fortuneandserendipity said:

PeteSilas said:

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

But in a world where josef fritzl pulled off what he did anything is possible. Apart from ufos, ghosts and those things predicted to happen in religious texts. But yeah, it's not that hard for a celeb to conceal a drug habit, considering those rumored to do it.

Thanks!

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

"Bambi" was about a VERY popular,gifted, prodigy singer that Prince had a BIG crush on at the time.

Okay....guess she was gay then??

Perhaps, gender-fluid. I think she is married but...Not able to safely talk about those things in late 7o's. I remember my sister coming out to our family in 1974. We all thought someone had died.

It was SCARY and brave.

TrevorAyer said:

Susan set up the console and often left prince alone for hours or even overnight .. she didn’t know shit what he did ... p often burned thru engineers who would take turns in shifts .. they didn’t know shit ... vanity and morris were both coked up during pr .. 2 of p closest buds ... i think he was very good at discression and likely naive to the lack of stigma if it came in pill form from a doctor ... in fact it is quite common for a record company to have all sorts of legal and illegal suppliers around to keep these bands on the road and performing at high energy

Not true - Susan would spend hours with him in the studio and at rehearsals. She didn't leave, because he often needed her for various reasons. The Engineers knew a lot more than you think they did. Yeah sure, Prince may have recorded alone once he put the studio in his home, but the Engineers were always there at Sunset and PP. Prince and others knew Morris was on coke. Prince actually spoke to one of the Managers about it, because he wasn't showing up for rehearsals. Too many people have stated that Prince did not allow drugs or alchohol around the studio or while performing. I mean, I would say that is accurate if he's going to fine a band member $500 for drinking a can of beer.

TrevorAyer said:

Susan set up the console and often left prince alone for hours or even overnight .. she didn’t know shit what he did ... p often burned thru engineers who would take turns in shifts .. they didn’t know shit ... vanity and morris were both coked up during pr .. 2 of p closest buds ... i think he was very good at discression and likely naive to the lack of stigma if it came in pill form from a doctor ... in fact it is quite common for a record company to have all sorts of legal and illegal suppliers around to keep these bands on the road and performing at high energy

PREACH!

mcgill? is that bad or good, i wouldn't know. haven't been around many coke heads but one of my heroes, hector camacho was a longtime abuser and it showed up in his performances and also in interviews where he's constantly sniffling from a runny nose and sounds all plugged up. He was also known for doing a lot of crazy shit, probably from the coke.

peggyon said:

PeteSilas said:

did vanity say that? there were rumors, there are still rumors, one said he od'd on coke during the 1999 era, some people here remember the day at school and kids wearing prince shirts to memorialize him, i never heard nothing about that at the time is all i can say. Susan rogers may have been around that guy more than anyone in those years so I think she'd know a little something even if it was just looking back at it, she had to do all the staying up with him you know. Susan also clearly knew when Prince was on something during the infamous lovesexy period when he called her to paisley after she left and asked her to come back. She wasn't no dummy, i think she said she's some sort of doctor now. Too many people have said he was clean in those years and the dr. d story is simply not a reliable one from a reliable source(tabloid, no name).

She received her PhD from McGill. I've watched her interviews and she has struck me as socially dense. Devil's Advocate; someone with the street smarts of Prince could hide coke use. I've done it and it is subtle.

peggyon said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

But in a world where josef fritzl pulled off what he did anything is possible. Apart from ufos, ghosts and those things predicted to happen in religious texts. But yeah, it's not that hard for a celeb to conceal a drug habit, considering those rumored to do it.

Thanks!

Boy, I never anticipated seeing josef fritzl's name on a Prince site...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

TrevorAyer said:

Susan set up the console and often left prince alone for hours or even overnight .. she didn’t know shit what he did ... p often burned thru engineers who would take turns in shifts .. they didn’t know shit ... vanity and morris were both coked up during pr .. 2 of p closest buds ... i think he was very good at discression and likely naive to the lack of stigma if it came in pill form from a doctor ... in fact it is quite common for a record company to have all sorts of legal and illegal suppliers around to keep these bands on the road and performing at high energy

PREACH!

Not at all what I have read, and what Susan and other Engineers have stated. Prince would call her AHEAD of time to set up the console and get instruments ready before he arrived, BUT she would stay with him while he was recording, and also be there during rehearsals. She has told the stories of having to "roll back" the tape so he can play over the recording. Can't do that if you're not there. The only time Engineers would leave the recording area is when he would do his vocals. They would leave the room, and go back in when he finished.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Thanks!

Boy, I never anticipated seeing josef fritzl's name on a Prince site...

kinda lost me with that name.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

peggyon said:

Thanks!

Boy, I never anticipated seeing josef fritzl's name on a Prince site...

Right - quite the "apples and oranges" analogy there. Fritzl abused and manipulated children. The people around Prince were adults - very intelligent adults, and not easily fooled.

PeteSilas said:

Yes Pete I think so. But I also think It was ingrained in his personality early on, this hypersensitivity to criticism. I seems like it compelled him to be controlling and possessive of those around him. Just my opinion though.

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

Please refer to my previous response. I do not think Prince went overboard with drug use with Vanity, but there are those that feel he introduced her to and participated in drug use with her.

regarding the X trip, he was very high with dilated pupils etc. and acting more "high" than normal coke use would show.

He had strong, unfavorable words for Susan in his Ebony interview. He felt she overstepped in several ways, ie., the Vault and her statements that The Beautiful Ones was written for Susannah.

See my response above about the Ebony article and Susan Rogers....

Please see mine as well. We will have to agree to disagree. God night

PeteSilas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Boy, I never anticipated seeing josef fritzl's name on a Prince site...

kinda lost me with that name.

The monster who locked his young daughter in the basement and kept her as a sex slave and fathered several children with her. Abusing/manipulating young children and getting away with it is not even close to using drugs around adults and getting away with it.....

violetcrush said:

ladygirl99 said:

People who worked for Prince stated he was discussing of being JW and its teachings with Larry Graham and George Benson and even Mark Brown (Brownmark) who also remains JW but he remained indecisive in the late 90s. So I am going to stick by official reports he was converted in 2001 and was willing to take JW more seriously and he even announced this.

And also I guess I am going to take your word about Wendy being misquoting as there are a lot of articles about some of those Girl Bros interviews no longer exist on the web. So far I never came across an interview where she backtracked that original article.

Prince was baptized in 2000 or 2001; however, he was "studying" (as he used to say), and began publicly speaking about the JW faith and his beliefs as early as 1997-1998. I believe the issue with Wendy and Lisa being gay came in the early 2000's when there was talk of a 20 yr reunion. I believe I read that Bobby Z went to PP to speak with Prince, and he was told to pass that message to Wendy and Lisa. Wendy stated when she heard that she knew it was bad and she had to kind of "mourn" him, because there would be nothing to say at that point. Of course, we know that didn't last long, because Prince asked her to play with him on Tavis Smiley. So again, Prince was all over the place with his feelings, and brought people in and out of his life depending on his mindset.

That is what I sort of said he was discussing JW in the late 90s but also like I stated before he wasn't totally committed to the religion until around 2001. The interviews out there by people who worked for him around the time and in biography books said too that Prince still remained indecisive and then officially converted to JW in 2001. You and I are saying the same intent but expressing it differently.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Wow. That sounds absolutely horrible. I hope that wasn't his situation.

PeteSilas said:

mcgill? is that bad or good, i wouldn't know. haven't been around many coke heads but one of my heroes, hector camacho was a longtime abuser and it showed up in his performances and also in interviews where he's constantly sniffling from a runny nose and sounds all plugged up. He was also known for doing a lot of crazy shit, probably from the coke.

peggyon said:

She received her PhD from McGill. I've watched her interviews and she has struck me as socially dense. Devil's Advocate; someone with the street smarts of Prince could hide coke use. I've done it and it is subtle.

Have you watched some of Vanity's interviews? Very easy to tell when she was high. In one of the Playboy video interviews she is constantly sniffling and rubbing her nose. She apologizes and says she has a cold.

violetcrush said:

TrevorAyer said:

Susan set up the console and often left prince alone for hours or even overnight .. she didn’t know shit what he did ... p often burned thru engineers who would take turns in shifts .. they didn’t know shit ... vanity and morris were both coked up during pr .. 2 of p closest buds ... i think he was very good at discression and likely naive to the lack of stigma if it came in pill form from a doctor ... in fact it is quite common for a record company to have all sorts of legal and illegal suppliers around to keep these bands on the road and performing at high energy

Not true - Susan would spend hours with him in the studio and at rehearsals. She didn't leave, because he often needed her for various reasons. The Engineers knew a lot more than you think they did. Yeah sure, Prince may have recorded alone once he put the studio in his home, but the Engineers were always there at Sunset and PP. Prince and others knew Morris was on coke. Prince actually spoke to one of the Managers about it, because he wasn't showing up for rehearsals. Too many people have stated that Prince did not allow drugs or alchohol around the studio or while performing. I mean, I would say that is accurate if he's going to fine a band member $500 for drinking a can of beer.

I'm talking about pre-Purple Rain when Prince and Vanity were together. I'm sure there was shared drug use. (Please do not be naive)I think Vanity's drug use escalated in a big way when Prince sought other romantic dalliances. Morris Day was furious about the way he was treated by Prince and was passive-agressively trying to get back at him with his drug use during Purple Rain.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

what i've been saying is that that kind of fame creates an arrested developement of sorts, the things most of us learn he didn't have to, you or i have to sometimes change our issues to deal with life, he could switch his life to fit his issues. It stunted his growth, that's why you have a 57 years old with the same silly issues he had at 20. As Ali once said "a man who thinks the same way at 50 that he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life".

Yes Pete I think so. But I also think It was ingrained in his personality early on, this hypersensitivity to criticism. I seems like it compelled him to be controlling and possessive of those around him. Just my opinion though.

maybe, but i was like that at 18, pathologically shy, we didn't have little terms like anxiety that we threw around all the time then like we do now. I got past most of it, now my only issue is not that i'm shy, i just don't like being around people because they annoy ME, so i'm kinda the opposite now. But I went through a lot of crap to get like this, Prince could shut himself off from a lot of those things, I understand for a long time into his 30's he was still running away from people trying to talk to him, running through rooms so no one would try and start a conversation, Arsenio said when he was first on his show he was totally anti social and he was different in 2014 so he did make a helluva lot of progress in many areas but in some, he remained stunted. Overall, he seemed to mellow considerably.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

kinda lost me with that name.

The monster who locked his young daughter in the basement and kept her as a sex slave and fathered several children with her. Abusing/manipulating young children and getting away with it is not even close to using drugs around adults and getting away with it.....

ya, i just skimmed a wiki on him, sounds like a real soft touch.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

mcgill? is that bad or good, i wouldn't know. haven't been around many coke heads but one of my heroes, hector camacho was a longtime abuser and it showed up in his performances and also in interviews where he's constantly sniffling from a runny nose and sounds all plugged up. He was also known for doing a lot of crazy shit, probably from the coke.

Have you watched some of Vanity's interviews? Very easy to tell when she was high. In one of the Playboy video interviews she is constantly sniffling and rubbing her nose. She apologizes and says she has a cold.

Vanity was strung-out on coke.

I am suggesting Prince may have used subtly for energy and inspiration. He was always subtle. Knew how to curate his drugs. Look at how we were fooled.

Vanity was all out

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

mcgill? is that bad or good, i wouldn't know. haven't been around many coke heads but one of my heroes, hector camacho was a longtime abuser and it showed up in his performances and also in interviews where he's constantly sniffling from a runny nose and sounds all plugged up. He was also known for doing a lot of crazy shit, probably from the coke.

Have you watched some of Vanity's interviews? Very easy to tell when she was high. In one of the Playboy video interviews she is constantly sniffling and rubbing her nose. She apologizes and says she has a cold.

i've watched a few, none where I thought she seemed high but certainly not too bright. I remember about 12 years ago i was shocked when i saw her on that relgious program just because she looked so old, those are the kinds of things you can expect out of a drug user. Prince looked phenomenal up until the last few years.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Not true - Susan would spend hours with him in the studio and at rehearsals. She didn't leave, because he often needed her for various reasons. The Engineers knew a lot more than you think they did. Yeah sure, Prince may have recorded alone once he put the studio in his home, but the Engineers were always there at Sunset and PP. Prince and others knew Morris was on coke. Prince actually spoke to one of the Managers about it, because he wasn't showing up for rehearsals. Too many people have stated that Prince did not allow drugs or alchohol around the studio or while performing. I mean, I would say that is accurate if he's going to fine a band member $500 for drinking a can of beer.

I'm talking about pre-Purple Rain when Prince and Vanity were together. I'm sure there was shared drug use. (Please do not be naive)I think Vanity's drug use escalated in a big way when Prince sought other romantic dalliances. Morris Day was furious about the way he was treated by Prince and was passive-agressively trying to get back at him with his drug use during Purple Rain.

I just don't think that is accurate. Prince was too focused on his career to get mixed up with cocaine or other drugs. Vanity had issues before she met Prince, and was dating Rick James. No doubt her drug use began in his camp, as he had publicly admitted to being a heavy user. Vanity's habit may have become worse after Prince - well, we know it did, but I don't think he was into it with her. I think Morris got into cocaine, because he had the money and wanted to do Cocaine. He didn't have to do drugs to "get back" at Prince. He could have created the same trouble with or without the drugs.

Krystalkisses said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

No problem violet. As with any drug there are risks involved, especially from multiple interactions where they contraindicate. An early problem with opiates is the body's tolerance builds up quickly, often within a few weeks. And taken very long term, obviously this can be very dangerous. Not only that, there are health risks from taking them over period of many years. The GI tract all the way up to the throat can be affected, and the various conditions occuring come under the umbrella of acidosis.

Gastrointestinal problems include the following: abdominal cramping or pain, burning sensation in the anus or rectum (careful with the enemas), diarrhea, ulcers, and spasms (assuming no evidence of retardation) lol.

Hope this helps.

Wow. That sounds absolutely horrible. I hope that wasn't his situation.

well, his cook said the day after he died that something was wrong with his throat and stomach probably the first hard info we got when we were all just in the midst of shock still.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

fortuneandserendipity said: Wow. That sounds absolutely horrible. I hope that wasn't his situation.

well, his cook said the day after he died that something was wrong with his throat and stomach probably the first hard info we got when we were all just in the midst of shock still.

Yes, he stated Prince stopped asking for food quite awhile before the day he passed, and had complaints of throat and stomach pain. After the last Atlanta P&M show he said his stomach hurt. And the many enimas that were found. It just all adds up.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

well, his cook said the day after he died that something was wrong with his throat and stomach probably the first hard info we got when we were all just in the midst of shock still.

Yes, he stated Prince stopped asking for food quite awhile before the day he passed, and had complaints of throat and stomach pain. After the last Atlanta P&M show he said his stomach hurt. And the many enimas that were found. It just all adds up.

What is amazing to me is how well he was still performing one week before he passed. Those Atlanta shows are incredible - some slight changes in his voice, but mostly just great.

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

I'm talking about pre-Purple Rain when Prince and Vanity were together. I'm sure there was shared drug use. (Please do not be naive)I think Vanity's drug use escalated in a big way when Prince sought other romantic dalliances. Morris Day was furious about the way he was treated by Prince and was passive-agressively trying to get back at him with his drug use during Purple Rain.

I just don't think that is accurate. Prince was too focused on his career to get mixed up with cocaine or other drugs. Vanity had issues before she met Prince, and was dating Rick James. No doubt her drug use began in his camp, as he had publicly admitted to being a heavy user. Vanity's habit may have become worse after Prince - well, we know it did, but I don't think he was into it with her. I think Morris got into cocaine, because he had the money and wanted to do Cocaine. He didn't have to do drugs to "get back" at Prince. He could have created the same trouble with or without the drugs.

Prince and Morris had an actual knock-down-drag-out fist fight on the set of Purple Rain as Prince was furious with Morris for using, sleeping in and being un-prepared for his role in PR.

Morris was furious with Prince for firing Jimmi Jam and Terry Lewis from the Time and basically

rendering Morris completely without power. Morris got back at Prince by fucking up as much as possible in Prince's "baby", Purple Rain. Prince did not even issue an invitation to Morris on opening night. There was significant bad blood between the two.

violetcrush said:

PeteSilas said:

well, his cook said the day after he died that something was wrong with his throat and stomach probably the first hard info we got when we were all just in the midst of shock still.

Yes, he stated Prince stopped asking for food quite awhile before the day he passed, and had complaints of throat and stomach pain. After the last Atlanta P&M show he said his stomach hurt. And the many enimas that were found. It just all adds up.

Enemas are for opiate-induced constipation. His stomach hurt as he had something going on with him.

If fans were fooled that Prince lived the clean and he was battle with painkillers all along,

there can be possible he was recreational drug user too with cocaine, especially in the 80s. Remember he was full of contradictions and constantly compartmentalizing toward people. I am definitely not one of those naive fans either I can see Prince might dabbed coke with Vanity and whoever around him who was into that stuff.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said: Yes Pete I think so. But I also think It was ingrained in his personality early on, this hypersensitivity to criticism. I seems like it compelled him to be controlling and possessive of those around him. Just my opinion though.

maybe, but i was like that at 18, pathologically shy, we didn't have little terms like anxiety that we threw around all the time then like we do now. I got past most of it, now my only issue is not that i'm shy, i just don't like being around people because they annoy ME, so i'm kinda the opposite now. But I went through a lot of crap to get like this, Prince could shut himself off from a lot of those things, I understand for a long time into his 30's he was still running away from people trying to talk to him, running through rooms so no one would try and start a conversation, Arsenio said when he was first on his show he was totally anti social and he was different in 2014 so he did make a helluva lot of progress in many areas but in some, he remained stunted. Overall, he seemed to mellow considerably.

I think overly shy and anti-social personality disorder are two very different things though. The ASPD usually comes with several other quirks like controlling, hyper-sensitive, narcissistic, etc.

I get what you are saying..I am just saying the vibe was more subtle--like she was somewhat impervious to his charms and the friend who would roll her eyes when he kissed her on the check or make that little smirk during the Kiss video. It was fine and even charming but different. . Prince was doing the work in the charm area..she was the 'straight man' to his jokester for a lack of a better word. I am not saying she stood up there like a stick in the mud. She was working that guitar and doing the dance moves too. I am saying I was suprised when she started smiling during that rehearsal footage on the recent NC2U video. When Jerome and those guys started goofing off during the parade tour, it seems she was more backseat and it never changed after that. Wendy's charm is subtle and with those bigger personalities on stage, it feels like she was drowned out a bit. I wouldn't chuck up Sheila to just being sexual. they seemed to both cut up a bit more. Sheila was probably a bit more of kisser-upper though.

purplerabbithole said:

You ever notice that wendy and lisa's interactions with Prince on stage were often pretty subtle. He interacted more with Sheila, his later band mates like Shelby J, Mayte, Jerome, and even Cat. I don't doubt they had a bond but it wasn't exactly super noticable on stage. It was probably more apparent in rehearsals or recording sessions. Maybe, I haven't seen enough of these ladies but both always seemed kind of mysterious on stage and not all that demonstrativ when with Prince. "America" and Kiss video are most charismatic I have seen Wendy. "Head" and the 1999 video are the most charismatic I have seen Lisa. i haven't seen the revolution reunion tours. I imagine they are a bit more demonstrative due to their ages and years of experience.

As for the musicology tour story that violetcrush described, what are you talking about? Do you mean the first avenue performance between she and P.

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Take a look at the PR concert footage. Wendy was always interacting with Prince. They would do guitar riffs together, walk around the stage and up the stairs, dance moves, etc. Same with Parade tour. They would often share a mic, he would go up behind her grab her shoulders and rock back and forth. Heck, Christopher's Parade was originally titled Little Girl Wendy's Parade, and he kept that line in the song Kiss ("think I wanna dance....little girl Wendy's parade...") Wendy's vibe with Prince was completely different than Sheila, Cat, and especially Mayte. She was the "masculine" energy - more his counterpart, and not "eye candy" (although she was attractive but not in a sexpot way). She was strictly a player, not a dancer or the "sexy" female on stage with him.

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There was another show in 2004 (I will have to go back to see if I can find the interview) where Wendy, Lisa and Susannah were going as guests in LA - may have been House Of Blues or a venue like that - not a large arena show. Wendy was not scheduled to play on stage. Might have even been his residence at the time. But, Prince was calling up just about everyone there except for Wendy and Lisa - and I guess Bobby too. Or, he may have even called up Bobby and ignored them.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, he stated Prince stopped asking for food quite awhile before the day he passed, and had complaints of throat and stomach pain. After the last Atlanta P&M show he said his stomach hurt. And the many enimas that were found. It just all adds up.

Enemas are for opiate-induced constipation. His stomach hurt as he had something going on with him.

I know Enemas are needed for constipation due to the overuse of Opiates, however, the Doctor who posted earlier stated long term use can effect the GI Tract, throat, etc