stlmuziqlvr said:

Mumio said:

Agreed stlmuziqlvr. But Penny has also brought up laurarichardson in the past and said she missed her posting here. Maybe she was just kidding around with you.

Thanks, mumio. Yes, I remember the comments and that's why I found it so ironic, however, I don't think any kidding was involved.

So was Laura banned? If so, for what? Thanks.

I did read post 203 and I did not imply that Pete was speaking on behalf of everyone on the org. What my comment does imply is that not everyone on the org is happy that Laura is gone.

I know what I wrote and what I meant, if you chose to interpret it otherwise then so be it.

PennyPurple said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Penny, where exactly did I "comment that he (pete) speaks for 'us' "?

Look at post 203

I'm not sure, 1Sasha but she hasn't been around for awhile and she was an org regular.

1Sasha said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

Thanks, mumio. Yes, I remember the comments and that's why I found it so ironic, however, I don't think any kidding was involved.

So was Laura banned? If so, for what? Thanks.

stlmuziqlvr said:

I'm not sure, 1Sasha but she hasn't been around for awhile and she was an org regular.

1Sasha said:

So was Laura banned? If so, for what? Thanks.

That bothers me if she was. She was ALWAYS in Prince's corner.

Agreed, 1Sasha.

1Sasha said:

stlmuziqlvr said:

I'm not sure, 1Sasha but she hasn't been around for awhile and she was an org regular.

That bothers me if she was. She was ALWAYS in Prince's corner.

fortuneandserendipity said:

To me that's not what you were implying. When Bodhi told Pete he was speaking for himself, you replied No, he's not. You might know what you meant, but others didn't.

stlmuziqlvr said:

I did read post 203 and I did not imply that Pete was speaking on behalf of everyone on the org. What my comment does imply is that not everyone on the org is happy that Laura is gone.

I know what I wrote and what I meant, if you chose to interpret it otherwise then so be it.

PennyPurple said:

Look at post 203

stlmuziqlvr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You realize, Pete, you're speaking for yourself.

No, he's not.

PennyPurple said:

To me that's not what you were implying. When Bodhi told Pete he was speaking for himself, you replied No, he's not. You might know what you meant, but others didn't.

stlmuziqlvr said:

I did read post 203 and I did not imply that Pete was speaking on behalf of everyone on the org. What my comment does imply is that not everyone on the org is happy that Laura is gone.

I know what I wrote and what I meant, if you chose to interpret it otherwise then so be it.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You realize, Pete, you're speaking for yourself.

No, he's not.

I think we can all agree that LR was a polarizing figure. In Prince's 'corner'...sure...even when she was inaccurate, misinformed, hostile to those who held and articulated a different opinion, stubborn, repetitive, aggressive, frequently unpleasant, talked down to people, showed no respect for compromise or normal back-and-forth conversation, etc. IMO, that level of cult-like support, excuse and myth making is what killed him.

PennyPurple said:

To me that's not what you were implying. When Bodhi told Pete he was speaking for himself, you replied No, he's not. You might know what you meant, but others didn't.

stlmuziqlvr said:

I did read post 203 and I did not imply that Pete was speaking on behalf of everyone on the org. What my comment does imply is that not everyone on the org is happy that Laura is gone.

I know what I wrote and what I meant, if you chose to interpret it otherwise then so be it.

stlmuziqlvr said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

You realize, Pete, you're speaking for yourself.

No, he's not.

either way, we can't ask her about Meron's post now, and the very real possibility that P died on the night of the 20th and that people knew long beforehand and took their sweet time figuring out what to do. a real possibility I think.

zenarose said:

Hey Clover if you have the 214 page file scroll down to the heading CONCERT HALL ROOM A2 GARBAGE CAN. Start with item #123.

This was "After" the weekend memorial that was on that Saturday or Sunday. Evidentally it was thought the cops were long gone and no worries. Anyway, give it a look. It will twist your head!!

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Yes; I've seen the pics.

nelcp777 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I think Kirk actually comes out of this with some credit. He got nearer to getting prince the help he needed than anyone. And I don't believe him to be a true enabler, at worst a middleman semi-enabler. Prince was after all ordering these pills over the internet (most likely explanation, not a fact).

I agree with you. Perhaps Andrew describing Kirk as nervous that morning was because of the possible intervention and Kirk not knowing how Prince may act. Kirk trying to get Prince help at the last minute may have been hard on Kirk.

According to Kirk Prince requested help after meeting with KJ, Larry Graham, and Meron on the 19th. Also, he sent Prince an email early a.m. hours of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged. Sooo Kirky shouldn't have been nervous cause like he told Dr. S (morning of 4/21) he was waiting to give Prince something to take the edge off.

anyway, i'm still finding it intriguing what susan rogers said, that she spoke to people who were around him in the last year (no names of course) and she thought he was "done" in his own mind, she said everything except the word suicide, i wonder what the people close to him told her that they didn't tell the police.

Are we talking clinical depression here? I just saw an article on Robin Williams. someone who should have been on top of the world, and his medical issues were only part of what was ailing him.

MMJas said:

dreamer5 said:

Here is an interview of Susan Rogers that was released a couple weeks ago. If you listen to last 7 minutes she relfects on her thoughts on past drug abuse and what she believes happened based on multiple discussions with the people who were around him in the last year of his life.

This is the most directly I've heard anyone discuss the topic on record.

http://thegoodamericancol...ineer.html

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Great interview. And yes, she is very direct. Prince was never interested in recreational drugs. He felt no need to get high. He abused his body by being a perfectionist and could never admit to being ill, because he saw it as a weakness. He had excrutiating pain from bone on bone grating, in his hips, knees and ankles. We know from JH that the same was happening with his hands and wrists. He took pain medicine to deal with all that and became addicted. To the point of no return. Susan also spoke with people who were around him in the last year of his life and from what they told her three things stand out for me:

- he was a man nobody could say no to;

- nobody could tell him what to do;

- he was done.

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I guess in Prince's mind, he thought that taking pills was okay and not considered "drugs".

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If only he had gone into treatment, he would most-likely still be here. Help came too late.

fortuneandserendipity said:

purplerabbithole said:

I don't want to derail the thread in an attempt to analyze Prince's nature. I don't think he was a narcissist any more than most performers (pure narcissists, in my opinion, don't compensate for preceived shortcomings through working hard and living in disguise--so like most performers he probably had compensory narcissism--Remember narcississ didn't run over to his makeup counter, throw on heels, get decked out, work nine hours on a song and bust his butt rehearsing before he he got to the point that he couldn't stop staring at his own reflection--he was in love with himself as is) I think the bigger problem was that he was on the autistic spectrum, had abandonment issues, was deeply insecure, and had trust issues. As for Kirk babysitting him, he did pay him. Nobody was doing anything for Free for Prince. Since Prince died, I think its become more apparent that folks around him are rather self-serving themselves. I am not saying they are unfeeling people but remember the Weltons, Larry, and even Kirk I believe lived in homes PRince paid for. His sister acts like she is broke, but a week before he died he deposited 10,000 dollars in her account,(and I imagine this happened frequently due to the "job" he gave her.) She has blown the cars and other money he gave her because of her addiction.(he also paid for her rehab ironically>)

I believe Prince was borderline autistic which is not the same as being on the spectrum. Unless we go with the idea it's a 1 in 10 problem, not 1:100. And the reason I say that is because, based on recent evidence, there is strong indication that the number of people who score low? on empathy quotient tests is much higher than previously thought. Conversely, to paraphrase an 'expert' with decades of experience, if you think someone is autistic because they're eccentric or socially awkward it's highly likely they're not autistic (statistically).

And to look at Prince's personality, as far as we're able, there's a lot of control and manipulation going on throughout his life. Which, if we're being honest, is a feature commonly associated with personality disorders, but one that is at odds with the 'autistic' personality. Trust me. I should know. I'm a doctor.

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Borderline autistic??

1Sasha said:

Are we talking clinical depression here? I just saw an article on Robin Williams. someone who should have been on top of the world, and his medical issues were only part of what was ailing him.

very possibly, lots of people say that he was depressed. It was obvious from reading Elvis' bio that he was too. I guess part of it is after all that fast living, what does life hold in store for them, what can they do that they haven't already done a million times? As Judith said, Prince called his brilliant final performance "boring". As for me, i'll save a little more sympathy for all of us schmucks who have to trudge through everyday drudgery and misery.

fortuneandserendipity said:

peggyon said:

I agree that Prince could be lovely at times. I just think there is so much criticism of Kirk...I don't think Prince would have offered much if the roles were reversed...too selfish. Why did Kirk have to baby-sit a grown man?

Though I was too often entranced by him and his magnetism, I think he was likely a narcissist. I stuggle with his treatment of women, subordinants, his self-centeredness and try to square that with his transcendant art.

I think Kirk actually comes out of this with some credit. He got nearer to getting prince the help he needed than anyone. And I don't believe him to be a true enabler, at worst a middleman semi-enabler. Prince was after all ordering these pills over the internet (most likely explanation, not a fact).

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Just curious; how do you consider someone who is a liar to be someone with credibility??

hope laurarichardson is doing what needs to be done...even if elsewhere

bondno9 said:

MMJas said:

Great interview. And yes, she is very direct. Prince was never interested in recreational drugs. He felt no need to get high. He abused his body by being a perfectionist and could never admit to being ill, because he saw it as a weakness. He had excrutiating pain from bone on bone grating, in his hips, knees and ankles. We know from JH that the same was happening with his hands and wrists. He took pain medicine to deal with all that and became addicted. To the point of no return. Susan also spoke with people who were around him in the last year of his life and from what they told her three things stand out for me:

- he was a man nobody could say no to;

- nobody could tell him what to do;

- he was done.

[Edited 5/14/18 3:45am]

Okay. Folk like Susan Rogers need to stop with the hearsay. Who are these "people" she spoke with??? Stop being a scaredy cat and give up names. If not, she and others with their gossip mouths need to keep it moving down the yellow brick road

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I agree! I wish they would all just shut the hell up already!!

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They aren't helping anything; only adding to the drama.

nelcp777 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

I think Kirk actually comes out of this with some credit. He got nearer to getting prince the help he needed than anyone. And I don't believe him to be a true enabler, at worst a middleman semi-enabler. Prince was after all ordering these pills over the internet (most likely explanation, not a fact).

I agree with you. Perhaps Andrew describing Kirk as nervous that morning was because of the possible intervention and Kirk not knowing how Prince may act. Kirk trying to get Prince help at the last minute may have been hard on Kirk.

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Did you read the investigation documents? Kirk only rang Prince's room ONCE on the morning of April 21st. Does that sound like someone who is concerened about his friend? Why didn't he just go upstairs and knock on his door?

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I don't understand how some of y'all are giving Kirk a free pass on his strange behavior, not to mention his inconsistent statements. Have you read the investigation docs and Kirk's statements that were released 3-weeks ago??

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

To me that's not what you were implying. When Bodhi told Pete he was speaking for himself, you replied No, he's not. You might know what you meant, but others didn't.

I think we can all agree that LR was a polarizing figure. In Prince's 'corner'...sure...even when she was inaccurate, misinformed, hostile to those who held and articulated a different opinion, stubborn, repetitive, aggressive, frequently unpleasant, talked down to people, showed no respect for compromise or normal back-and-forth conversation, etc. IMO, that level of cult-like support, excuse and myth making is what killed him.

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^^^^ I agree with you on that one. ^^^^

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

To me that's not what you were implying. When Bodhi told Pete he was speaking for himself, you replied No, he's not. You might know what you meant, but others didn't.

either way, we can't ask her about Meron's post now, and the very real possibility that P died on the night of the 20th and that people knew long beforehand and took their sweet time figuring out what to do. a real possibility I think.

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I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach to think of the possibility that Prince was already gone on the 20th, and they all knew, and then had to concot a story that would be believable.

bondno9 said:

nelcp777 said:

fortuneandserendipity said: I agree with you. Perhaps Andrew describing Kirk as nervous that morning was because of the possible intervention and Kirk not knowing how Prince may act. Kirk trying to get Prince help at the last minute may have been hard on Kirk.

According to Kirk Prince requested help after meeting with KJ, Larry Graham, and Meron on the 19th. Also, he sent Prince an email early a.m. hours of 4/21 stating all care for house had been arranged. Sooo Kirky shouldn't have been nervous cause like he told Dr. S (morning of 4/21) he was waiting to give Prince something to take the edge off.

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cloveringold85 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I think we can all agree that LR was a polarizing figure. In Prince's 'corner'...sure...even when she was inaccurate, misinformed, hostile to those who held and articulated a different opinion, stubborn, repetitive, aggressive, frequently unpleasant, talked down to people, showed no respect for compromise or normal back-and-forth conversation, etc. IMO, that level of cult-like support, excuse and myth making is what killed him.

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^^^^ I agree with you on that one. ^^^^

I think we butted heads once or twice, but after that we got along, and even org-noted from time to time. I do miss her contribution to the forums. I hope she is well.

PeteSilas said:

1Sasha said:

Are we talking clinical depression here? I just saw an article on Robin Williams. someone who should have been on top of the world, and his medical issues were only part of what was ailing him.

very possibly, lots of people say that he was depressed. It was obvious from reading Elvis' bio that he was too. I guess part of it is after all that fast living, what does life hold in store for them, what can they do that they haven't already done a million times? As Judith said, Prince called his brilliant final performance "boring". As for me, i'll save a little more sympathy for all of us schmucks who have to trudge through everyday drudgery and misery.

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I think JH took Prince's comments out of context. He actually said his performance in ATL was the best he'd ever done. He was said to be upbeat and happy when he left ATL.

purplerabbithole said:

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

Hey Clover if you have the 214 page file scroll down to the heading CONCERT HALL ROOM A2 GARBAGE CAN. Start with item #123.

This was "After" the weekend memorial that was on that Saturday or Sunday. Evidentally it was thought the cops were long gone and no worries. Anyway, give it a look. It will twist your head!!

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Yes; I've seen the pics.

Yes the photos are in a different Record #. I was referring to the list of scripts found in the trash in that area.

Oh she's living it up over on Lipstick alley (and I'm sure many a facebook group). You can go visit her on that site anytime.

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I stopped there as a lurker recently and was surprised to see not only good ol Laura up to her usual shenanigans, but that she mentioned me by name in a thread and tried to drum up a convo about what "my deal" is (apparently I'm both "pro drug" and may even be a stealth member of the Carver County Sheriff's office!).

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And that is literally all I will say here about her. Laura I know you're lurking here so hello!

1Sasha said:

cloveringold85 said:

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^^^^ I agree with you on that one. ^^^^

I think we butted heads once or twice, but after that we got along, and even org-noted from time to time. I do miss her contribution to the forums. I hope she is well.

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zenarose said:

PennyPurple said: