PeteSilas said:

laytonian said:

purplerabbithole said:

PeteSilas said:

i figured someone would say that but i meant a real disease, cancer/aids i still think it's possible although in light of some of this stuff, seems to be a diminishing possibility. Thing with pain is, prince had been overcoming so many things for so long that a little pain wouldn't seem to be such a big deal, this is Prince not some regular joe. If football players have kicked the pills, i'm sure prince was just as mentally tough as them if not more, maybe I had too much faith in the man.

There are a lot of football players who struggle when they leave; plus they don’t still play in some capacity when they are 52. Plus physical pain is easier to deal with when you got trusted family around. Maybe because I am a newer fan, I don’t have those kind of high standards in terms of prince’s strength.

even if you got family, doesn't mean they can help, those kinds of things you have to go through alone. we all have to struggle with some real issues alone, it's part of being human. Brett Favre quit pills cold turkey, so it's doable, little richard claimed to quit all his drugs cold turkey.

purplerabbithole said:

laytonian said:

Prince would not have committed suicide, based on his lifelong religious beliefs. He was depressed, obviously--but he was still planning. He was told the Bayer bottle had Percocet, so he likely took a few at once. He always woke up before. Until he didn't. I'm thinking whatever was in that Bayer bottle was a relatively new acquisition, or else he'd have died before. He didn't get those drugs in Minnesota.

They could not have been that new.there was a lot of fentanyl in his liver. He had a tolerance. I think at very least he knew it was not the standard Percocet

also, i know Prince, the master manipulator, if he wanted to make it look accidental, he very easily could have. Maybe someday Susan and all these others will just say what's on there minds instead of riling us up like this.

Where did you get the info about excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists at the end of his life? I know this is often assumed, but all that Dr S reported him complaining about was numbness in his hands (he told judith he had hand issues), and some vomiting. At his last appointment Dr S recording Prince's top complaint was "feeling antsy."

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I'm not saying he didn't have other physical issues, but for whatever reason, he didn't discuss really them with the doctor, as far as I can tell. The issues with the doctor were mostly digestive and anxiety/agitation-related.

MMJas said:

PeteSilas said:

i've said from the beginning that Prince's star power (any star really) will distort everything, everything. As far as I'm concerned, it's not over, my mind is still open to other things too, including illness as a motive for suicide. With a star there is such a thing as managing the post-death image and the coroners/detectives etc.., are all very conscious of it all. And as far as a suicide letter, i think it's a myth that suicidal people leave notes all the time.

He had excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists. Could not keep food down. Was doing enemas by the dozen. His body was failing him. Was addicted to painkillers. That seems debilitationg enough to me...

purplerabbithole said:

PeteSilas said:

bondno9 said:

disch said:

Ah Ok. Where did that info about Kirk come from? I don't remember that from the police transcript but I might have missed it. Was it in there?

In a follow-up report submitted by Detective Chris Wagner (ICR: 1600012559). He stated: "Kirk told me he did not see Prince again until Tuesday evening, April 19th, 2016, around 2000-2030 hours when they had a meeting with Prince, Larry Graham, Meron Bekure and Kirk. Kirk said Prince had canceled shows on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday of that week (April 18-22nd, 2016) because of what happened in Atlanta and they were trying to urge Prince to take a break. Kirk said Prince was the one who wanted the help and they urged Prince to get physical exam by a doctor. That was why Kirk made the appointment with Dr. Schulenberg."

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Now, in the transcipt of the taped statement ... Kirk stated Prince wanted to talk to somebody and tha'ts why they reached out to Recovery Without Walls ...

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CW: Okay who is Andrew and how does Andrew come into this.

KJ:Andrew was from the company that we had called to um come out here and try to help him get you know, possibly you know, talk to him to see if he can get off any of these pain pills.

CW:Okay so you guys, was this during the meeting with Larry..

KJ:No this was just like just yesterday we were just trying to reach out because Prince said he wanted to talk to somebody, so just yesterday we just reached out to..I think the name is, this guy in San Francisco, How..Howard, I'm just trying to find out..

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now why would KJ act like he didn't know Howard Kornfeld's last name when he sent a text to Dr. S around 11:30 pm on 4/20 stating to fax test restults to him??? and also sent an email to P early am of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged and to call him when he got the email???

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..........Because, when someone speaks the truth, they don't have to remember and thus having inconsistent statements. Kirk, Meron, Phaedra, Larry, Tyka -- none of them are being truthful.

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Thieves, crooks, liars, wolves in sheep clothing.

laytonian said:

Prince would not have committed suicide, based on his lifelong religious beliefs. He was depressed, obviously--but he was still planning. He was told the Bayer bottle had Percocet, so he likely took a few at once. He always woke up before. Until he didn't. I'm thinking whatever was in that Bayer bottle was a relatively new acquisition, or else he'd have died before. He didn't get those drugs in Minnesota.

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disch said:

Where did you get the info about excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists at the end of his life? I know this is often assumed, but all that Dr S reported him complaining about was numbness in his hands (he told judith he had hand issues), and some vomiting. At his last appointment Dr S recording Prince's top complaint was "feeling antsy."

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I'm not saying he didn't have other physical issues, but for whatever reason, he didn't discuss really them with the doctor, as far as I can tell. The issues with the doctor were mostly digestive and anxiety/agitation-related.

MMJas said:

He had excrutiating pain in his ankles, knees, hips, hands and wrists. Could not keep food down. Was doing enemas by the dozen. His body was failing him. Was addicted to painkillers. That seems debilitationg enough to me...

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I would feel "antsy" too if I was drinking those 5-Hour Energy Drinks!!

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To think that he was drinking that stuff, along with taking Prescription Rx's!

Strawberrylova123 said:

PeteSilas said:

i figured someone would say that but i meant a real disease, cancer/aids i still think it's possible although in light of some of this stuff, seems to be a diminishing possibility. Thing with pain is, prince had been overcoming so many things for so long that a little pain wouldn't seem to be such a big deal, this is Prince not some regular joe. If football players have kicked the pills, i'm sure prince was just as mentally tough as them if not more, maybe I had too much faith in the man.

Prince...did..not...have...a..terminal...illness, Dr. S said their wasn't anything significant in his blood test besides slight anemia. A disease would've shown up in his blood and urine test.

all depends on what they were testing for, without the autopsy, i'm not 100 percent convinced.

Strawberrylova123 said:

PeteSilas said:

i figured someone would say that but i meant a real disease, cancer/aids i still think it's possible although in light of some of this stuff, seems to be a diminishing possibility. Thing with pain is, prince had been overcoming so many things for so long that a little pain wouldn't seem to be such a big deal, this is Prince not some regular joe. If football players have kicked the pills, i'm sure prince was just as mentally tough as them if not more, maybe I had too much faith in the man.

Prince...did..not...have...a..terminal...illness, Dr. S said their wasn't anything significant in his blood test besides slight anemia. A disease would've shown up in his blood and urine test.

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Exactly!!

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No diseases, only mild anemia. I don't understand why this is still even a discussion or debate?

disch said:

cloveringold85 said:

jesus, i'm listening to some of the phone calls, what a bunch of fucking wackos.

laytonian said:

zenarose said:

PeteSilas said:

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said:

all depends on what they were testing for, without the autopsy, i'm not 100 percent convinced.

There was a time I thought it was a possibility, but after reading the interviews, don't you think it (a chronic/terminal illness) would have been brought up to the staff who worked on him in Moline? JMO [Edited 5/15/18 14:53pm]

ya, that's the point that i see that makes that unlikely, i'm not 100 percent there yet though. I'm not 100 percent that he committed suicide or that he accidentally did it either. Only 100 percent that he's dead.

PeteSilas said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PeteSilas said: Prince...did..not...have...a..terminal...illness, Dr. S said their wasn't anything significant in his blood test besides slight anemia. A disease would've shown up in his blood and urine test.

all depends on what they were testing for, without the autopsy, i'm not 100 percent convinced.

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I am sure Dr. Schulenberg did a thorough scan on Prince's bloodwork on the 20th. Usually doctor's will do that, especially when a Patient is taking Rx (mine does)--they look for anything unusual or out of balance. Prince had mild anemia and the urine test on the 20th tested postive for Opioids.

My thought is, it would have also come up in the investigation files. A terminal illness would have been found in the autopsy, and it seems that would have set off some new investigative paths (since that might have been central to why and how he got opioids). But there's nothing in the investigation files that hint at anything like that.

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said:

all depends on what they were testing for, without the autopsy, i'm not 100 percent convinced.

There was a time I thought it was a possibility, but after reading the interviews, don't you think it (a chronic/terminal illness) would have been brought up to the staff who worked on him in Moline? JMO [Edited 5/15/18 14:53pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Exactly!!

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No diseases, only mild anemia. I don't understand why this is still even a discussion or debate?

It's there black and white! Prince suffered dealing with excruciating pain, I'm in medical school right now people need to understand that everything is found in the blood

It is if they order the specific tests.

A CBC could have been ordered which would have shown that he had slight anemia. Now it may suggest cancer if too few or too many of a type of blood cell are found, or abnormal cells, but it may not show up in a CBC. And dependent upon the cancer itself, it may not show in a CBC. A CBC would indicate whether there was any infection going on.

CBC is the standard "go to" blood tests that doctor's normally chose because it tests for a multiple of factors.

However, my condition (clotting) would not show up with a CBC. Just to get my condition to show up the doctor would have to order a very specific type of test; a d-Dimer test. Nothing has stated what kind of blood work was done on Prince. We can assume they probably looked at liver function, did a drug test to see what would show up in Prince, maybe a urinalysis. I doubt that they ordered specific tests to look for other diseases or conditions, as that is not the norm when looking at possible addictions and the effects those addictions may have had upon the body.

disch said:

My thought is, it would have also come up in the investigation files. A terminal illness would have been found in the autopsy, and it seems that would have set off some new investigative paths (since that might have been central to why and how he got opioids). But there's nothing in the investigation files that hint at anything like that.

kmama07 said:

PeteSilas said: There was a time I thought it was a possibility, but after reading the interviews, don't you think it (a chronic/terminal illness) would have been brought up to the staff who worked on him in Moline? JMO [Edited 5/15/18 14:53pm]

i would think so too but what if for some reason they didn't want to put it in there? The autopsy would be the best evidence and we won't get that until were all either dead or very old.

yeah i don't think there's a hidden bombshell in the full autopsy. Whatever's in there didn't merit mention as even a contributing cause on the autopsy summary, and like I said i think it would have triggered something in the investigation.

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Even tho some investigation files were dedacted, the office listed every file that was redacted and nothing on that list strikes me as hinting at a terminal illness issue. And no one in the interviews mentioned anything like that, and as far as we can tell, the cops didn't ask anyone anything about that even after they got the full autopsy.

PeteSilas said:

disch said:

My thought is, it would have also come up in the investigation files. A terminal illness would have been found in the autopsy, and it seems that would have set off some new investigative paths (since that might have been central to why and how he got opioids). But there's nothing in the investigation files that hint at anything like that.

i would think so too but what if for some reason they didn't want to put it in there? The autopsy would be the best evidence and we won't get that until were all either dead or very old.

disch said:

disch said:

yeah i don't think there's a hidden bombshell in the full autopsy. Whatever's in there didn't merit mention as even a contributing cause on the autopsy summary, and like I said i think it would have triggered something in the investigation.

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Even tho some investigation files were dedacted, the office listed every file that was redacted and nothing on that list strikes me as hinting at a terminal illness issue. And no one in the interviews mentioned anything like that, and as far as we can tell, the cops didn't ask anyone anything about that even after they got the full autopsy.

PeteSilas said:

i would think so too but what if for some reason they didn't want to put it in there? The autopsy would be the best evidence and we won't get that until were all either dead or very old.

if that's the case they or the family should just tell everything there is to tell. I know the state law etc.., but that doesn't preclude the family from going on the record i don't think. Any way you cut it, prince will be just as dead and that's just soooo dissapointing, was dissapointing on the 21 or april/16 and it's just as dissapointing now.

disch said:

yeah i don't think there's a hidden bombshell in the full autopsy. Whatever's in there didn't merit mention as even a contributing cause on the autopsy summary, and like I said i think it would have triggered something in the investigation.

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Even tho some investigation files were dedacted, the office listed every file that was redacted and nothing on that list strikes me as hinting at a terminal illness issue. And no one in the interviews mentioned anything like that, and as far as we can tell, the cops didn't ask anyone anything about that even after they got the full autopsy.

PeteSilas said:

i would think so too but what if for some reason they didn't want to put it in there? The autopsy would be the best evidence and we won't get that until were all either dead or very old.

I agree. Though, I was told by someone close to him originally, that he had prepared them and they were expecting it, but thought it would be "some time" yet. I think it's possible that the effects of the drugs on Prince's body might have led him to believe that it was soon, or knowing Prince it was some play on the number 7. For instance, MJ had passed 7 years earlier from drugs. Maybe Prince believed it was some kind of curse for stars born in 1958, that they'd die within 7 years of each other. Okay, that's not a real thing folks! But the person that mentioend it to me, I do know was friends with Prince, and they were pretty convinced that there was something going on and that he had prepared them.

well, who was it benni? we're all tired of this "people close to him" shit.

benni said:

disch said:

yeah i don't think there's a hidden bombshell in the full autopsy. Whatever's in there didn't merit mention as even a contributing cause on the autopsy summary, and like I said i think it would have triggered something in the investigation.

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Even tho some investigation files were dedacted, the office listed every file that was redacted and nothing on that list strikes me as hinting at a terminal illness issue. And no one in the interviews mentioned anything like that, and as far as we can tell, the cops didn't ask anyone anything about that even after they got the full autopsy.

I agree. Though, I was told by someone close to him originally, that he had prepared them and they were expecting it, but thought it would be "some time" yet. I think it's possible that the effects of the drugs on Prince's body might have led him to believe that it was soon, or knowing Prince it was some play on the number 7. For instance, MJ had passed 7 years earlier from drugs. Maybe Prince believed it was some kind of curse for stars born in 1958, that they'd die within 7 years of each other. Okay, that's not a real thing folks! But the person that mentioend it to me, I do know was friends with Prince, and they were pretty convinced that there was something going on and that he had prepared them.

PeteSilas said:

well, who was it benni? we're all tired of this "people close to him" shit.

benni said:

I agree. Though, I was told by someone close to him originally, that he had prepared them and they were expecting it, but thought it would be "some time" yet. I think it's possible that the effects of the drugs on Prince's body might have led him to believe that it was soon, or knowing Prince it was some play on the number 7. For instance, MJ had passed 7 years earlier from drugs. Maybe Prince believed it was some kind of curse for stars born in 1958, that they'd die within 7 years of each other. Okay, that's not a real thing folks! But the person that mentioend it to me, I do know was friends with Prince, and they were pretty convinced that there was something going on and that he had prepared them.

Pete, it wasn't anyone that anyone on here would know. She was "just a fan" that Prince took an interest in and befriended. And no, it wasn't one of the fake Prince's that used to frequent the internet, pretending to be him. She actually used to hang at PP and had pictures of private areas of PP that you wouldn't see if you were just there for one of the concerts. I didn't ask her for details, didn't want to know details. And unfortunately, in this situation, I don't feel that I am free to give her name since she isn't a well-known person. She doesn't post on the org either, as far as I know, but I wouldn't want to violate her privacy if she does.

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benni said:

PeteSilas said:

well, who was it benni? we're all tired of this "people close to him" shit.

Pete, it wasn't anyone that anyone on here would know. She was "just a fan" that Prince took an interest in and befriended. And no, it wasn't one of the fake Prince's that used to frequent the internet, pretending to be him. She actually used to hang at PP and had pictures of private areas of PP that you wouldn't see if you were just there for one of the concerts. I didn't ask her for details, didn't want to know details. And unfortunately, in this situation, I don't feel that I am free to give her name since she isn't a well-known person. She doesn't post on the org either, as far as I know, but I wouldn't want to violate her privacy if she does.

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You said it was someone close to Prince and they were expecting it. Expecting what? That he was going to take illegal Fentanyl and overdose? Did this person speak to the investigators?

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I don't think a "fan" would have such close & personal information about Prince. All this is just hearsay and it's not credible.