Mumio said:

Hahahahahaha! Looks like there's plenty of people who were interacting with prizefight privately via orgnotes. There's more who haven't even spoken here either

That's funny as hell and interesting to fuck with me as well.

We are all truthful. I find her statements very hurtful because they don't take into account the full complexity of Prince (not just the bad but also the good) and his people. . I don't mean to be mean and I would never do so if it weren't for the fact that I feel like it is unfair to turn real life human beings (living and dead) into Shakespearan caricatures.

She makes some pretty harsh statements and she is entitled to them but I am allowed to be offended. Obviously, Prince brings out strong emotions. But we all could walk away from the discussion. I was mean about the karma thing and saying she seems to hate PRince as a human being and I regret that. And she is not the only one who said it (in all honesty--others in that thread did--I just found it again recently). But I feel like any human being with the inability to defend themselves whether they be dead, troubled, addicted or just too private for their own good. harsh words like those are going to illicit emotional responses.

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

Bodhi has just as much love and affinity for Prince as anyone here. Don't get butt hurt because bodhi happens to be a realist. As far as Bodhi saying "Karma" got the better of Prince, you best back that up with a link. You stepped over the line there

Bodhi is a very truthful person. A lot of people here have put her thru needless hell. She is blunt and to the point and I like that. And if everyone would get to know her, she's compassionate as well.

[Edited 5/4/18 21:07pm]

I don't need more than 2 or 3 people to "prove byond a reasonable doubt" that Prince WAS neglected.


Did you SEE the way PP was left (pre ransacking)? That is the definition of NEGLECT. And that is only speaking of PP.

Let's take it a step farther. If Prince was neglecting himself in that manner, what's the old addage? "People only treat you the way you allow them to"?


He obviously allowed the neglect from others to continue as well.

You are continuing to point the finger and labeling my point of view as judgenmental. Agreeing with what a poster "speculated" on does not make me judgemental. The alignment of the speculation with my own opinion, coupled with recent revelations in the documents, only exposes me as being a realist. There is a difference.

The truth hurts more to those that DID care than to a judgemental jerk who cares not for any one else's well being but their own. I am of the former mindset and not the latter.

Maybe you need to practice being able to discern between a person who is judgemental and one who happens to be a realist, and doesn't cloud their perception with the all encompasing purple tinted glasses

purplerabbithole said:

Three who claim to know? MOrris asked in 1994 because Prince was acting weird. He had no proof for drug usage whatsoever. My point is that he asked a taboo question and was still employed to tell about it which contradicts the notion that all people were immediately fired for asking about drugs. NOthing I am saying is the irrational description you just gave. I am over analytical and wordy and a little angry about people's lack of compassion and judgmental generalizations. . And you are still missing my point. Two people with opinions does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that P died of neglect due to his mistreatment of others and that everyone knew the extent of his problem at all times and just didn't give a crap. Most people who quit prince did it becuase he worked them too hard and he himself worked too hard. It was money issues in the past; long unpredicable hours in the later years. BTW, challenging one's boss over his own personal life is never easy for anyone (regardless of the boss's personality) and especially if they are famous. So, let's remember that. But providing illegal drugs for your boss is immoral and wrong and plain stupid.

precioux said:

READ IT AGAIN. It was an order. You need to grow up...or maybe you need to take a break from only having interaction with children for a while, because you're ACTING like one. I would expect a little more couth from a person who is employed as a "teacher" in the United States educational system....are you not?

Furthermore, if you want to say that there were 2 that claimed to know, now you have 3....which cements my beliefs even further.

Btw, who are you admonishing as "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Your being butt hurt over this prizefight situation is causing you to come off as delusional.

Repeating the same actions, expecting a different answer is the very definition of insanity.Your psychology classes have failed you, I'm afraid.

[Edited 5/4/18 20:19pm]

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

I just spit my coffee out...I remember that!!!!

PennyPurple said:

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

Maybe you need to practice being able to discern between a person who is judgemental and one who happens to be a realist, and doesn't cloud their perception with the all encompasing purple tinted glasses

That line is judgemental and condensending. If I am coming off condensending, then I apologize. But I am not seeing it through purple tinted glasses. I just don't see these people as caricatures of hollywood excess and ambition. People have good and bad. They make mistakes. they fail. Sometimes they do the right thing and sometimes they do the wrong thing but their reasons are complicated. By the way, my house is a complete mess. I would hope if I died, people wouldn't assume that mess indicated anything other than a busy person. Prince was obviously a complicated man but I chose to believe that good stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always) and bad stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always). And that the grey area is where the reality lies. I don't think knee jerk reactions are helpful even though I admit I jump to them to at times. I am trying not to though. The reality is that Prince was a work obsessed man with pain issues, trust issues, too much power, and too little true self-esteem (sometimes Wendy rightfully alluded to). He was probably borderline autistic, delusional and insecure. But I also believe he was funny, warm, and kind. one of his engineers called him weird, wonderful, warm and cruel. Mayte said he was good, bad, wonderful and sad. He was a challenge, but I don't think the bad outweighed the good. I don't think people hated him to the extent of not caring. I really think they were powerless to help him, in denial, unsure how to broach the subject, angry (sure) but not angry enough to avoid helping him if he asked and sincerely wanted it. The reports were heartbreaking but the reality is that investigators aren't looking for good samaritan moments, they are looking for dirt. And dirt is always around in life. . But as far as I could tell, Kirk seemed to want him to live. His problem was that he was trying to balance what Prince (and his brand) wanted with what Prince as a human being needed. But you can't do both. You got to put what he needs above what he wants. But this is hard to do when your boss believes wholeheartedly in his privacy, his dignity, his musical reason for being and he is in pain--and he is your boss.. Prince self-destructed. Its happened to lots of stars and its not the last time its going to happen. His associates piss me off all the time but I don't think most of them are evil or uncaring or unfeeling. I think they are selfish like he was and need to be called out on it sometimes.

precioux said:

I don't need more than 2 or 3 people to "prove byond a reasonable doubt" that Prince WAS neglected.


Did you SEE the way PP was left (pre ransacking)? That is the definition of NEGLECT. And that is only speaking of PP.

Let's take it a step farther. If Prince was neglecting himself in that manner, what's the old addage? "People only treat you the way you allow them to"?


He obviously allowed the neglect from others to continue as well.

You are continuing to point the finger and labeling my point of view as judgenmental. Agreeing with what a poster "speculated" on does not make me judgemental. The alignment of the speculation with my own opinion, coupled with recent revelations in the documents, only exposes me as being a realist. There is a difference.

The truth hurts more to those that DID care than to a judgemental jerk who cares not for any one else's well being but their own. I am of the former mindset and not the latter.

Maybe you need to practice being able to discern between a person who is judgemental and one who happens to be a realist, and doesn't cloud their perception with the all encompasing purple tinted glasses

purplerabbithole said:

Three who claim to know? MOrris asked in 1994 because Prince was acting weird. He had no proof for drug usage whatsoever. My point is that he asked a taboo question and was still employed to tell about it which contradicts the notion that all people were immediately fired for asking about drugs. NOthing I am saying is the irrational description you just gave. I am over analytical and wordy and a little angry about people's lack of compassion and judgmental generalizations. . And you are still missing my point. Two people with opinions does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that P died of neglect due to his mistreatment of others and that everyone knew the extent of his problem at all times and just didn't give a crap. Most people who quit prince did it becuase he worked them too hard and he himself worked too hard. It was money issues in the past; long unpredicable hours in the later years. BTW, challenging one's boss over his own personal life is never easy for anyone (regardless of the boss's personality) and especially if they are famous. So, let's remember that. But providing illegal drugs for your boss is immoral and wrong and plain stupid.

[Edited 5/4/18 20:19pm]

I think I was banned too. I couldn't post for 7 days.

PennyPurple said:

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

Are you MENTAL? In reply#555 I deliberately asked you if you had interaction with prizefight, to which you replied in #559 that you had and that prizefight apologized to you for making P look so bad, yet you are here stating that you were banned during the "prizefight era" . I'm gonna call you out right here. You and bodhi orgnoted and SHE apologized to you. She just sent me an orgnote verbatim with what you claim prizefight told you. You need to cut this pshyco shit out....and while you're at it, apologize to Bodhi. WTF is wrong with you?!

purplerabbithole said:

I think I was banned too. I couldn't post for 7 days.

PennyPurple said:

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

precioux said:

I just spit my coffee out...I remember that!!!!

PennyPurple said:

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

I was banned around the week of the investigative files. I misread her statement. I thought she was talking about recently. You can check in the old files -- I was talking to Prizefight the whole time. Also, if you look back on this thread, there is a big chunk of time I wasn't here.

precioux said:

Are you MENTAL? In reply#555 I deliberately asked you if you had interaction with prizefight, to which you replied in #559 that you had and that prizefight apologized to you for making P look so bad, yet you are here stating that you were banned during the "prizefight era" . I'm gonna call you out right here. You and bodhi orgnoted and SHE apologized to you. She just sent me an orgnote verbatim with what you claim prizefight told you. You need to cut this pshyco shit out....and while you're at it, apologize to Bodhi. WTF is wrong with you?!

purplerabbithole said:

I think I was banned too. I couldn't post for 7 days.

[Edited 5/4/18 21:40pm]

it was a suggestion in discernment. The "doesn't cloud their (meaing MY) perception with purple tinted glasses" is in reference to ME without comparison to YOU. Quit assuming!

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe you need to practice being able to discern between a person who is judgemental and one who happens to be a realist, and doesn't cloud their perception with the all encompasing purple tinted glasses

That line is judgemental and condensending. If I am coming off condensending, then I apologize. But I am not seeing it through purple tinted glasses. I just don't see these people as caricatures of hollywood excess and ambition. People have good and bad. They make mistakes. they fail. Sometimes they do the right thing and sometimes they do the wrong thing but their reasons are complicated. By the way, my house is a complete mess. I would hope if I died, people wouldn't assume that mess indicated anything other than a busy person. Prince was obviously a complicated man but I chose to believe that good stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always) and bad stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always). And that the grey area is where the reality lies. I don't think knee jerk reactions are helpful even though I admit I jump to them to at times. I am trying not to though. The reality is that Prince was a work obsessed man with pain issues, trust issues, too much power, and too little true self-esteem (sometimes Wendy rightfully alluded to). He was probably borderline autistic, delusional and insecure. But I also believe he was funny, warm, and kind. one of his engineers called him weird, wonderful, warm and cruel. Mayte said he was good, bad, wonderful and sad. He was a challenge, but I don't think the bad outweighed the good. I don't think people hated him to the extent of not caring. I really think they were powerless to help him, in denial, unsure how to broach the subject, angry (sure) but not angry enough to avoid helping him if he asked and sincerely wanted it. The reports were heartbreaking but the reality is that investigators aren't looking for good samaritan moments, they are looking for dirt. And dirt is always around in life. . But as far as I could tell, Kirk seemed to want him to live. His problem was that he was trying to balance what Prince (and his brand) wanted with what Prince as a human being needed. But you can't do both. You got to put what he needs above what he wants. But this is hard to do when your boss believes wholeheartedly in his privacy, his dignity, his musical reason for being and he is in pain--and he is your boss.. Prince self-destructed. Its happened to lots of stars and its not the last time its going to happen. His associates piss me off all the time but I don't think most of them are evil or uncaring or unfeeling. I think they are selfish like he was and need to be called out on it sometimes.

purplerabbithole said:

I think I was banned too. I couldn't post for 7 days.

PennyPurple said:

Hey ya'll I'm feeling kinda left out. I never got to message Prizefight because I was banned that week.

Yes, I think we were banned together. Sorry that was fortune&serendipty that I was banned with. We 'ganged' up Laura.

[Edited 5/4/18 21:48pm]

I guess we are playing semantics... Maybe you weren't talking directly about me, but you SEEMED TO BE suggesting that if people don't take a hardline view of this stuff, they are wearing purple tinted glasses. I don't take a hardline view so I assumed therefore I was in that category of purple-tinted glass wearers. Anyhow I hope you read the rest of what I had to say. You have to understand my feelings are very complicated about this stuff and I was unable to post on this thread until the 29th. A full week of not being able to say a thing about the investigation--I am cramming a lot of thoughts in,.

precioux said:

it was a suggestion in discernment. The "doesn't cloud their (meaing MY) perception with purple tinted glasses" is in reference to ME without comparison to YOU. Quit assuming!

purplerabbithole said:

That line is judgemental and condensending. If I am coming off condensending, then I apologize. But I am not seeing it through purple tinted glasses. I just don't see these people as caricatures of hollywood excess and ambition. People have good and bad. They make mistakes. they fail. Sometimes they do the right thing and sometimes they do the wrong thing but their reasons are complicated. By the way, my house is a complete mess. I would hope if I died, people wouldn't assume that mess indicated anything other than a busy person. Prince was obviously a complicated man but I chose to believe that good stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always) and bad stories about him are mostly the truth (but not always). And that the grey area is where the reality lies. I don't think knee jerk reactions are helpful even though I admit I jump to them to at times. I am trying not to though. The reality is that Prince was a work obsessed man with pain issues, trust issues, too much power, and too little true self-esteem (sometimes Wendy rightfully alluded to). He was probably borderline autistic, delusional and insecure. But I also believe he was funny, warm, and kind. one of his engineers called him weird, wonderful, warm and cruel. Mayte said he was good, bad, wonderful and sad. He was a challenge, but I don't think the bad outweighed the good. I don't think people hated him to the extent of not caring. I really think they were powerless to help him, in denial, unsure how to broach the subject, angry (sure) but not angry enough to avoid helping him if he asked and sincerely wanted it. The reports were heartbreaking but the reality is that investigators aren't looking for good samaritan moments, they are looking for dirt. And dirt is always around in life. . But as far as I could tell, Kirk seemed to want him to live. His problem was that he was trying to balance what Prince (and his brand) wanted with what Prince as a human being needed. But you can't do both. You got to put what he needs above what he wants. But this is hard to do when your boss believes wholeheartedly in his privacy, his dignity, his musical reason for being and he is in pain--and he is your boss.. Prince self-destructed. Its happened to lots of stars and its not the last time its going to happen. His associates piss me off all the time but I don't think most of them are evil or uncaring or unfeeling. I think they are selfish like he was and need to be called out on it sometimes.

Yes, I did read your entire post. I can apologize for being harsh as well, we are all very passionate about Prince and I get that. Imma cut you some slack

I can not "repost" here, but please do me a favor. Go and read from part #7, page 16, reply#470. You will realize that just about everything you just said, prizefight said as well. She even said exactly what you did...that Pince was good and bad, but don't shut out his light because of the dark. He just gave his light to the wrong people sometimes. Please read it, you will see that just because some people come across as hard asses, doen't mean their POV is "hardlined".

Peace

purplerabbithole said:

I guess we are playing semantics... Maybe you weren't talking directly about me, but you SEEMED TO BE suggesting that if people don't take a hardline view of this stuff, they are wearing purple tinted glasses. I don't take a hardline view so I assumed therefore I was in that category of purple-tinted glass wearers. Anyhow I hope you read the rest of what I had to say. You have to understand my feelings are very complicated about this stuff and I was unable to post on this thread until the 29th. A full week of not being able to say a thing about the investigation--I am cramming a lot of thoughts in,.

precioux said:

it was a suggestion in discernment. The "doesn't cloud their (meaing MY) perception with purple tinted glasses" is in reference to ME without comparison to YOU. Quit assuming!

I was bothered by her implication that maybe someone intentionally gave him the fentanyl without him knowing it. I just don't want to assume he was that hated. But she did clarify to me privately as well that there was a good side to him and like I said, one or two people can't make a clear discernment (used your word LOL) about the degree in which poor behavior on PRince's part led to murder or neglect when there are many factors that could lead to his sad state at the end of his life (many of them done to himself by himself) . To be honest, alot of stars treat people badly, most are not murdered (and many of them don't have the good sides I think Prince had.) Prince's bad behavior pales in comparison to Cosby, OJ, Trump, James BRown's, Ike Turners etc. No one murdered those folks.

precioux said:

Yes, I did read your entire post. I can apologize for being harsh as well, we are all very passionate about Prince and I get that. Imma cut you some slack

I can not "repost" here, but please do me a favor. Go and read from part #7, page 16, reply#470. You will realize that just about everything you just said, prizefight said as well. She even said exactly what you did...that Pince was good and bad, but don't shut out his light because of the dark. He just gave his light to the wrong people sometimes. Please read it, you will see that just because some people come across as hard asses, doen't mean their POV is "hardlined".

Peace

purplerabbithole said:

I guess we are playing semantics... Maybe you weren't talking directly about me, but you SEEMED TO BE suggesting that if people don't take a hardline view of this stuff, they are wearing purple tinted glasses. I don't take a hardline view so I assumed therefore I was in that category of purple-tinted glass wearers. Anyhow I hope you read the rest of what I had to say. You have to understand my feelings are very complicated about this stuff and I was unable to post on this thread until the 29th. A full week of not being able to say a thing about the investigation--I am cramming a lot of thoughts in,.

[Edited 5/4/18 22:20pm]

fortuneandserendipity said:

MMJas said:

I also believe he was an experienced opioid taker. Have you watched Prince at Montreaux in 2013, i think? As soon as I saw his eyes I knew.
I believe that many years of that took its toll, especially from 2014 onwards, with him wearing loose clothing in order to (it now seems) disguise wearing wrist and hip braces, going natural hair wise, obsessing over destiled water and pineal gland detox and overall body cleansing, the physical changes that seemed to have occured, as in constipation (issues since 2015), the frailty, stomach and mouth issues, seeing holistic doctors, etc.

Obsessing over distilled water seems odd. First, it's devoid of essential minerals. Second, spring water minimally processed and contained in glass provide the best medium. I should know. I'm a doctor. And as for pineal gland detox, Prince must have been tripping. Ya just don't detox the 'pineal gland'. That's not how detoxes work. The pineal gland is responsible for melatonin production. Not much else. So if you want to help the pineal gland - and your sleep - you might want to ditch the meds. SSRIs, for instance, are definitely an issue as they inhibit the body's natural serotonin, as well as melatonin production. (Many psychotropic/psychoactive substances inhibit sleep). On the flip side, lithium is important - for everyone, something Prince probably wouldn't have known. Best to obtain it through 'healthy' food, actually, as supplementing can be an issue. The jury's still out on lithium orotate, and that's the safest form. Trust me on this. I am........ well you know what I'm gonna say next.

Overall, body cleansing is good and it's a shame that most doctors are ignorant on the subject. Trust me.

There's also another school of thought that detoxing is a load of nonsense and does nothing of any value. Just eat healthily and exersize moderately. Extremes of anything are not good for anyone. Trust me, I am a competatnt user of Google.

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why does everyone look to Kirk to blame and not look at Meron or Phaedra?

Is it because they are women and you assume only a man would be the source of the illegal fentanyl?

Remember Kirk willingly gave a statement to the police until the Detective was interrupted during Kirk's interview.

Meron fled back to her hotel room and never gave a statement other than to state she felt she couldnt because of the NDA and then immediately hired counsel.

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I place blame on all of them, not just Kirk. From reading the investigation reports, they were all doing something shady. Why would someone be using a private text app if they have nothing to hide?

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Kirk calls the kitchen and Prince's bedroom at 8AM? He knows Prince is not up at that hour!

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If Prince was in a bad way, why did Kirk, Phaedra and Meron leave him all alone??!! Anyone with common sense in their heads would never do that!!

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Also, Gaither (P's bodyguard) stated that Prince never used the elevator....he always took the stairs!!

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Why did Meron have over 3K in cash in her purse?

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Why was Phaedra hacking computers?

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Why would Vans and Phaedra set up charities that they know did not have the proper clearances?

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Who's getting Prince's royalties??

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It just goes on and on and on........all these people are shady!!

Huh? A private text app? They were using Whatsapp. Millions of people use it to communicate. I use it all the time. It has many advantages over text messaging. a) you can send pictures. b) you can create groups in order to have group chats or work related discussions. c) It relies on a data connection and does not use up any "talk time" from your mobile carrier. d) It is well encrypted so no one can hack into your chats, spy on you or intercept anything you say to someone else - privacy.

Lets leave the "private text app" to the side. It is not an issue that needs looking at.

[Edited 5/5/18 0:15am]

tmo1965 said:

MMJas said:

Most likely because it was a well known secret amongst them. Who's to say Wendy and Lisa didn't give him hassle over it? The same goes for Sheila E, Manuela, probably not Mayte cause she was too young and easy to dupe, and all associates who were actually close to him at one time or another? For all we known they might have done and might have gotten tired of talking to a brick wall or getting the nasty side of Prince because of it.

Remember, even Lenny Kravitz said in a interview shortly after Prince died (like a couple of days later, if I recall correctly) that he had an idea of what might have happened, at a time when everyone was speculating still and there were no news about Fentanyl. He knew. So obviously all those close associates knew too. Manuela knew and according to her, Larry Graham also knew. The list is endless, but they are all keeping a closed mouth. Whereas before I thought they were respecting his privacy, I now believe they just don't want to look bad for knowing all along and basically doing nothing about it.

[Edited 5/4/18 15:41pm]

What could they have done, if they have tried to get him to talk to him and he refused to get help? One of the key elements of addictiion is denial and until the addict acknowledges that they have a problem and gets help, what can anyone else do?

If you read back, you'll see I stated that perhaps they did confront him about it, give him hassle and then eventually gave up cause it was like talking to a brick wall. And after that comes either a)do whatever you wanna do, it's your helth, not mine or b) I'm not gonna stand around and watch you do this.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

We don't know which one lied or why they were lying. As for LG's statement to Manuela, it was shitty and I am inclined to dislike the man. But I would like to hear his justification. Folks can be in denial and complicated. For all we know, LG partook in the same pain relief methods.

The documents show us they are liars. There is no justification they are flat out liars and fakes.

Yes, the documents show us that many of them are lying. LG's actions are very strange to me. If Manuela is being truthful (at this stage I take everything coming from any of them with a grain of salt), then LG was more concerned with himself staying relevant and confortable than with his spiritual brother. If that indeed is the case, I'm disgusted by his actions, because Prince seemed to look up to him like a father and really took care of him.

Then avoiding the Police at his doorstep, pretending he was not who he was and telling the Police he did not discuss Prince health with him after the plane incident. What? Your spiritual brother and you say nothing? The man you basically gave you work and housed you? Yeah, right.
Also, let's not forget Chaka. Weren't they all close friends? And what did Chaka do right after Prince died? She went into rehab for a Fentanyl addiction problem. Ok...

MMJas said:

disch said:

He refused to a blood or urine test in Moline, so he left without knowing what exactly caused the emergency (other than that opioids were involved). From what he apparently said there, he thought that the the problem was the combo of pills he took and/or the Narcan shots he got.

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If he'd been tested and fentanyl was found, that would've tipped him off that he had ingested something he most likely didn't intend to (because legit Vicodin, like Percocet, doesn't contain fentanyl).

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He might have thought he WAS being extra-careful a week later. Maybe he had taken like 2 Percs and 2 "Vicodins" in Moline, and so in PP he took just 1 "Vicodin" -- but that was enough. Everything we know now about the pills -- that they were counterfeit and many contained a huge amount of fentanyl -- he probably had no idea.

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He was probably a pretty experienced opioid-taker and had taken plenty of percs, vicodins etc in his life without major problem (at least no OD-level). He might have been in serious denial/ignorance about what had gone down in moline and why.

[Edited 5/3/18 12:21pm]

I also believe he was an experienced opioid taker. Have you watched Prince at Montreaux in 2013, i think? As soon as I saw his eyes I knew.
I believe that many years of that took its toll, especially from 2014 onwards, with him wearing loose clothing in order to (it now seems) disguise wearing wrist and hip braces, going natural hair wise, obsessing over destiled water and pineal gland detox and overall body cleansing, the physical changes that seemed to have occured, as in constipation (issues since 2015), the frailty, stomach and mouth issues, seeing holistic doctors, etc.

As much as I hate to admit it, I think you guys are right. There's something that always kinda bugged me about the Detroit '15 show. It sounds great, but watching there was something muted about his presence, a kind of off-energy. At the time I was thinking, well, Prince is just finally getting old, but in hindsight it appears a bit more than that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

There was no "miising it the first time".....you had the thread locked with your constant reporting of pf. You make have ironed out your issues afterwards, but that simple fact remains, so cut the shit.

Are you contradicting yourself yet again? You have all of pf's orgnotes, yet debunk HER here as not credible. If SHE's so full of shit, why hold on to the orgnotes for safekeeping?

To me, the most shattering and important truths prizefight imparted about Prince were that 1) everyone knew and 2) he died of neglect in part because 3) the ill manner in which he treated many people over decades made many disinclined to get in his face about his drug use and risk their careers (the livelihood they needed to provide for their families), banishment from the circle of influence he still inhabited as a recognized industry genius and the monumental task of dragging him toward sobriety would have been demeaning, demoralizing, exhausting and futile bc he was Prince...he always did things his way, he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and he always believed he had an inside channel to God.....so where was his 'spiritual brother' as he was slowly dying???Was anyone in Kingdom Hall aware that he was wasting away and his pupils were pinned and his eyes were glazed? It isn't just his 'associates' who dropped the ball...

[Edited 5/4/18 18:29pm]

This. So very true. People need to read this again, slowly, and really assimilate it. Imo, everyone knew and he died of neglect exactly for those reasons. People were afraid of him. With Prince, it was either his way or the highway. He was brilliant, a genius, and he employed many people, so he could act like that. Some associates were the first to state that if you went against him, he would drop you. He surrounded himself with new people all the time. That allowed him to keep things in control. Prince needed that control. Throughout his life, there are numerous examples of things being done his way regardless.
So it is my opinion that Prince died of neglect, ultimately by his own doing. This does not mean people wanted him dead, that's absurd. But they could have done something or set things into motion for a change. Even if that implied loosing your job or your confortable position within his inner circle. From 2014 it started to show on his body, for crying out loud. He could no longer eat properly. He was thinner than I've ever seen him. He was actually cancelling shows.

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Jennifer Matesa, a former addict who blogs about sobriety, said that she could tell from photos of Prince over the years that he was using. She got a ton of flak from that, but her comments after his death were spot on. I agree with Bodhi's comments. I think everyone knew and they didn't stop it because they were worried about losing their paychecks. That doesn't account for his professional contacts - other celebrities - but I think a lot of them knew, too. Lenny Kravitz being one of them.

1Sasha said:

Jennifer Matesa, a former addict who blogs about sobriety, said that she could tell from photos of Prince over the years that he was using. She got a ton of flak from that, but her comments after his death were spot on. I agree with Bodhi's comments. I think everyone knew and they didn't stop it because they were worried about losing their paychecks. That doesn't account for his professional contacts - other celebrities - but I think a lot of them knew, too. Lenny Kravitz being one of them.

Yes, Jennifer Matesa, actually wrote (I paraphrase here but it's still on the web) that she examined pictures of Prince GOING BACK DECADES in low light where the pupils of his eyes were pinned, a sure sign of opiods in the body. She wrote that his addiction was apparent to every opoid user and that the denial of his fans and 'friends' and 'associaes' contributed to his early death. Does anyone want to dispute that statement? Bring it on, I'm well rested this a.m.

I see why the family is probably suing the Moline hospital and Doc. They failed to test if the pill given to them from the Bayer bottle was counterfeit. Instead, they just looked at the number imprinted. Also, more investigation should have done into that pharmacist from NY that called Paisley like 22 times on the 21st. To just accept he was just a "fan" was flimsy. Hello??? he could be your link ...

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

1Sasha said:

Jennifer Matesa, a former addict who blogs about sobriety, said that she could tell from photos of Prince over the years that he was using. She got a ton of flak from that, but her comments after his death were spot on. I agree with Bodhi's comments. I think everyone knew and they didn't stop it because they were worried about losing their paychecks. That doesn't account for his professional contacts - other celebrities - but I think a lot of them knew, too. Lenny Kravitz being one of them.

Yes, Jennifer Matesa, actually wrote (I paraphrase here but it's still on the web) that she examined pictures of Prince GOING BACK DECADES in low light where the pupils of his eyes were pinned, a sure sign of opiods in the body. She wrote that his addiction was apparent to every opoid user and that the denial of his fans and 'friends' and 'associaes' contributed to his early death. Does anyone want to dispute that statement? Bring it on, I'm well rested this a.m.

I agree about the comments from Jennifer Matesa’s article. In fact, when I initially read this in 2016, I went back and looked at various images and I could make the same connection about drug use. I also made the same connection when I looked at his first MTV interview that dates back to 1985.

I think that Prince was involved with drugs for several decades. I surmise he “dabbled” with drugs throughout his career, even before he suffered whatever injuries that resulted in opioid abuse. Therefore, what that attorney M. Padden told LE about Prince’s drug use, it doesn’t seem farfetched and may very well have been based in reality.

Prizedfight talks about only knowing two people who confronted him about drug abuse and they were dismissed. We don't know how they were confronting Prince. Maybe they were more forceful than others. But perhaps others (who stayed employed) did say something to him in more discrete ways--it just didn't do any good.

Okay, everyone knew he had a problem, but unless you see solid proof that he is popping pills right in front of you all one can really say is "Are you okay?" . We have no idea if some people didn't confront him a few times and he just said "I am fine"..I know PRince was a stubborn man and did fire folks but we shouldn't assume that happened in all cases. Like I said earlier, MOrris Hayes in 1994, after Prince was acting odd and he had heard some rumors, approached him to talk to him privately about whether he had a drug problem. Prince said no and that he was stressed out and needed a vacation since he had never really had one. the next week, he took a vacation. Morris stayed employed with Prince for 20 something years. we don't know if people didn't say something to Prince and he just said "Its my life. Take it or leave it" or just denied it. It is possible Morris's argument with P in 2012 that led to Morris quitting (but occassionally checking in on P) was due to an argument over drugs (although Morris may have softened it in interviews by saying P's paranoia was the cause of the argument.) Elisa implied in her facebook post that they nursed Prince through an incident in 2010 (sounds like his withdrawal from Percocet after his surgery.) He seemed to have doctors after that. Whether one thinks that means his doctors were glorified drug dealers, that is more complicated. He had legit pain issues so it is hard to argue with pain relief methods by doctors if you just work for Prince. Also, Prince functioned pretty well most of the time up until the last year. So I think he probably went on and off the stuff and used doctors. in 2014 and on, I think he was being cut off by doctors, but didn't want to quit so decided to throw caution to the wind (thus the reason he told his sister he was dying.). It wasn't until 2015, that prince started downsizing his staff probably to avoid confrontation. After all, its not like people were even given a chance to confront him at that point. Most of the time PRince was in control of his life. So I can understand staff thinking he can handle it most of the time. the last 6 months was different. Scottie Baldwin's quitting the P and M tour wasn't just artistic disputes. He stated that it wasn't fun for him anymore but that it wasn't Prince's fault that he was acting eratically and at least he was one of the people who said "no". (a subtle hint that he quit because he didn't want to be around Prince's drug problem.)

in other words, people quit to avoid the long hours and possibly also enabling his drug problem at times too..All of the old timers came in and out of his life..sometimes because Prince needed and wanted a new artistic direction, but sometimes I think they bailed to avoid the long hours and P's drug problem. Blackwell was in and out for years. Morris was in and out for years. Even Kirk was in and out. Sometimes they were let go and rehired. Sometimes they quit and then asked to come back. I imagine the "confrontation"s were always done in subtle ways with the long time employees however.. That sit down dinner with Kirk and LG probably beat around the bush but I think that everyone knew why they were there (including Prince.) elisa's tweet to Prince about eating better and getting rest (after the Molene incident) might have been a subtle statement to prince that he should take a break in order to avoid needing pills for the pain of performance.

MMJas said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

To me, the most shattering and important truths prizefight imparted about Prince were that 1) everyone knew and 2) he died of neglect in part because 3) the ill manner in which he treated many people over decades made many disinclined to get in his face about his drug use and risk their careers (the livelihood they needed to provide for their families), banishment from the circle of influence he still inhabited as a recognized industry genius and the monumental task of dragging him toward sobriety would have been demeaning, demoralizing, exhausting and futile bc he was Prince...he always did things his way, he always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and he always believed he had an inside channel to God.....so where was his 'spiritual brother' as he was slowly dying???Was anyone in Kingdom Hall aware that he was wasting away and his pupils were pinned and his eyes were glazed? It isn't just his 'associates' who dropped the ball...

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This. So very true. People need to read this again, slowly, and really assimilate it. Imo, everyone knew and he died of neglect exactly for those reasons. People were afraid of him. With Prince, it was either his way or the highway. He was brilliant, a genius, and he employed many people, so he could act like that. Some associates were the first to state that if you went against him, he would drop you. He surrounded himself with new people all the time. That allowed him to keep things in control. Prince needed that control. Throughout his life, there are numerous examples of things being done his way regardless.
So it is my opinion that Prince died of neglect, ultimately by his own doing. This does not mean people wanted him dead, that's absurd. But they could have done something or set things into motion for a change. Even if that implied loosing your job or your confortable position within his inner circle. From 2014 it started to show on his body, for crying out loud. He could no longer eat properly. He was thinner than I've ever seen him. He was actually cancelling shows.

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I don't think it was cocaine. I think that was Dwayne's problem. But maybe that long-term drug dealer who claims that P was on fentanyl for years to combat stage fright and social anxiety is telling the truth. (manuela wouldn't see the stage fright because Prince had long since conquered it.) Although I am not sure how one can live on that stuff for 30 years. As for his pupils, an opiod user might know but the rest might not know entirely what was up with him especially if they were new to the scene.. Many people thought was mysterious and eccentric (and he probably was on the autism spectrum). Maybe that behavior was masking his problem a little too effectively in the early days and when you first met him. maybe wearing sunglasses in interviews wasn't just to look cool.

leec1 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, Jennifer Matesa, actually wrote (I paraphrase here but it's still on the web) that she examined pictures of Prince GOING BACK DECADES in low light where the pupils of his eyes were pinned, a sure sign of opiods in the body. She wrote that his addiction was apparent to every opoid user and that the denial of his fans and 'friends' and 'associaes' contributed to his early death. Does anyone want to dispute that statement? Bring it on, I'm well rested this a.m.

I agree about the comments from Jennifer Matesa’s article. In fact, when I initially read this in 2016, I went back and looked at various images and I could make the same connection about drug use. I also made the same connection when I looked at his first MTV interview that dates back to 1985.

I think that Prince was involved with drugs for several decades. I surmise he “dabbled” with drugs throughout his career, even before he suffered whatever injuries that resulted in opioid abuse. Therefore, what that attorney M. Padden told LE about Prince’s drug use, it doesn’t seem farfetched and may very well have been based in reality.

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purplerabbithole said:

I don't think it was cocaine. I think that was Dwayne's problem. But maybe that long-term drug dealer who claims that P was on fentanyl for years to combat stage fright and social anxiety is telling the truth. (manuela wouldn't see the stage fright because Prince had long since conquered it.) Although I am not sure how one can live on that stuff for 30 years. As for his pupils, an opiod user might know but the rest might not know entirely what was up with him especially if they were new to the scene.. Many people thought was mysterious and eccentric (and he probably was on the autism spectrum). Maybe that behavior was masking his problem a little too effectively in the early days and when you first met him. maybe wearing sunglasses in interviews wasn't just to look cool.

leec1 said:

I agree about the comments from Jennifer Matesa’s article. In fact, when I initially read this in 2016, I went back and looked at various images and I could make the same connection about drug use. I also made the same connection when I looked at his first MTV interview that dates back to 1985.

I think that Prince was involved with drugs for several decades. I surmise he “dabbled” with drugs throughout his career, even before he suffered whatever injuries that resulted in opioid abuse. Therefore, what that attorney M. Padden told LE about Prince’s drug use, it doesn’t seem farfetched and may very well have been based in reality.

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When I was younger, I spent a lot of time with addicts: some used heroin, others used cocaine, etc. Because of this fact, I have always been able to spot a drug user regardless if they admitted it or hid this.

Unfortunately, the majority of the addicts I knew are no longer alive as many refused help or relapsed after rehab….. Prince had a wonderful music career, but, sadly his personal life was very tragic.

I can’t comment on autism since I have no frame of reference.

I have experience with autistic people of varying degrees. Lower end of the spectrum (milder autism) has behaviors that remind me of Prince's. Prince was a tough nut to crack for many reasons. I dont attribute it all to drugs.

leec1 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I don't think it was cocaine. I think that was Dwayne's problem. But maybe that long-term drug dealer who claims that P was on fentanyl for years to combat stage fright and social anxiety is telling the truth. (manuela wouldn't see the stage fright because Prince had long since conquered it.) Although I am not sure how one can live on that stuff for 30 years. As for his pupils, an opiod user might know but the rest might not know entirely what was up with him especially if they were new to the scene.. Many people thought was mysterious and eccentric (and he probably was on the autism spectrum). Maybe that behavior was masking his problem a little too effectively in the early days and when you first met him. maybe wearing sunglasses in interviews wasn't just to look cool.

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When I was younger, I spent a lot of time with addicts: some used heroin, others used cocaine, etc. Because of this fact, I have always been able to spot a drug user regardless if they admitted it or hid this.

Unfortunately, the majority of the addicts I knew are no longer alive as many refused help or relapsed after rehab….. Prince had a wonderful music career, but, sadly his personal life was very tragic.

I can’t comment on autism since I have no frame of reference.

Strawberrylova123 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince's associates are more concerned with how much money they are going to make auctioning-off his personal belongings, and how much money they will rake-in when they publish their books, and how much money they will acquire from selling Prince's merchandise, and how much they will cash-in at all of the Prince tribute concerts...........they put more effort and energy into all that bullshit then trying to find out what happened to Prince in his final days and who da fuq gave him those pills that killed him!!

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They're all disgusting people and they should be ashamed!! Prince did not deserve this!!

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The Man did so much for those people, and this is how they repay him??!!

On the flip side prince has had a history of not treating his associates, girlfriends, ex wives the best, they probably got tired of his drug addiction and his treatment towards them to the point that they don't really pitty him or sympathize with his situation. From what i gathered, it seems that mani was tired of the drug addiction during their marriage and said addios! It seems very harsh but I've personally seen people get tired of other's towards the point of not caring about their situation [Edited 5/4/18 12:22pm]

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........Well, they obviously cared enough about his money.