It has also been said that through the years he became more closed off and more paranoid about exposure. From the late 80's onward I don't think any of Prince's associates or band members were able to get that close to him, or have access to his personal life. Lisa Coleman said prior to the Purple Rain tour they would all share a bus together, and hang out together. At some point during the tour Prince began separating himself from the band and camp, and that did not change going forward. They said he was never that "regular" guy again.

Hell yeah that is what I trying to say. People only report what they know and like I said earlier Prince was good at compartmentalizing. Even Larry Graham said he didn't know Prince very well outside of religious stuff and what he briefly saw.

Yes, Susan Rogers has talked about this too. She said at a certain point during Purple Rain, he just knew it would never be the same for him again. He could no longer go anywhere unnoticed. Dez had come to visit him during the PR tour, and asked Prince if he wanted to go do some shopping (they used to shop when Dez was in the band), and Prince just looked at him, and said, oh I can't really do that anymore. Susan said that is part of what the song "Condition Of The Heart" is about. It's a love song, but it's also relating to how he will never know if someone really likes him or is just interested in "Prince the rock star". Quite sad really.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Very well put!

P

PeteSilas said:

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

That triggered me to recall something that Wendy was quoted as saying about Him Pete...

In a book Called Minneapolis Rain....by Stuart Willoughby

Sorry its sideways..

Ill type it out...

"The thing about Prince "she said" Is that he was an inrcedible Force of Nature, He was like

this unstoppable comet flying through the Universe.

And for those four or five years we were together ,

we felt like we were holding on - just clinging on for dear life- and finally inevitably

we just couldnt keep hold any longer.

We felt incredibly privledged -that for a short time-

he allowed his magnificent light to shine on us"

PeteSilas said:

ladygirl99 said:

And what are you talking about dude of being stuck in the past? According to your logic we should just stop talking about anything that regards to Prince from this day forward because you know Prince is now the past no longer present physically. And why are you on this thread if you don't like people discussing Prince as a human since this is a non-music thread?

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

The comments he made to Judith Hill and KJ about if I am not there (for performances months down the road, IIRC) you will still be there were unsettling to read as well. He MAY have been talking about rehab, but i really don't think so.

PeteSilas said:

I agree with Penny's point in that people get to a certain age and look back taking stock and reconnecting. However, to Pete's point, I do remember a few interviews where when asked, Prince stated he doesn't look back but lives in the now (I'll look for link). Interesting if that changed for him as Judith said.

kmama07 said:

Or, as we are learning more and more, there was the “public” Prince - an image he created filled with mystery and the “private” Prince, who was just an ordinary man with a huge amount of talent and creativity.

AA1slot said:

PeteSilas said:

one thing i thought sounded very askew in the report and that was Judith Hill's quoting Prince as talking a lot about "the good old days" that really rang a bell with me because Prince, from his every indication, did not looking back, even for the triumphs, he liked to push forward, always, ever onward. So that sounded to me like something is wrong right there. I remember when he said he didn't even play his past albums, now, I don't know if that's true or not because he could say alot of things, but I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if it was true because he was such a force of nature, he gave no time to his triumphs or failures, just always onward to the next thing. so, that talk about the good old days really sounds to me like he was at the end reminiscing over his life, which is how it turned out.

The comments he made to Judith Hill and KJ about if I am not there (for performances months down the road, IIRC) you will still be there were unsettling to read as well. He MAY have been talking about rehab, but i really don't think so.

He also stated to Judith on the plane to Atlanta that he'd been sleeping a lot lately, and maybe it was time for him to leave this world. In the last P&M show, when he sang "I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore", he sang, "I remember meeting you here in the good old days....the 80's". He was relating that song to someone he was with then. During the first Atlanta show he talked about meeting Lisa, and how he almost sent her back to LA until he heard her playing piano down his basement.

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I do think that he looked back, and reflected on his life throughout the years - even if he stated publicly that he did't, but I'm sure it was more frequent toward the end.

Lovejunky said:

P

That triggered me to recall something that Wendy was quoted as saying about Him Pete...

In a book Called Minneapolis Rain....by Stuart Willoughby

Sorry its sideways..

Ill type it out...

"The thing about Prince "she said" Is that he was an inrcedible Force of Nature, He was like

this unstoppable comet flying through the Universe.

And for those four or five years we were together ,

we felt like we were holding on - just clinging on for dear life- and finally inevitably

we just couldnt keep hold any longer.

We felt incredibly privledged -that for a short time-

he allowed his magnificent light to shine on us"

This is a great quote. I love how she describes their story.

CooperC62057 said:

kmama07 said:

I agree with Penny's point in that people get to a certain age and look back taking stock and reconnecting. However, to Pete's point, I do remember a few interviews where when asked, Prince stated he doesn't look back but lives in the now (I'll look for link). Interesting if that changed for him as Judith said.

Or, as we are learning more and more, there was the “public” Prince - an image he created filled with mystery and the “private” Prince, who was just an ordinary man with a huge amount of talent and creativity.

I agree 100%. He had the public image that he gave to reporters, journalists and fans, and privately he was a hugely talented regular guy. With the exception of religion - he spoke of, and sang about his views, especially during the JW period. Part of being a member includes "spreading the word", and he would do that in interviews, songs, performances, and even door-to-door in Chanhassen.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

just didn't jibe with Prince, i know most of us do, but Prince was very unusual. just that alone sounds dramatically off from everything i know about the man.

I know Prince said in interviews that he didn't look back - the past was the past, but I think that was a facade in order to support and promote his new music. There are many accounts of Prince taking girlfriends and others around his old neighborhood and recounting his childhood and memories for them. Both Jill and Susannah have talked about this. I think he reflected a lot privately and through his music.

I've also said this before - he was a deeply nostalgic person and always the one to bring up the past - even after starting the talk with "We will not talk about the past".

CatB said:

violetcrush said:

I know Prince said in interviews that he didn't look back - the past was the past, but I think that was a facade in order to support and promote his new music. There are many accounts of Prince taking girlfriends and others around his old neighborhood and recounting his childhood and memories for them. Both Jill and Susannah have talked about this. I think he reflected a lot privately and through his music.

I've also said this before - he was a deeply nostalgic person and always the one to bring up the past - even after starting the talk with "We will not talk about the past".

Agreed 100%. His nostalgia is in his music too - whether talking about an ex-lover that he missed and wanted back (Empty Room, I Hate U, Tangerine, Goodbye, Strange But True, and tons of others) or expressing missing things about his childhood (Musicology, Reflection). I have no doubt that he missed and reflected on the past - especially the 80's when he was unstoppable. How could he not? He just always put up a "tough" facade for the cameras.

violetcrush said:

In the last P&M show, when he sang "I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore", he sang, "I remember meeting you here in the good old days....the 80's".

He also sang it that way at Montreux in 2009.