purplerabbithole said:

bondno9 said:

Okay. Folk like Susan Rogers need to stop with the hearsay. Who are these "people" she spoke with??? Stop being a scaredy cat and give up names. If not, she and others with their gossip mouths need to keep it moving down the yellow brick road

Sounds like her conclusions do not correspond with your theories. She was an outsider at the end of P’s life but I am sure his younger crowd discussed this stuff with the older crowd. [Edited 5/14/18 7:40am]

At least I'm not a scaredy cat about my theory. Trust me. I have no fear of calling associates out. And I wouldn't mind doing it face to face. If you want to talk about somebody then be man/woman enough to do it in public. More importantly, while the person is alive. Don't hide and spead gossip behind closed doors. Chickens.

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

bondno9 said:

nelcp777 said:

I thought Larry said the meeting was only about some shows and not Princes health. I will have to reread that. I am not giving Kirk a pass. My comment was to look at different avenues. Kirk was supposedly afraid or scared of Phaedra. He could have felt the same of Prince. I am not sure that Kirk and Meron were aware that Prince had passed already as some are saying. I guess the possibility is there.

Larry is a liar, liar, pants on fire.

Pete, Meron's video was on her Instagram account.

You dont need Laura to look for it.

I cant say for certain it was posted on April 20th though.

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now its too late...anything that was concealed has been....but the truth always gets out...it will be interesting to see how

OK here ya go! I could not get my pc to copy and paste so I typed it out for ya.

Not responsible for typos......

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CONCERT HALL ROOM # A2 garbage can:

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123.) During the search , DEA task force officers Voller and Lombardi searched the first floor concert hall identified for the warrant as Room A2. During their search the located a garbage can by a back door exit near the loading dock area. Inside of the garbage bag, they located CVS prescription documents along with 2 bottles of prescription medications in the name of Kirk Johnson and dated 4/14/16 ( the same day of the Atlnta concert/ emergency plane landing in Moline, Il). The 2 prescriptions were issued to Kirk Johnson by Sarah Elizabeth Boo. We knew that Dr. Schulenberg has already given Kirk Johnson a prescription that same day (4/14/16) for a controlled substance for Prince. Sarah Boo was another doctor who on the same day had prescribed a controlled substance to Kirk Johnson, Item # 27 which was identified as a prescription bottle for Acetaminophen-Codine #3 with RX # c499516. Th quantity showed 10 pills. Inside the bottle was 10 white round pills stamped 3/TV150 which according to drugs.com pill identifier search showed the pills to be Acetaminophen-Codine #3, the same as what was listed in the bottle

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124.) The second prescription bottle located in Kirk Johnson's name was also issued on 4/14/16 by Sarah Elizabeth Boo and was for Clindamycin HCL ( used for bacterial infections according to drugs.com) with a quantity of 28. Upon examining the contents of the bottle I observed green and blue capsules stamped with C39. I counted 33 capsules, 5 more capsules than what was prescribed on the bottle.

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125.) I observed a third prescription document for medication which was also in the name of Kirk Johnson with the prescriber Michael Schulenberg for 4/19/16. The prescription documentation was for Valacyclovir HCL 500 mg. ( according to drugs.com used for the treatment of herpes, cold sores, and shingles)

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126.) While speaking with Officers Voller and Lombardi, I observed a business card for Carver County Sheriff's Officer Lt. Eric Kittelson in the garbage along with the prescription bottles in Kirk Johnson's name. I knew that Lt. Kittelson was at the scene on 4/21/16 and had been one of the first to arrive on scene. I also observed in the same garbage bag as the prescriptions and Lt. Kittelson's business card, an empty Welchs Grape Juice bottle and an empty water bottle. I recalled during the initial scene search on 4/21/16, there was an empty Welch's Grape Juice bottle and water bottle near Princ's bed. Based on discovering the prescription bottles with the business card, I collected the grape juice bottle and the water bottle in case they were removed from Prince's room and needed to be tested. ( these items were placed in the trash after 4/22/16.

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He could have been nervous because he thought P would change his mind, or he started to think something was wrong or he couldn't find P in his room when he took the stairs. Who knows. It doesn't necessarily mean its a conspiracy. Calling people out for making mistakes or insensitivity (because none of us are perfect) is fine, but I think some of you almost hope P was murdered or that he didn't have a friend in the world who gave a shit if he died.

bondno9 said:

nelcp777 said:

fortuneandserendipity said: I agree with you. Perhaps Andrew describing Kirk as nervous that morning was because of the possible intervention and Kirk not knowing how Prince may act. Kirk trying to get Prince help at the last minute may have been hard on Kirk.

According to Kirk Prince requested help after meeting with KJ, Larry Graham, and Meron on the 19th. Also, he sent Prince an email early a.m. hours of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged. Sooo Kirky shouldn't have been nervous cause like he told Dr. S (morning of 4/21) he was waiting to give Prince something to take the edge off.

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I believe Prince was borderline autistic which is not the same as being on the spectrum. Unless we go with the idea it's a 1 in 10 problem, not 1:100. And the reason I say that is because, based on recent evidence, there is strong indication that the number of people who score low? on empathy quotient tests is much higher than previously thought. Conversely, to paraphrase an 'expert' with decades of experience, if you think someone is autistic because they're eccentric or socially awkward it's highly likely they're not autistic (statistically).

And to look at Prince's personality, as far as we're able, there's a lot of control and manipulation going on throughout his life. Which, if we're being honest, is a feature commonly associated with personality disorders, but one that is at odds with the 'autistic' personality. Trust me. I should know. I'm a doctor.

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Borderline autistic??

Never heard of that 2 Okay, I found something about it: https://www.dealwithautis...ne-autism/

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Speaking for myself, I have two lovely kids and a family I know loves me for who I am and not my money or fame. So, I wouldn't exchange that for a great piano performance. Anyhow, from what I read in those papers, he was pretty happy after the first show in Atlanta but "Bored" after the second show. People did say that the second show wasn't nearly as warm and spontaneous as the first. I have heard the first one and it was fun. I have not heard the last show.

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

Are we talking clinical depression here? I just saw an article on Robin Williams. someone who should have been on top of the world, and his medical issues were only part of what was ailing him.

very possibly, lots of people say that he was depressed. It was obvious from reading Elvis' bio that he was too. I guess part of it is after all that fast living, what does life hold in store for them, what can they do that they haven't already done a million times? As Judith said, Prince called his brilliant final performance "boring". As for me, i'll save a little more sympathy for all of us schmucks who have to trudge through everyday drudgery and misery.

These people knew Prince personally and he died. Maybe, she is just respecting their anonymity. The reality is that suicide is a very viable possibility--more so than a murder conspiracy.

bondno9 said:

purplerabbithole said:

bondno9 said: Sounds like her conclusions do not correspond with your theories. She was an outsider at the end of P’s life but I am sure his younger crowd discussed this stuff with the older crowd. [Edited 5/14/18 7:40am]

At least I'm not a scaredy cat about my theory. Trust me. I have no fear of calling associates out. And I wouldn't mind doing it face to face. If you want to talk about somebody then be man/woman enough to do it in public. More importantly, while the person is alive. Don't hide and spead gossip behind closed doors. Chickens.

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I imagine the stuff was tested. And the documents go into Kirk's dentist giving him pills for a cracked tooth. This is not some smoking gun.

zenarose said:

OK here ya go! I could not get my pc to copy and paste so I typed it out for ya.

Not responsible for typos......

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CONCERT HALL ROOM # A2 garbage can:

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123.) During the search , DEA task force officers Voller and Lombardi searched the first floor concert hall identified for the warrant as Room A2. During their search the located a garbage can by a back door exit near the loading dock area. Inside of the garbage bag, they located CVS prescription documents along with 2 bottles of prescription medications in the name of Kirk Johnson and dated 4/14/16 ( the same day of the Atlnta concert/ emergency plane landing in Moline, Il). The 2 prescriptions were issued to Kirk Johnson by Sarah Elizabeth Boo. We knew that Dr. Schulenberg has already given Kirk Johnson a prescription that same day (4/14/16) for a controlled substance for Prince. Sarah Boo was another doctor who on the same day had prescribed a controlled substance to Kirk Johnson, Item # 27 which was identified as a prescription bottle for Acetaminophen-Codine #3 with RX # c499516. Th quantity showed 10 pills. Inside the bottle was 10 white round pills stamped 3/TV150 which according to drugs.com pill identifier search showed the pills to be Acetaminophen-Codine #3, the same as what was listed in the bottle

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124.) The second prescription bottle located in Kirk Johnson's name was also issued on 4/14/16 by Sarah Elizabeth Boo and was for Clindamycin HCL ( used for bacterial infections according to drugs.com) with a quantity of 28. Upon examining the contents of the bottle I observed green and blue capsules stamped with C39. I counted 33 capsules, 5 more capsules than what was prescribed on the bottle.

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125.) I observed a third prescription document for medication which was also in the name of Kirk Johnson with the prescriber Michael Schulenberg for 4/19/16. The prescription documentation was for Valacyclovir HCL 500 mg. ( according to drugs.com used for the treatment of herpes, cold sores, and shingles)

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126.) While speaking with Officers Voller and Lombardi, I observed a business card for Carver County Sheriff's Officer Lt. Eric Kittelson in the garbage along with the prescription bottles in Kirk Johnson's name. I knew that Lt. Kittelson was at the scene on 4/21/16 and had been one of the first to arrive on scene. I also observed in the same garbage bag as the prescriptions and Lt. Kittelson's business card, an empty Welchs Grape Juice bottle and an empty water bottle. I recalled during the initial scene search on 4/21/16, there was an empty Welch's Grape Juice bottle and water bottle near Princ's bed. Based on discovering the prescription bottles with the business card, I collected the grape juice bottle and the water bottle in case they were removed from Prince's room and needed to be tested. ( these items were placed in the trash after 4/22/16.

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purplerabbithole said:

He could have been nervous because he thought P would change his mind, or he started to think something was wrong or he couldn't find P in his room when he took the stairs. Who knows. It doesn't necessarily mean its a conspiracy. Calling people out for making mistakes or insensitivity (because none of us are perfect) is fine, but I think some of you almost hope P was murdered or that he didn't have a friend in the world who gave a shit if he died.

bondno9 said:

According to Kirk Prince requested help after meeting with KJ, Larry Graham, and Meron on the 19th. Also, he sent Prince an email early a.m. hours of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged. Sooo Kirky shouldn't have been nervous cause like he told Dr. S (morning of 4/21) he was waiting to give Prince something to take the edge off.

I've always thought that on that morning the last place you would think to look is the elevator. You're expecting to find Prince alive somewhere in the building (a very large complex). Why on earth would you expect to locate him there? Unless he had set off the elevator alarm. And I'm assuming he was found inside the elevator behind closed doors. Is that right though?

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purplerabbithole said:

These people knew Prince personally and he died. Maybe, she is just respecting their anonymity. The reality is that suicide is a very viable possibility--more so than a murder conspiracy.

bondno9 said:

At least I'm not a scaredy cat about my theory. Trust me. I have no fear of calling associates out. And I wouldn't mind doing it face to face. If you want to talk about somebody then be man/woman enough to do it in public. More importantly, while the person is alive. Don't hide and spead gossip behind closed doors. Chickens.

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i've never been convinced that he didn't kill himself, it's dissapointing as an idea, (as susan said) but it's possible. Now, we have to deal with all the people going "well, they ruled it..," which only means so much really. I've said from the beginning that people lie whenver they see fit, even doctors. the doctor who did the autopsy on marilyn monroe and the doctor who did the autopsy on Hendrix both came out years later and said they were murdered, why? for attention more than likely. like i said, doctors are just people.

ThatWhiteDude said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Borderline autistic??

Never heard of that 2 Okay, I found something about it: https://www.dealwithautis...ne-autism/

[Edited 5/14/18 14:43pm]

I didn't mean 'borderline autism' as a label. I don't believe it's in the offical psychiatic manual. What I mean to say was regarding the gaussian curve, there are bound to be many more people with a couple of autistic tendencies than people who are definitely on the spectrum. Prince seemed to be more that way than average guy.

I do think that someone saying he was "bored" or even "over it" (paraphrasing what Susan Rogers said) isnt the same as saying "he committed suicide." It could mean that he was down and unmotivated, perhaps, and as such perhaps behaved more carelessly or recklessly that typical, but not necessarily as a plan to end his life.

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I still find the planned-suicide theory unconvincing not because Prince wouldn't do that (I don't claim to be able to climb his or anyone's mind) but because the sequence of events, such as his visiting the doctor and Walgreens on April 20, doesn't sound like someone experiencing his last planned day on earth.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

These people knew Prince personally and he died. Maybe, she is just respecting their anonymity. The reality is that suicide is a very viable possibility--more so than a murder conspiracy.

i've never been convinced that he didn't kill himself, it's dissapointing as an idea, (as susan said) but it's possible. Now, we have to deal with all the people going "well, they ruled it..," which only means so much really. I've said from the beginning that people lie whenver they see fit, even doctors. the doctor who did the autopsy on marilyn monroe and the doctor who did the autopsy on Hendrix both came out years later and said they were murdered, why? for attention more than likely. like i said, doctors are just people.

purplerabbithole said:

I imagine the stuff was tested. And the documents go into Kirk's dentist giving him pills for a cracked tooth. This is not some smoking gun.

zenarose said:

OK here ya go! I could not get my pc to copy and paste so I typed it out for ya.

Not responsible for typos......

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CONCERT HALL ROOM # A2 garbage can:

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123.) During the search , DEA task force officers Voller and Lombardi searched the first floor concert hall identified for the warrant as Room A2. During their search the located a garbage can by a back door exit near the loading dock area. Inside of the garbage bag, they located CVS prescription documents along with 2 bottles of prescription medications in the name of Kirk Johnson and dated 4/14/16 ( the same day of the Atlnta concert/ emergency plane landing in Moline, Il). The 2 prescriptions were issued to Kirk Johnson by Sarah Elizabeth Boo. We knew that Dr. Schulenberg has already given Kirk Johnson a prescription that same day (4/14/16) for a controlled substance for Prince. Sarah Boo was another doctor who on the same day had prescribed a controlled substance to Kirk Johnson, Item # 27 which was identified as a prescription bottle for Acetaminophen-Codine #3 with RX # c499516. Th quantity showed 10 pills. Inside the bottle was 10 white round pills stamped 3/TV150 which according to drugs.com pill identifier search showed the pills to be Acetaminophen-Codine #3, the same as what was listed in the bottle

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124.) The second prescription bottle located in Kirk Johnson's name was also issued on 4/14/16 by Sarah Elizabeth Boo and was for Clindamycin HCL ( used for bacterial infections according to drugs.com) with a quantity of 28. Upon examining the contents of the bottle I observed green and blue capsules stamped with C39. I counted 33 capsules, 5 more capsules than what was prescribed on the bottle.

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125.) I observed a third prescription document for medication which was also in the name of Kirk Johnson with the prescriber Michael Schulenberg for 4/19/16. The prescription documentation was for Valacyclovir HCL 500 mg. ( according to drugs.com used for the treatment of herpes, cold sores, and shingles)

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126.) While speaking with Officers Voller and Lombardi, I observed a business card for Carver County Sheriff's Officer Lt. Eric Kittelson in the garbage along with the prescription bottles in Kirk Johnson's name. I knew that Lt. Kittelson was at the scene on 4/21/16 and had been one of the first to arrive on scene. I also observed in the same garbage bag as the prescriptions and Lt. Kittelson's business card, an empty Welchs Grape Juice bottle and an empty water bottle. I recalled during the initial scene search on 4/21/16, there was an empty Welch's Grape Juice bottle and water bottle near Princ's bed. Based on discovering the prescription bottles with the business card, I collected the grape juice bottle and the water bottle in case they were removed from Prince's room and needed to be tested. ( these items were placed in the trash after 4/22/16.

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[Edited 5/14/18 14:31pm]

You are right. It isn't a smoking gun. There are oodles of red flags tho. This little tidbit just twists my head. I don't understand getting meds, not using them, then throwing them away. Makes no sense. Maybe KJ had some problems of his own.(medical)

disch said:

I do think that someone saying he was "bored" or even "over it" (paraphrasing what Susan Rogers said) isnt the same as saying "he committed suicide." It could mean that he was down and unmotivated, perhaps, and as such perhaps behaved more carelessly or recklessly that typical, but not necessarily as a plan to end his life.

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I still find the planned-suicide theory unconvincing not because Prince wouldn't do that (I don't claim to be able to climb his or anyone's mind) but because the sequence of events, such as his visiting the doctor and Walgreens on April 20, doesn't sound like someone experiencing his last planned day on earth.

PeteSilas said:

i've never been convinced that he didn't kill himself, it's dissapointing as an idea, (as susan said) but it's possible. Now, we have to deal with all the people going "well, they ruled it..," which only means so much really. I've said from the beginning that people lie whenver they see fit, even doctors. the doctor who did the autopsy on marilyn monroe and the doctor who did the autopsy on Hendrix both came out years later and said they were murdered, why? for attention more than likely. like i said, doctors are just people.

Maybe Prince thought the concert was boring to the fans or maybe he himself wasn't as excited as in the past. The concerts in the past were so over the top and high energy. I can imagine it was a HUGE change for him to be sitting and just singing. Im sure he knew that he was on his A game the night of the 14th but even so it wasn't the same as what used to be. Maybe having to slow down was a blow to his ego, finally realizing that his body was tuckin' tail. That would be hard for anyone to accept but I bet it was huge to Prince.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

These people knew Prince personally and he died. Maybe, she is just respecting their anonymity. The reality is that suicide is a very viable possibility--more so than a murder conspiracy.

i've never been convinced that he didn't kill himself, it's dissapointing as an idea, (as susan said) but it's possible. Now, we have to deal with all the people going "well, they ruled it..," which only means so much really. I've said from the beginning that people lie whenver they see fit, even doctors. the doctor who did the autopsy on marilyn monroe and the doctor who did the autopsy on Hendrix both came out years later and said they were murdered, why? for attention more than likely. like i said, doctors are just people.

Susan Rogers is as genuine as they come. And she spoke to recent insiders about it.

Because buprenorphine - the recommended treatment for Prince - is itself paradoxically an opioid, I now believe that would have been the wrong path to take, considering he may have been on opiate drugs for decades. Like you say, doctors are just people (and I should know). And yet every case is different. CNN debate the day after Prince's death, there was this woman who claimed to have taken them for decades for pain relief and under doctor supervision. So it is possible. But I doubt high energy genius could endure for that long. This woman wasn't exactly buzzing and her speech was labored.

Going off on another tangent, the isolate from cannabis, CBD (not THC) apparently gives enormous pain relief, without getting people high or psychologically addicted. But unfortunately it's not properly on the market. Yet I believe it probably would have saved him had he got past 'rehab shame'. Assuming that it becomes standard treatment everywhere, it's still probably 10-20 years out.

It sounds like his thoughts were eratic. Judith said he was 50/50 where suicide was concerned. Another theory --he wanted them to give him some privacy so he convinced them that the rehab was something he was interested in and then he did the deed when everyone was gone. Or maybe he wanted the anti-anxiety stuff because he was trying to be calm when he made the next decisions that either prolonged or ended his life and then when the stuff kirk gave him didn't work, he didn't want the bottles. Or maybe, he was just playing Russian Roulette (not planning on dying but not worrying about it if it happened.)

The thing to remember is that the doctors didn't know jack about Prince. If they were led to believe that he didn't know what was in those bottles and that he thought the earlier mixing of pills is what caused Molene, then it would be standard to think it wasn't suicide. Those who know him might feel differently because they know that his mind operated a bit differently than others and that he was cryptic and pretty damn secretive. Also, the elevator thing, I actually think, sounds a lot like a symbolic gesture of Prince's. I guess if he entered it from the lower floor, then he was punching the floor up. If he entered it from the upper floor, he was letting the elevator bring him down. I hope it was first case scenario if that is the case.

disch said:

I do think that someone saying he was "bored" or even "over it" (paraphrasing what Susan Rogers said) isnt the same as saying "he committed suicide." It could mean that he was down and unmotivated, perhaps, and as such perhaps behaved more carelessly or recklessly that typical, but not necessarily as a plan to end his life.

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I still find the planned-suicide theory unconvincing not because Prince wouldn't do that (I don't claim to be able to climb his or anyone's mind) but because the sequence of events, such as his visiting the doctor and Walgreens on April 20, doesn't sound like someone experiencing his last planned day on earth.

PeteSilas said:

i've never been convinced that he didn't kill himself, it's dissapointing as an idea, (as susan said) but it's possible. Now, we have to deal with all the people going "well, they ruled it..," which only means so much really. I've said from the beginning that people lie whenver they see fit, even doctors. the doctor who did the autopsy on marilyn monroe and the doctor who did the autopsy on Hendrix both came out years later and said they were murdered, why? for attention more than likely. like i said, doctors are just people.

yup, i was likewise never convinced that the elevator as a place was no accident.

purplerabbithole said:

It sounds like his thoughts were eratic. Judith said he was 50/50 where suicide was concerned. Another theory --he wanted them to give him some privacy so he convinced them that the rehab was something he was interested in and then he did the deed when everyone was gone. Or maybe he wanted the anti-anxiety stuff because he was trying to be calm when he made the next decisions that either prolonged or ended his life and then when the stuff kirk gave him didn't work, he didn't want the bottles. Or maybe, he was just playing Russian Roulette (not planning on dying but not worrying about it if it happened.)

The thing to remember is that the doctors didn't know jack about Prince. If they were led to believe that he didn't know what was in those bottles and that he thought the earlier mixing of pills is what caused Molene, then it would be standard to think it wasn't suicide. Those who know him might feel differently because they know that his mind operated a bit differently than others and that he was cryptic and pretty damn secretive. Also, the elevator thing, I actually think, sounds a lot like a symbolic gesture of Prince's. I guess if he entered it from the lower floor, then he was punching the floor up. If he entered it from the upper floor, he was letting the elevator bring him down. I hope it was first case scenario if that is the case.

disch said:

I do think that someone saying he was "bored" or even "over it" (paraphrasing what Susan Rogers said) isnt the same as saying "he committed suicide." It could mean that he was down and unmotivated, perhaps, and as such perhaps behaved more carelessly or recklessly that typical, but not necessarily as a plan to end his life.

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I still find the planned-suicide theory unconvincing not because Prince wouldn't do that (I don't claim to be able to climb his or anyone's mind) but because the sequence of events, such as his visiting the doctor and Walgreens on April 20, doesn't sound like someone experiencing his last planned day on earth.

PeteSilas said:

yup, i was likewise never convinced that the elevator as a place was no accident.

purplerabbithole said:

It sounds like his thoughts were eratic. Judith said he was 50/50 where suicide was concerned. Another theory --he wanted them to give him some privacy so he convinced them that the rehab was something he was interested in and then he did the deed when everyone was gone. Or maybe he wanted the anti-anxiety stuff because he was trying to be calm when he made the next decisions that either prolonged or ended his life and then when the stuff kirk gave him didn't work, he didn't want the bottles. Or maybe, he was just playing Russian Roulette (not planning on dying but not worrying about it if it happened.)

The thing to remember is that the doctors didn't know jack about Prince. If they were led to believe that he didn't know what was in those bottles and that he thought the earlier mixing of pills is what caused Molene, then it would be standard to think it wasn't suicide. Those who know him might feel differently because they know that his mind operated a bit differently than others and that he was cryptic and pretty damn secretive. Also, the elevator thing, I actually think, sounds a lot like a symbolic gesture of Prince's. I guess if he entered it from the lower floor, then he was punching the floor up. If he entered it from the upper floor, he was letting the elevator bring him down. I hope it was first case scenario if that is the case.

Of ALL the places in the world where Prince may have been found dead...on stage, in bed, in a bathtub, at his T&C estate, in an airplane (hmmmm), in a lovers' arms, in his favorite recording studio, at a piano...fill in 100 more...IN AN ELEVATOR? REALLY?? BY ACCIDENT???

Out of all people why would Prince include Larry Graham in a meeting about what to do with his drug problem? Especially if nobody knew Prince had drug problems.....I thought he and Larry were on the outs?

Wait, what meeting was Larry at about Prince's drug problem? I thought at the get-together the week Prince died, Larry et al talked about other stuff and Prince didn't get into health issues, the plane landing, etc (per Larry's police interview)?

PennyPurple said:

Out of all people why would Prince include Larry Graham in a meeting about what to do with his drug problem? Especially if nobody knew Prince had drug problems.....I thought he and Larry were on the outs?

^^ I have a question for those of you who believe in suicide. We got the things he told Judith and she said there's a 50/50 chance that it was suicide, and the point that a doctor couldn't know for sure that Prince didn't or did know that the pills were toxic. How is it, that, with all these points, that the police still ruled out suicide? Think about it, Judith's comment and the fact that he died of an OD alone, could've made them say: "Okay, this was a suicide." Because, if people OD on Pills it's usually a suicide. Case closed. But they didn't, I bet that after Judiths comments, that they thought it was a suicide but something must've make them go in a different direction, and I am 100% sure that it's not only the missing suicide letter.

So what made the police make this whole case an open murder investigation? Or another question: Why wouldn't they say suicide when there's evidence pointing to it? They didn't have to make this a two years investigation if it was that simple and if it was indeed suicide I'm sure they would've said this on the press conference this year.

disch said:

Wait, what meeting was Larry at about Prince's drug problem? I thought at the get-together the week Prince died, Larry et al talked about other stuff and Prince didn't get into health issues, the plane landing, etc (per Larry's police interview)?

PennyPurple said:

Out of all people why would Prince include Larry Graham in a meeting about what to do with his drug problem? Especially if nobody knew Prince had drug problems.....I thought he and Larry were on the outs?

It's what Bondno said.

bondno9 said:

According to Kirk Prince requested help after meeting with KJ, Larry Graham, and Meron on the 19th. Also, he sent Prince an email early a.m. hours of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged. Sooo Kirky shouldn't have been nervous cause like he told Dr. S (morning of 4/21) he was waiting to give Prince something to take the edge off.

PennyPurple said:

Out of all people why would Prince include Larry Graham in a meeting about what to do with his drug problem? Especially if nobody knew Prince had drug problems.....I thought he and Larry were on the outs?

That is a good question.

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ I have a question for those of you who believe in suicide. We got the things he told Judith and she said there's a 50/50 chance that it was suicide, and the point that a doctor couldn't know for sure that Prince didn't or did know that the pills were toxic. How is it, that, with all these points, that the police still ruled out suicide? Think about it, Judith's comment and the fact that he died of an OD alone, could've made them say: "Okay, this was a suicide." Because, if people OD on Pills it's usually a suicide. Case closed. But they didn't, I bet that after Judiths comments, that they thought it was a suicide but something must've make them go in a different direction, and I am 100% sure that it's not only the missing suicide letter.

So what made the police make this whole case an open murder investigation? Or another question: Why wouldn't they say suicide when there's evidence pointing to it? They didn't have to make this a two years investigation if it was that simple and if it was indeed suicide I'm sure they would've said this on the press conference this year.

i've said from the beginning that Prince's star power (any star really) will distort everything, everything. As far as I'm concerned, it's not over, my mind is still open to other things too, including illness as a motive for suicide. With a star there is such a thing as managing the post-death image and the coroners/detectives etc.., are all very conscious of it all. And as far as a suicide letter, i think it's a myth that suicidal people leave notes all the time.

PeteSilas said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ I have a question for those of you who believe in suicide. We got the things he told Judith and she said there's a 50/50 chance that it was suicide, and the point that a doctor couldn't know for sure that Prince didn't or did know that the pills were toxic. How is it, that, with all these points, that the police still ruled out suicide? Think about it, Judith's comment and the fact that he died of an OD alone, could've made them say: "Okay, this was a suicide." Because, if people OD on Pills it's usually a suicide. Case closed. But they didn't, I bet that after Judiths comments, that they thought it was a suicide but something must've make them go in a different direction, and I am 100% sure that it's not only the missing suicide letter.

So what made the police make this whole case an open murder investigation? Or another question: Why wouldn't they say suicide when there's evidence pointing to it? They didn't have to make this a two years investigation if it was that simple and if it was indeed suicide I'm sure they would've said this on the press conference this year.

i've said from the beginning that Prince's star power (any star really) will distort everything, everything. As far as I'm concerned, it's not over, my mind is still open to other things too, including illness as a motive for suicide. With a star there is such a thing as managing the post-death image and the coroners/detectives etc.., are all very conscious of it all. And as far as a suicide letter, i think it's a myth that suicidal people leave notes all the time.

That's why I said, the suicide letter isn't the only thing that made them rule out suicide, because they know not everyone writes one. And they even had Judiths comments, what he said to her, and then the OD and still said: "Nope, no suicide."

disch said: